Palin debate: Frum vs. Coulter vs. Bay Buchanan
posted at 3:32 pm on July 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
A palate cleanser occasioned by this weekend’s official resignation. Nothing too surprising here from any of the participants but the prospect of a Coulter/Frum faceoff over Hot Air readers’ favorite Republican is too juicy to resist. Plus, it beats the hell out of the umpteen thousand “Alaskans debate Palin’s legacy” pieces being cranked out by the media this weekend. Man on the street #1: “I love her!” Man on the street #2: “I hate her!” Wash, rinse, repeat.
Frum does raise an interesting point at the end, though. Of the potential big three GOP candidates for 2012 — Romney, Huck, and Sarahcuda — do any have the potential to unite moderates and conservatives after a bruising primary? It’s hard to imagine Mitt turning out the whole evangelical base but it’s also hard to imagine Palin turning out Romney-supporting centrists. Huck as compromise choice?
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David Frum is an absolute moron and quite obviously has a personal disdain for Palin from the outset.
Because she’s 45 she can’t change and she’ll never be ready for the presidency? Give me a break. Frum is an idiot, a royal class idiot. It’s a good thing he’s irrelevant and he’ll soon fade into the abyss of irrelevancy.
As for AP’s comment regarding Huck. I think he may be onto something. Say what you will about Huck, despite being a strong social con, moderates, independents and some Democrats like him. That’s not a reason for him to get the nom over someone like Palin, but it is something to take into consideration.
joshleguern on July 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Allah is kidding on the Huck compromise… he seems to be in Romney’s camp, as am I.
scotash on July 25, 2009 at 11:57 PM
She may have ran as a conservative democrat but she isn’t voting like one. The C&T vote should do her in for the 2010 mid-term elections. Hold another tea party in her honor and get that new guy you mentioned to emcee the event. Make big signs showing that the C&T bill is aimed at increasing the energy bills and make the point of where it will impact the disposable incomes of everyone across the board. She probably didn’t even read the bill. No true blue dog democrat would have voted in favor of that bill. I can also bet with you that she didn’t read the 787 billion dollar stimulus bill in its entirety before she voted on that either. That is two strikes against her and with this Obamacare bill that is on the immediate horizen she is about to become a three strikes and you’re out kind of congress member. Make signs for that as well.
Good luck to you Special K and keep shining the light on what she said she would do before she got elected and what she has done afterwards. I got a feeling that her campaign promises won’t match up with her voting record. Increasing taxes by any measure should be the nail in the coffin of any elected official.
Americannodash on July 26, 2009 at 12:07 AM
The polls suggest she does better with all Republicans than either Romney or Huck. A couple of polls not based on likely voters years away from election day are not particularly meaningful — others show her doing very well. Hopefully she can now begin to introduce America to the real Sarah Palin, reversing the negative media image that has been sold far and wide. Party big shots should be aware by now that by continuing to denigrate Palin they risk the support of the bulk of the pary, and therefore the continued viability of the party itself. There is much more at stake here than Palin’s future. She will survive — the GOP, who knows.
littleguy on July 26, 2009 at 12:16 AM
We don’t even have to answer such a lame question.
Somebody just snap Frum’s neck and we can settle it at CPAC.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Ann’s yummies look better than usual. Hmmm…
Jaibones on July 26, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Excellent post. Simple and the truth.
We have our champion. Let’s rally around her and move on to more interesting questions…like….
Who will be her running mate?
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Not Huck, Not Huck, Not Huck – Please!
InTheBellyoftheBeast on July 26, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Lets keep it real, the Dems fear Romney too. They are holding their fire on him now because they don’t want to overplay their hand. They’ve got the “flip-flop” card waiting for Romney, though I doubt it will be effective coming from Obama, who has flipped and flopped like the fish out of water he is in a situation where the buck stops with him. Or they can play the religion card, though Reverend Wright might have a word or two on that…
thecountofincognito on July 26, 2009 at 12:34 AM
If the establishment GOP does not get behind Sarah at some point, I reregister Indy and NEVER come back to the GOP, NEVER.
I’ll take my chances in a post-apocalyptic world with my AR-15, Springfield .45, canned food, medical supplies, GOLD, a well of water, and lots of rabid Rottweilers guarding the property.
