Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on July 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Barack Obama has yet to have to prove that he’s a citizen. All he has to do is show a birth certificate. He has yet to have to prove he’s a citizen.”
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And for someone who was naturalized or held other citizenships (who would not be eligible for the Presidency) there would be many other documents required to establish their whole chain of national status up to the present.
progressoverpeace on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM
If witnessing unresolvable issues is your thing Limerick, then Allahpundit’s is your go to man for tonight.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM
I love Lucy: Episode 127: The Tour (5/30/1955)
Thank you so much for that memory, Limerick. And the laughter.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM
To the best of my knowledge the only thing Obama has allowed to see the light of day is a xeroxed Certification, not a Certificate, and that is to an actual Long Form BC about as an announcement in the paper that someones son or daughter has graduated from Medical School is to an actual Medical Diploma. I don’t know how many times, in how many ways, that has to be said.
Joe Bloggs on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Screw it. I’m going to bed.
MadCon didn’t answer my question.
Lox is making fun of me.
And no Lady.
You folks have a good night.
I must work in the morning.
While I still have work.
Lanceman on July 27, 2009 at 12:35 AM
You missed the central point of comment. This is an unresovlable issue for Hot Air commentaters.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Has anyone ever heard someone other than the state of Hawaii official admit that they have seen the original Certificate of Birth (long form) of the one we call the ONE™? Of course not. No one has. And the state of Hawaii official just says she’s seen the document, leaving many questions.
Just release the document. If it wasn’t for the Rather documents, I probably wouldn’t even give this much thought.
If the sleazy left attempted a forgery with the TANG docs, they sure as hell would try with O’s birth records. And remember, Obama wasn’t even involved with the TANG docs, but now we have a President and an administration willing to squat to really, really low levels, so of course they would resort to another forgery.
The asshole just has to produce all his records.
PC14 on July 27, 2009 at 12:36 AM
“Oleta on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 AM”
er, per wiki [shaddup] they were married on 2/2/61 in Maui and stanley ann filed for divorce on Jan. ’64 in Honolulu …
/jus’ sayin’
Buckaroo on July 27, 2009 at 12:37 AM
C’mon Ann, you’re slipping. You mention the “3 remaining Klan members” without bringing up Democrat Senator Byrd. I’m disappointed.
clement on July 27, 2009 at 12:37 AM
That is an affirmative.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Nailed it. +1
Also, I wasn’t really interested in Obama’s fake citizenship until Major Cook had his deployment orders revoked rather than being court marshaled. When I read that, I sat up in my seat and said “What?! Dude! Obama is an Outlander!” Apparently, so did a few other high-ranking military officers, including a retired 2-star general.
TMK on July 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM
I love when there’s a “racial” issue KP gets kicked to the curb in favor of MLH.
I_C on July 27, 2009 at 12:40 AM
I only tease the posters I like. I’ll try to stop liking you.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM
And so indeed, for depending on which part of the apartment complex is seen, each man and each woman was partly right, though all were in the wrong.
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Court don’t require that. They will accept alternative form of evidence under some circumstances.
For example, if you lose or destroy your will and you die, courts will accept alternative form of evidence of the content of your will (below is an example)
http://www.wa-probate.com/Instructions/Opening/Lost-Will.htm#Summary
If a document (like a cert of live birth) is admissible to show that one is a citizen, courts will admit that as evidence of that.
(See the Hearsay exception for public records : http://federalevidence.com/blog/2008/october/computer-records-admitted-under-public-records-hearsay-exception)
mycowardice on July 27, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Well I did ignore most of that stuff. I probably wasn’t clear about the attention they got. As you watch the coverage of the “birthers” they are portrayed as a small vocal group who actually represent what most Republican think and will ultimately be the downfall of the party. I don’t think Truthers were portrayed as a representative voice of Democrats by media. I do wonder if those Truther movies and publications made enough money so that those folks won’t have to get real jobs now.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 12:42 AM
It’s just a friggin’ birth certificate. You act as if it’s asking for someone to produce the Holy Grail. It’s sitting on record in Hawaii, ready to mail as soon as $12 is paid and the person okays it. Get a grip, man. Your argument is ridiculous.
progressoverpeace on July 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM
“I do wonder if those Truther movies and publications made enough money so that those folks won’t have to get real jobs now.”
i’m guessing no …
:-)
Buckaroo on July 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Sen. Byrd is against Cap & Trade and told Pres. Obama that the Czars aren’t constitutional, Republican’s are loving him right now. Sen. Byrd’s former membership is only relevant in a discussion of double standards.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 12:47 AM
“It’s sitting on record in Hawaii, UNDER LOCK AND KEY BY DIRECT ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR ready to mail as soon as $12 is paid and the person [ironically, zero himself] okays it. ”
FIFY
Buckaroo on July 27, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Oh come on AP, Limbaugh is obviously making a joke. I.e. you can be president with a CLB but to pay taxes you get put through the wringer.
