CBO does it again: Key ObamaCare cost-cutting proposal probably won’t save money
posted at 4:43 pm on July 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
I feel like … dancing down the aisle at a wedding or something.
A key House chairman and moderate House Democrats on Tuesday agreed to a White House-backed proposal that would give an outside panel the power to make cuts to government-financed health care programs. White House budget director Peter Orszag declared the plan “probably the most important piece that can be added” to the House’s health care reform legislation.
But on Saturday, the Congressional Budget Office said the proposal to give an independent panel the power to keep Medicare spending in check would only save about $2 billion over 10 years- a drop in the bucket compared to the bill’s $1 trillion price tag.
“In CBO’s judgment, the probability is high that no savings would be realized … but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized. Looking beyond the 10-year budget window, CBO expects that this proposal would generate larger but still modest savings on the same probabilistic basis,” CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf wrote in a letter to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on Saturday.
The sweetest part of this? Obama tried to strong-arm the CBO the last time they sent up a red flag about what an awful boondoggle his pet program will turn out to be. Here’s what he gets for trying things “the Chicago way.” Meanwhile, Ace has a thoughtful post about the scam of setting up an independent body to cut health-care costs when that body (b) isn’t really independent and (b) therefore won’t really cut costs. I’ll borrow our exit question from him: Is our monstrous new federal bureaucracy aiming to be merely deficit-neutral or to actually reduce deficits over the long haul by *giggle* lowering overall health-care spending (Medicare included)? Let me be clear: The One hasn’t been clear.
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But wait…didn’t Barack just say a couple of days ago he’d talked to the head of the CBO and all was cool? What happened?!
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Bob's Kid on July 25, 2009 at 4:46 PM
This is going to get ugly, Chicago style, but in a fun way. The charm offensive isn’t working. Aside from walking away and pretending it’s a victory, what will Obama do?
Terrie on July 25, 2009 at 4:49 PM
You judgmental righties . Bush wasted money on top of money in Iraq. You should just accept this.
/sarc
CWforFreedom on July 25, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Next time he better have Rahm break both legs. Message was not delivered.
chief on July 25, 2009 at 4:50 PM
In twenty-oh-nine Barry suffered quite a trip.
He fell on his face and busted up his lip.
The CBO said “Hey, not so fast!”
“Barry’s HCR is just a bunch of gas!”
Limerick on July 25, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Zogby now has nimrod at 48%
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Here is a piece worthy of the traditional Friday afternoon dump.
In a significant change, the Obama administration will now allow lobbyists to meet and have telephonic discussions with government officials regarding economic recovery projects.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-eases-stimulus-lobbyist-restrictions-2009-07-25.html
ICBM on July 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM
As Mark Levin has already posited:
So why don’t you lefties spend less than Bush?
David2.0 on July 25, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Elmendorf better get a body guard.
sheriff246 on July 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I love the Waterloo he’s experiencing but that ABBA song won’t stop playing in my head.
Gahhh!
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM
We inch closer to the inevitable.
lorien1973 on July 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Just in case …you did notice the /sarc?
CWforFreedom on July 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Actualy, Obama has been clear that all these changes would LOWER the costs of the entire healthcare system.
He just can’t seem to explain how.
Its like the Global Warmers who can’t explain how CO2 will continue to increase its Greehouse effect, when all the energy bands it uses are already being absorbed by existing CO2.
Sometimes its the simple questions, and their lack of an answer, that shows their true agenda.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Well… a Revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having….
V
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Obama to Elmendorf: “Ok, see, I know that you’re not from Chicago, but when I called you over and said, ‘That’s a nice job you got there, be a shame if anything ever happened to it,’ you were supposed to issue a new more positive report. See how that works? Ok. Let’s try this again. So, Doug, that’s a nice family you got there…any questions?”
Rational Thought on July 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
All we need now is for the democrats to go after gun rights.
darwin on July 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Elmendorf……R.I.P. “he was a good soul, who crossed the kenyan born, chicago trained, arugala eating messiah.
marktarheel on July 25, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Obviously the CBO is part of the tired old failed way of skipping into the flower filled sunny world of the future. There is no greater danger facing us ever in the history of the universe than the CBO, no challenge greater or more urgent than moving past the failed policy of attaching costs to goals.
