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CNN president to Lou Dobbs: Stop covering the birth certificate story

posted at 4:35 pm on July 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Bad idea. I sympathize with him wanting to protect CNN from negative press but the surest way to feed a conspiracy theory, needless to say, is to try to suppress it. This is like Roger Ailes issuing a communique ordering Fox News not to cover 9/11 Truth. What is he hiding?

TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama’s birth in the U.S.

In part, Klein writes, “It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.” Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.

Dave Weigel, who’s been tracking the Birther phenomenon for months, floats a new story today about Team McCain having investigated the rumors last year and found nothing to them. Possible lines of Birther attack: McCain’s vetters were too dumb to find the smoking gun; even if they found the smoking gun, McCain’s eligibility was also in question at one point due to his being born in Panama so he couldn’t use it; McCain’s a RINO and wanted to lose so even if he did find the smoking gun, he probably destroyed it to help Obama out.

As a capper to Birther Week, here’s Matthews beating the dead horse once more with G. Gordon Liddy. Come for Liddy’s misinformation about what Obama’s grandmother really said about his birthplace, stay for E. Steven Collins’s embarrassing swooning over The One.

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The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.
I thought a Hawaiian official said she has seen the birth certificate and it it in the archives of the state. WTF?

txsurveyor on July 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM

The trouble with lying, especially when it involves more than one person, is that it is so hard to keep your story straight.

mrsmwp on July 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM

This shows what happens when the MSM fawns over a candidate and there isn’t a proper vetting of a candidate before the election.
The press poured over Palin’s background, and ignored Obama’s.
The certificate of live birth only proves that someone said Obama was born. No one disputes that. The birth announcement in the paper means nothing. It looks like it was pulled from a county/state list of filed certificates. I read the previous 10 pages, don’t think I need to repeat the Hawaiian laws of bc.
Why are all the written records of Obama being hidden? We can’t see his transcripts, his law school records, etc.
Obama is a proven liar, his minions ridiculing the people asking to see documentation as nuts?
I think the b.c. is the tip of the ice berg, there is something in his past he does not want us to know. Whether its actually his birth or something later, I don’t know. But I bet there is something….

conservativegrandma on July 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.

Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days. She could not refer to Obama’s specific case, she said, because no one but an authorized family member can do so. But she did confirm that a valid “certification of live birth” would need to have an embossed seal and signature and that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification.

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MAILED- tri-folded in business envelope? But his COLB had no folds.
MAILED- in a 9×12 envelope? But his COLD had no marks or creases.
WHAT? “There is NO SUCH THING as ELECTRONIC ONLY??
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OMG, this is… uh, amazing. The only words that come to me now are “It’s almost-Immaculate-Conception-like” …or something…
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You’ll NEVER believe this, but the Obama’s rented U-haul has just backed up to the White House where throngs of “Bliefers” have shown up to help them ~~pack~~ lie.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Have comments been disabled on this post?

mrsmwp on July 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM

I guess not…

mrsmwp on July 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM

His mother was an American citizen.

Good Lt on July 25, 2009 at 2:52 PM

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GoodLt, So what? You know it’s okay if you can’t read, hon, here, Hooked on Phonics” might help you finally GET THIS:

“A child born abroad on or after December 24, 1952 and before November 14, 1986 to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent can acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent can demonstrate that he or she was physically present in the United States for a minimum of ten years, at least five of which were after the age of fourteen, prior to the birth of the child.”

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Because Barack’s mother — born November 29, 1942 — bore him at the age of 18 years, eight months plus, she could not possibly qualify for the five year requirement. (A subsequent law reduced the five years to two, but only for children born after 1986, and made provisional retroactive exceptions favoring parents serving in the military or for international organization. Neither applies to Obama).
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Sing it with me now, “Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey, hey, hey, goodbye…”

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Here’s something I HAVEN’T SEEN MENTIONED ON HA or OTHER BLOGS:
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This is a matter of US national security. Because there are people in this world who know the truth and can prove it. They would be able to hold that knowledge and proof over his head to make him do their bidding, or else expose him as a fraud, liar and, yes, an illegal alien. That is not a risk that it is reasonable for the American people to take…”

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Have comments been disabled on this post?

mrsmwp on July 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM

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I have noticed something peculiar- the Comments number has gone down & up (was 905, then down to 898, then up to 910, now down to 902) Maybe AprilOrit is throwing the “n-word” around again like the other day BUT THIS TIME her racist rants against HA posters are being cut? Well, I can dream, can’t I?

AprilOrit”>AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:02 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Have comments been disabled on this post?

mrsmwp on July 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Site seems slow now too- which sucks because I just discovered a slew of new sources & information… it will have to wait till this site returns to normal. It’s not my connection- all other sites are instant…
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Must be all us “birthers” and “Bliefers” generating thousands of posts over the usual traffic. HotAir is just FULL… LOL!
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Allah, you should have done this sooner, especially before the election, when we could’ve avoided what seems to be an inevitable Constitutional Crisis. But better late than never. I salute you for FINALLY giving this topic it’s own (searchable, archivable) threads.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Now they can’t get their story straight as to which *hospital* he was born in.

Is it possible, please, for the attending physician or nurses to come forward, once and for all, and claim “we are the ones who delivered the infant Barack Obama”?

Note in advance: Spare me the dribble about how impossible it would be to recall something like that. You’re telling me that a black baby, born of a white woman in 1961, would have been utterly unmemorable? Not to mention the fact that this particular baby went on to become President of the United States, which might jog loose a few memory cells, in someone — impossible you say?

Nor should it be a mystery who was working there (at either hospital) during the summer of 1961; has anyone bothered to track those people down, or get them together to discuss it somehow?

I’m not even necessarily suggesting all this has to be about the birth certificate. What about the human-interest story of where the One, the Messiah, came into this world? What about the Story of his blessed Birth, on the first day of O-mas (Aug. 4), which would include where his manger was? I say, make it a tourist attraction, run guided tours, the works. Where do we drive the tour bus?

