Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on July 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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“Barack Obama has yet to have to prove that he’s a citizen. All he has to do is show a birth certificate. He has yet to have to prove he’s a citizen.”
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I’d settle on BO’s college transcripts. Anyone know how he did in school?
the_souse on July 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM
So the Birther Conspiracy is Jerry Springer-worthy?
I could have told you that.
One’s fine, and the Birthers have failed to invalidate it.
You might want to shut off the engine, then.
That sounds like your concern, not the imaginary tourists on you “tour bus.”
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:58 AM
I assume nothing, that’s why I went after you. A poster earlier said “Thats why you are a Good Lt, and I’m just a retired NCO.”
I take exception to that sort of nonsensery. I earned the rank I carried around, and I take exception to other people just assuming they can call themselves whatever they want without so much as an akward glance or challenge.
Also, I notice you didn’t bring back up the “sekret muslim” canard once I called you on it.
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM
So far, you’ve accused me of being a sockpuppet, a fake military/police vet, of voting for somebody other than McAmnesty…
Anything else you want to get exactly wrong today? How about Obama’s BC?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM
That’ll do, sockpuppet. That’ll do.
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Using that argument, it looks like Palin must also be hiding something… look at her legal bills!
mycowardice on July 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Why’d you vote vote for “McAmnesty”, Good Lt?
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Maybe Officer Crowley will arrest the president at the White House for being an illigal immigrant? Just sayin’
Mr_Magoo on July 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM
You assumed I was a fraud.
And you were wrong.
I’m not responsible for what other people post or assume, homeboy.
Whatever rank you are in whatever service, congrats and thanks. Now we can get back to the issue at hand.
That has nothing to do with the discussion here, which is the fact that Birthers haven’t invalidated a key piece of documentation they’re claiming is invalid.
Can you invalidate it?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Because the other option was Obama.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 AM
If you look at that COLB, its a computer printout based on information sitting in a database.
Under Hawaii law, your origional vault birth cert can be modified at various times.
During adoptions of young children for example, its NORMAL to change the birth cert to the new parents, mark it as sealed, and print a new one… that modified information would then show on the printout of the COLB … and there is some evidence that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro.
That would, under indonesian law make him an Indonesian/American citizen.
If he then used that Foreign student status to get into Harvard, and get funding? Which we don’t know because he has sealed those reoords? It could be fraud.
Now, another way the origional vault COLB could be changed is by sending the folks in Hawaii a fee, and a subpeona, and ASKING them to change it. They would then print you a new COLB with all the changed Info….
Now, IF Barry was adopted by Soetoro, and his vault Birth Cert changed… because that relationship was severd by divorce, Barry could have got it changed to Barrak Senior and reprinted, which would explain why its a NEW printout.
He also however would have had to change his name, LEGALY back to Barrak Obama.
Problem is, that there is no paper trail of any of this, as all these records are sealed. Heck, to even get a drivers license… and especialy a security clearance, you have to submit any documents which CHANGED YOUR NAME….
The origional vault birth cert is only the first doc he needs to release, so we can Vet whether he is even, LEGALY, Barrak Obama.
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 AM
What policies of Obama, specifically, do you disagree with?
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM
First rule of holes.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM
I assumed nothing. I have seen many posters utlize handles in such a manner to infer legitimacy, as I stated earlier.
Since you still seem to only be orbiting the BC issue, it would appear that you are either A) a one trick pony or B) a sockpuppet until proven otherwise.
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM
No, it isn’t.
This suffices.
Nearly all of them, from the bailouts to takeovers to stimulus to weak war leadership to apologetics to health care to …
Need I go on, or have I “proved” I am who I say I am?
Again, if you want to see for yourself, I have a long paper trail.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM
With all due respect to Ms. Coulter, she’s out to lunch on this one. For one thing, it’s not just a handful of us. As for their statements in the clip in toto, the issue isn’t really as to whether he’s actually a citizen or not, but whether or not he’s a natural born citizen.