MarkT on July 25, 2009 at 5:02 PM
The charm offensive backfired since that was the only point to preempt programming on Wednesday night to essentially say the same crap again. It would have failed even if the message didn’t get derailed talking about Gates and “his house.”
Assuming Congress doesn’t pass any sort of a plan in the next 13 days and goes away on their government paid month-long vacation, I suspect that some sort of less ambitious plan will be worked out where the filthy liar in the White House can claim the victory he desperately needs. That being said, the filthy liar is arrogant enough I can easily see him refusing to yield on the points that are causing his scheme to fail (like public plans and fining people for not being part of a plan).
highhopes on July 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Rahm is ordering extra horse-heads as we speak.
At this point I almost want Ogabe to tell America to shove-it while telling us that his plan will happen whether we like it or not.
Bishop on July 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM
How long before the democrats decide that the CBO “needs “reform and they complete gut and silence it?
KSgop on July 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Er … neither. Why would you even ask? This new un-Constitutional federal program would be organized to raise deficits. I thought that was obvious.
progressoverpeace on July 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
err, “needs reform” (misplaced the quotes there)
KSgop on July 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
3rd down 35 to go
Jeff from WI on July 25, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Wrong! The costs will be lower through greater competition in the marketplace which will reduce inefficiences and more than pay for the extra money that the middle class and employers will have to pay in the short term. Haven’t you been listening? How many times will the filthy liar in the White House have to explain this before you people start ignoring all those boring CBO graphs and focus on what is important. Michelle Obama’s arms and Bo. :-0
highhopes on July 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM
“an independent body to cut health-care costs when that body (b) isn’t really independent and (b) therefore won’t really cut costs.”
You forgot “(b) will require a high-paid czar and staff”.
KS Rex on July 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
A CBO Czar would come in handy right about now. I wouldn’t put it past President POS to actually create one.
Bishop on July 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Another Read my lips moment.
But wait, what’s that sound I hear from the MSM?
Why it’s the “Sounds of Silence” written in the mainstreams rags.
chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Have we finally reached the point where the president opens his mouth on a Monday and somebody slaps him down by Tuesday? The RNC needs to take lessons from the Harvard Police Dept. and the CBO. This is how you swat the flies.
sherry on July 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
They already are.
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Time for a desperation 3 point shot from half court.
Oops wrong sport.
chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
I am amazed at what I am hearing these days from staunchly liberal elderly who are dead set against Obama care. Brought this up today(hopefully coyly)at a local fair during coffee time just to test the waters. I sat there quite agape as one after the other they condemned this plan for various reasons. I was also amazed at how well informed most were on this particular issue. No question that these always vote, and always vote in their own self-interest—if I were a Blue Dog Dem my hands might be shaking a little.
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
I am still trying to figure out how you have 50 million more people going to the same amount of doctors. With this new plan, they are taking away the incentive for young people to go into the debt necessary to become a doctor. I am tired of the left being envious of anyone who makes something of themselves and is able to accumulate a little wealth. I thought that was part of the American dream. I forgot that we don’t want some people to feel bad because they didn’t have enough iniative to make something of themselves. We should all just have equal outcome with some people putting in all the effort and others just sitting around waiting on their piece of the pie.
TXMomof3 on July 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
/breaks into song…
Hello darkness my old freind….
I’ve come to talk to you agian…
(uh oh… I said darkness… is that RACCCISISSSTTTT yet?)
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I got news for you people. Don’t celebrate yet. Some kind of health care bill will come because too many groups want it. They each think they can benefit. Obama will pay them to sell you out. This from Fox News:
The drug industry, the American Medical Association, hospital groups and the insurance lobby are all saying Congress must make major changes this year. Television ads paid for by drug companies and insurers continued to emphasize the benefits of a health care overhaul — not the groups’ objections to some of the proposals.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/25/surprise-lobbyists-pushing-health-care-reform/
keep the change on July 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is proposing that?
Republican Peter King??????
darwin on July 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM
What are the overs/unders that lead becomes the currency of choice moments after that announcement.
chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Obama is hunting a way to fire the CBO Director as we speak.
Dire Straits on July 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Looks like it to me. RINO alert.
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I’ve heard this song more in the last 3 days than the last 30 years..LOL..