Sheesh. We know you hate the Maha, but painting him as a Birther is low, even for you.
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaît point.
[The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know.]
— Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Mirth is God’s medicine. Everybody ought to bathe in it.
— Henry Ward Beecher (1813-1887)
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM
“Aquateen Hungerforce on July 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM”
rush has mentioned the b.c. issue no less than three times on the air recently — prepare to have yer lil’ world turned upside down …
:-)
Buckaroo on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM
I like how all the women are mad that I generalized women …. but are silent on the statements “women are smarter than men”
Yes I made a generalized statement, that was in contrast to another generalized statement, the difference is one is accepted because of popular culture. The other is never to be spoken of or face the wrath of women.
To say all women are stupid is not right. To say all men are stupid is not right. To say women are any smarter than men, or men are any smarter than women is not right… but do not try and get all high and mighty with me when i point out many females use emotions and ideals in forming their opinions.
Case in point -when ever you talk about abortion, women always jump to the most rarest and worst case scenario “what if she was raped, she shouldn’t have a mans baby who raped her!” As if the act of rape, makes the abortion less murder…. its either wrong 100% of the time or its acceptable 100% of the time.
And in my experiences, on gun control most women think if everybody had guns people would be shot over simple disagreements or xbox games.
IMHO men are the superior sex in every way possible
Donut on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Buckaroo on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 AMLol. I musta missed the part where he said Obama wasn’t born in America. My lil’ world will tumble and fall….
:P
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 27, 2009 at 12:55 AM
meant to quote, sorry.
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 27, 2009 at 12:55 AM
The hypocritical thing is that the biggest anti-birther people are the ones who think Trig Palin is Bristol’s son.
Speedwagon82 on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 AM
You’ll never move out of your mother’s basement with an attitude like that.
HornetSting on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Yes, yes, your last comment generated three or four highly indignant answers. You created quite the frenzy here on HotAir. We are all waiting with breathless anticipation for your next insightful remarks. You should request the opportunity to write for the Green Room.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:01 AM
If GW was still in office, perhaps, but any wealth earned from 75-1 B.O. (Before Obama) will be subject to massive Oflation and Capntaxation in A.S. 0-4 (Anno Stultī, “Year of Our Fool”).
TMK on July 27, 2009 at 1:01 AM
“Think” may be a stretch.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM
At least one woman couldn’t give a rip.
baldilocks on July 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM
Two.
baldilocks on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 AM
Oh, that’s right, I forgot making money is bad.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 AM
I stand corrected and of the two that were made both of us should have known better.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:04 AM
Not necessarily. Lots of women like bad boys. Or so I am told.
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 1:05 AM
Dear Hot Air readers. Please send all the money you make to my PO Box. I’ll do anything to relieve you of your guilt. Your welcome.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:05 AM
The big problem with the birth certificate movement is that there may not be an adequate remedy. If the election had yet to occur, the solution would be simple: throw his name off the ballot and tell the DNC to put up someone else.
Assume that Obama is not a citizen. (Yes, big assumption, but bear with me.) Assume that this information comes out in court. Further assume that this would go to the Supreme Court. What remedy is there? After Bush v. Gore in 2000, which merely stopped an unlawful recount, would the Court dare step in and throw Obama out of office?
Would the Senate – up 60 Democrats to 40 Republicans – do their job, which would be to impeach Obama? If there were a GOP majority with a backbone, the birth certificate issue would be the first of many “high crimes and misdemeanours” to carry Barack into impeachment hearings. We don’t have that, though, so I can’t help but wonder… what remedy do these people seek?
Frankly, there is only one rational explanation for this: forcing Obama to do what each and every one of us have to do before becoming employed: show lawful identification. As someone who is fed up with the elitism, I would be thrilled with such a result.
