In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, UNTIL THE DISABILITY BE REMOVED, OR A PRESIDENT SHALL BE ELECTED.

Let me see if I unravel the mystery… Obama’s original birth certificate & all other paper documents were digitally copied & subsequently destroyed, right?
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Sounds reasonable, EXCEPT that the Hawaiian Dept of Health’s own officials:
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a) DIRECTOR, Dr. Chiyome Fukino
b) REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS, Alvin T. Onaka
c) DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, Janice Okubo
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HAVE EACH MADE CONTRADICTING AND ANACHRONISTIC STATEMENTS ABOUT THEIR ACTIONS (QUOTED IN THESE 2 ORIGINAL LINKS):
1) “PERSONALLY SEEN & VERIFIED” according to Associated Press in 2008
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2) In the alternate, CLAIMED TO HAVE DESTROYED ALL PAPER DOCUMENTS INCLUDING OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, IN 2001, AFTER TRANSFERRING THEM TO A DIGITAL FORMAT
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THIS IS WHERE IT GETS VERY INTERESTING. In order to buy this newly hatched story on CNN, we’ll have to (in the words of Queen Hillary) “suspend disbelief” for a moment and believe that after transferring Obama’s ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to a digital format and then destroying the original CORRESPONDING PAPER DOCUMENTS in what I call “The Great Hawaiian Paper Purge of 2001″ they somehow WERE ABLE TO WHAT??????
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Shrink Mr. Onaka down to “avatar” size (a digital image of a person). Then, allowed him to enter their digital vault, scoring enough points in a cyber-battle with his boss, Dr. Chiyome Fukino to gain a digital pen, which allowed him to SIGN THE BACK OF THE DIGITAL COPY OF OBAMA’S ORIG. B.C. & BACKDATE IT TO READ: JUNE 6, 2007, before EXITING the SECRET DIGITAL VAULT THROUGH A SPECIAL CYBER-PORTAL and getting back to the “analog” world JUST IN TIME FOR THE DailyKos & Obama’s OWN SITE “FightTheSmears” to post it before the election, making it back just in time to hold a press conference declaring Obama “A REAL-LEGIT-NO-KIDDING-CANDIDATE-FOR-PRESIDENT”???
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Okay, that makes perfect sense. I’m on board. COLOR ME A “NEO-BLIEFER” (New Blind Believer in Obama).
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And I thought blaming the Obama’s new dog would be a stretch…

The SWP is on the ballot in Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Vermont, and Washington. Their candidate is 39-year-old Roger Calero. Calero was also the 2004 nominee. He collected 10,791 votes in 14 states.

In several states, Calero had to have James Harris fill in as a surrogate nominee because Calero is constitutionally ineligible to be President. Calero is not an American citizen. He was born in Nicaragua, although he does have permanent resident status. Harris is once again the surrogate nominee for Calero in 2008. If the SWP won, that could make for an interesting constitutional crisis. However, that is one scenario no one needs to worry about for this election.

I know this is difficult, but here is the answer…. Because he is not legally required to produce it, the document he needed to produce he has it is called (or was then) a COLB. That he produced, to the proper authorities.

right2bright on July 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM

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Which authorities?

Missy on July 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

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American, United States, the country we live in….sheesh

right2bright on July 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM

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No, seriously, which authorities? You claimed he showed the piece of paper to the proper authorities. Which person in a position of authority did Obama show his birth certificate to?

Missy on July 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM

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I would like to know, what prcess is in place, if any, is in place to verify the eligibility of the president. This crud of “some other guy must have checked it” would have gotten any one of us fired if we tried that.

In all the kerfulle about this birth certificate, I have NEVER seen anything pointing to the actual vetting process.
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So, for any of you who believe the birth cert stuff is a wild goose chase, PLEASE point me to the documentation of the process for vetting the process. Who, WHat, When, and where.. we know the freaking WHY.

bullseye on July 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

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No such thing exists. That’s part of the amazement.

anuts on July 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

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Whats been interesting to me thorugh this whole thing is that, according to the courts, we the Voters do not have standing to even ASK if the candidates meet qualifications.

Romeo13 on July 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

And this, as the dearly departed Frank Zappa said, is the crux of the biscuit.

1. There is a Constitutional requirement that for persons to be eligible to be President, they must (among other things) be a Natural Born Citizen.

2. There appears to be no one at the federal level vested with the responsibility of vetting whether a candidate legally meets this requirement.

3. There appears to be a serious issue with meeting the court requirement of “standing” in lawsuits which seek to force a validation of meeting that requirement.

