Video: Police union demands an apology from Obama, Patrick
posted at 1:36 pm on July 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Does the union for the Cambridge police department read Hot Air? That was the first reaction from College Politico, who thought that their response to Barack Obama’s nationally-televised criticism of them as stupid amply demonstrated the ignorance of the issue that Obama professed. The union demanded an apology from both President Obama and Governor Deval Patrick for jumping to a very public conclusion, and they argue, the wrong one:
I’ve remarked at least twice on the blog that if you have to start off a sentence with “I wasn’t there and I don’t have all the facts,” the only correct conclusion to it is “so I have nothing to say about it at the moment.” Did they read that here? Actually, I rather doubt it. It’s pretty much a common-sense rule, which makes Obama’s failure to understand it quite indicting.
Update: That point applies equally to all sides, actually. I don’t know that Sergeant Crowley handled this properly; I don’t know whether Henry Gates was so disruptive that he had to be arrested; and even if Crowley didn’t handle this properly (which I also don’t know), I have even less knowledge of whether that came from some racial animus or just bad judgment in reaction to verbal abuse. In that situation, it’s better to let the city complete its own investigation to determine what happened — which is exactly what Barack Obama and Deval Patrick should have done before leaping to conclusions on all of these counts.
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How many times was O asked “wtf were you thinking?”
He wasn’t .That is too often the problem.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
BTW, William F. screwed up somewhere or son Christopher wouldn’t have voted for NObama so eagerly.
Also, do some reading about how WFB cut his own grandson (Christopher’s illegitimate child) out of his will explicitly, I assume because he disliked the child’s mother.
Buckley wasn’t that great a guy, no matter what you or Rush say, so to say that WFB would snort at us with derision doesn’t phase me (He was a snob!)
He may have schooled Goldwater, Reagan and even Rush, but they put Conservatism in a lot more attractive and accessible form than he was.
And I don’t trust NRO–cancelled my subscription some years ago because their writing staff is full of squishy moderates.
Jenfidel on July 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM
So, we all must have just imagined it when the head of the Montcalm County, NJ police union said that in their next contract negotiations they’d be asking for professional courtesy of traffic stops for spouses and family members of LEOs.
Also, all the cops who have defended giving other cops a break on traffic stops saying that all professions extend some kind of professional courtesy, well, they must have been lying.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Was equality banned today? She suddenly disappeared in the thick of things, or was she scheduled to run the fryer at Mickey D’s 2nd shift? Last I heard from her was in the Albright thread where she admitted she was ashamed to be an American.
OmahaConservative on July 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM
ps
You contradict yourself
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Rokemronnie,
OK, I’m finished with the bash directed at you. To get back on topic though, was it your position that it was something similar to entrapment by walking outside?
anuts on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
anuts ….. don’t bother . This idiot wants nothing to do with the hard questions . He would rather bloviate.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM
How do we not know of some thieves were not in fact in the house when all this went down? Heck it would not surprise me if the prof went and found stuff missing and is now too embarrassed to admit it. More likely though he just wanted a chance to prove his life’s work right.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Lack reading comprehension, do you? I said that I can say whatever I want to, as long as no other criminal or civil laws are being broken. Freedom of speech is not absolute. Verbal abuse, as long as it stays on this side of assault is protected speech. Libel is not protected speech.
I realize that nuance makes binary folks nervous.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I see that hard questions make you not only nervous but also very silent on issues that really matter in this thread.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I’m actually surprised he hasn’t linked to his store’s website yet. Probably thought we didn’t fit his customer profile.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Skip geometry and algebra, did you?
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Ha. Seriously. I seen a homeless person have a more engaged conversation with a brick wall than is possible with that guy.
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Pssst there is a good chance that Libtired is not even on line right now.
Now again tell me how the Prof did not follow the cop?
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM
See Obama’s moon slink down in the sky
Every dream he spins you is a lie
Here’s the one bitter lesson of Obama’s history
His foul soul should no longer be a mystery
His many faces change
What you thought you knew grows ever more strange
And he has so many faces
His real self often erases
With all those lies dancing in his eyes!
PercyB on July 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Drudge’s new headline for all of this…
HOT MESS
Ah, today was a good day. Also take a look at the red headline about the Blue Dogs being pissed about Waxman.
MobileVideoEngineer on July 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Hmmm even the black officer on the scene as well as a whole group of non-white officers have come out in support of the officer. Seems to me that this officer’s history supports the fact that he is a good and honorable man. Too bad far too many people side with a man who has made race his “occupation”.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Regarding the black officer on the scene:
Per the AP:
Who do I trust? Lashley or Ronnie? That is easy
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM
and that friends is where prejudice becomes bigotry.