Keanu Reeves has exclusive rights to play me in the movie:
“Endgame”
Reeth Witherspoon can play my girlfriend, Megyn Kelly, and my son plays himself.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:35 AM
That would be nice. Perhaps it would be like removing a tumor since Frum’s New Majority is a cancer in the GOP.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on July 26, 2009 at 12:36 AM
One good nugget in a bucket of crap spewing from his mouth.
Michael Jackson? Come on. And her poll numbers dropping faster than anyone else? Without mentioning the media environment of Trig truthers, ethics complaints, the temporary Anchorage bureau of multiple media conglomerates digging for whatever dirt they could find?
Yeah, Palin might have trouble pulling in some centrists. I’ll betcha she’ll have a lot less trouble getting centrists than some version of McCain 2.0 will have getting the base in 2012.
Bank on it.
cs89 on July 26, 2009 at 12:37 AM
You know something? David Frum is REALLY REALLY REALLY a f*ckin a-hole.
I never realized that until just now.
I knew he was a RINO, a Canadian, a liberal, but he is so insider I think he is like in another dimension.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:44 AM
He is so utterly wrong that he is in Obama territory now.
The perfect example of education and still being a moron.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Right on!
There is no way a chump like Franken would ever get elected to the US Senate if I was the governor of the same state.
Dereliction of duty on the part of Pawlenty.
He’d last five minutes if MN had the funny ethics laws like AK.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Sorry Jaynie,
Sarah didn’t quit. She has a new job she moved into.
She is the official “ObamaKiller”.
That is her profession now.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM
There is only one person with the experience necessary to undo the damage that b. hussein has done and will do to this country.
That person is Mitt Romney. I love Sarah Palin, but she is not experienced enough for THIS TIME IN HISTORY. Maybe after Romney, but not 2012.
Romney has business experience and administrative government experience and knows economics. I don’t care that he’s made mistakes… as a matter of fact, I think those have made him stronger. He’s got what it takes and by 2012 the independents and even a lot of Dems will be screaming for hussein to go. This country is going to be a DISASTER at that point.
Joy on July 26, 2009 at 1:16 AM
Frum, sits up there and attacks/insults probably the most valuable assets (Palin & Coulter) that Republicans have, and whines on about his wet dream of moderate “uniters” — what a loser — “get off the set you big dope!”
Screw the McCain limp-wing moderates they revealed their chops, lack thereof, in the last cycle! Besides they’ve got their kissin cousins the Democrats to choose from on election day! Moreover, polls indicate that most of the the Rep Party identify as conservative.
…the plurality of GOP voters (43%) say their party has been too moderate over the past eight years, and 55% think it should become more like Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in the future…Rasmussen Reports
Sarah is not only a magnet for the conservatives, she’s a gun-toting reformer (exactly what DC needs), with many Rep & Dem hides nailed to her wall to prove it! She’s also a WOMAN, a gender whose time has come –long overdue– to occupy the highest national offices.
Furthermore, she’s an All-American Woman, with whom most women, left or right, can relate. Now if Mitt, in his new conservative costume, can succeed in buying the primary this time, he could do worse that choose Sarah Palin as a running mate.
“Let’s Roll”
On Watch on July 26, 2009 at 1:34 AM
The two on the left of Coulter (“left of”…hmmm) are representative of the problem with the GOP.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 26, 2009 at 1:43 AM
What David Frum and Allapundit don’t seem to understand is that in order to entice Americans, regardless of their political label, you need to be transcendent and appeal to core American ideals.
You NEVER win by watering down your message! That doesn’t inspire anyone. Reaching across the aisle is meaningless when in doing so you’ve sacrificed your principles.
Palin right now is the only one who I believe can tap into the Reaganesque magic and bring Palin Democrats to support her…just like Reagan had his Reagan Democrats. He didn’t change his message…rather, he stuck to his guns and made his appeal to American values.
powerpro on July 26, 2009 at 2:06 AM
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 26, 2009 at 1:43 AM
You have a point with Frum, but I’d hardly call Bay Buchanan a liberal. Not everyone has to be in lockstep behind one candidate 3 years out to be a conservative.
thecountofincognito on July 26, 2009 at 2:06 AM
You keep saying this. I keep wondering what you have against Willow …
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 26, 2009 at 2:10 AM
Also…following up what I posted earlier…
Obama did this very thing. He appealed to values that exceeded political boundaries. It just so happened that it was a scam and that he’s the Con Artist in Chief.
