CNN president to Lou Dobbs: Stop covering the birth certificate story
posted at 4:35 pm on July 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
Bad idea. I sympathize with him wanting to protect CNN from negative press but the surest way to feed a conspiracy theory, needless to say, is to try to suppress it. This is like Roger Ailes issuing a communique ordering Fox News not to cover 9/11 Truth. What is he hiding?
TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama’s birth in the U.S.
In part, Klein writes, “It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.” Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.
Dave Weigel, who’s been tracking the Birther phenomenon for months, floats a new story today about Team McCain having investigated the rumors last year and found nothing to them. Possible lines of Birther attack: McCain’s vetters were too dumb to find the smoking gun; even if they found the smoking gun, McCain’s eligibility was also in question at one point due to his being born in Panama so he couldn’t use it; McCain’s a RINO and wanted to lose so even if he did find the smoking gun, he probably destroyed it to help Obama out.
As a capper to Birther Week, here’s Matthews beating the dead horse once more with G. Gordon Liddy. Come for Liddy’s misinformation about what Obama’s grandmother really said about his birthplace, stay for E. Steven Collins’s embarrassing swooning over The One.
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Bishop on July 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM
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MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Allahpundit, please ban the birthers here… draw a line… what would WFB do?
ninjapirate on July 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM
I fear you haven’t grasped my point about not suppressing conspiracy theories.
Allahpundit on July 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Nice video title…
“Absurd Obama citizenship debate fill airwaves”?
No bias there, no sirree…
Anybody remember MSNBC posting videos about 9/11 truthers with this kind of title?
Nope, Code Pink protesters were treated as a legitimate voice.
Skywise on July 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Oh lord.
The irony is spilling over the sides…
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM
CNN has walked it back, saying they’ll let Dobbs cover it. At least that’s what Jake Tapper wrote on Twitter.
I couldn’t watch all of Liddy on Hardball, I am no birther and have little sympathy for the movement, but he seemed out of it and not prepared for the discussion.
Siobhan on July 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Burden of proof belongs to the birthed.
ted c on July 24, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I’m not a Birther, but I would hardly use the incompetent McCain campaign staff to prove my views. They were pretty much wrong on every decision they made.
Speedwagon82 on July 24, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Good God. Yeah birtherism is embaressing, but at least it isn’t sinister and repugnant like trutherism.
Why does people being birthers bother you so?
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Is anyone else amazed that the birth certificate story has made it into the MSM at all? It certainly was never going to happen during the campaign.
Missy on July 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I was talking to a friend of my family, a nurse, who just took a little humanitarian trip to Kenya for a couple of weeks. She was repeatedly asked by Kenyans if she would like to go see where Obama was born. Now, I chalk it up to wishful thinking on the part of the Kenyans that asked her this, wanting a little more than our president just saying he is Kenyan, as opposed to actually being born there. It’s funny, more than anything, but she (the family friend) said they were totally serious about it.
JoelD on July 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM
But…But there’s no TRUTH
without Trutherism!
/sarc
LincolntheHun on July 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM
We all know Obama wasn’t born in the USA. It doesn’t take much critical thinking skills to understand this.
jdun on July 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM
You meant to say, “What would Stalin do?”
Bishop on July 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM
It’s a useful way for the left to make the right look paranoid. Obama’s shedding no tears seeing it get lots of coverage this week.
Allahpundit on July 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM
G Gordon Liddy? Geez, Chrissy!
d1carter on July 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM
You’re not a mainstream outlet… I get your point about CNN… you’re an ideological one… you have to control what you want the impression to be… and your commenters reflect on you…
Goldwater, the John Birch Society, and Me by William F. Buckley, Jr.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/goldwater–the-john-birch-society–and-me-11248
ninjapirate on July 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM
MSNBC would rather spend 4 hours a day whining about this Birth Certificate B.S. than admit their superhero is going down in polls.
Speedwagon82 on July 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Could a birther please explain the announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper of his birth? I’m no Obama fan, but Michelle Malkin was right on when she compared this particular “movement” to the Trig Truthers on the Left.
changer1701 on July 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Allah, you are shameless and ridiculous.
progressoverpeace on July 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Mr. Dobbs:
It might be an idea to switch from the birth certificate story to try and find out why The President of The United States is attempting to start a violent race war.