Roxeanne de Luca on July 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM
The Vast Left Wing Conspirators,are in a conspiracy with
the Vast Right Wing Conspirators,and the ‘birth certificate’
(wink-wink)has been locked tightly in Hopey/Changeys Temple
of Perpetual Hope and NeverEnding Change,under guard,by the
trusted ‘Birth Certiicate Czar’for the sole reason of taunt
ing and infighting by certain members on the RIGHT!(Snark).
canopfor on July 27, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Earning money is just another sign of your ample racism and willingness to perpetuate an unfair work/reward system that by its very nature punishes those who exercise their constitutional right to refuse work.
TMK on July 27, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Think how this all could have been avoided if you just listened to men.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM
All of us attain the greatest success and happiness possible in this life whenever we use our native capacities to their fullest extent. … And every life must be chalked up at least a partial failure when it does not succeed in reaching its inherent destiny.
- Smiley Blanton
_______________________________________________________
Practice easing your way along. Don’t get het up or in a dither. Do your best; take it as it comes. You can handle anything if you think you can. Just keep your cool and your sense of humor.
- Smiley Blanton
The botttom one is actually for Henry Gates jr., so the next time he meets a law enforcement officer he won’t act so confrontational. A see a courtesy training class in his future.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 AM
I see that you’re still desperately grasping at that straw.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Donut… how do I put this. As a woman, I get upset when men, who will never get pregnant with their rapist’s baby, make such heartless statements.
While I certainly appreciate men’s passion for the pro-life cause, and firmly believe that they have a lot to offer the movement, making policy isn’t one of those things.
As a practical matter, an abortion ban with no exception for rape cannot be passed in any state in this country, even though an abortion ban that would allow for a rape exception (in addition to an exception for an abortion in order to save the mother’s life or to avoid a serious, debilitating threat to her health) would pass in a majority of states and be supported by a majority of Americans.
Life, health, and rape account for a mere 7% of abortions. Let’s focus on the 93% of abortions that about 60% of Americans disagree with and would not mind banning.
Never forget that Roe came about because “Roe” lied and said that she had been raped, but still could not get an abortion under Texas law. That is the background for the constitutional right that prevents good pro-life legislation almost four decades later.
Roxeanne de Luca on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 AM
This isn’t a complicated issue but Barack Obama and handlers have made it into one by devoting such time, huge amount of money and resources to avoid simply honoring very basic requests by a concerned public.
It’s like with Gates responding as he did when asked by a member of law enforcement to provide his identification and to, literally, just comply reasonably with the officer’s questions — understandable to EVERYONE I know of who is reasonable and remotely balanced in mind and character.
Obama’s gone to extensive lengths to avoid explaining himself and the explanation, I do believe, is owed the nation at this point.
His academic records (not the hyperbole he or his ghostwriter go on and on about in his books), his explanations as to the many reasonable questions that suggest he is not Constitutionally eligible for the U.S. Presidency (his multiple citizenships, multiple passports, from the look of things, his justification as to why he’s “natural born” as the Const. requires that explains his birth circumstances when his mother’s age and residency were of question, whether he was born in Hawaii or not).
Obama needs to be required to answer these questions. I think the time for asking him to do so is over. He should be required by “we the people” to explain his missing gaps in who the heck he actually is.
Born in Hawaii? Fine, then, document it. Making up image files to post on dailykos and then Obama’s sites afterward are not adequate explanations, nor is it even reasonable that a credible person would even go to such lengths to avoid presenting the actual document/s involved.
I’m disappointed in Coulter’s remarks.
Lourdes on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Well just look at you. You are a good boy and see what it’s got you.
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM
IMHO men are the superior sex in every way possible
Donut on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Donut:
Your a brave man,especially as the SarahCuda Army is
amassing around you, perparing a political blitkrieg!
–haha.
canopfor on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Considering my salary I only subscribe to those things on a very small scale.
To true. Donut will have to make himself available for consultation. /
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:16 AM
WOW —
this is the hottest topic at HA….this one has more comments than any of the other active posts out on the Home Page…
Which just goes to show that this whole BIRTH CERTIFICATE deal has captured the entire USA… and Europe, as I hear.
So it won’t be going away anytime soon.
And despite the Alinskyite DEMs trying to make it go away by labeling people who want to see Obama cough up the Birth Certificate as BIRTHERS, they really haven’t scared anyone away, have they? IN FACT there is a growing interest in the whole Birth Certificate issue…you’d have though that it would go away by now, but no….it hasn’t…in fact it is picking up steam….
If Barack Obama gets any more unpopular, even DEMS will demand to see his BC…and THEY will get rid of him…so that they can elevate another of their party….