We may not be able to go back 2000 years to tell whether Jesus was born in Nazareth, Bethlehem or Jerusalem ;-), but surely we can go back to… 1961.

So, certainly His wise men (or women) can enlighten us, no?

You’d think his acolytes would want to know where the manger was, in order to get that bit of His personal mythos correct, for posterity and for the ~~history books~~sacred texts.

Or am I vastly overestimating their interest in the accurate recording of ~~history~~scripture?

RD on July 25, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Can anyone tell me why the Senate looked into McCain’s eligbility but not into that of Retzko’s Friend obama??

Was it a “let’s clear the air for John “reach across the aisle” Mccain or was it a “Maybe we can remove the opposition?”

bullseye on July 25, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Not you too, baldilocks!

Say it ain’t so! :-S

Good Lt on July 25, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Not me too what?

baldilocks on July 26, 2009 at 12:01 AM

baldilocks on July 26, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Pardon me for intruding, but are you:

1) Foaming at the mouth for the original Certificate of Live Birth because you believe Barry was born in indonesia?

2) Wanting to see the original COLB because you want to see everything Barry is hiding?

3) Thinking this issue is what will end Barry’s presidency, so it must be pushed and pushed hard?

4) Thinking this issue is interesting to pursue, but not as important as winning in 2010 and 2012?

5) Of another opinion that you will explain if and when and to whomever you choose to?

6) Of the opinion that I should butt out and mind my own business when someone else posts to you?

I hope that covers all possibilities. Thanks!

Loxodonta on July 26, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Is it possible, please, for the attending physician or nurses to come forward, once and for all, and claim “we are the ones who delivered the infant Barack Obama”?

Note in advance: Spare me the dribble about how impossible it would be to recall something like that. You’re telling me that a black baby, born of a white woman in 1961, would have been utterly unmemorable?

RD on July 25, 2009 at 9:25 PM

And if no one ever does come forward, then I humbly challenge the contention that he is the One.

RD on July 26, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Good Lt, forensic examiner Sandra Lines invalidated Obama’s computer image of a COLB – because it is insufficient for legal purposes and because it is highly suspected to be a forgery.

After all this time you still won’t acknowledge that a computer image is not legally acceptable documentation for anything.

There’s no use trying to do calculus with somebody who has yet to acknowledge that 2+2=4. This is basic factual information here. If we can’t even get that right, this is a hopeless discussion.

I doubt that you’re stupid, so I don’t understand why you’re ignoring the facts even after you’ve been shown them over and over.

In the end, the courts will either decide this or not. But in the meantime it’s been scary to see the backlash against those who only want legally acceptable documentation for the eligibility Obama has claimed on a document he signed. There are valid reasons to suspect that he perjured himself when he signed that document, so it seems like a no-brainer to at least check.

It’s surreal to see so many people having a cow over the expectation that Obama show his legal bona fides just like any of us lowlifes have to do for much more trivial issues. For everyone else this is standard operating procedure. Why do so many otherwise reasonable people insist Obama should get away with using Monopoly money?

justincase on July 26, 2009 at 1:23 AM

10 pages. Oh well, just figured I’d get in my normal point: Page 26 of Dreams from My Father indicates Obama found his birth certificate and vaccination forms when in high school, and it sounds like he still had them when he wrote memoir #1 about 16 years ago. The b.c. is not critical in the passage, it is about an article in a Honolulu newspaper he found ‘folded in with’ the b.c. and vaccination documents. I maintain that it is fair to ask, Why hasn’t he produced this?

raybury on July 26, 2009 at 1:30 AM

You can officially call me a “birther” now.
How many times can this scumbag Matthews get away with lying? Who started this whole contoversy? Not Republicans, it was DEMOCRATS who started this, DEMOCRATS like Phillip Berg.
This isn’t even an official “Certificate of Live Birth” it says “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” and Liddy was correct, a COLB is NOT admissible for I.D. to apply for a federal job.
The following, on the left, is an ACTUAL COLB, from Hawaii in 1961, notice at the top, it clealy says “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH”. On the left is Obama’s forged COLB which CLEALY says “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH”.
http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg
Now I will post a Hawaii “CERTIFICATION OF MARRIAGE”
http://www.foreigndocuments.com/images/docs/marriage_usa_hawaii_big.jpg

Take this into consideration, this may ALL be subterfuge, Obama may well HAVE an original birth certificate and was born in Hawaii and is keeping ALL of this stirred up as subterfuge. Subterfuge is EXACTLT what the 911 conspiracy theory is all about.
Do NOT forget, 911 conspiracy was started by German Communists, Matthias Brocker, Andreas Von Bulow, Gerhardt Wisnewski, on radio and the internet and French Communist, Thierry Meyssan in his book: 911; The Big Lie, a book published by George Soros owner PublicAffairs books. Records also show that Soros funded Brocker, and Wisnewski and also funded Dylan Avery in the 911 Conspiracy fraud video “Loose Change”.
This may well be subterfuge in the same way as the 911 Conspiracy Theory is, where the “Conspiracy Theory” IS the Conspiracy.
Obama could stop this immediately by releasing a copy of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate yet Obama has spent over a $Million in legal fees to prevent his original birth certificate from seeing the light of day.
Remember also that John McCain had to PROVE his status TWICE in Federal Court, so did George Romney and Barry Goldwater.
Let’s ALSO remember that it was the FAR LEFT that started this controversy, Phillip Berg, who was connected to Hillary Clinton.

nelsonknows on July 26, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Something else has me scratching my head; Shouldn’t the FBI have copies of Obama’s Original Birth Certificate, his High School and College transcripts, his passport or visa applications? Why would the FBI NOT have this information and IF not, how could ANYONE, who would have the HIGHEST security clearance in the U.S. NOT have been fully investigated by the FBI and have had a COMPLETE Background check?
I went throught a HUGE background check when I went for a security clearance in the U.S. Army, the FBI went over every record in existance that could possibly exist on me, including interviews with the County Sheriff, clergy, my high school teachers, my college professors, the WHOLE GAMBIT.
Is anyone going to tell me all of the suits have been filed and NO ONE has attempted to subpoena FBI records on Obama?