This bit with Professor Gates is getting out of hand very quickly and to me is starting to seem like it was setup from the get-go as a ‘distraction’ to keep the masses away from health care and cap/trade legislation.
This could be the crisis too good to waste.
Kenny Solomon
Locked and loaded in South Florida.
E T Cartman on July 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Again, not a birther here, *BUT*
Unlike 9/11 trutherism or the Kennedy assassination it’d be very easy to put this thing to bed… Obama could just trot out his birth certificate.
End of discussion.
Like the moon landing conspiracy. Here’s the moon rocks ]bam[ analyze ‘em.
But Obama laughs off the accusations, berates the accusers… and never releases the one thing that shows them for being the the “crazy” conspirators most think they are…
Which, as AP points out, only feeds the theory more.
Skywise on July 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Let’s look at who’s playing it up: MSNBC (left-wing network) and CNN (via Lou Dobbs, who regularly covers conspiracy theories like the NAU).
Meanwhile, FOX mentions it in passing, but rarely goes into any depth.
Why would the network friendly to the president cover this, but not the network unfriendly to him? Could painting the opposition as conspiracy theorists have anything to do with it, especially when the one other correspondent on CNN making an issue of it has been on the Alex Jones show more than once?
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM
This statement makes no sense. If they truly had gone paperless, and these were government documents, they they should have been filmed, microfiched, or digitally scanned. So where are the copies?
St. Joseph’s Hospital in Houston has medical records going back to the 1800s that are filmed.
If the Hawaiian gob’ment destroyed the originals, they surely would have made copies. If they didn’t they’re either lying or stoopid.
madmonkphotog on July 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM
If this is what the CNN President wanted, fine, but for being stupid enough to put it in an e-mail to “several staffers” rather than talking to Dobbs face to face — and thus maintaining plausible deniability — he gets what ever pile of steaming sh*t is about to come his way. He’s a leader like Obama’s a leader: One who makes stupid mistakes.
Rational Thought on July 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM
WFB? Explain, please?
SouthernGent on July 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I am not birther but I repeat what has been said here before: If I have to show all my documents (In original or notarized copies) to get any government position why should the top position of the government be excluded from that requirement.
dpierson on July 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
So are a lot of people in Roswell, NM.
Patrick S on July 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Meh! No banning. If cap and trade ever goes thru, it won’t matter. We won’t be able to afford to turn on our computers.
capejasmine on July 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
They’ve already labeled Hot Air, Allah, The Boss, and many posters as “suppressing” them.
Banning them would only validate their delusion.
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Say what you want about John McCain, he definitely has
1) Turned against Conservatives and the USA in his promotion of bad “Immigration Reform” that would legalize MILLIONS of illegals and make help make their family members legal by giving them the green light to come to the USA.
and
2) McCain was without a doubt, the “fall guy”, in the 2008 election. They knew he couldn’t win, especially with the people running his campaign.
JaqobJackson on July 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM
LOL! I swear it wouldn’t surprise me to actually hear someone float that theory out. :D
I’d don’t think there’s anything to this… but even if there is… it won’t change anything. It really is a waste of time and resources.
Nineball on July 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I don’t get why this is supposed to prove anything. I could put an announcement in the paper tomorrow saying that my imaginary wife gave birth to quintuplets.
Speedwagon82 on July 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Yeah, great stuff. Team McCain also found nothing to Wright, Hussein, Socialism, Indonesia, the lies about deregulation causing the credit crisis, …
Team McCain are the folks I go to for truth and intelligence. Keep it up, allah.
progressoverpeace on July 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Geez….
Good news: we’re not talking about fake birth certificates
Bad news: we’re talking about how Obama is really Eldridge Cleaver-Stokeley Carmichael
Swell..just swell.
SteveMG on July 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Just keep saying “Birther,” AP. You’re above it all.
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Here is a simple question you can ask yourself.
Q: How long and how much effort does it take you to produce your BC?