GeorgiaDoe on July 27, 2009 at 1:18 AM
The one point that even Obama has referred to requires an explanation (as do the other issues, but even this Obama referred to):
that is, that he has referred to “something” “on that” (his alleged birth certificate) “that if made public, would be embarrassing to a lot of people.”
SO HE’S ADMITTED there’s some other document beyond what he’s released to the public…and that there’s more information contained on it than he is comfortable releasing.
Why is that? And isn’t that an admission of fraud? I mean by that, Obama’s admitted that HE’S NOT RELEASING PROBLEMATIC INFORMATION because he recognizes that it’d compromise public perception of who he is.
I can’t understand how it is these important aspects about a guy who is in our White House is being somehow made to appear marginal.
These aren’t marginal concerns. I am not at all comfortable with the very idea that this guy just may not like us, this country, and be as he’s already admitted a covert individual.
Release his academic records…why NOT? What’s to hide?
His BEHAVIOR calls himself into question as to his credibility. That alone should be explored and needs to be.
Lourdes on July 27, 2009 at 1:19 AM
I guess it might be early where Donut lives but for so daring a comment he sure waited until a safe time of day to stir the pot. Actually I’d be willing to bet that most women don’t give a flying flip.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Lesser armies can handle our scut work.
baldilocks on July 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Good night everyone. Sweet dreams.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 AM
I do hope you understand that we are basically in agreement about the mission. But we do have our differences and I’m willing to live with that and hope you are too. And I do enjoy our very rewarding discussions about them. They help me learn, grow and change.
However, I do have fundamental principles that guide me. And I must draw the line at seeing a “courtesy training class” in Professor Do-You-Know-Who-I-Am Gates’ future. That is totally delusional. Not going to happen.
I still like you though. I’m trying to stop, but you’re making it difficult.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:29 AM
Honestly, I openly and loudly wish the RINOs would be replaced with dudes who had some of her spinal calcium. It’s a shame the GOP has become a place where inbred aristocratic fops and trust-fund dandies rule.
Then again, I suppose real men ford new rivers rather than waste time pumping the slime out of poluted bogs.
TMK on July 27, 2009 at 1:29 AM
Got me you. What are you implying?
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:30 AM
Geraldo is a racebaiting troll and every time I see him I want to spit in his face.
Livefreeordie on July 27, 2009 at 1:32 AM
I think what Allahpundit is saying is: Trust Obama.
Jim Treacher on July 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM
canopfor on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM
I guess it might be early where Donut lives but for so daring a comment he sure waited until a safe time of day to stir the pot. Actually I’d be willing to bet that most women don’t give a flying flip.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Cindy Munford:He`s a brave man,consindering that H/A has a
lot of female commentors!
And,I`ve been married 32 years,women are al
most running the world,so his mentality sounds
like he tripped out of a 1950`s time warp!
Oh,Cindy,on comments to Hawk,I really thought
there would be alot more,maybe the word didn`t
get out,or the `hijacking thread thingy` both
ered them,I dunno!!:)
canopfor on July 27, 2009 at 1:35 AM
I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends.
~Abraham Lincoln
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 1:38 AM
“Barack, I am your father,” said Darth Cheney
“NOOOOOOO! It can’t be true!! My father was from Kenya!”
El_Terrible on July 27, 2009 at 1:39 AM
I see trouble on the way
I see bad times today
I hear hurricanes a blowing
I see rivers over flowing
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 1:41 AM
Lesser armies can handle our scut work.
baldilocks on July 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM
baldilocks:BL,that was funny,btw,I had to look up the
meaning ‘scut’,so funny,but applicable!:)
canopfor on July 27, 2009 at 1:42 AM
Many, many moons ago, I began realizing there were more differences between men and women than just physical. At times, it’s almost as if we’re different species. I have so much to learn, and I’m still learning from women. Frankly, I quite enjoy it.
Vive la différence!
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:43 AM
Ouch! I know that one will leave a mark.
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
~Sir Walter Scott
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 1:45 AM
Loophole? It’s in the Constitution of the United States of America.
Which they’re going to do no matter what. Why are you so eager to play by their rules?
So: Wanting to see a birth certificate is the same as thinking Bush authorized 9/11. Ironclad logic.
Yeah, it’s as silly as thinking a guy could become president without ever releasing his college records. Or his medical records. Or his work history. Or anything else about his past. That would take a truckload of people, wouldn’t it?
They must be the same thing, because both words have a “th” sound in them.