Palin, however, is the real deal. She really does believe in the things that make America great.
powerpro on July 26, 2009 at 2:28 AM
Yeah, I am slowly tromping my way into the Mittens camp myself. I worked hard to defeat him in 08 so it will be heard to fight that funk in 12. I think that his performance and who he backs in 10 will be indicative. If he campaigns for Rubio, I am out.
Squid Shark on July 26, 2009 at 2:51 AM
Romney has one slight defect in his resume.
Romney Care.
MSimon on July 26, 2009 at 4:05 AM
If Romeney couldn’t beat McCain in 08, then I truly doubt he’ll be a strong candidate in 2012. He was met with a tepid response because partially he’s a Mormon but also because he was the former governor of Mass. He’s the one that instituted their health care system, any true fiscal conservative wouldn’t think twice on passing on him. The way I see it we only have two viable candidates, Sen. Jim DeMint 9as long as he doesn’t say anything crazy and sticks to fiscal policy) and Gen. David Petraeus (only if he’s amenable to serve, which hasn’t been the case so far). Ostensibly those are the only two that have a real chance at beating Obama, DeMint because of his comments on fiscal policy and the General because of his leadership during the GWOT (which Obama is opposed to).
Cr4sh Dummy on July 26, 2009 at 4:08 AM
I love Alan Keyes. Seriously.
Keyes got seriously undervoted WRT Bush in 2004. Heck. I hated Keyes so much I voted for Obama. May God forgive me. I know the rest of you won’t.
But I’m a Palin kinda guy all the way. Not Jindal. Not Romney Care. Not Bible Thump Huck. None of the lot. Palin. Palin. Palin. Palin. Palin. (I’m trying to raise my Google score) Palin. Palin. Palin.
I’d rather go down with the Palin ship than stay afloat with any of the rest of the lot. I’m an old Navy man and I will not give up the ship.
MSimon on July 26, 2009 at 4:35 AM
On the contrary…I think it’s awesome.
The only way I’d personally be irked is if after seeing the devastation he’s wreaked on our nation, you’d say that you were proud of your vote.
Obama is a con artist and a lot of good, smart, normally clear thinking people got suckered. There’s no shame in that. I don’t think there’s a person alive who hasn’t been tricked by a smooth talking snake oil salesman at one time or another in their lives.
My hope now is that more and more folks recognize what happened to them, see the mistake they made and learn from it.
powerpro on July 26, 2009 at 5:23 AM
Dude. Haven’t you realized allah is a hillary voter?
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 7:03 AM
Sarah Palin is too polarizing, and that’s just on the right. Social conservatism is as invasive as everything on the left. Social conservatives are a one issue group:Abortion. It’s a losing issue everytime. No one wants a governnment with a gun to a woman’s head telling her she has no choice but to reproduce.Doesn’t exactly capture the women’s vote. Drop the social conservatism and never lose another election. Keep hammering abortion and more than likely Republicans will lose far more than they will win. We have a total amateur in the White House now, Palin won’t get elected on that premise, one with inexperience is/was enough….
adamsmith on July 26, 2009 at 7:15 AM
adamsmith on July 26, 2009 at 7:15 AM
Oh brother.
powerpro on July 26, 2009 at 7:29 AM
This isn’t just a strawman, it’s a cartoonish caricature of a strawman that has the added bonus of also being mind-numbingly stupid.
The fact of the matter is that so-called “social conservatives” are a significant (and reliable) voting bloc for the Republican party. However much you may disdain them, if you place a high premium on winning federal elections then learn how to hide it.
Harpazo on July 26, 2009 at 7:58 AM
Do you even know Palin’s stance on abortion? She’s pro-life, but has she ever advocated making abortion illegal? The government should be out of people’s lives period. No federal or state money for abortion. If you don’t have enough common sense to use birth control or say no … and you want to kill your offspring do it on your own dime.
I’m not sure why you think abortion wouldn’t be a major issue for the right … it’s the singular most important issue to the left: government funded population control through abortion.