Also, neither the press nor Hillary’s people would have been able to get any further past Obama’s lawyers than anyone else. The other thing is that we’ve seen zero on this man in reference to even the most mundane paperwork concerning the vast majority of his life…officially, he does not even exist.
Pure and simple-the Founding Fathers didn’t think it a good idea to have someone who possibly had loyalties to another country be president of our country. I don’t know why that is such a difficult concept.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM
So have I, and you assumed I was one of them.
And you were wrong. Just admit it and move on.
As for being a “one-trick pony,” I’ll let my aforementioned paper trail at the Jawa Report speak for itself.
For the record, I detest baseless conspiracy theories – especially when they’re infecting my side of the aisle and are threatening to derail effective opposition to Obama. I value the mental health of my compatriots, and hence, will fight hard to have them retain it.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I would suggest changing you handle.
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM
He is.
Just get over it and move on to more substantive issues.
Oh? And which countries does Obama have “loyalties” to? Indonesia? Kenya?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Um, no.
I suggest you get a clue and stop the important work of policing people’s Internet handles.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Actualy? WRONG…
Your name is GoodLt? Know anything about the vetting process for Security Clearances? Know anything about the legal requirments under the Real ID act to show IDENTITY? (vice name, which is a different standard). To show Identity you have to be able to track through all name changes.
We have documents showing he used the name Barry Soetoro while in Indonesia, and school records and such. That shows a NAME CHANGE…. and we have no documents as to whether that name change was legal (through adoption), and if so, if he ever changed his name back.
KNOWING that the info shown on COLBs is modified for various reasons, the COLB shown would NOT be a legal proof of his identity, WITHOUT the other supporting docs (adoption papers, name change forms).
I suspect that this is the reason we are shown a RECENT new printout of his COLB… when there is some evidence from his book that his Grandma HAD an old birth cert (he says he found one in his book).
But please, continue to say a document that would NOT stand up in Court, without further discovery as to the OTHER documents I mention (to see if they even exist… I don’t know, just have a theory that fits the “story”)… your certitude on this subject is amusing.
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM
But you have no problem smearing people with the same broad brush though, correct? See: your “sekret muslim” comment earlier in the thread.
I would tend to agree that the idea that Obama was born outside the US is unsupported by facts as we know them, but that’s as far as I would take it. We are talking about a guy who’s quoted as saying ” a world in need run by white man’s greed” after all. I question more directly his transcripts because they form the basis of his political upbringing and philosophy, which occired in large part isolated from his family – so he had no tempering element. I think that the MSM should have covered this in detail so as to present a fair choice to the public, which they of course failed to do.
I don’t trust our Pres, and quite frankly, he is in bed with the whole corrupt chicago machine and more nationally. People need to know what they are facing if they stnad a chance to defeat it.
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Likewise, considering all lawsuits on this very subject have been laughed out of court.
Why don’t you step up and file one? Put your money and effort where your keyboard is.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM
I needed a birth certificate to play little league. The only people that do not release something have something to hide. This is the most powerful man in the world, yet people are ok with him not releasing a piece of paper that only has about 10 lines of information. Honestly, this is why we have a president that is not qualified to be a walmart greeter. Ignorant, gullible, and stupid is the direction this country is going and Pres bum is driving the bus.
Tremmy on July 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Sigh… as to his dual citizen status.
Under the ORIGIONAL meaning of “Natural Born Citizen, you had to be born on American soil, OF AN AMERICAN FATHER.
You see, there are two ways to get citizenship, birth on soil, or birth of parents (father back then). To ENSURE that the President would not have problems with either loyalty, or FOREIGN LAWS (as a Brit subject for example, you could be tried for treason if America went to war with Britain if you were a dual cit), and as American then did not recognize DUAL citizenship…. these two things meant you were an American citizen, and ONLY an American citizen.
14th Amendment, according to the Supreme Court, makes you a CITIZEN, they left the question open (talked about it then said for this case they did not need to decide) whether it also made you a “Natural Born Citizen”.