nelsonknows on July 26, 2009 at 1:55 AM

nelsonknows on July 26, 2009 at 1:46AM

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****Here are the links to COMPARE
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a REAL 1963 HAWAIIAN Cert of Live Birth
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TO THE ONLINE VERSION OF Obama’s posted COLB

****They’re NOTHING ALIKE.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 1:59 AM

I’m not sure what you mean by “This says alot.” Are you talking about why people are running into so many dead ends (no pun intended- rest his soul) when they try to get info on The One?
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I’m also not a conspiracy theorist, so it’s a stretch for me to go there. Perhaps the “Bliefers” (Blind Believers in Obama) would like to connect some Obama-”victim-y” scenerio.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM

It says alot about our media, even those on the internet, it says alot about our courts, because we won’t hear a word from the man, about the man, Lt Quarles Harris JR, who was only 24 years old,who was working with the feds, not protected, but left to die. I mean, My God, this man has been shot after working as a key witness pertaining to, Passport Fraud?…The INFO STOLEN was Clinton’s, MCains’s and OBAMA’S Passport info… if the O’s Passport info was taken maybe he is being Blackmailed? Who the F’N Cares Anyway?

jollybird on July 26, 2009 at 3:06 AM

His Passport is probably the key to his eligibility.

jollybird on July 26, 2009 at 3:25 AM

The way I remember this when it first came up was that in Hawaii at the time he was born, if only one parent was a citizen, that parent had to have been a citizen for a certain number of years as an adult and his mother was too young to have done that.

A point I’ve heard recently was what passport did he use to travel to Pakistan in 1981, because at the time one couldn’t do it with an American passport.

I personally don’t think he is a natural born citizen, but can you imagine Joe Biden being president?

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

A point I’ve heard recently was what passport did he use to travel to Pakistan in 1981, because at the time one couldn’t do it with an American passport.

You heard wrong. There was no ‘ban’ for traveling to Pakistan using an American passport at that time. There was a Travel Advisory however. It had something to do with that little skirmish in Afghanistan with those pesky Soviets.

I personally don’t think he is a natural born citizen, but can you imagine Joe Biden being president?

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

I would take a potential President Biden over the America hater in a second. Besides, no one would take his buffonery serious. That’s a far less dangerous proposition.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 7:34 AM

oops
buffonery=buffoonery

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 7:44 AM

Maybe AprilOrit is throwing the “n-word” around

Was that just temporary insanity or do you completely freak out

If you pay attention it is not hard to figure people out on here. They tend to be honest in thier anonymity, and when they are not as in aprilorit’s case, it still isn’t hard to figure them out. HA is a crusade for ao, who is a wack job grenwich village bathhouse attendant. ao thinks because he has these views that it makes him brilliant and he can come over here to a conservative website and use his brilliance to pretend to be a compassionate conservative and subtly turn us neandorthal conservatives all into fruitloops without us realizing it is happening. His arguements are mainly nonsensical and circular. If you were in a coffee shop listening to ao talk honestly to his friends it would probably sound like a mix of pol pot, hugo chavez, rosie odonnel and edith bunker.

peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 7:55 AM

darwin- good questions- BELOW ARE my NEWLY researched answers WITH LINKS one at a time:
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QUESTION 1 OF 3:

1) The way I remember this when it first came up was that in Hawaii at the time he was born, if only one parent was a citizen, that parent had to have been a citizen for a certain number of years as an adult and his mother was too young to have done that.

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06
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ANSWER:

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“A child born abroad on or after December 24, 1952 and before November 14, 1986 to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent can acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent can demonstrate that he or she was physically present in the United States for a minimum of ten years, at least five of which were after the age of fourteen, prior to the birth of the child.”

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Because Barack’s mother — born November 29, 1942 — bore him at the age of 18 years, eight months plus, she could not possibly qualify for the five year requirement. (A subsequent law reduced the five years to two, but only for children born after 1986, and made provisional retroactive exceptions favoring parents serving in the military or for international organization. Neither applies to Obama).

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM

darwin- good questions- BELOW ARE my NEWLY researched answers WITH LINKS one at a time:
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QUESTION 2 of 3:

2) A point I’ve heard recently was what passport did he use to travel to Pakistan in 1981, because at the time one couldn’t do it with an American passport.

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06
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ANSWER:

2) Martial Law under General Zia-ul-Haq [1977-1985] from
“The Story of Pakistan” http://www.storyofpakistan.com/articletext.asp?artid=A075&Pg=3

On February 6, 1981, Movement for Restoration of Democracy was established to return democracy to Pakistan. A provisional Constitution was enforced on March 23, 1981, as the Constitution of 1973 had been suspended with the imposition of Martial Law.

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Finally, after the nomination of Muhammad Khan Junejo as Prime Minister of Pakistan on March 20, 1985, Junejo fulfilled his promise of lifting the Martial Law and the restoration of the fundamental rights, but at the price of enforcement of the Eighth Amendment and the validation of the Revival of the Constitutional Order. -This article was last updated on Sunday, June 01, 2003

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM

darwin- good questions- BELOW ARE my NEWLY researched answers WITH LINKS one at a time:
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QUESTION 3 of 3:
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3) I personally don’t think he is a natural born citizen, but can you imagine Joe Biden being president?

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06
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ANSWER:

3) If Obama is found to be ineligible due to his lies of ommission or commission- he will be guilty of a vast array of crimes perpetrated on the American people- not the least of which is fraud. Questions of what (Biden, Pelosi, Reid, & the whole Democrat Party- who were ultimately responsible for vetting their candidates) knew & when they knew it WOULD REMOVE THEM FROM LINE OF SUCCESSION. .
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Any evidence of cover up or other crimes would cast the entire 2008 Presidential Election into a criminal venue-oOVERTURNING the results and calling for A NEW ELECTION.
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(and no I’m not hoping for a McCain resurgence- he may well be complicit
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IF a thorough investigation is conducted into Obama’s records- INCLUDING HIS PASSPORT(S)*SEE Q&A 2 ABOVE, COLLEGE ADMISSION RECORDS (there is a record of “a Barry Soetoro” entering Occidental- COINCIDENTALLY the SAME YEAR Obama entered- but Soetoro’s status was “foreign student” /*channels “Bliefers”*/ “SO WE KNOW THAT COULDN’T BE OUR OBAMA”, ONLY THEN WILL WE, THE PEOPLE, BE SATISFIED. McCain, A WAR HERO, still had to endure humiliating Congressional Hearings into his birth certificate & had to produce the orignal for a court-certified forensic document examinerWhy accept less from Obama?