Hear..for a change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4_2TGXZubQ&feature=related
Jeff from WI on July 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
One of the little hidden gems of this plan that most people don’t know… is that a large portion of the uninsured are young very healthy adults. They CHOOSE not to pay for health insurance at this time of their life, because they are trying to get themselves ahead in life, and see it as a calculated risk.
Forcing thses folks to pay for insurance when they do NOT use the Doctors, will spread the health care burden to them.
Unconstitutional and UnAmerican, but thats part of their thinking.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Those silly geese. They haven’t learned anything. Gun rights are going to be destroyed by the EPA. Guns are, obviously, greenhouse gas producers of the worst sort and will fall under the new “pollution” regulations – you know, the “pollution” that plants live off of. That was how California forced their insane regulations on autos and how the new CAFE standards were argued (not to save oil but to stop CO2 emmissions).
Guns are just the next target of climate change. You laugh … but you’ll see.
progressoverpeace on July 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Well, let’s just see how much of his base disappears when you tell some 18 year old pimply faced kid working at McDonald’s making minimum wage, that he’ll be fined if he doesn’t pay for his ObamaCare. That oughta go over really well.
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM
What did you expect? As we all know, the CBO has a long history of racial profiling. /sarcasm
Robert_Paulson on July 25, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Thanks for the ABBA, ALLAH!
D2Boston on July 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Anytime the wealth of Americans can be reduced it is seen as an opportunity to Dems.
CWforFreedom on July 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
While I hope you are seriously wrong, me-thinks that you have read the
tea-leavesCO2 molecules correctly.chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I have been saying for months now, if you want to kill Obamacare get the elderly fired up and on your side. There is no single voting block in the country more feared than the elderly, because they ALWAYS VOTE, there is never a question of whether they will turn out. Blue Dogs should be quaking in their boots . . .
Govgirl on July 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Ah, but thats part of their plan… he won’t pay, McDonalds will, even for part time workers.
Of course, what that really means is he won’t have a job as it will be more cost efficient to hire more full time workers than part timers… but he’ll never know why that job didn’t exist in the first place…
Of course, then HE will have to pay for his own health insurance or get nailed for a Tax liability… on his non existant wages.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Question: Will the Welfare Queens have to pay for ObamaCare? No?
That’s what I thought.
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Govgirl on July 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Now that the aging Babyboomers are getting the idea that this plan is really a plan to do away with the elderly population, it ought to scare them to death. Denying care based on the calculation of how much you have left to contribute to the pot is sickening. You can pay in your whole life, but once you are too old, you become expendible to these monsters.
TXMomof3 on July 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Give the rest of us a chance to play. Quit answering your questions. :)
chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
The logical and inevitable end product of pragmatist philosophy.
chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Now THAT was funny.
bloggless on July 25, 2009 at 5:28 PM
LOLOL
Jeff from WI on July 25, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Aain, who is going to tell Granny? I guess the old folks figure that if Ted Kennedy can qualify, anyone can qualify.
bloggless on July 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
I can actually picture Rahm on the phone calling in a double order this week.
bloggless on July 25, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Keep digging that hole, Barry! Got Rahm thinking of ways to keep Congress in session rather than go home? Here’s a thought: EMERGENCY! SWINE FLU QUARANTINE! EMERGENCY!
That should do it! Keep all those pesky citizens from contacting their Reps and letting them know their dead meat if they vote for ObamaCare.
GarandFan on July 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM
I thought McDonalds had to pay for his health care. The fact that his chances of getting ahead in life will be severely minimized or may even disappear under these new restrictions will be lost on him right now possibly.
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
bloggless on July 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
The irony of the thing is that Teddy under the new plan would be told to take a pill and shutup. Of course, liberals with wealth (or Senators who are not going to have to partake in this crappy plan) can afford to go outside the system for their care.
TXMomof3 on July 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I agree. That’s why I think 1st Marne is much more appropriate than the Waterloo references. He may be grinding to a halt for now on commie-care and cap and tax, but he’ll be back, and back, and back again over the next 3-1/2 years.
forest on July 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
The CBO showed up at the White House and told Pinnochio he doesn’t smoke dope or drink the koolaid, but thanks for the offer!
dhunter on July 25, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Rahm has to be subtle, yet convincing. Hmmmmm……how about North Korea? Where is that damn button? THAT BUTTON!
bloggless on July 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Man, I knew I had an adolescent crush on these ladies for a reason back in the 70′s. I remember the K-Tel record commercial they’d pitch ABBA on… Ahh, nostalgia.