My Answer: Less then a minute and with no effort.
jdun on July 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM
The last I’d heard on this, shortly after Obama’s grandmother died was….the Governor of Hawaii, had the official document sealed. Seems no one can gain access to it now. If this is true…my only question is…why seal it, if it’s legitimate, and would lay all of this to rest?
capejasmine on July 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM
That struck me, too. Municipalities don’t just toss old birth certificates in the trash! They are maintained, either electronically or otherwise so they are available for scrutiny. This just throws fuel on the birthers’ fire by making the Hawaiian officials look like they’re participating in a cover up.
Rational Thought on July 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM
BTW: Now we’re supposed to assume competence by the McCain campaign?
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM
William F. Buckley.
Cindy Munford on July 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Yeah, because they’re trying to shut people up.
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
If you have nothing to hide you hide nothing.
Let’s forget about the BC for a minute, I, for one, would settle for his college transcripts being released
stacy on July 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Sigh. AllahPundit, have you listened to the tape of Sarah Obama? Salon has their headline wrong. They say that Sarah Obama did NOT say he was born in Kenya. Elsewhere they admit that, yes, she did say that, but then her family corrected her again and again and again.
Sarah Obama DID say that she was there for Obama’s birth when asked if he was born in Kenya.
Others have tried to say that SHE later denied it, but if you listen to the tape, I count exactly zero seconds that it took for the translator to translate the revised question from the interviewer into Swahili, for Sarah to answer in Swahili, and for the translator to translate back into English what she said. How could he do it so fast that it took no time at all?
The fact of the matter is that Sarah Obama said she was there for the birth, the translator translated it that way, and then when the interviewer followed up to clarify, the translator took over the conversation. Sarah Obama was whisked away and Raila Odinga eventually put armed guards around her house to keep anyone unauthorized from talking to her until after the election.
Make of it what you will, but at least know what the facts are.
justincase on July 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Wil Ford Brimley.
If you kids want to grow up strong so you can demand to see the president’s birth certificate, you better start your day with Quaker Oats.
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Will this be an issue in 40 years when an anchor baby is running for POTUS?
CMonster on July 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Well, there’s your problem right there.
exception on July 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM
When Buckley started out with the NR and his causes, he kicked out the crazy Birchers and other radical right elements that believed, among other cheery items, that Eisenhower and Marshall were Soviet agents.
They were also vehemently anti-semitic.
SteveMG on July 24, 2009 at 4:55 PM
LOL. Calling for official verification of Constitutional requirements is “paranoid”. You’re the best, man. Really. The. Best.
More laughs. Is this what passes for reasoning in your mind? What do you expect him to do? Fight the court cases like it was his dear life on the line? Oh wait, he does that. Get deployment orders revoked without charges against the soldier who challenged the legitimacy of those orders? Oops. Done that, too.
Great argument, allah.
progressoverpeace on July 24, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Stop picking on the youngsters.
Cindy Munford on July 24, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Everything he does is part of his master plan, and anything you say about it is just playing into his hands.
I know we got beat last year, but is morale really this low?
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 4:55 PM
No kidding, David Shuster and Tamron Hall spent an entire extended segment covering Sarah Palin’s approval ratings for Alaska and nationally. Rasmussen’s poll with the One dropping below 50%?
crickets
msmveritas on July 24, 2009 at 4:56 PM
It’s about time someone started discussing these things in a HA thread.
exception on July 24, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Obama is a freaking diaster for our nation
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/obama-victory-necessarily-goal-afghanistan/?test=latestnews
Obama: ‘Victory’ Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan
What the effin hell are our troops dying there for then??????????????
elduende on July 24, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Okay, so the MSM, specifically the really-left-leaning MSM, wants to make righties look like paranoid freaks. But they always want to do this, so why now? Because Barry’s having a bad week?
Missy on July 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM
I wasn’t aware he had been. Hasn’t whatever was produced been validated by the appropriate officials?
This does nothing for our “side”. I don’t know why they can’t produce the long form, or whatever, but I don’t care either. What do people expect to happen? That somehow proof will emerge and he’ll be kicked out of office? Not. Gonna. Happen. So wouldn’t it be better to pour these resources into fighting his agenda? I don’t understand what is to be gained. Is it just to raise questions of legitimacy? That gets us nowhere.
changer1701 on July 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Precisely. Who ever heard of the Obama White House engaging in tactical politics? You ever hear Rush talk about it?