Fighton03 on July 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Obama respects Cambridge cops, from WND:
According to the Somerville Times in 2007, as a Harvard Law School student, Obama got 17 parking tickets during 1989-1991 from the Cambridge Police Department that he left unpaid until just weeks before he announced his bid for the presidency.
“In other words, as a practicing lawyer in Chicago, he allowed these tickets and penalties to remain unpaid; as an Illinois state senator he allowed these tickets and fines to remain unpaid; and as a United States senator he allowed these almost-two-decade-old signs of his disdain for the law to remain unpaid,” commented John LeBoutillier on Newsmax.com.
The Washington Post said two years ago that the tickets included parking without a proper permit and parking in a bus stop.
The Associated Press reported in 2007 that Obama’s “healthy stack” of parking tickets was finally paid, including late fees, “two weeks before he officially launched his presidential campaign.”
Said Jen Psaki, spokeswoman for Obama’s campaign during his race to the White House, “He didn’t owe that much and what he did owe, he paid. … Many people have parking tickets and late fees.”
califdreamnred on July 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM
You lose the bet.
Haven’t smoked any pot in a while? Like the New Riders sang,
Ev’ry year along about this time it all goes dry.
Fair skinned, but have a decent tan because I cycle a lot. I’m of Middle Eastern origin and don’t identify with European culture.
Live in the suburbs, but don’t have a problem with cities. If I had my druthers and lots of money, I’d have a place in the UP and some kind of Shabbat apartment or home down here.
No iPhone. I admire Apple’s product design – really intuitive and clever, but I’m not a member of the Apple Cult/Steve Jobs Fanclub. I use a simple Motorola 315. No video, no 3G, no apps. I can be a bit of a retrogrouch. I like technology but there’s no need to switch to new if old works just fine. I have a tubed Fisher FM tuner and still use my dad’s 45 year old circular saw.
Alpha? Beta? Who cares? I’m secure in my manhood. Had a bar mitzvah, fathered and raised children.
While I know how to steam milk and make cappuccino, that’s just because my ex likes coffee and I learned how to run the espresso gizmo. I’m not a coffee drinker nor brewer. I think I’ve been to Starbucks maybe twice in my life.
Big time fail on that bet. Maybe 1/2 a point out of a possible six.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Look at RONNIE
still going back almost two hours ago to search out meaningless posts rather than address the hard issues.
Laughable.
Is this the type of stuff they pay you to write? Don’t answer.I really don’t care.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM
BO is the biggest of all the fails and since you condone what he said and are actually defending Gates and BO while at the same time the rest of the country (including his black partner) are defending the Officer, that makes your fail a fail of stratospheric proportions.
MobileVideoEngineer on July 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Anyone see Gibbs completely avoid the reporter’s question about how the questions are screened beforehand and that Obama had time to think of his response beforehand?
Weak.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Here I am pointing out the officers of different races support the officer yet Ronnie is digging up 2 hour old posts. I have pointed out that the Prof did in fact follow the officer. I have noted that the idiots have not addressed the fact that for all the Prof knew a burglar may have been in the house when he arrived home. I see however these issues matter not. Ronnie would rather address: “I bet you he is a pot smoking, pasty white, city dwelling, IPhone using, beta-male barista in a place were lots of people who write get their coffee.” Seems you are a little thin skinned Ronnie aka king of the bloviators.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Ronnie went to the Obama School of It’s Not About ME.
califdreamnred on July 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Even BO admitted today that the Prof acted stupidly.
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM
rokemronnie- Regarding unions, you never addressed the fact that officers are not required to be in one to work for the department. Or even to belong to one union. I know some that are both FOP and PBA members.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Why is it that trolls always hijack the conversation and eventually bring it around to talking about themselves? Why is it that some encourage it by giving them the one thing they crave- attention?
Monica on July 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM
It’s what Ive been saying since yesterday.
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Like I said, I’m surprised he hasn’t promoted his website yet. He’s already repeated a behavior from last year of requesting IP addresses of posters.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I usually don’t say anything to them unless I have a point and I make sure that I put my point in the post (i.e. the point about the black Officer agreeing with the arrest).
Of course that probably doesn’t matter to him be eh, whatev.
MobileVideoEngineer on July 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Did I just scroll by an E-Harmony questionnaire? I just finished reading this thread and I’m a little confused.
sherry on July 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I cannot imagine on what basis you make that statement.