So, the Founding Fathers specificly put in language to ensure we had no Citizenship problems with the President…
But by the COLB you set so much store by…. he father WAS a British Citizen, and thus, Barry does not meet the Constitutional requirment under the ORIGIONAL definition the Founders used for Natural Born status…
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM
You don’t believe in one conspiracy but believe whole-heartedly in another.
Color me unimpressed.
That is, in fact, the “issue.” What is so hard for Birthers to understand about this?
They do, and Birth Certificate nuttery and conspiracy theories aren’t doing anything to stop it. On the contrary.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Yep… they got laughed all the way up the Supreme Court… they were dismissed for reasons of STANDING… ie… the people who brought them could claim no injury according to the court….
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM
First of all, you can’t be born of a father. You are born of a mother TO a father.
Second, BO’s mother was an American citizen. He was born on American soil.
The. End.
File a lawsuit, then, and stop wasting your time.
Get the answers you seek.
Go, go! For the good of the nation!
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM
That’s no excuse. You’re claiming that Obama is destroying the nation.
That’s the legal definition of “injurious,” don’t you think?
File a lawsuit and remind the stupid, thruth-suppressing idiots in the court system that everyone is being injured here.
What are you waiting for?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM
An yet you failed to address any other issue in the whole damn post.
WHAT F-ING CONSPIRACY ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF BELIEVING IN, JACKASS?
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Obama is not eligible to be President or something because he hasn’t released his long-form birth certificate…or something.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:39 AM
SQUARE THAT STUPIDITY WITH THIS, GENIUS
flashoverride on July 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM
What am I waiting for? Legal Standing to sue. The Courts have decided, for whatever strange reason, that I do NOT have the ability to sue…
I’m soooo glad you are soooo dismissive of this whole subject…
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-and-his-birth-certificate-are-about-to-make-history/
Check out the above… said Major had standing, as he was being given an unlawful order… so they changed his orders? Now, if true, did you ever hear of the military changing an ORDER to deploy for somthing like this???
Smells… really smells…
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:44 AM
What’s the point of this argument? Do you think the courts will unseat Obama? It’s a colossal waste of time. Focus on the things he’s ACTUALLY DOING. That’ll keep you busy 24/7. Take that time and educate others on real issues. Please?
marklmail on July 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM
No, I don’t think it will unseat him… but if we can show a paper trail of a pattern of deceit? It will go a LONG way taking the Messiah glow away.
If, say, you can proove Legal fraud? that he legaly misidentified himself? That he went to Pakistan on an indonesian Passport?
All little chips in taking this guy down.
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Not to be too much of a dick there “Good Lt” (I’d love to see proof of that), but if the Executive branch (laid out under article II) can usurp the power of the Legislative branch (laid out under Article I), this country ceases to be a Republic by definition. You are aware of that, correct?Sorry, flash. I got you paranoia mixed up with the Birther paranois. YOUR paranoia is that Obama is trying to “usurp” Congress or something and is violating the Constitution.I’m sure there are plenty of Const. lawyers out there who agree and who are presently preparing a docket on Obama to file a legal challenge to this overstepping of his authority.
Any day now.
Ah – you’re not suing becuase you don’t think it will make it into court.
That’s not stopping, for example, Phillip Berg or the other 9-11 nutter/Birther crazies from filing suits. IF you really have the courage of your convictions, you should be doing it regardless of whether or not you think you’re going to get a hearing. Or have it be heavy on your conscience.
Erin Watada. He refused to deploy because he objected to Bush’s authority to send him to war, and the changed his orders and sent him elsewhere – to jail.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Dude, his poll #s are already tanking – just focus on his POLICIES and the rest is going to take care of itself.
This conspiracy crap? It’s only alienating moderates who are feeling buyer’s remorse but no won’t want to be associated with the right because they’re perceived to be (thanks to Birthers) loonbats. And you need moderates to win elections. Obama did, and so do we to unseat him.