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Ubetcha. I think I’m gonna break a rib laughing so hard on.
Sapwolf on July 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Why is it that just because someone labeled the legitimate questions to see proper identification as a birther movement it is equated with the truthers or the Kennedy conspiracy? Just show us the dam documents and it’s all over. The refusal to do so fuels the conspiracy and nothing else.
dpierson on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I thought a Hawaiian official said she has seen the birth certificate and it it in the archives of the state. WTF?
txsurveyor on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Liddy looked half dead, Dobbs did a much better job with Roland Martin and Rep Poe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvYcFgXCJrE
karlant on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Joel D at 4:43
Kenya’s ambassador is taped on a radio program saying that Obama’s birthplace in Kenya is already well-known.
It’s funny because every anecdote I’ve heard where people have spoken to Kenyans, the Kenyans always say it is common knowledge that he was born there.
Even Raila Odinga issued a decree that Obama’s records in Kenya were to be sealed until after the election. What records, you ask? Well, there ARE records of Obama contributing to Odinga’s campaign, but Jerome Corsi already had those when the decree was made. What other records might there be? Hmm…..
justincase on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Plus, it’s a dumb requirement in the first place. Let’s just forget it exists.
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM
:-) Maybe, but I have bigger problems than this!
Look! A squirrel!
SouthernGent on July 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Passport info to die for.
seven on July 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM
ok, am i drunk, or did he not S-E-A-L it in Hawaii last year when seeing his dying grandma???
Ghoul aid on July 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Who ever heard of submitting to an opponent because he’ll probably just use it against you anyway?
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM
When the attorney leading the movement, Philip Berg, turned out to be a 9/11 truther, that didn’t help. Jerome Corsi’s comments about 9/11 on the Alex Jones show, as well as his writings about the supposed NAU, didn’t help, either.
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Because it’s convenient to do so. “Birth” and “truth” both end with “th,” which makes the two equivalent.
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Why, we should not have people who were not born here run the country, makes their loyalty suspect. That’s not to say that the loyalty of some natural born citizens is not suspects, but as long as it is in the constitution it needs to be adhered to.
dpierson on July 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Question: Would Obama have had to produce any documentation when he ran for office in Illinois, and later when he ran for Senate? What documents were used? Would they be considered public records now? has anyone tried to get access to those records?
AverageJoe on July 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Wait just one second. Are you trying to tell me that all those assertions by Snopes, FactCheck and the other suppressors about the Governor of Hawaii and others personally seeing the original birth certificate were total bunk?
Buddahpundit on July 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Hum, should I spend $10 on a long form birth certificate or $1,000,000 in legal fees?
txag92 on July 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM
See John McCain re: Jeremiah Wright.
MadisonConservative on July 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Gordon was having trouble organizing his thoughts with Chris. The thought of choking the life out of Chris was an over riding factor in his responses.
the Coondawg on July 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I don’t know. I’d be happy to see any record of Obama’s past …
darwin on July 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Great point. Oops … I feel everyone staring at me.
darwin on July 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I know but just because some nutcases jump on the bandwagon should not invalidate the essential question underlying the whole thing.
dpierson on July 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Great, now this has moved from Hawaii, all the way to Kenya, and back again, shooting witnesses in the middle of the night.
The Birth is Out There!
JamesLee on July 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM
changer1701, the newspaper announcement said nothing about where Obama was born. Neither newspaper can even say how the birth announcements got in there, who put them in and based on what. And the lady who has lived right next to the address given for the Obamas in those announcements since before Obama was born has said that there was never a Black-white couple living there who had a child.
So the announcements, quite frankly, raise more questions than they answer.
My guess is that Madeline Dunham put the information in there. Or, if they were generated from vital statistics records, it would indicate that Obama’s birth was registered either by a hospital in Hawaii or by Madeline or Ann Dunham regardless of where the birth took place.
Three of our children were born in St Cloud, MN but the birth announcements went in the hometown papers of both parents, in TX and NE. Again, the announcements never said where the birth took place – just where the couple lived (and it’s been shown that they didn’t even live there either).
justincase on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
I see it. What is its relevance? He refused to address it and they called him a racist anyway. He should have hammered Obama with it.