Yes, that’s it. Just go to the left on every issue and we’ll win every election! We never win when we go left. We win when we campaign on conservatism and common sense. Let each state decide for themselves about abortion. At the very least taxpayer money should be taken out of the equation.
darwin on July 26, 2009 at 8:01 AM
I agree. It’s not about ego or ambition. I’m convinced Romney’s motives are 100% altruistic. He doesn’t need to be president, he can live like a king now. VP is really a deadend. If you try to be effective like Cheney you become a bigger target then the president. Look what they did to Cheney, he was possibly the most respected man in washington before he joined bush and then even democrats he considered friends went on tv and lied and slandered him. I’m convinced it has to be Romney/Palin. The media is not going to become sensible and objective in 3 years, they will be bitter and desperate and that combination, in that order, will be the strongest team to handle the msm onslaught. Romney is squeeky clean and they have nothing substantive to attack him with. If they go after Palin, as a vp candidate, with the same old stuff they will come off as even more shallow and biased then they already look. And by the way, the media bias is obvious to us and maybe to more people then 10 years ago but there are still a hundred million who are clueless to it and will only hear the noise.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM
Coulter is correct, in my opinion. The other pundits sound outdated and out of touch.
AnninCA on July 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Huckabee would be worse for Republicans than John McCain. His faux religiousness is offensive to many who arent into the evangelical sect. His moderate track record as governor will never afford him complete base support. His touchy uncle vibe will repel young voters like an episode of Murder She Wrote.
He wouldnt bring the party together and would lose handily to Obama…..which would take some skill considering his approval rating in 3 years should be about 10%.
Have you ever watched his show on Fox…..the dude is CREE-PY. Id sooner vote for Charlie Crist…..well, maybe not…..GO MARK RUBIO!
alecj on July 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Huckabee isn’t even in the picture.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/2012_match_ups_obama_romney_tied_at_45_obama_48_palin_42
AnninCA on July 26, 2009 at 10:25 AM
They live in another world, in a time long ago. Never before has the disparity between the average American and the Washington “elite” been so pronounced. These people haven’t a clue.
darwin on July 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Don’t even joke about that. cornyn was on the gallagher show this week and he offered crist as a future republican star in the senate. Those moron republicans in the senate do not get it. If they keep pushing crist over Rubio and get what they want it will be a disaster in 2010. Conservatives won’t just not vote for crist, it is possible they will stay away from the polls all together. It could be a disaster at the local, state and national level in Florida. Florida will turn blue. crist is a blatant liberal and the first meeting he will have if elected to the senate will be with collins and snowe.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I suspect that they always have. It’s just that so many of them are on now, flapping their lips. The more they talk, the more it becomes clear that they are really pedantic and lack any real substance.
Coulter is different. She’s a card, in my opinion. And she’s often dead right.
AnninCA on July 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM
And here is a wild prediction for you people to file away somewhere. If crist is elected to the senate in 2010 don’t be surprised to see him be part of a “Hope and Change for Unification” ticket with barry in 2012. crist is that bad.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM
What the hell are you up too? Is that screen name just one that everyone in the family uses? Sometimes conservative dad uses it, sometimes loopy liberal teenage daughter uses it.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM
All politics today is polarizing. I don’t buy the notion that any one candidate is more or less than others.
It’s US who are polarized.
AnninCA on July 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Quit stereotyping, and you’ll get me.
LOL*
I like Coulter. I’m for public option. I’m against EFCA. I LOVED Hillary. I like Palin alot. I’m against Cap-and-Trade. I was for the financial bailout. I was against the stimulus bill being pushed through too fast.
I think the mortgage plan was a joke. I don’t like Obama’s race politics. I think Biden is a turkey. And I think Barbara Boxer is a snippy, smug syncophant.
AnninCA on July 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Huck as a compromise? Sure, if our goal is the same as 2008, run some annoying faux-Republican and get our a**ses handed to us in a blowout, while congratulating our selves for finding a candidate who is capable of doing reach arounds across the aisle, Huck is awesome. If we wanted to abandon dignity and nominate an even more pointless cretin, we could go for Crist.
I love the advice I keep seeing. We’ve got to turn left, be more like Democrats. A second party espousing gay marriage, weak defense, and amnesty is pointless. you’re not going to peel away any people and you’re going to drive off a ton. But I think there are some things we can learn from the Democrats.
1. I like how the Democrats deal with ‘Mavericks’. They single them out, and then stomp them flat. They do their best to destroy them so they don’t drag the whole party off message.