I’m not a “birther” so much as an “anti-anti-birther.” I don’t get how the same people who point out how Obama lies about everything, every day, are also vehement that he’s not lying about this.
Jim Treacher on July 27, 2009 at 1:47 AM
Quoting Lincoln at me now, huh? The founder of the GOP. Arguably, our nation’s greatest president.
Drats! You are just so darn sneaky.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:48 AM
I mean, you’d have to be crazy enough to think that 1) Anybody in the whole world is ever born outside the U.S.A. and 2) Obama is audacious enough to think he can stonewall his way through something like this. What are you, nuts?
Jim Treacher on July 27, 2009 at 1:49 AM
Nite all,sweet dreams,Baldilocks:)
canopfor on July 27, 2009 at 1:50 AM
For we all are caught in the middle
Of one long dangerous riddle
Can I trust you?
Should you trust me too?
And we’re all alone in this hell
And we all have secrets to sell
And there comes a day when we sell our souls away!
PercyB on July 27, 2009 at 1:51 AM
Allahpundit did not write a single word in this post. I don’t understand the reasoning behind your comment.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:55 AM
Yes.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:56 AM
Coincidentally, scut work is menial work.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 1:59 AM
You’re missing the point again. Why did he post it in he first place?
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 2:00 AM
Which merely gives this Allahpundit implausible deniability. Never trust anyone with a weird name.
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 2:01 AM
Welcome to Hot Air.
Jim Treacher on July 27, 2009 at 2:03 AM
Weird, isn’t it?
During the 2004 election the Dems repeatedly defended and supported a known, proven, admitted, liar. John Kerry. I would go spastic asking them how they could possibly think someone like Kerry, who was on caught lying on video tape all over the internet, could possibly be believed against the Swifties.
It’s bizarre to see so many conservatives act just like them. Obama puts Kerry to shame in the smooth liar arena. But I guess when you make up your own truth, there is no such thing as a lie. That’s how liberals make it through an average day.
Jaynie59 on July 27, 2009 at 2:04 AM
*it in the first
oops
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 2:04 AM
Yessssssssss………….
………. by all means, go to sleep tonight under the full force and weight of the United States Government being taken over by the the Chicago Corruption Machine Obama.
Rule of Law….? The Constitution…?
……… How about a Country ruled by ACORN?
Sometimes……………
……….. elections DO have consequences.
Seven Percent Solution on July 27, 2009 at 2:06 AM
Liberals can sometimes believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 2:08 AM
His best judgment as to what would draw the most traffic? This is a business, at least in part.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 2:08 AM
…and he claims to be an athiest!
hillbillyjim on July 27, 2009 at 2:08 AM
Let’s not, please.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 2:10 AM
I’m a Sarah supporter and a woman, and I’m not offended. He (if he is a he) is entitled to think he’s superior, as many women are entitled to think they are – and you know many woman believe so, and proclaim it relentlessly.
atheling on July 27, 2009 at 2:15 AM
His political machinations circumvented or overrode judgement in this case. Bad form in posting an unresolvable issue that will more likely cause dissent between normally like minded people. Allah may have rushed to judgment on this disappointing QOTD.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 2:20 AM
I think the point there is that the Obama Birthers are beginning to look as unhinged as the 911 truthers.
Don’t you think Hillary would have brought this to light during the campaign if there was any truth to it? After, it’s the Clintons, the most cut throat political machine in modern history.
Fed45 on July 27, 2009 at 2:26 AM
The AP gives Sarah a parting gift. Given the state of professional photography, how could this be anything but intentional.
If Sarah’s future is over, why are biased journalists so afraid of her?
Mr. Joe on July 27, 2009 at 2:27 AM
Shrillary? You mean the idiot who gave the Russians a red nuclear button that was supposed to say ‘reset’ on it but had it mistranslated at State to read ‘overcharged’, as in ‘about to explode’? Is that the genius you are depending on? Or do you mean the Shrillary who declared that the Honduran government, in following their Constitution, perpetrated a coup against a President who was violating their Constitution ten ways from Sunday? Maybe that is the genius Shrillary whose judgment you are banking on?
Yeah, if Shrillary didn’t understand the situation then there must be nothing to it. She’s a genius … She was so smart that she stepped right on the minefield of illegal aliens being given licenses to derail her nomination – something that most people, here, knew was political death for anyone who mentioned it. Yep, Shrillary really knew what she was doing. And then she was so smart that she left a position of autonomous and individual power to be out to pasture as SecState … when she’s not busy making a joke of herself at it.
progressoverpeace on July 27, 2009 at 2:35 AM
Dan Rather and Mary Mapps are going to investigate the authonticity of it first.
lavell12 on July 27, 2009 at 2:37 AM
Maybe they’re just tired of being called “unhinged.”