Back to the issue.
Obamacare is hastily devised legislation and we (conservatives) have to go the second and third steps in effectively killing this. A full exposure of all aspects of this bill must be performed. A full showing of the second and third order effects of this legislation must be known. Any less is not a national service, the left shall only shelf it until the political wind allow it to be stepwise implemented through other legislation—read S-Chip.
ted c on July 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Yeah, they’ll pass some sort of watered-down version of reform so the One can save face. It will just do enough damage too…
JAM on July 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I’ve been following this closely but none of it makes sense. One day it’s “everyone has to pay their fair share”. “If you choose not to be insured through your employer you will pay 2.5% in extra taxes”. Then the “employers will have to pay”. Who exactly IS going to pay? Has this been adequately explained?
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Wag that dog, Rahm!
TXMomof3 on July 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Aain, who is going to tell Granny?
‘Granny’ knows. I suspect this may become clear in the next two election cycles. Any politician who underestimates the elderly vote is a fool.
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM
bloggless on July 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Please everyone bombard Nancy’s inbox. I did this the other day and plan on doing it everyday this week.
Subject: OBAMA/PELOSICARE
Email body: YOU FIRST!
Sincerely, Mrs. X
JAM on July 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM
“ObamaCare explained in less than 2 minutes”
This came from another poster mizflame98 on July 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM on another thread. Funny and chilling all rolled into an Obama happy ball.
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Got me!!! The whole thing is smoke and mirrors and the only safe option is to fight it with ones dying breath if necessary(may come sooner than one thinks LOL). I have been spending a lot of time e-mailing my pols and coercing my family to do so. NH went for McCain so that while Hodes is not a Blue Dog, he’s skating on thin ice.
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Well, I think we can give the CBO a little more credit than that. In fact I think it undercuts the argument about the abject awfulness of the “President’s”* health insurance “reform” “plan” if we assume CBO has a retaliatory streak.
______
* Scare quotes here as he’s completely abdicated his responsibilities (as with the stimulus), not because I have any doubts as to his political legitimacy…
DrSteve on July 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM
And Obama is ordering extra buses.
NoFanofLibs on July 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Those silly geese. They haven’t learned anything. Gun rights are going to be destroyed by the EPA. Guns are, obviously, greenhouse gas producers of the worst sort and will fall under the new “pollution” regulations – you know, the “pollution” that plants live off of. That was how California forced their insane regulations on autos and how the new CAFE standards were argued (not to save oil but to stop CO2 emmissions).
Guns are just the next target of climate change. You laugh … but you’ll see.
progressoverpeace on July 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Not to mention lead poisining.
Archimedes on July 25, 2009 at 5:43 PM
My understanding after trying to read through the various bills…
If you have a job, even part time, your employer will pay for your health care, or get hit with a Tax.
If you are self employed, unemployed, or your employer does not cover you (chooses to pay the tax) then you are hit with an extra Tax if you don’t buy health insurance.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 5:43 PM
That’s not a visual I would want bouncing around my gray cells.
chemman on July 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
So, either way small business and the regular Joe is going to get smacked. Brilliant move in the middle of an economic “crisis”. I HOPE we CHANGE this fugged up plan.
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Obama to CBO:
You’re going to destroy my presidency.
Oh he said that to Blue Dogs…
or was it some other group
ted c on July 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
On the subject of the elderly vote: We already have Medicare, we don’t want it changed. We don’t want it cut. We don’t want it rationed. We don’t want any bluuuudy counseling unless we ask for it. Selfish? Yup!! and that’s how we’ll vote. See, and you thought entitlement programs were all bad. Heh!
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
A better exit question(?):
Does Barry save the costs of this year’s annual proctologic exam since he has been probed in that area so much by the CBO?
They certainly have been telling him, sort of, to shove a lot of his claims up his a$$.
Yoop on July 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
They, like the low-income illegal aliens who sign up for ObamaCare, will be paying for it with the “tax credits” that they receive from the U.S. Treasury. The term “tax credits” sounds less objectionable to taxpayers than “welfare payments,” but that’s what they are.