Having actually seen WFB interact with hundreds of people, young and old, from almost every social stratum, I can tell you he was anything but snobbish.
I still subscribe to NR, but I do feel it hasn’t been as sharp since WFB – and especially since John O’Sullivan – stepped away from the helm.
Say what you like about WFB, but it’s impossible to imagine an American conservative movement over the past 60 years.
I couldn’t care less about his familial squabblings…you could say the same about Reagan or Rush.
But enough…
guntotinglibertarian on July 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM
This will leave a mark.
Mr. Joe on July 24, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Make fun of the ShamWow all you want but it’s successful. My guess is that Vince Shlomi makes a bit more money than you do. Can you afford $1000 hookers?
Ironically, I just pitched Telebrands on an idea of mine. I’ll know next week if I made the cut for their inventors’ open house.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Well, last night, while we all slept, a United States Border Patrol Agent was shot to death while tracking illegal aliens/drug smugglers outside of Campo, California.
While we argue the pissing match between a racist Harvard professor and the police union, can we say a prayer for this brave agent, Robert Rosas, who was a three year veteran of the patrol and is survived by his wife, his two year old son, and 11 month old daughter. Those that don’t pray, please call your government representatives and demand that they finally support the US Border Patrol and help them secure the border. It is time.
HornetSting on July 24, 2009 at 6:27 PM
If you’re really a police officer than I worry about how reliable a witness you are. I never said you were dumb, nor have I accused you of violating anybody’s rights.
But I’m the one with thin skin.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM
“This Harvard professor is a black racist who believes that he is not subject to the same laws that the rest of us are subject to. He is the racist – not the cop for enforcing the law and doing the job he has been hired for – to investigate a reported crime.”
—a comment from the Boston area…
ted c on July 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Are we all so sure that the tapes will be released? The one union official said they support Crowley 100%, and Gates can be heard screaming in the background as Crowley is trying to radio into his command that everything seems to be OK and that Gates is the occupant of the house. So, I am just a little skeptical that the tapes won’t be labeled as “inconclusive” or something similar and disappear forever. Sorry, I didn’t grow up cynical, just grew into it naturally in the past 2 years or so.
oldoldbabs on July 24, 2009 at 6:30 PM
stimulus = FAIL
GM bailout = FAIL
NATO to Afghanistan = FAIL
Iranian nukes = FAIL
BO presidency = EPIC FAIL
Fighton03 on July 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM
One of the first lessons I taught the young officers assigned to me was to observe the behavior of people. If their behavior was out of sync with the situation it should raise a red flag.
When an officer acts in a professional and courteous manner but, the subject responds in an overly emotional, confrontational way, it’s a safe bet that they are exposing some of their own emotional baggage.
Observing Prof. Gates’ reaction and the immediate use of the race card reveals a lot about him. For a college professor to behave like an immature ghetto snipe it does not speak highly of his stability. Do Harvard professors need “street cred”?
walkingboss on July 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM
No, you accused ALL police of violating rights. So I guess that would include me. You also inferred that I’m using the city’s computer to go online. Baseless and pointless. You said most posters here can’t comprehend nuance (John Kerry would be proud), but you’re condescending tone throughout was more than enough to allow for the view that you feel you are more intelligent than others here. Hence my use of the word “inferences.”
But feel free to worry about my qualifications as a witness.
By the way, I never said you were thin-skinned. Just that you needed to get over yourself. I stand by that comment.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Prayers are ascending for his family.
OmahaConservative on July 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM
TMI, ronnie, way too much. No one here gives a $hit.
OmahaConservative on July 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Good luck on your invention.
And afterward, let us all hope you won’t be so busy with Shlomi’s $1000.00 hookers that you don’t have time to come and entertain us with your unique voice.
Lily on July 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Unless you’re stupid, you should be able to find the sites I write for, since I mentioned them by name. Certainly one of your buddies here has already tried fucking with my job at PJM, which is a hoot since they know they are paying an opinionated guy for his opinion. My editor there forwarded it to me along with a note reminding me to send in my invoice so I can get paid. He’s got no problem with me based on my actions here.
So when the left tries to destroy Joe The Plumber that’s heinous (and it truly is) but when you authoritarians try to fuck with someone’s job, that’s just fine.
Messing with someone’s job has been considered bad nettiquette since the early days of the net.