Thus, if no one is eligible to sue in order to discover the information, and no one had a legal requirement to validate whether the requirement is met by a candidate, there is literally nothing standing in the way of an ineligible candidate running, and then stonewalling afterwards.

As I understand it, New Jersey actually had a candidate on the ballot that was clearly ineligible, so this is not simply theoretical.

Apparently, the courts want to punt this, because there is no law on the books requiring anyone to actually check. I guess no one had the audacity to try to bluff their way through, so no one bothered creating such a law.

There is legislation being written now which should close this loophole. I would hope that such an effort would be supported by anyone who believes in the rule of law.

“Unseal” what? The COLB is the official document that the world government, and all the state agencies need to see.
If he showed the “original” (which is on film and not a printed format), you birthers would want to see the hospital records, then the whatever records…and on and on.

right2bright on July 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM

I knew it! I just knew that one day, I’d go to sleep, and when I woke up the next day, we’d have a world government!

A nut, the standard of proof in this country is a Certified birth certificate- like the Congressional hearing on John McCain’s eligibility sought.
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If IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THOSE CONGRESSIONAL BALLBUSTERS, it should work for regular ballbusters like you.

Get off your lazy ass and go look it up yourself. Stop asking for help just to fill up the page.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

In all fairness I think you are assuming that I believe their ballbusting of McCain over this was Constitutionally necessary. I don’t hold that position and then seek a different standard for Obama. Had McCain told them to stuff it I don’t perceive the Constitution would have any beef whatsoever.

Hey squirrel bait or nutwipe or whatever you go by, FIFY… Pssst… Obama’s FAKE COLB IS A FAKE-FAKE COLB.

I think that’s a seperate legal issue all together. If a claim is made that his documentation is fake, then it would be up to ‘claim maker’ to prove this in court. Until then, Obama is not legally obliged to prove his innocence.

It’s over & ACORN’s budget is about to be eviscerated & all the other little a-nuts are going to vanish from HotAir & other right-leaning blogs.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I don’t know why you think I would vanish from here. This is my favorite site. Take care and have a good one.

…you bright little ray of sunshine, you.

3. It has been stated repeatedly that a COLB can easily be obtained by someone who does not meet the “natural born citizen” requirement. Ergo, it is useless in this case.

If you still don’t understand it at this point, then see if your community college offers Logic 101 or the equivalent.

As of now, whatever has been shown to the state of Hawaii, Illinois, Congress, or any level of courts has been sufficient enough to meet said requirement.

My apologies if you find it frustrating that I still don’t understand how one would go about challenging this when there is no legal provision explicitly stating what is and what is not acceptable.

Also, you have not answered my previous question about what you think should be done if we discover that a president is not qualified

1. Let a usurper sit in office

2. Remove him from office.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I’m sorry. I missed this earlier. If irrefutable information comes out that he is in fact ineligible, then he needs to be removed from office. I also believe that any and all items containing his signature while POTUS would be null and void. This includes his cabinet and their signatures.

Then I have no idea how the country would proceed to fill that void. I can only envision 3 possibilities:

1. McCain and his team assemble an administration.
2. A special election of sorts between McCain and whoever.
3. A runoff between McCain and Hillary.

It would make for an interesting process and history, no doubt.

Answers are easy to find if you bother to look…

§338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies.

****The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original.***
[L 1949, c 327, §23; RL 1955, §57-22; am L 1957, c 8, §1; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-19]

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Just in case anyone has trouble parsing it…

State has original piece of paper.
State makes microphotographic copy.
Microphotographic copy = original piece of paper legally in the State.
State discards piece of paper, maintains microphotographic copy.

elgeneralisimo on July 27, 2009 at 8:49 AM

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PARSE THIS YOU ARROGANT, DISMISSIVE ASS: Try parsing your own (NON-LINKED quoted statute- see that tricky little sentence in bold? “…copies shall be competent evidence IN ALL COURTS…” ????????
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COURTS- IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT EVIDENCE- it REQUIRES A COURT to SEE IT- just like McCain did for those pesky Congressional ballbusters – VIEWED IN COURT BY A COURT-CERTIFIED FORENSIC EXAMINER
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Hey, el-general-less-is-more, no one is buying your feeble attempt to PROVIDE COVER FOR THE MOUNTING LIES. You & your fellow “bliefers” (Blind Believers in Obama) ARE JUST CIRCLING THE DRAIN.