2. No matter how wrong or crazy the position is (civil rights for terrorists) Democrats just beat the drum and won’t back off. They stay on message. It helps having the media behind you, but I admire the single mindedness in standing for something; your average moderate Repubic has as much spine as a pack of hotdogs. They change position on an issue if someone gives them a dirty look.
3. Somewhat tied to number 2, the Democrats aren’t afraid to keep batting around old policies. Some of their pet projects go back to the 1940′s. They don’t worry about reinventing themselves because their opponents tell them they should. They just keep ramming the same old stuff through over and over, even though it’s been proven not to work. The Repubics have some great policies that Ronald Reagan put in place, that stood the test of time, that worked to make this country great, but all we hear about is how we shouldn’t live in the past.
Unlike a lot of people here, I’m not looking forward to 2010. If we win anything, it’s going to be coincidence. The GOP has no cohesive message. There’s always been a reluctance to fight in the GOP, except with each other. That’s metasticized into this paralyzing debate about who we are that the media is gleefully stoking. When you see someone like Lindsey Graham, with his power in the Senate, talking about why he’s voting for Sonia the Wise, how can you feel any hope about the GOP at all?
The conservative base is going to get cr*pped on by either the Democrats or their own party in 2012. If we go the moderate way and nominate Huck, or George Hamilton out of Florida, we’re going to get hammered, no matter how bad Obama is. Either we learn the right lessons from the Democrats or we’re done for a very long time.
austinnelly on July 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Are you accusing me of profiling?! I’ll talk to your mama on the lawn about profiling.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM
for the trillionth time, Romney/Palin 12!!!!!
mod Dems on board, I speak for all of us now :0)
ginaswo on July 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Don’t you mean, if Romney couldn’t beat the McCain/Huck shenanigans in West Virginia…? That afternoon changed the 08 election and as far as I am concerned, Huck got Dear Leader elected. Romney is still a strong candidate, and has much to offer politically.
Remember, in 76, Reagan couldn’t beat Ford in the primary and he turned out to be a pretty good candidate in 80.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on July 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Does anyone here know Ann? An intervention is necessary. Today she sounds like one visit to the Reagan library away from a breakthrough.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
LOL
Blake on July 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Oh please. I’m just Ann.
By the way, I’m amazed at how I fall into polling. Generally, right in the pack.
Alas, I’m terribly moderate.
AnninCA on July 26, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Excellent post. But look what happens when the occasional Repub does speak plainly: DeMint is being urged to dial back on his Waterloo comments; Michele Bachmann is taken to the woodshed about intrusive census questions. Even Joe the Plumber is thrown under the bus.
We need another Contract with America that speaks to the tens of millions of voters who feel dissed by the elites of both parties. Term limits, build the wall, repeal cap n trade, repeal any healthcare bill that makes it through. There are dozens of issues that we could push, but it requires politicians who aren’t afraid of being “abrasive”.
Instead, what we have is a bunch of Ken dolls who are afraid of getting their hair mussed.
The only Repubs I can think of with any cojones are DeMint, Inhofe, Palin and Bachmann.
On the other side, there’s an endless list of vicious Leftists who are absolutely unafraid of engaging in the most virulent demagoguery.
guntotinglibertarian on July 26, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Ann, you’ve spent so much time here you’ve unwittingly conracted a case of common sense. God love ya.
guntotinglibertarian on July 26, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I’d love to see Ann Coulter as press secretary. If she was willing to take the pay cut for a couple of years she’d be perfect.
President: Sarah Palin
VP: Thaddeus McCotter
State: no contest. John Bolton.
Defense: David Petraeus
NSA: Fred Thompson
Education: abolished
HSS: abolished
Treasury: Jim DeMint
Interior: Ted Nugent
Homeland security: Robert Spencer
Justice: Miguel Estrada
Wouldn’t it be nice?
Jaynie59 on July 26, 2009 at 12:55 PM
I’m kinda leery about any of the Bush’s affirmative action buddies of color. Estrada might be the best of the lot, but after Powell, Rice and Gonzalez…let’s start fresh.
Robert Spencer at Homeland Security is an inspired choice, though.
guntotinglibertarian on July 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Bay Buchanan made excellent points. Coulter was just trying to shout everybody down and came across as ineffective. Palin has been on the national stage now for about a year. Why are her supporters still saying that she will learn about the issues?