Oh, and preemptively, checking an IP address to see if public employees are playing online on taxpayers’ time is not fucking with someone’s job. It’s called being a whistleblower on corruption. In any case, I just said to check the IP, not to contact his boss.
If you don’t like the language, kish mir yiddishe tuchas.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Ronnie my boy
I see you continue to only address the unimportant minutia.
Says a lot about ya
CWforFreedom on July 24, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Only if they’re corrupt or tolerate corrupt cops. According to Jack Dunphy, a cop who writes for National Review, most cops, 80% he says, aren’t good cops.
Even though I may despise someone for their current behavior (like some Democrats), I thank them for their service, as I do all veterans.
What someone does today doesn’t diminish the value of what they did yesterday. It may tarnish their character a little, though.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Oh, and I checked w/ Allah and Ed and they didn’t express any objections to what I’ve posted here.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:10 PM
why are you defending a racist pseudo-professor ? the cop has done all by the book
runner on July 24, 2009 at 7:14 PM
With no reason to believe it is happening except for the fact that these people are online and disagree with you. But if baseless accusations are your thing…
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Can’t you read???
I never defended Gates, other than saying he’s a serious historian. I specifically called him a race pimp. I said Obama was imprudent to say what he said.
Short version for those with poor reading skills:
Gates= race pimp
Obama = gaffe maker
Cop = had to win big swinging dick contest
You folks really put stock in what a fellow officer says? Yeah, like he’s going to publicly commit professional suicide.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Gates= race pimp – fact
Obama = gaffe maker – fact
Cop = had to win big swinging dick contest – rokemronnie opinion
runner on July 24, 2009 at 7:19 PM
So the folks who felt the need to make personal attacks, they didn’t make it about me.
Okeee dokey.
Do women circle jerk too?
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:20 PM
You are one ugly dude and full of crap to boot. Take your hateful arse somewhere else.
Gonna sue me now?
Knucklehead on July 24, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I hope you never have to testify in court, because you’re a terrible witness.
I’m not sure what you are talking about from last year, I have better things to do than obsessively look up year old blog posts just to hurl feces. As for today, I never requested any IP addresses. I suggested to the site managers to check your IP to see if it was assigned to a government agency.
You have inadvertently proved a point about cops and the truth. While you didn’t exactly lie, you didn’t exactly tell the truth either. Kinda shaded things a bit. Just like cops do on police reports.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:24 PM
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Man, there is seriously something wrong with you. Considering that you passed on a little too much personal information including the fact that there’s an “ex”, I gotta tell you, I’m not surprised.
sherry on July 24, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Show me where I’ve defended Gates other than his standing as a historian.
Gates was wrong. The cop was more wrong. Sure he followed the book, his training and the “corporate” culture of his organization, all of make sure that no cop ego is ever bruised without recrimination.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Here’s a personal attack for ya Ronnie: Naive, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Annietxgrl on July 24, 2009 at 7:31 PM
If police unions are irrelevant, what’s this thread about?
Know any cops who would cross a FOP or PBA picket line?
Speaking of the FOP, why do police unions sell those stickers to people to put on their cars? There’s no implication that if they have a FOP support sticker on their car they might get a break during a traffic stop, is there? I’m skeptical that they work, it’s just a
scamfundraising effort, but I’m guessing that more folks with FOP stickers get a pass than folks with Screw Authority stickers.rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Hey, when this new comment system goes into place, heh, can we get an igonore feature?
I know it drives the post count up, but I think you guys need to bust out the ban stick when these jakovasaurs hijack threads.
reaganaut on July 24, 2009 at 7:36 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/08/time-for-another-irans-nuke-capabilities-growing-ever-more-advanced-post/
And by the way, suggesting that AP check the IP address of myself and other posters would qualify as a request.
“Main Entry: call for
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: demand; entail
Synonyms: ask for, inquire, involve, lack, necessitate, need, occasion, request, require, suggest, want”
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/suggest
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 7:40 PM
From a person who refuses to answer any questions that’s a real hoot. At least in court if you were a witness and behaved the way you do here the judge would throw your ass in jail for contempt.
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Oh, and still waiting on that endorsement from Allahpundit for your behaviour….
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 7:43 PM
That’s pretty impressive, but you really didn’t need to go thru all that trouble.
Ronnie can’t even remember what he posted in this thread, let alone last year.
Is the moron still denying the goofy threat of legal action/bills against Bishop? I’d look for myself, but Jerry’s bloviating is quite boring.