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM

peacenprosperity – you mean the “she’s” a he? And he’s a who?

A Grenich Ilich bathhouse attendant would figure… I was so hoping for the young-ish Republican Hebrew student looking for love online. (And FWIW I missed the recent hullabaloo with lady April so I need to go track down how “she” met her demise.)

Well, perhaps natural selection will eventually yield a better class of troll, a superbug of sorts. There may be a couple of half-decent ones still lurking (yes, you… you know who you are) but they will eventually reveal themselves. They always do.

RD on July 26, 2009 at 12:16 PM

A point I’ve heard recently was what passport did he use to travel to Pakistan in 1981, because at the time one couldn’t do it with an American passport

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~~You heard wrong~~I CAN’T REALLY READ. There was no ‘ban’ for traveling to Pakistan using an American passport at that time. There was a Travel Advisory however. It had something to do with that little skirmish in Afghanistan with those pesky Soviets.
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I personally don’t think he is a natural born citizen, but can you imagine Joe Biden being president?

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

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I would take a potential President Biden over the America hater in a second. Besides, no one would take his buffonery serious. That’s a far less dangerous proposition.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 7:34 AM

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ANUTS, ANUS, ACORNS, whatever you call yourself, I’ve ANSWERED/REBUTTED EACH OF YOUR QUESTIONS IN THIS LONG LONG THREAD yet you persist in your idiocy. You are a WASTE OF ~~SKIN~~ TIME. Have someone read you my answers (above) to your latest vacuous drivel.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Maybe AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:02PM is throwing the “n-word” around

Was that just temporary insanity or do you completely freak out

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HA is a crusade for ao, who is a wack job grenwich village bathhouse attendant. ao thinks because he has these views that it makes him brilliant and he can come over here to a conservative website and use his brilliance to pretend to be a compassionate conservative and subtly turn us neandorthal conservatives all into fruitloops without us realizing it is happening. …His arguements are mainly nonsensical and circular. If you were in a coffee shop listening to ao talk honestly to his friends it would probably sound like a mix of pol pot, hugo chavez, rosie odonnel and edith bunker.

peacenprosperity on July 26, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Good to know, peacenprosperity. Thanks for the heads-up. I really enjoy your commentary here at HotAir.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Well, this certainly puts InfoWars.com to shame.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Well, this certainly puts InfoWars.com to shame.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Yes, because members of the public wishing access to the public records of a public servant, are completely insane and will cause the fall of the republic or something.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Yes, because members of the public wishing access to the public records of a public servant, are completely insane and will cause the fall of the republic or something.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 1:16 PM

You got access. You cried fraud. Lather, rinse, repeat.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM

You got access. You cried fraud. Lather, rinse, repeat.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Really, we can go ahead and get a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate now?

Or do you mean we have to be satisfied with the photoshop published by DailyKOS, although I’d hardly call that public access.

Please clarify.

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Or do you mean we have to be satisfied with the photoshop published by ~~DailyKOS~~the Hawaii Department of Health…

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I suppose you won’t.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I suppose you won’t.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Really, the Hawaii Department of Health has an image of Obama’s vault birth certificate posted on their website?

Well, that would change everything, link please!

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 3:14 PM

ANUTS, ANUS, ACORNS, whatever you call yourself, I’ve ANSWERED/REBUTTED EACH OF YOUR QUESTIONS IN THIS LONG LONG THREAD yet you persist in your idiocy. You are a WASTE OF SKIN TIME. Have someone read you my answers (above) to your latest vacuous drivel.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Not entirely true. No one, including yourself, has answered my question as to where in the Constitution (or any legal document or statute) does it distinguish between what is acceptable/unacceptable documentation to prove one’s POTUS eligibility.

You also didn’t answer my question here:

anuts on July 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM

And still, a travel advisory does not equate to a travel ban. Agree?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Guys, a COLB from Hawaii was routinely issued to record births outside the country and the practice was stopped. It is not a Birth certificate. Mathews is deliberately trying to muddy the definition.

A COLB isn’t valid to acquire a passport, run for President OR sign your kid up for little league. Just as Liddy stated.

Bozo needs to produce a real actual Birth Certificate, not a COLB.

dogsoldier on July 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM

The US Senate held a special session to review the eligibility of John McCain to run for President, where they checked HIS actual birth certificate and cooberating documents.

dogsoldier on July 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The US Senate held a special session to review the eligibility of John McCain to run for President, where they checked HIS actual birth certificate and cooberating documents.

dogsoldier on July 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

That doesn’t surprise me. And he probably cooperated fully. I wonder what would have happened if he told them to go pound sand.

A COLB isn’t valid to acquire a passport, run for President OR sign your kid up for little league. Just as Liddy stated.

Bozo needs to produce a real actual Birth Certificate, not a COLB.

dogsoldier on July 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Where is the legal source that explicitly states the bold above?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

And still, a travel advisory does not equate to a travel ban. Agree?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM

I don’t know the answer, but isn’t it possible the ban was issued by Pakistan itself, and not the USA?

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM

I don’t know the answer, but isn’t it possible the ban was issued by Pakistan itself, and not the USA?

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Yes, it is possible. However, it wasn’t the case. And it wouldn’t have made very much sense either. In the same year, the US started sending billions of dollars in the form of economic and military aid. Below is an historical summation of our relations with Pakistan with a timeline.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/crs/crs94041.htm

Below is the actual State Department Travel Advisory:

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf

State Department Travel Advisory Pakistan 1981

“Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.”