Chekote on July 26, 2009 at 1:09 PM
No.
Palin sucks. Huck sucks. Period.
Levinite on July 26, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Agreed.
Levinite on July 26, 2009 at 1:11 PM
On what basis did you vote for barry? The guy has never even had a job, for chrissakes.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM
I did not vote for Barry. I voted and campaigned for the Mac/Palin ticket. It is really getting tiresome that unless one has pure adulation for Palin, they are treated as the enemies. I couldn’t care less about Obama’s qualifications. They are are moot point now since he is POTUS and in 2012, he will have four years experience as president.
Chekote on July 26, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Romney is a bureucrat – not a leader. Whether you like him or not Obama inspires his supporters – just like Palin does. Romney doesn’t. He would make a good Cabinet member – Sec of Commerce maybe.
katiejane on July 26, 2009 at 1:26 PM
that so many who claim to be conservative and rail against the msm swallow whole the msm narrative on certain issues. mccain could not talk with or without a telepromptor. barry can’t talk without a telepropmptor and his handlers in the wings. How about doing some research. There are all kinds of interviews of Palin before the last campaign where she speaks extemporaneously about lots of topics. She doesn’t hem and haw and contradict herself. Maybe some people get all wet and excited about ivy league graduates but the truth of the matter is that ivy league graduates make up less then 3% of the executives of Fortune 500 companies. I am sure there are good doctors and scientists coming out of the ivy league but the biggest influence that group of schools has is on politics and education. Two areas where we are screwed. I’m sorry, I’ve listened to both Palin and barry talk. Palin is an intelligent, deep thinking person. barry is a shallow limited ideologue who talks himself into nonsensical pretzels. I don’t need the media to tell me how I should think. I was and continue to be a Romney supporter but see the truth about Palin, she is smart, determined, hardworking and honest. And she loves America. Keep falling for the msm narrative which is often supported by the establishment republicans. Convince your friends. Maybe it will speed up the process and put this country out of it’s misery quicker.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Go find his speech about faith. It put that silly inconsequential “race” speech by barry to shame. Listen to his cpac speech. Then sit back and try to think of any other time you saw any speech of Romney’s covered. The msm was in the bag for mccain, that’s who they wanted as the republican nominee. The only time they spent on Romney was looking for dirt and all they found was that he once tied his dog kennel to the roof of his station wagon when his family took a car vacation. When that didn’t stick they got over it quick because it didn’t fit thier narrative of him as an out of touch rich guy. He sounded like clark griswold with a brain.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM
So did hitler and you see where that got germany. This country needs someone competent not someone who wins the biggest reality show of them all, “Who Wants To Be President”.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 1:48 PM
And now we have the elitists in the GOP pushing Romney and Huckabee on us…how’s that any worse than the MSM pushing McCain?
I think that Romney, Huckabee and McCain are all cut from the same mold…wishy-washy Republican Party Lite.
True, any three of the above would be way better than what we have now…or a Clinton, or a Carter, or a Dukakis, or a Gore, or a Kerry…
The only true conservative out there that I’ve been able to identify is Sarah Palin. I don’t think she’s an ultra-conservative either. I believe her to be more common sense than ideological.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 26, 2009 at 1:52 PM
OK. I’ll bite. Give me some concrete evidence of elitisits “pushing” Romney. I hear no such thing. I hear them pushing boehner toadies like eric cantor and paul ryan but I don’t hear them pushing Romney.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM
To be fair Romney has been in hiding since the beginning of July. Let me put it this way-if the GOP establishment is not pushing Romney then the MSM is doing a good enough job of doing that by showcasing all his surrogates as they one by one continue to dump on Sarah Palin.
technopeasant on July 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Palin and Palin alone can merge the party back into a fighting force, that will bury Obama and his gangster associates. Will she run for President? I don’t know yet, but you damn well better believe she will campaign for conservatives all across the country. She will bring crowds and enthusiasm to who ever has her in their corner. As to Coulter, she just might be the most effective against people like Frumm, besides she’s pleasant to look at.
jainphx on July 26, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I like Romney as my candidate atm but the only reason why Frum does not like Palin is because she isn’t part of the “academic elite”. She didn’t go the right schools and she doesn’t show up to the right parties. Frum defended Bush’s deficit spending, amnesty and failing pre-surge iraf war war policies, why the hell would I listen to him now?