Knucklehead on July 24, 2009 at 7:44 PM
My husband has been racially profiled and yes we need to address profiling as a whole, but gotta say it’s pretty bad when a respected professor of Harvard uses his own race to excuse his own boorish behavior. We all have bad days. We’ve all said some things that in retrospect were unfair; for Professor Gates to continue to claim racial profiling when in fact it probably wasn’t (based on the multiple witnesses)only diminishes his complaint.
Annietxgrl on July 24, 2009 at 7:45 PM
One last thing… after only 2 threads of 9 plus pages… thanks for finally starting to include names and time stamps on your quotations.
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Who said that unions are irrelevant?
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM
If you’re going to quote Dean Wormer, at least do it accurately.
I may be narcissistically impaired with some psychopathic behaviors, but nobody who knows me has ever said that I’m stupid. Though I like a good single malt scotch at simchas, I’ve probably been drunk less than 1/2 dozen times in 40 years.
As for naive, I’m to cynical to be naive.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM
YOU demand the right to speak as you please, cop or no cop, law or no law, yet we must shut up when YOU deem etiquette demands it.
YOU insist the cops owe you deference because YOUR taxes pay cop wages, yet explode when your customers DARE exert economic pressure to yank your leash.
I think you’re the real binary guy here…there’s Rokemronnie and there’s everybody else.
YOU
Chris_Balsz on July 24, 2009 at 7:47 PM
As Obama has to do back flips on Skip “Mr. Chips” Gates, Nancy Pelosi is rolling metal balls in her hand and ranting about strawberries.
Schadenfreud.
Mr. Joe on July 24, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Well I don’t know you..so calling you fat could be highly inaccurate in addition to being offensive. Drunk too, so my apologies for that. Stupid? Again don’t know you but from reading your posts you sound very naive.
Annietxgrl on July 24, 2009 at 7:50 PM
It’s interesting that you had to do a reverse thesaurus search to find the slimmest sliver of an excuse. In common usage, a reasonable person would consider the words demand, ask for, need, want, require, and request to connote something asked to be received. You know damn well what you meant and now you’re trying to wiggle out of it.
So if I see you on the street and demand your wallet, that’s merely an inquiry?
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Nice gymnastics… he still caught you in a lie and you don’t have the balls to admit it.
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 7:58 PM
He cited Pareto’s principle in the context of New Orleans cops who bailed when Katrina hit.
So what percentage of cops do you think are competent?
What percentage are incompetent?
What percentage are corrupt or criminal?
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 7:58 PM
You’ll be hearing from my attorney.
LibTired on July 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM
too.
Just piling on.
daesleeper on July 24, 2009 at 8:00 PM
It’s not a lie. I openly admitted suggesting to AP to check the IP logs. I never requested them for myself.
As for the incident last year, I asked about Dave742 because I thought he was a sockpuppet.
I’m touched that you folks are spending so much time trying to find fault with me. You’re really the milk of human kindness. Jesus would be so proud of you.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Hahaha… too funny. He claims to be too cynical to be naive and yet he’s so naive that he thinks throwing out all of this random information about himself makes him look important and respected while everyone is just laughing at him.
I call that pretty naive.
MobileVideoEngineer on July 24, 2009 at 8:03 PM
It’s a question. Not a false statement of fact, so it’s not actionable. Heck, it’s not even in the form of when did you stop beating your wife. I just asked if you skipped algebra and geometry because you had an interesting notion of what a proof is.
I’ll be happy to talk to your attorney per your request. I charge $500/hr or fraction thereof for consulting. Any contact from your attorney will constitute acceptance of this binding offer.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Why would women want to circle jerk? We can take care of ourselves nicely and the scenery is such that there’s no need to watch another, as is clearly your preference with your pals. It’s getting late, the chat rooms are filling up fast so you should scamper along.
Monica on July 24, 2009 at 8:08 PM
It’s interesting that I put the term “suggest” in a thesaurus and “request” is listed as a synonym?
Again, way to skirt around the actual issue by posing a question that used none of the original words mentioned and somehow think it is relevant.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 8:08 PM
You come here acting like a complete douchebag and your faults have piled so high that it’s amasing you’re still willing to spout your crap. And now you come with that kind of holier than thou sh*t. the condecension is so thick when you hide behind what you believe Jesus would think of us (as if I would care) that you blind yourself to the incredible hypocricy of your own actions. It’s dispicable.
Your twisting definitions about when you threaten people and what you “really meant” when caught in a lie are pathetic.
Scrappy on July 24, 2009 at 8:08 PM
I don’t think it makes me important.