US State Department Travel Advisory for Pakistan in 1981, No. 81-33A

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Even if you “Bliefers” (Blind Believers in Obama) have 8mm film of Mickey Mantle delivering Obama with his catcher’s mit as he emerged from his mother’s womb on second base during 7th inning stretch of the 1961 World Series- IT DOES NOT MATTER.
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Obama told us his Daddy was not a citizen plus his Daddy never had legal residency…and did I mention that NO ONE CAN AQUIRE Natural Born Citizenship At Birth status. You either ARE or ARE NOT… AT BIRTH..
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A analogy: Obama was a male AT BIRTH and, let’s say, one day he decides he’d rather be Bill Ayer’s GIRLfriend. So he has gender-reassignment surgery and BAM! he BECOMES A FEMALE. His new legal status as a woman CAN’T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE WAS A MALE-AT-BIRTH.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

The US Senate held a special session to review the eligibility of John McCain to run for President, where they checked HIS actual birth certificate and cooberating documents.

dogsoldier on July 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Do you happen to know how this was initiated? ie did the democraps do this to try to void mccain??

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Was this directed at me? If so, I don’t get the rehashed Mickey Mantle/sex change post and its connection to anything I’ve posted since (or before for that matter).

And again, why would you speak (falsely in my case) against ‘blind believers in Obama’, so called, when in the same thread you are the person taking Obama at his word…on two seperate occasions, no less. Hardly an effective debating tactic.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

A COLB isn’t valid to acquire a passport, run for President OR sign your kid up for little league. Just as Liddy stated.

Bozo needs to produce a real actual Birth Certificate, not a COLB.

dogsoldier on July 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Where is the legal source that explicitly states the bold above?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

OK, you are talking about the speck in our eye and ignoring the beam in yours.

The question at hand is “Is ozero legitimate?” The constitution has clear requirements for legitimacy

There are a couple of potential problems with ozero

1. He might not have been born in the US

2. He might not be a ‘natural born citizen’ due to the nationality of his father (british SUBJECT)

3. He may have taken on Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by daddyo #2.

4. He has sealed his college records leading to speculation that he was studying here as a foreign student.

5. He has attacked people who have questioned his legitimacey (ie the good major getting sacked)

6. There is no apparent vetting process other than the State SOS’s are supposed to vet. However, it is quite possible that none of them did that. Who would think someone would be brazen enough to run without proper credentials? The guy or gal running for county tax collector most likely had to put up a lot more proof than ozero.

So. .. the answer to your question of dogsoldier is that the president needs to be a natural born citizen. Thus far he has not shown any conclusive proof that he meets that qualification. Therefore, your question is moot. The real answer is that there is no proof the constitutional requirements have been met.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:19 PM

And again, why would you speak (falsely in my case) against ‘blind believers in Obama’, so called, when in the same thread you are the person taking Obama at his word…on two seperate occasions, no less. Hardly an effective debating tactic.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Once again, a strawman arguement. There is quite a difference between blind belief and believing certain things to be true.

Let’s put it this way. There were a lot of people who had a blind belief if a one testicaled paper hanging corporal. That was ideology

However, there were instances where people would believe what he said. Ie blaming the Jews for all of Germany’s problems. If I read Mein Kampf, and took Hitler at his word that he hated Jews, that is not the same as a blind belief in the Syphilitic twerp.

When the jugeared jackass said “I will bankrupt the coal industry” and “I sought out Marxist Professors” those are statements he made. Believing that he said them and means them is not blind belief.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

However, there were instances where people would believe what he said. Ie blaming the Jews for all of Germany’s problems. If I read Mein Kampf, and took Hitler at his word that he hated Jews, that is not the same as a blind belief in the Syphilitic twerp.

I want to clarify the above paragraph that was poorly worded by me. The point is that if someone takes hitler at his word that be hates Jews, that is not a blind belief in Hitler. It is simply assesing all the information and realizing that the little paperhanger meant what he said.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM

From “Israel Insider”:
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A senior official in the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his “birth certificate” lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
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Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was “valid,” she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
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Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days. She could not refer to Obama’s specific case, she said, because no one but an authorized family member can do so. But she did confirm that a valid “certification of live birth” would need to have an embossed seal and signature and that it can ONLY be printed and MAILED. *****There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ELECTRONIC-ONLY CERTIFICATION…
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Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us “to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
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And there you have it. Okubo can’t “even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents” because she is not allowed access to Barack Obama’s personal records. State law prohibits it.

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The article is worth reading in full. You know when it was published? Last month? No. June 2008! But millions of “bliefers” have ARROGANTLY DISMISSED OBAMA’S LIES FOR OVER A YEAR. Millions have come around just in the past few weeks & days as the truth of Obama’s leftist policies have shook them from their fog or deprogrammed their cult-like belief system. I don’t expect all will come around- even after being presented with solid proof in court.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Not entirely true. No one, including yourself, has answered my question as to where in the Constitution (or any legal document or statute) does it distinguish between what is acceptable/unacceptable documentation to prove one’s POTUS eligibility.

You also didn’t answer my question here:

The question HAS been answered ad nauseum. The constitution does not specify which documents are ‘acceptable’. It simply states that one must be a natural born citizen.

The COLB as people have stated repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and over and over again, could be easily obtained by people who do not meet the ‘natural born citizen’ requirements. ergo, it is about as useful as a sheet of bounty paper towels.

This can be resolved in 2012 if a couple of state elections boards put up some stringent “show us proof you are eleigbile” rules. Doing that though, will be the equivalent of lighting a match in a fireworks store.

Let’s ask YOU a question.

“If none of the ‘proof’ offered by Ozero is valid proof of his eligibility would you”

1. Just say “Drop it, he’s in so let him stay in. So what about requirements”

2. Believe there should be a review of his elibililty knowing that the result of a finding that he isn’t eligible may well result in a lot of work for fire restoration teams, morticians, hospitals and plate glass companies.