I do, and that’s my biggest point of skepticism. But it’s not a substitute for seeing the long-form birth certificate, or getting a solid, clear explanation for why that’s not possible.
I mean, Hillary didn’t give away John Edwards’ big secret, did she?
Jim Treacher on July 27, 2009 at 2:39 AM
And I think that the point here is that the Obama Believers are more than beginning to look as unhinged as the Apocalyptic Global Warming believers.
Joe Bloggs on July 27, 2009 at 2:40 AM
One should always look for a possible alternative and provide against it. It is the first rule of analysis.
semloh on July 27, 2009 at 2:46 AM
As I started writing this, there were 587 posts in this QotD, so AP picked a topic that generated a lot of page views. that’s money to Hot Air which they need to continue. And as much as some posters, including AP, drive me crazy, and as I’m sure I do others, I believe Hot Air is the blog most broadly representative of all the GOP’s factions. I also greatly respect Ed’s analysis and comments, and often find AP’s analysis brilliant and enjoy his humor. And I believe it is increasing in influence, and rightly so. I want it to flourish.
Yes. This is a divisive issue. Some of us will be “sleeping on the couch” about it. Some of us are holding grudges and throwing bombs. That can’t be stopped by avoiding the topic. that cannot be stopped by attempting to suppress people from expressing their views. It has to be worked out.
Otherwise, the grudges and bomb throwing will never end, and many of us will be grumpy from sleeping on the couch. And that will make it more difficult for us to work together to get the job done, to push back Obama’s congress in 2010 and 2012, and perhaps defeat him in 2012.
It’s been a tiring day for me, so I will stop posting soon. I wish I could have a longer chat with you off site, as I do very much appreciate discussions with you. But to do so, you’ll have to figure out how to get in touch with a hermit.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 2:51 AM
To your point 1 – Both of my kids, US Citizens by birth, were born outside of the United States. So was John McCain.
Point 2 – He doesn’t have to think about stonewalling. That’s Axelrod’s job.
Honestly, I’d rather see his grades and transcripts. The more we focus on his birth certificate, the less we focus on how many classes he attended that were taught by radicals. It’s the old deception by obfuscation routine.
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 2:54 AM
Yes. That was a petty parting shot.
I don’t believe that most members of the MSM fear Palin will be elected president or fear conservatives in general. They rarely encounter us in their daily lives. They have the White House and super-majorities in both chambers of congress. They are one Justice away from controlling the Supreme Court. They dominate the news and entertainment industries and the educational field.
Instead, I believe they have elite contempt for all things conservative, and not just Sarah Palin. Their contempt for other potential GOP candidates is expressed differently, but it is still there. Even those they are more tolerant of, tolerance is the key word. they can just barely tolerate them.
We need to go over, under and around the MSM. Hot Air helps.
Loxodonta on July 27, 2009 at 3:09 AM
You need to go back to the events that led up to swing away from HRC in 2007 to BHO in 2008. Power brokers at the highest levels of the DNC chose their candidate. High stakes calculated political effects and fallouts were put into play during the democratic primary. The SRM also weighed into the decision heavily. Who did SRM protect & defend vehemently and who they didn’t should speak volumes. The left (DNC) are cutthroats or have you forgotten about that character trait. Did HRC have the goods on BHO? Maybe or better to say probably not but HRC surely could easily have known the political consternation of the DNC power brokers since she is one of them to begin with anyway. The stars were not in alignment for HRC in 2008 according the BS spewed out the SRM. It was the time to elect the first of something else whereby, setting a presedent for the people to say they helped make it happen in their lifetime. Oh well, HRC negotiated a cabinet position out of her submission to the unprincipled, ruthless people and decided to fall in line with the parties druthers because a healing of the democratic party had to be conveyed prior to the general election.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Fine and dandy but you better not tell me in the future to rein in my comments when you believe that they are causing dissent or else I’ll give you a friendly reminder of what you just wrote here. That is not a threat to you personally by any means but only a gentle caution or advisory statement from me to you.
[btw] IMHO nothing was accomplished on this issue. Dozens of other topics would have achieved a similar amount of hits or comments on a QOTD thread.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 3:30 AM
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