WHY INDEED.
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So, in Oct 08, the Director of Hawaii’s Health Dept. says that she & the registrar of Vital Statistics
***HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AND VERIFIED***
OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
… the documents that the state of Hawaii DESTROYED 8 YEARS AGO??????????????????
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And the plot thickens…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Answers are easy to find if you bother to look…

§338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original. [L 1949, c 327, §23; RL 1955, §57-22; am L 1957, c 8, §1; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-19]

Just in case anyone has trouble parsing it…

State has original piece of paper.
State makes microphotographic copy.
Microphotographic copy = original piece of paper legally in the State.
State discards piece of paper, maintains microphotographic copy.

That disorienting sensation in your head is from cognitive dissonance, but elgeneralisimo feels it will pass real soon in your case because he shares the same sentiment as was expressed in the article…

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Are you the same troll on the RNC and Dick Morris (YouTube) comments that repeats this EXACT lingo with each new video they produce, or do you just cut & paste it from other drones?

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM

You owe NO apology. Your points are valid, and wanton ignorance sometimes makes the best of us a little peeved at times.

Unlike 9/11 trutherism or the Kennedy assassination it’d be very easy to put this thing to bed… Obama could just trot out his birth certificate.

End of discussion.

Skywise on July 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM

He did. End of discussion.

hicsuget on July 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM

hicsuget:

A) HOW is this possible: (FactCheck’s claim to have Examined the “Original“) if it went Digital, and only Copies were available?

B) FactCheck is reportedly a Leftist Organization… In their opening “finding” on your link, they use argumentative language that “Obama was attacked…”

C) I could start my OWN website tomorrow called “www.AbsolutelyCorrect.com” or “www.VerifyAnything.com” and say whatever I want… would that make my “claims” any more valid? What if I got people that agreed with me to back me up?

Faulty Logic, citing a group Friendly to the Administration.

All the wise-cracking in the world (within this thread) doesn’t solve the One, Simple Question:
Why spend nearly a Million dollars to cover up All the Documents that he has, rather than spend $10 to put it to rest?

Is the argument “What would it achieve?”, or “What then, impeach him?” an effective enough Distraction to deter the Constitutional Laws of our land?

Personally, I just want such a “Transparent” President to be, well… Transparent and Truthful… especially when That was part of his platform to get elected. (And NO, I don’t believe ANY of the Lies they tell to get votes, so Please; forego any contrived arguments).

But, at least be intellectually Honest in Dismissing it as a Conspiracy.
It’s a Valid concern, legally.
Suggesting that citing one or two people (Corsi, etc.) as “nuts” somehow “Undermines” the Entire Concept of his Constitutional Eligibility, is absurd.

That’s the same, antiquated argument put forth by the Chicken Littles of the Climate Crisis breed… “There IS no debate”.

The ONLY reason to silence debate is (NOT to “attract more Conspiracy traction”, exposing the radicalism of your opposition; though a good Fringe-Benefit)… it’s to Hide Something you don’t want discovered.

IS IT that he’s NOT a Natural-Born Citizen, and therefore Unqualified to serve as Commander-In-Chief?
WHO KNOWS?

But I’m certain there’s SOMETHING being hidden!

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 12:03 AM

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I regret that I did not maintain my composure but let my temper get the best of me in that last post. I’ve just had it with the sheer number of people like us & the energy that is being expended by us being put in such a untenable position as to have to take sides in this country over something that our national leaders could easily rectify.
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I have always said that the birth cerificate alone can not make Obama eligible- he’s a dual citizen at birth- by his own admission. That, and natural born citizen at birth status are mutually exclusive.
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McCain, a war hero, was subjected to a Congressional hearing wherein he produced his original certified birth certificate to a court-certified forensic document examiner. Obama, who has left almost no footprints in 48 years, posted a non-certified electronic COLB on his website and has been thumbing his nose at our Constitution and our citizens since.
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He needs to show more respect. Then he needs to pack his bags.

That disorienting sensation in your head is from cognitive dissonance, but elgeneralisimo feels it will pass real soon in your case because he shares the same sentiment as was expressed in the article…
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elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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That “whoooshing” noise in your head is the sound of you & your big words, your oversized ego AND your pathetic THEORY being flushed down the crapper, but NightmareOnKStreet feels it won’t pass anytime soon because you’re so full of bovine excrement that you & your merry gang of “bliefers” (blind believers in Obama) have been circling the drain for too long.