So, tell us where you would stand on this??? just wondering.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM

anutbag & any other “bliefers” (blind believers in The One), I understand why many of you are upset. The BIG LIE is out now & it has traction & momentum.
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People EVERYWHERE HAVE FINALLY TUNED IN & ARE NOW PAYING CLOSER ATTENTION THAN EVER to every move & mistake ObamACORN & other liberal Dems are making.
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You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube… You could cut your losses & stand up & UNITE for the good of our country.
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But the best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior, so I don’t hold out much hope for the true Blind Obama Believers = “bliefers”

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM

OK, you are talking about the speck in our eye and ignoring the beam in yours.

The question at hand is “Is ozero legitimate?” The constitution has clear requirements for legitimacy

[...]

So. .. the answer to your question of dogsoldier is that the president needs to be a natural born citizen. Thus far he has not shown any conclusive proof that he meets that qualification. Therefore, your question is moot. The real answer is that there is no proof the constitutional requirements have been met.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:19 PM

You know what? I agree with the bold. Always have. However, it doesn’t matter Constitutionally what I find to be sufficient or conclusive. The point is there is no specific wording…anywhere, that states what is necessary legally to prove one’s eligibility. Until that happens in legally binding explicit language, this whole approach to the issue is moot. All of it.

Rule of law must always prevail. You cannot be in violation of a non existent law. It’s an impossibility. He is in violation of our own qualifications. Not of any non existent ‘proof of POTUS eligibility’ law.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Again, I ask you. What legal code is he in violation of that states COLB is not sufficient enough for POTUS eligibility?

When I use the phrase POTUS eligibility, I mean only that. Not passport requirement.
Not little league sponsorship/coach.
Not state id.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Once again, a strawman arguement. There is quite a difference between blind belief and believing certain things to be true.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

The other poster’s claim that I am a ‘blind believer in Obama’ is without merit, cause, support, and is downright false. I was trying to illustrate this very sillyness by reciprocating. It was not/is not intended for argument purposes.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM

The question HAS been answered ad nauseum. The constitution does not specify which documents are ‘acceptable’.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM

And with that admission and understanding this whole issue is meaningless in any legal aspect.

Rule of law. That’s all I ask.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:10 PM

You got access. You cried fraud. Lather, rinse, repeat.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM</blockquote

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For MadCon, anuts & others who insist a COLB is sufficient for a passport, etc. Obama’s COLB WASN’T SIGNED- AIN’T VALID SAYS THE STATE OF HAWAII’S OWN DEPT OF HEALTH’S DIR. OF COMMUNICIATIONS, THE NOW FAMOUS, JANICE OKUBO – READ & WEEP. RINSE & REPEAT.
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From “Israel Insider”:
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A senior official in the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his “birth certificate” lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature
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But Okubo did confirm that a VALID “certification of live birth” would
NEED TO HAVE AN EMBOSSED SEAL AND SIGNATURE
and that it can ONLY be printed and MAILED. *****There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ELECTRONIC-ONLY CERTIFICATION…
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OKUBO. CONFIRMED. HIS. COLB. LACKS. NECESSARY. SEAL. & SIGNATURE. ==== NOT VALID- what part of that don’t YOU GET?
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OBAMA COULDN’T HAVE USED THAT COLB- EVEN THE PAPER COPY- IF IT EXISTS- TO:
OBTAIN A PASSPORT
PROVE ELIGIBILITY FOR SENATE OR DOG CATCHER
SIGN UP FOR LITTLE LEAGUE=
IT HAS NO SIGNATURE

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
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You keep asking the same questions over & over even though people have answered you.
~Do you have a strong metal taste in your mouth?
~Does one side of your face droop?
~Have you recently lost your imaginary friend?
I’m starting to get concerned that you may have suffered a stroke… or something…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM

For MadCon, anuts & others who insist a COLB is sufficient for a passport

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Come on, please. I have never made such a claim. I have only been concerned with POTUS eligibility in this thread. That is the whole point of this thread.

If possible, try staying on point and get the claims right for those you are arguing.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM

You keep asking the same questions over & over even though people have answered you.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM

No one, not one person, has answered or cited the explicit legal language that covers required documentation for POTUS eligibility. And it can’t be done. It doesn’t exist. So that now leaves us with what legal recourse are we to take and what legal justification/precedent are we (you) to use?

Rule of law.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Oh my, this thread has gotten to the all caps and bold stage…

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

A nut, the standard of proof in this country is a Certified birth certificate- like the Congressional hearing on John McCain’s eligibility sought.
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If IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THOSE CONGRESSIONAL BALLBUSTERS, it should work for regular ballbusters like you.
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REMEMBER: BIRTH CERTIFICATE= A VALID, SIGNED one, that is. If Obama doesn’t have one, which he DOES NOT, ACCORDING TO the same Hawaiian official all the libtards have been quoting, Janice Okubo, SAYS HIS COLB IS NOT VALID= NO SIGNATURE. If that’s all he’s got, he needs to go to jail.
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Get off your lazy ass and go look it up yourself. Stop asking for help just to fill up the page.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Rule of law.

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM

As far as I know, there is no law specific for POTUS eligibility.

However, there are laws as what constitutes proper identification for federal employees, which is exactly what the office of president is. According to those, lesser, requirements, the COLB bandied about does not meet them, ever mind the stricter constitutional requirements of natural born citizen. If the COLB cannot serve to get a job at the post office, it certainly cannot serve for the position of president.

Rebar on July 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Oh my, this thread has gotten to the all caps and bold stage…

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

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Trust me, I’m just warming up.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Have you seen this youtube?

DanaSmiles on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM

From “Israel Insider”:
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A senior official in the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his “birth certificate” lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
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But SHE DID CONFIRM that a VALID “certification of live birth” would NEED TO HAVE an embossed seal and SIGNATURE and that it can ONLY be printed and MAILED. *****There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ELECTRONIC-ONLY CERTIFICATION…
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EVEN IF OBAMA’S GOT A PAPER COPY OF HIS COLB- IT HAS NO SIGNATURE- NOT VALID- SAYS HAWAIIAN OFFICIAL JANICE OKUBO

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Again, I ask you. What legal code is he in violation of that states COLB is not sufficient enough for POTUS eligibility?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM

This fallacious argument of yours is driving me nuts. You are asking for a legal code saying COLB is not sufficinet.