Having said that, Palin needs to learn to talk coherently in interviews. She’s great off the cuff and at giving speeches, but what is her problem during interviews? She’s gotten better, but she can’t have any more repeats of the Couric interview even if it was a smear job by CBS.
Daemonocracy on July 26, 2009 at 2:20 PM
She thinking faster than she can speak. That’s why you’ll hear her start on something then interject something to define or qualify what she’s saying. That can have it’s advantages but for the general public she probably needs to consciously slow down when she’s talking.
darwin on July 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
OK, we’re listening. Go ahead and list those you consider Romney surrogates and when they dumped on Palin.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
First, did you borrow that schtick from AnninCA? She may want to sue you for poaching in her patch.
Second, your screed ignores two things;
1. That’s exactly what happened in 1980.
2. If conservatives come together behind a candidate, the so-called republican establishment will come along with them, without regard for whether the candidate is what you describe as a “social conservative.”
massrighty on July 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM
It was mccains people who were responsible for that. Palin and her team knew it wasn’t a good idea from the start and after the first day of interviews had been proven right. She was a good soldier and did what the mccain loser, professional, integrityless, political operatives told her to do.
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Trolling over here now?
massrighty on July 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Romney doesn’t stand a chance. Nobody in their right mind would vote for a practicing Mormon. Yes, I’m a Mormon bigot. I wouldn’t vote for a Scientologist, either. All religious people are stupid, but Mormons and Scientologists are downright nuts. And anyone who argues otherwise has no idea what either religion is about.
Jaynie59 on July 26, 2009 at 2:55 PM
All religious people are stupid? Alrighty then …
darwin on July 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM
You need to look up stupid in the dictionary.
Einstein? Copernicus? Martin Luther King?
Religious, not stupid.
Nope, you’re just a bigot.
And, “Mormon bigot” would imply that you were a mormon, who was also a bigot.
You may have meant “I harbor bigotry toward Mormon’s.”
Try harder.
massrighty on July 26, 2009 at 3:08 PM
peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Well said. You are on a roll on this thread.
thecountofincognito on July 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Well, that was a stupid conversation.
Frum is a complete idiot and Bay just seems like she does not like Sarah.
They do not even want to see what is going on. They sound like the Dems.
moski on July 26, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Why do “You gotta give David a word?” David got to filibuster uninterrupted for the majority of the clip.
Stupid.
29Victor on July 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM
29Victor on July 26, 2009 at 4:09 PM
UR SQUISHY!
(sorry. couldn’t resist.)
Interesting watch. On a side note, I think the “evangelicals all hate Mormons” train of thought is widely overblown. Personally I like Romney- I like his policies, i like his charisma.
I think Huck is just too weird and, frankly, he’s just not very likable.
Sarah is (God bless her) wonderful, but too many Americans think that you can’t be a good looking woman and be a competent leader. Ridiculous- yes. But still true. I would rather see her play a roll speaking out and getting the base excited about the party than see her disrespected the way she has been.
Jewels on July 26, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Picking on grammar mistakes means you have no argument. Thanks.
As for your list of religious people, you left Palin off your list. I’m willing to overlook some of her qualities because I like the rest character of her enough to discount them. Besides, there’s no way an atheist would ever be elected president.
I have much more respect for people who have principles they believe in, even if they are pretty stupid, than I have with liars who obviously pretend to believe something if they think it will get them elected. Like Obama. If anybody thinks Obama is religious, I’ve got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
Jaynie59 on July 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Last time I checked, holding a gun on a female to obtain sex was called rape. Only by raping her during her fertile days could someone be credibly accused of “forcing her to reproduce.”
Whatever you’re smoking is probably illegal.
platypus on July 26, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I don’t think he’s religious … but then again I’m religious and therefore stupid according to you.
I’m confused. If I’m stupid but agree with you … does that make me as smart as you or you as stupid as me?
darwin on July 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM
THAT is certainly going to leave a mark!
platypus on July 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Once again another fool who has not done his homework.
Sarah is a western libertarian/conservative who just happens to be a Christian.
She is the bigtent leader who have been looking for.