You can also just mash up his campaign promises and shifting rhetoric with his current rhetoric and have a GOLDMINE of material.
Or, you can chase invisible rabbits down imaginary holes of conspiracy lunacy for the next few years.
Whatever works, I guess.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM
does not look to me like this guy is up on charges however…
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
You know? I don’t hear any moderates talking about this…
I see far left… and RIGHT… people dismissing the “birthers”.
Yes, there are some nuts out there… but that does not dismiss some of the legal question we have (such as is a dual citizen OK under the Natural born citizen clause).
Or, and even better question, why does there seem to be no process in place to ensure that we are following the Constitution on the question of who should get on the ballot (in a number of states, a guy who is not even an American Citizen was on the ballot for the Socialist party).
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Suit was tossed, bro.
http://washingtonindependent.com/51434/birther-soldier-lawsuit-dismissed
Got any better non-Birther sources other than World Nut Daily?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Ah, so he’s not a natural born citizen?
Oh, but he is. Now what?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM
And, for my last post here… got things to do…
Its interesting that folks like you are all worried about ticking off the Moderates… while you heap scorn and make fun of some of the consservative base….
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Sigh, do you even bother to think about what you write? or read what other people post?
Under the origional Natural Born Citizen definition, his COLB PROOVES he is not eligable, as his Father was a citizen of the British Commonwealth.
But please, continue to post articles from people as ignorant as you…. I have better things to do today than attempt to educate someone who will not pay attention to the arguements.
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM
SO – his mother, a full-blooded American citizen gives birth to BHO on US soil, but he’s not a natural born citizen.
Good luck convincing anybody but Birthers of the veracity of those facts.
Then go do them, and when you manage to get that smoking gun invalidating BO’s citizenship (or natural born citizenship), tell us. We’ll all be waiting.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
So it’s not OK for President Barack Hussein Obama II to give the impression to America’s population that it is OK to resist providing information to police officers, but it is OK for President Barack Hussein Obama II to resist the Constitution and Americans by not providing an independently verifiable document. One standard for all.
FeFe on July 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM
A baby born in the States from 2 illegal aliens would qualify.
mycowardice on July 27, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Just think! The first 6 comment pages were totally unnecessary. We could have just waited for Good Lt to come on the scene and explain it all to us.
Oleta on July 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM
No, it’s the human-interest story concerning multiple “daddies” all claiming to be the exact birth location of Barack Obama, and the media’s laughable attempts to get the story straight (and pick one), and their EPIC FAIL to do so, which continues to this very moment by the way (none of which is disputed AFAIK and, interestingly, none of which comes from the Burfer camp), that’s aching for a Jerry Springer episode.
And yet they are two separate and distinct organizations, are they not? They exist at two distinct, physically separate locations, do they not? Which would make their physical proximity irrelevant to someone wishing to contribute money to the right hospital charity, or locate his birth location, would it not?
Or it is possible for him to have been born at both locations? I don’t think so (at least not without a Certification of Multiple Live Births, which was my point earlier). Yet he is claimed to have been born at both locations, not just for news stories, but as an appeal for people to take some kind of action *based* on that.
You may not realize it yet but it is this issue that makes the story relevant no matter *what* the Burfers have to say, and no matter what you have to say. It is unseemly, it is tawdry, and it is begging for Jerry Springer-style resolution.
You may think I’m wrong but the fact remains, no one can seemingly tell anyone or recall with authority where his birthplace was; the story keeps changing – one year, it’s Queens, the next year it’s Kapi’oilani; in the future, who knows where they might claim it was. One moment the beaming Kapo’is use their proud legacy to hustle money from patrons; the next, the clampdown happens, and “daddy” erases all traces from his website, except… the mailers already went out, with the proud claims printed all over it. So what’s the story going to be a week from now? A month? A year?