That is a bogus argument.

let’s recap for the 10 to the 24th time.

1. There is a requirement in the constitution that POTUS be a natural born citizen

2. Ozero has not presented any evidence that he meets those requirements.

3. It has been stated repeatedly that a COLB can easily be obtained by someone who does not meet the “natural born citizen” requirement. Ergo, it is useless in this case.

If you still don’t understand it at this point, then see if your community college offers Logic 101 or the equivalent.

Also, you have not answered my previous question about what you think should be done if we discover that a president is not qualified

1. Let a usurper sit in office

2. Remove him from office.

Exit question – Does anyone wonder why Ozero got so upset when the Wanna be dictator was removed from office via a legitimate process of that country? Makes you kind of go Hmmmmmm

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Again, I ask you. What ~~legal code is he in violation of~~ other crap can I pull out of my butt now that states Obama’s UNSIGNED, INVALID PER HAWAII’S HEALTH DEPT SPOKESPERSON, OKUBO- COLB is not sufficient enough for POTUS eligibility?

anuts on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM

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Hey squirrel bait or nutwipe or whatever you go by, FIFY… Pssst… Obama’s FAKE COLB IS A FAKE-FAKE COLB.
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Now what are you going to ask us- WHAT LEGAL CODE is OBAMA in violation of BY USING A FAKE, UNSIGNED DOCUMENT TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC? .
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It’s over & ACORN’s budget is about to be eviscerated & all the other little a-nuts are going to vanish from HotAir & other right-leaning blogs.
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Meanwhile, why don’t you stop trying to turn this site into your own little personal circle jerk, k? Hey, hey, hey, goodbye… SING IT WITH ME…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Sorry, I forgot the link in my last couple of posts. *softly sings “If I Only Had a Brain”. Read all about it (OBAMA’S “INVALID UNSIGNED” FAKE-FAKE COLB PER HAWAII’S HEALTH DEPT, JANICE OKUBO) at Israel’s daily publication: Israeli Insider

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

From “Israel Insider”:

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Sorry, I forgot the link in my last couple of posts. *softly sings “If I Only Had a Brain”. Read all about it (OBAMA’S “INVALID UNSIGNED” FAKE-FAKE COLB PER HAWAII’S HEALTH DEPT, JANICE OKUBO) at Israel’s daily publication: Israeli Insider

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM

OK, let’s focus there…

The page has two source links, the one of particular interest is this one…

Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times, and a reporter for the paper’s “Politifact” blog, said that she has been seeking the birth certificate “for months.” She was frustrated: “Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.”

What happens when you click on the link ?

One is treated to a page of the St. Petersburg Times PolitiFact mercilessly slagging all things Birther.

But wait, there’s more…

If you click on the first link in the text, one may read an update of the story…

Here’s what the DHLL site says now: “The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called “long” and “short” forms.

“They’re just words,” said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.”

“There’s only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it’s been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

“When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site,” she said. “That’s the birth certificate.”

As for the theory that Obama’s original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the “Certification of Live Birth” would say so. Obama’s does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.

That disorienting sensation in your head is from cognitive dissonance, but elgeneralisimo feels it will pass real soon in your case because he shares the same sentiment as was expressed in the article…

We harbor no delusions that anything we say here will slow the persistent drumbeat of the birthers, but we rule this statement False.

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

I personally don’t think he is a natural born citizen, but can you imagine Joe Biden being president?

darwin-t on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

Under a scenario that a President would be held disqualified from office under Constitutional grounds, under the 25th Amendment, Biden would then be ALSO disqualified because the Vice President runs as on the ticket of the President and The House of Representatives would select a new President.

nelsonknows on July 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Well, this certainly puts InfoWars.com to shame.

MadisonConservative on July 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM

ACTUALLY, The fraud, Alex Jones, won’t touch this with a 10 foot pole, he’s too busy assaulting Michelle Malkin and felching Ron Paul and his merry band of 911 conspiracy fruitcakes…don’t forget, Alex Jones is ALSO a George Soros lapdog.

nelsonknows on July 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM

How about we just wait for Keyes V Obama to go to court, that should be interesting. This lawsuit is due to go to court in the next few weeks.

nelsonknows on July 26, 2009 at 11:28 PM

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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NICE TRY…but not so fast, elgeneralisimo…
That SAME article you’re quoting published June 17, 2009 says:

On Oct. 31, 2008, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, issued this statement:… “Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

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Then on July 24, 2009 HotAir linked to a story in the L.A. TIMES: CNN President Jon Klein declares Obama birther story ‘dead’ in which the following appears:
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CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers… Thursday night that the supposed controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead” story after anchor Lou Dobbs drew attention for raising the issue repeatedly on his radio program.
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The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air,
***informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001.****
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A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.
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“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote, according to TVNewser. “Since the show’s mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.”
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In his show Thursday, Dobbs did note the explanation from Hawaiian officials, though he went on to devote another segment to the topic, interviewing CNN contributor Roland Martin and Rep. Ted Poe, a co-sponsor of a bill that would require future presidential candidates to produce their birth certificates.
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Here’s Dobbs’ opening:
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“President Obama promised transparency and openness in his administration. Yet, he’s chosen not to release his original birth certificate or a copy of it. And a number of Americans are asking, why not? The left-wing media has attacked me because I simply asked the question. Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can’t release a paper copy of the president’s original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago. That explanation, however, has not satisfied some critics.”
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In the segment, Dobbs stressed that he has said repeatedly that he believes Obama is a citizen, something that he said his critics in the “left-wing media” ignore..
But he continued to press the question of why Obama has not shown a long-form birth certificate. “When this could be dispelled so quickly, and — and simply by producing it, why not do it?” Dobbs asked..