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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NICE TRY…but not so fast, elgeneralisimo…
That SAME article you’re quoting published June 17, 2009 says:

On Oct. 31, 2008, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, issued this statement:… “Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

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Then on July 24, 2009 HotAir linked to a story in the L.A. TIMES: CNN President Jon Klein declares Obama birther story ‘dead’ in which the following appears:
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CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers… Thursday night that the supposed controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead” story after anchor Lou Dobbs drew attention for raising the issue repeatedly on his radio program.
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The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air,
***informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001.****
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A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.
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“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote, according to TVNewser. “Since the show’s mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.”
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In his show Thursday, Dobbs did note the explanation from Hawaiian officials, though he went on to devote another segment to the topic, interviewing CNN contributor Roland Martin and Rep. Ted Poe, a co-sponsor of a bill that would require future presidential candidates to produce their birth certificates.
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Here’s Dobbs’ opening:
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“President Obama promised transparency and openness in his administration. Yet, he’s chosen not to release his original birth certificate or a copy of it. And a number of Americans are asking, why not? The left-wing media has attacked me because I simply asked the question. Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can’t release a paper copy of the president’s original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago. That explanation, however, has not satisfied some critics.”
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In the segment, Dobbs stressed that he has said repeatedly that he believes Obama is a citizen, something that he said his critics in the “left-wing media” ignore..
But he continued to press the question of why Obama has not shown a long-form birth certificate. “When this could be dispelled so quickly, and — and simply by producing it, why not do it?” Dobbs asked..

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WHY INDEED.
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So, in Oct 08, the Director of Hawaii’s Health Dept. says that she & the registrar of Vital Statistics
***HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AND VERIFIED***
OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
… the documents that the state of Hawaii DESTROYED 8 YEARS AGO??????????????????
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And the plot thickens…

Well, this certainly puts InfoWars.com to shame.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM

ACTUALLY, The fraud, Alex Jones, won’t touch this with a 10 foot pole, he’s too busy assaulting Michelle Malkin and felching Ron Paul and his merry band of 911 conspiracy fruitcakes…don’t forget, Alex Jones is ALSO a George Soros lapdog.

I personally don’t think he is a natural born citizen, but can you imagine Joe Biden being president?

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

Under a scenario that a President would be held disqualified from office under Constitutional grounds, under the 25th Amendment, Biden would then be ALSO disqualified because the Vice President runs as on the ticket of the President and The House of Representatives would select a new President.

Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Sorry, I forgot the link in my last couple of posts. *softly sings “If I Only Had a Brain”. Read all about it (OBAMA’S “INVALID UNSIGNED” FAKE-FAKE COLB PER HAWAII’S HEALTH DEPT, JANICE OKUBO) at Israel’s daily publication: Israeli Insider

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM

OK, let’s focus there…

The page has two source links, the one of particular interest is this one…

Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times, and a reporter for the paper’s “Politifact” blog, said that she has been seeking the birth certificate “for months.” She was frustrated: “Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.”

What happens when you click on the link ?

One is treated to a page of the St. Petersburg Times PolitiFact mercilessly slagging all things Birther.

But wait, there’s more…

If you click on the first link in the text, one may read an update of the story…

Here’s what the DHLL site says now: “The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called “long” and “short” forms.

“They’re just words,” said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.”

“There’s only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it’s been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

“When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site,” she said. “That’s the birth certificate.”

As for the theory that Obama’s original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the “Certification of Live Birth” would say so. Obama’s does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.

That disorienting sensation in your head is from cognitive dissonance, but elgeneralisimo feels it will pass real soon in your case because he shares the same sentiment as was expressed in the article…

We harbor no delusions that anything we say here will slow the persistent drumbeat of the birthers, but we rule this statement False.

Again, I ask you. What legal code is he in violation of other crap can I pull out of my butt now that states Obama’s UNSIGNED, INVALID PER HAWAII’S HEALTH DEPT SPOKESPERSON, OKUBO- COLB is not sufficient enough for POTUS eligibility?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM

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Hey squirrel bait or nutwipe or whatever you go by, FIFY… Pssst… Obama’s FAKE COLB IS A FAKE-FAKE COLB.
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Now what are you going to ask us- WHAT LEGAL CODE is OBAMA in violation of BY USING A FAKE, UNSIGNED DOCUMENT TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC? .
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It’s over & ACORN’s budget is about to be eviscerated & all the other little a-nuts are going to vanish from HotAir & other right-leaning blogs.
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Meanwhile, why don’t you stop trying to turn this site into your own little personal circle jerk, k? Hey, hey, hey, goodbye… SING IT WITH ME…