As for the authoritarians here laughing at me, well, isn’t that what fools are supposed to do, laugh?
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Why would the POTUS ever think about giving these guys an apology? Didn’t they get the memo, the one that said, “I Won.”
The left groused about GWB being “arrogant” which is now merely exposed as being a proxy for advancing policies they didn’t like, and doing it with a Texas swagger they despised. Well, this tool is showing that GWB was actually a humble man. Barack Obama is illuminating that fact with each passing day.
ted c on July 24, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Yes, I read the article. He also said it applies to businesses. Yet you used it to say “most cops, 80% he says, aren’t good cops.”
Having not met all cops or even a significant percentage, I don’t think I would be qualified to make an accurate assessment for any of your questions. Of the ones I’ve met, Dunphy’s assessment seems out of whack. Of course, I am less apt to make broad, generalizing statements than some people.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Did someone, besides you, say that you requested them for yourself?
Dave742 disagreed with you openly and you suggested/requested/demanded/wished-upon-a-star for his IP address. Whether his posts were accurate or not, you have acted similarly prior to today. That was all that was said.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Why dont we just come out and say it. Obama is a bigot!
What came out of his mouth was the Rev Wright stuff!
It always amazes me that the emphasis is on the policeman.
If a white policeman arrests a black man, he is assumed to be a bigot , guilty until proven innocent! Isnt that what Obama was saying?
But , if the President says that a white policeman is racial profiling ( insinuating he is a bigot ), he is never accused of being the bigot himself. The President owes everyone an apology, and then he should resign! We do not need a bigot as the President, black or white!
jerseyjoe99982002 on July 24, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Another fine reader. I made it explicitly clear that free speech rights are not absolute and that there are civil and criminal laws controlling speech, so your “law or no law” is, well a lie.
I haven’t tried to silence anyone, just informed them that their actions were conceivably libelous and notified the site managers. I have no power to silence anyone since I don’t run this site. As I said, nobody on my side of this debate has said STFU. You can’t say the same.
What customers? Ken Kurtz is not my customer, just some guy who likes to make trouble for people who never did him any harm.
My customers pay me. Heck, Kurtz probably never reads that site. Even if he did, he still wouldn’t be one of my customers. I don’t work for the people who read those sites, I work for the people who publish those sites.
If there’s any analogy between cops and writers, the analogous group to taxpayers would be advertisers, not readers. The analogy, though, is a poor one because the official chain of command of the police ends up with elected officials who are accountable to the taxpayers. There is no official link between advertisers and writers.
You want to organize a boycott of PJM and TTAC advertisers because of little ol’ me? Gei gezunterhei.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:24 PM
If 80% of the employees of any organization don’t do much work, yeah, I’d say they weren’t good employees whether they were cops, autoworkers or nuns. I’m sure Dunphy wouldn’t agree, but then I think Dunphy is a bit of wuss for using a pseudonym. Not a complete wuss, mind you, he does have some danger on his job, but definitely too concerned about his salary and his pension to speak openly.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Refreshing to see you admit you inaccurately paraphrased what he said. Too bad you had to follow it by calling him a wuss.
ajsleepy on July 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Concerning job safety, cops have nowhere near the most dangerous jobs in this country. Garbagemen take greater risks.
Deaths per 100K workers:
Fishers and related workers – 111.8
Loggers – 86.4
Pilots and Flight Engineers – 66.7
Iron and Steel Workers – 45.5
Farmers and Ranchers – 38.4
Roofers – 29.4
Electrical Power Line Installers and Repairers – 29.1
Drivers (truckers and salespeople) – 26.2
Refuse and Recyclable Material Collectors – 22.8
Police and Sheriff’s officers – 21.4
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM
This is known as Moving The Goalposts.
You FAIL, Rokemronnie.
fossten on July 24, 2009 at 8:49 PM
I didn’t inaccurately paraphrase anything. I interpreted his remarks how I saw them. As I said, I’m sure he’d put a different spin on his figures.
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Shabbat Shalom everyone. The day of rest approaches. It’s been load of fun, really. Quite an education.
Have a good Shabbas!
rokemronnie on July 24, 2009 at 8:54 PM
You have made it explicitly clear over the past few days that you consider disturbing the peace by shouting at a cop to be absolutely protected speech, law or no law.
Right. You told them you could sue their ass and told the people with the delete button, not that they be intimidated or silenced, but that they could keep on keepin’ on.
Of course I wouldn’t. I expect you to STFU.
Chris_Balsz on July 24, 2009 at 8:54 PM
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