Let’s get on board and whoop the Dems in 2010 and then put her Rubio into the WH in 2012.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Frum blames Sarah for the division in the republican party? It’s guys like Frum who propagate the division by not finding a way in his mind for Sarah to be a part of the party.
csdeven on July 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM
I agree. Sarah inspires but she does so towards traditional Ameican values. And of course she’s competent based on all the stuff completed before her resignation. Her supporters will beg her to run if she is the biggest factor outside of the Dems in helping the GOP take back the House.
Sapwolf on July 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Palin resigns today, two years, seven months, and twenty-two days into her four year term.
Andrew Jackson resigned his Senate seat on October 14, 1825, after two years, seven months, and ten days in that six year term. For those keeping score, that’s exactly a dozen days fewer. You know what he did after that? He won the 1828 election for President, the first to do so in the “Democratic Party” faction he formed from the split the old “Democratic-Republican Party”.
Yes, that’s right, boys and girls. The founder of the Democratic Party resigned a longer term a dozen days earlier than Palin did. Now, who’s a quitter?
The Monster on July 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM
The Monster on July 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Nobody has accused Democrats of not being eager to cut and run. Not sure what this has to do with Republicans.
thecountofincognito on July 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM
The President manages the government not a theology department. Ike grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness and was able to run WWII before converting to a more mainstream faith.
dedalus on July 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Wow, Frum is dumb.
SouthernGent on July 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Sarah,
Here’s my plea.
FINISH THE FENCE! GET IT BUILT!
PRIVATE OR GOV’MNT
Shovel success down their throats.
Our prayers our with you and your family.
luvstotango on July 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM
O/T
RE: Gatesgate Obama and his stupid remark
Just spoke with my brother, a sargeant in LAPD for 25 yrs, former navy veteran.
I asked him, what are they’re saying out there in LAPD.
“What a jerk, he didn’t make any new friends.”
luvstotango on July 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM
There is a generational gap that you are missing. Older women get very, very upset over abortion, having been sold a bill of goods about it “being a woman’s right to choose.” Furthermore, they were at their most fertile in an era in which the Pill was not nearly as popular as it is now, condoms were not given out for free, and women were just moving into the working world.
The younger generation wonders why any woman would get pregnant in the first place (and tells her to stop being a stupid moron – please make the guy wear a condom before sleeping with him, sweetie), and, then, once pregnant, thinks that she ought to be able to finish her education and be a professional – as well as a mother.
We don’t see it as the government holding a gun to women’s heads; we understand that, in the twenty-first century, women CHOOSE to be pregnant, either through deliberate act or utter stupidity.
Roxeanne de Luca on July 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Hated Clinton, loved Bush, detest Obama. All these guys (particularly Obama), have had to depend somewhat on their Cabinet picks, or in Bush’s case, his VP, to help them out in foreign policy. Very few US Presidents have gone into office with much experience in this area, except maybe Gen’l Eisenhower and those that were Senators. Senators of course, were lacking in managerial skills, as most of them had never run a business or a state etc.
If a President goes into office with a good working knowledge, and is a quick study, they can manage quite well in foreign policy. Sarah Palin possesses the “right stuff” to succeed, should she ever run and be elected into the Presidency.
Why are Huckabee or Romney more qualified in foreign policy than she? They aren’t, and Obama most certainly is not, as all of us with half a brain knew before he was even elected, and have seen the last seven months.
Huckabee is a nice, decent, smart guy who makes a great talk show host, and perhaps a good Governor(?), but he is not right for President of the United States. If Republicans thought Dems gave Bush a hard time about his religion, what would they do to an ex-preacher?
As for Romney, also a nice, decent, very smart guy with two major things agaist him; 1) His Morman religion (ok by me, but not w/ everyone), 2) His healthcare program in the State of Mass. could hurt him w/ conservatives.
One great thing going for him; his economic knowledge, which is a big plus right now.
Sarah Palin is our best bet, at least for VP, if not President.
Susanboo on July 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Slightly OT:
I think the “Drink when AP captions a headline ‘What could go wrong’ rule” should be added to the Allahpundit Drinking Game.
Just throwing that out there.
Please continue.
SteakRules on July 27, 2009 at 6:09 AM
Talk about having your Frum up your bum…This guy must be up for The Golden Sphincter Award.
RandyChandler on July 27, 2009 at 9:03 AM
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