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
I would hate to be labeled as a bither, but….Why not just show the freaking thing??????? I can’t imaging spending so much in legal fees to hide something that would shut all the idiots up. I say we press until it is posted on the front page of the newspapers.
TXMomof3 on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
I know, I would buy everyone here a beer to just stop talking about the BirthCertificate long enough to focus on hammering Obama on “Stupid Gate”
We can get more leverage with actionable Items then conspiracies.
Amadeus on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Let’s apply the same rules that Joe The plumber got to Obama. At least Joe can do me no harm so I could care less, but I would like to know all I can about the man leading the country.
dpierson on July 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
I think he was being sarcastic. Hey, lets assume you’re right. You REALLY think Obama will be kicked out of office? And even if he is, we get Slo Joe…where is the upside, again?
changer1701 on July 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Maybe they were offering her a free trip to Hawaii.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM
An obvious slight of hand is being worked continually upon all people regarding this issue.
So he doesn’t have the original long form BC, but an electric long form BC, like you , and me, and all people wanting to verify ourselves must have, is in the Hawaii PHD files, but sealed by him. Which document contains info he doesn’t want seen.
It DOES NOT SETTLE THE QUESTION by merely saying the paper form is no longer extant. The file is still there. Who is this stupid to not be able to see THIS SHELL GAME.
Either straw men or false logic is continually answered, WHICH IS NO ANSWER AND NO VALID BC.
DID YOU HEAR ME NOW?????????
bperiwinkle on July 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM
As I’ve said before, I’m not a birther. But if there’s even a one in one trillion chance that there’s something to the birth certificate thing and it could lead to Obama being removed, then it’s worth looking into. Our liberty is being threatened daily by this evil man.
Daggett on July 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Let them debate it at Alex Jones’ site–keep HotAir respectable (or at least as respectable as any other blog with an active comment section). Refusing to give bandwidth to the insane is not the same as suppressing them; it is merely refusing to let them claim an undeserved legitimacy at the expense of Ed’s and your deserved legitimacy.
hicsuget on July 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM
So, someone in the administration or connected to it got to Lou’s boss?
Reminds me of when Harry Reid tried to shut Rush Limbaugh up.
Where am I?
bridgetown on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I have a hypothetical question. What if he were born in the Kenyan slums? His mother is/was an American citizen. As long as she had not renounced her citizenship to become a citizen of another country, why wouldn’t lil’ Baraky be an American. If I had given birth to my kids on a foreign vacation, they wouldn’t have been voted out of the tribe just because of where there American mother gave birth. Does anyone know if there is any validity to this?
Laura in Maryland on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Man The G-man is off his game.
Not so virile , vigorous or potent.
TheSitRep on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Which is exactly why they keep using it. Why think about anything if to do so will open you to ridicule? “Shut up, wingnut.” “Shut up, racist.” “Shut up, birther.” It’s just a shortcut.
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Like I said, I am a Birther Agnostic, but I don’t see the point in pursuing this. What are people trying to accomplish? Impeachment due to ineligibility to serve? Good luck with that. Ogabe will be gone in 2012 anyway, and there are other thing far more worth your attention and effort.
Norwegian on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
We had a fire and all the records were destroy .We went paperless but we don,t have a photo copy of the original how nice.Next thing we will hear the dog ate it.Well i guess a country dumb enough to elect the likes of Obama will believe anything.
thmcbb on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
What would those who believe he was born in the US, accept as evidence that he was born in Kenya, if indeed, obama is suppressing that information?
Anyone who believes the theory that obama was born in the US, though he has no COLB to prove it, is, by definition, a “birther”, too. Both beliefs stem from what you want to believe, but nether of them can be proven. So, that being the case, why choose to believe the unproven conspiracy theory that works in obama’s favor, when you could just as easily choose the unproven conspiracy theory that works against him?
keep the change on July 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I don’t care if he get’s kicked out or not, but if he lied his credibility is shot and should be impeached.
dpierson on July 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM
I doubt Obama Sr. stayed around long enough for anyone to see him. He probably knocked her up, had a quickie wedding because that was expected at the time, and high tailed it out of Hawaii.
Speedwagon82 on July 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM
So we should only follow the Constitution if it will produce the results we want?
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM
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