RD on July 27, 2009 at 1:02 PM
It remains bizarre that a man who has been elected president keeps his birth certificate hidden. In a culture that has dropped the bar about as far low as a tavern in Sodom at closing time, does it matter that the POTUS is illegitimate? That has got to be the only thing he’s worried about other than the possibility that his race is listed as “white”.
I can see having Affirmative Actions twins Barry and Michelle’s grades hidden from the public, but a birth certificate? This is Clinton’s health records all over again.
Hening on July 27, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Er, to the street or neighborhood level. If they are under the same roof then I’d agree, it gets more complicated. Fair enough? But the organizational questions would still remain: who gets to claim birthright on their charity drive?
RD on July 27, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Good Lt, I am adding to the mix my own rank opinion that there is a human-interest component to all of this (at least to those of us who see Obama as the Messiah) that many folks are overlooking, which is that a vital piece of the Messiah’s narrative is missing, namely Where is His manger? And we’d like to see that void filled, preferably with accurate information.
With the *last* Messiah, the one that walked the Earth 2000 years ago, we have the disadvantage of being 2,000 years removed from Him and thus not being able to retrace His steps accurately; instead we have to make do every holiday season with crude replicas of the Nativity scene and ball-park guesses about exactly how many well-wishers came by, how they looked, etc. And even there, we have some testimony in the form of eyewitness accounts, naturally filtered through the ages (and the numerous handlers of the Bible).
Now: What dumb luck would it be if that happened with our Messiahs twice in a row?
Of course we can’t go back 2000 years and interview the wise men on Dateline, or film a segment with the farmer who owned the manger on Before They Were Famous. But surely we can go back to… 1961. Can’t we?
RD on July 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM
I can’t believe the main piece of evidence from Birthers is something a Kenyan woman said when the interviewer didn’t even speak her language. Maybe she meant Obama’s “soul” was born in Kenya. Maybe she meant Obama Sr. Maybe she wanted to have some fun with a stupid white person. Who knows?
Speedwagon82 on July 27, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Forget the birth certificate.
Personally, I’d like to see his college records.
Why is he going to such pains to keep those from the public?
PoodleSkirt on July 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM
The best explanation of why Obama and his advisors have stonewalled any revelation of his birth certificate is that it would show him as being “barry soetoro” which would highlight his having been adopted by a muslim Javanese and his time in indonesia being taught as a muslim. That would also bring up questions about dual citizenship. That this makes the right look loony is just a extra benefit.
jcw46 on July 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM
You’ve got to look at this from all sides. On one hand, the birthers have a point: If you were applying for a job and put on your resume – i have a PhD from Havard – wouldn’t it be appropriate for your future employer to want to see proof of this?
Obama applied for the highest position in our government, more than anyone else in this country he should provide absolute proof of his citizenship. Its in EVERYONEs best interest that he does so before becoming a candidate. That he didn’t do it is extremely foolish. I question the man’s intellect for allowing this to even be a controversay. It’s such a simple thing to discredit. Either have the state display its own copy or explain to the world what happened to it.
And if Hawaii destroyed the original copy (as they claim), that is terrible and they really face some kind of recourse. You cannot replace a signed, dated, official document with a few bytes in a computer.
tflst5 on July 27, 2009 at 3:24 PM
If she didn’t talk through her nose, she would be HOT…
workingforpigs on July 27, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I am VERY INTERESTED in knowing WHO gave Obama money to pay for his college tuition at Occidental and on from there.
JaqobJackson on July 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Geraldo is such a racist piece of slime. Geraldo was like Springer for those of you too young to remember. He did a national enquirer type show where he interviewed his fellow racist counterparts in the clan. He is also a glass jawed wuss who got his brown supremacist punk ass kicked by tiny guys. I love the video where he got his nose broken. The racist revolutionist and brown supremacist group, La Race plots the violent overthrow of our country. All members should be tried and executed for treason. Geraldo Rivera has all the credibility of an Alex Jones. He is lucky the trick who fathered him was not driving a Pinto. Geraldo Pinto.
Jerricho68 on July 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM
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