And those young people who are going to be forced to buy insurance may not know it yet, but they’re going to be paying through the nose for private policies. The House bill restricts the way the market can rate policies. Usually in the free market, a young person’s policy would be relatively cheap, because their risk of needing expensive coverage is low. But the government is not going to allow the usual market mechanisms to work, and young people are going to end up paying a lot more than they otherwise would have. Just one of many unpleasant little surprises Uncle Sugar has in store for the ignorant masses.
AZCoyote on July 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Send in the Chicago thug ballerina. Everything be cool.
UnEasyRider on July 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
The Obama Regime won’t let the facts, polls, or will of the people get in their way.
wildcat84 on July 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Obama called a national press conference last wednesday night so he could explain the details.
I watched, but all I heard was “Let me be perfectly clear”. He wasn’t clear about anything. Zero details. Nada. Well, until he got to the part about the white police officer arresting his african-american friend- on that point, he was crystal clear..
I almost feel badly for the 18-25 year old group who voted en masse for Obama; they are for the most part, un-insured and will now have to pay up!
TN Mom on July 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Obama’s economic thuggery is going to force large chunks of the economy underground by doing stuff like that.
People in that situation will simply work for cash. And people will gladly employ people for cash. Why not? That’s how the illegals get paid.
wildcat84 on July 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
One wonders when the kool aid will wear off.
wildcat84 on July 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Considering that the elderly vote in much higher percentages than any demographic, and are the fastest growing, you’d think that “throw granny under the Obamacare bus” would fail them.
But, you can’t discount the fact that liberals don’t think nor vote rationally.
wildcat84 on July 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Just down the road I will be contemplating the age of 70. I should consider turning into that very grumpy old man I’m expected to be.
I will then sit on my porch and look forward to some ACORN-like muppet showing up to give me some end-of-life counseling.
So that they might better understand that segment of their job I might consider showing them exactly what a near encounter with end-of-life might be like. ;-)
Yoop on July 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Ah, but part of the bill, believe it or not, opens business bank accounts to the Gov on a real time basis, so they can “monitor” payments for health care.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Speaking of illegals, they will be eligible to sign up for the public option (paid for by U.S. taxpayers, of course), but if they choose not to sign up for it, they are specifically exempted from the requirement — imposed on all U.S. citizens — that they purchase private coverage or else pay a fine.
Nice deal for them, right? They get coverage if they want it (at our expense), but they’re not penalized (like we are) if they decide they don’t want it.
Isn’t “social justice” just grand?
AZCoyote on July 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
it is clear that he is lost . . . totally, utterly, completely lost. This is really getting sad. He is walking through a mine field without a map and the best he can do is stick his fingers in his ears. He’s destroying the country with his inept, incompetent ideas and insane plans.
rplat on July 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
O is now going to tax us all to pay for it—the middle class who voted for him because they were promised tax cuts will be thrown under one of the largest busses in O’s shoddy bus history. Remember the lady who was going to get free gas and a free house or something. Well, shut up mam and pay the piper.
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
True. However, if his poll numbers keep falling, the Democrats on the hill will not let the Obama Regime get in their way of being re-elected. They will drop him like a hot potato! If they keep the majority – or the GOP takes the lead – either way, Obama will be a lame duck.
Waterloo!
TN Mom on July 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
The kool aid is diluted with each daily obama drama..
TN Mom on July 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
wildcat84 on July 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
You set me to thinking aobut something that is sure to happen under O’s scenario. The old ‘pay me under the table in cash’ ploy will become nearly universal. Oh no sir, I do not have any income. Or, oh no IRS, I do not have any employees. The good old American way bless all our hearts!
jeanie on July 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM
When their paycheck from Mom & Pop’s Corner Store is short so that young Chase can pay for old Jose’s medical bills. That’ll go over well. I just know it will.
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Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
“GET OFF MY LAWN”
Key West Reader on July 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
We all know Obamacare has nothing to do with either health care or with saving money. The Hoodlum-in-Chief will do whatever it takes for his power grab. The CBO better watch its collective back. They are prime target #1 of the dictator and his minions.
Look for some sort of political burning of the Reichstag with blame landing at the feet of the CBO or continued attempts to link the CBO to Bush, McCain or Republicans in general.
mankai on July 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
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