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WHY INDEED.
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So, in Oct 08, the Director of Hawaii’s Health Dept. says that she & the registrar of Vital Statistics
***HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AND VERIFIED***
OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
… the documents that the state of Hawaii DESTROYED 8 YEARS AGO??????????????????
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And the plot thickens…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

That disorienting sensation in your head is from cognitive dissonance, but elgeneralisimo feels it will pass real soon in your case because he shares the same sentiment as was expressed in the article…
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elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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That “whoooshing” noise in your head is the sound of you & your big words, your oversized ego AND your pathetic THEORY being flushed down the crapper, but NightmareOnKStreet feels it won’t pass anytime soon because you’re so full of bovine excrement that you & your merry gang of “bliefers” (blind believers in Obama) have been circling the drain for too long.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 12:03 AM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 12:03 AM

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I regret that I did not maintain my composure but let my temper get the best of me in that last post. I’ve just had it with the sheer number of people like us & the energy that is being expended by us being put in such a untenable position as to have to take sides in this country over something that our national leaders could easily rectify.
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I have always said that the birth cerificate alone can not make Obama eligible- he’s a dual citizen at birth- by his own admission. That, and natural born citizen at birth status are mutually exclusive.
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McCain, a war hero, was subjected to a Congressional hearing wherein he produced his original certified birth certificate to a court-certified forensic document examiner. Obama, who has left almost no footprints in 48 years, posted a non-certified electronic COLB on his website and has been thumbing his nose at our Constitution and our citizens since.
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He needs to show more respect. Then he needs to pack his bags.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Unlike 9/11 trutherism or the Kennedy assassination it’d be very easy to put this thing to bed… Obama could just trot out his birth certificate.

End of discussion.

Skywise on July 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM

He did. End of discussion.

hicsuget on July 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM

hicsuget:

A) HOW is this possible: (FactCheck’s claim to have Examined the “Original“) if it went Digital, and only Copies were available?

B) FactCheck is reportedly a Leftist Organization… In their opening “finding” on your link, they use argumentative language that “Obama was attacked…”

C) I could start my OWN website tomorrow called “www.AbsolutelyCorrect.com” or “www.VerifyAnything.com” and say whatever I want… would that make my “claims” any more valid? What if I got people that agreed with me to back me up?

Faulty Logic, citing a group Friendly to the Administration.

All the wise-cracking in the world (within this thread) doesn’t solve the One, Simple Question:
Why spend nearly a Million dollars to cover up All the Documents that he has, rather than spend $10 to put it to rest?

Is the argument “What would it achieve?”, or “What then, impeach him?” an effective enough Distraction to deter the Constitutional Laws of our land?

Personally, I just want such a “Transparent” President to be, well… Transparent and Truthful… especially when That was part of his platform to get elected. (And NO, I don’t believe ANY of the Lies they tell to get votes, so Please; forego any contrived arguments).

But, at least be intellectually Honest in Dismissing it as a Conspiracy.
It’s a Valid concern, legally.
Suggesting that citing one or two people (Corsi, etc.) as “nuts” somehow “Undermines” the Entire Concept of his Constitutional Eligibility, is absurd.

That’s the same, antiquated argument put forth by the Chicken Littles of the Climate Crisis breed… “There IS no debate”.

The ONLY reason to silence debate is (NOT to “attract more Conspiracy traction”, exposing the radicalism of your opposition; though a good Fringe-Benefit)… it’s to Hide Something you don’t want discovered.

IS IT that he’s NOT a Natural-Born Citizen, and therefore Unqualified to serve as Commander-In-Chief?
WHO KNOWS?

But I’m certain there’s SOMETHING being hidden!

nationspatriotcom on July 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM

That disorienting sensation in your head is from cognitive dissonance, but elgeneralisimo feels it will pass real soon in your case because he shares the same sentiment as was expressed in the article…

elgeneralisimo on July 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Are you the same troll on the RNC and Dick Morris (YouTube) comments that repeats this EXACT lingo with each new video they produce, or do you just cut & paste it from other drones?

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM

You owe NO apology. Your points are valid, and wanton ignorance sometimes makes the best of us a little peeved at times.

nationspatriotcom on July 27, 2009 at 3:49 AM

WHY INDEED.
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So, in Oct 08, the Director of Hawaii’s Health Dept. says that she & the registrar of Vital Statistics
***HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AND VERIFIED***
OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
… the documents that the state of Hawaii DESTROYED 8 YEARS AGO??????????????????
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And the plot thickens…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Answers are easy to find if you bother to look…

§338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original. [L 1949, c 327, §23; RL 1955, §57-22; am L 1957, c 8, §1; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-19]

Just in case anyone has trouble parsing it…

State has original piece of paper.
State makes microphotographic copy.
Microphotographic copy = original piece of paper legally in the State.
State discards piece of paper, maintains microphotographic copy.

elgeneralisimo on July 27, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Answers are easy to find if you bother to look…

§338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies.

****The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original.***
[L 1949, c 327, §23; RL 1955, §57-22; am L 1957, c 8, §1; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-19]

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Just in case anyone has trouble parsing it…

State has original piece of paper.
State makes microphotographic copy.
Microphotographic copy = original piece of paper legally in the State.
State discards piece of paper, maintains microphotographic copy.

elgeneralisimo on July 27, 2009 at 8:49 AM

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PARSE THIS YOU ARROGANT, DISMISSIVE ASS: Try parsing your own (NON-LINKED quoted statute- see that tricky little sentence in bold? “…copies shall be competent evidence IN ALL COURTS…” ????????
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COURTS- IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT EVIDENCE- it REQUIRES A COURT to SEE IT- just like McCain did for those pesky Congressional ballbusters – VIEWED IN COURT BY A COURT-CERTIFIED FORENSIC EXAMINER
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Hey, el-general-less-is-more, no one is buying your feeble attempt to PROVIDE COVER FOR THE MOUNTING LIES. You & your fellow “bliefers” (Blind Believers in Obama) ARE JUST CIRCLING THE DRAIN.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM

3. It has been stated repeatedly that a COLB can easily be obtained by someone who does not meet the “natural born citizen” requirement. Ergo, it is useless in this case.

If you still don’t understand it at this point, then see if your community college offers Logic 101 or the equivalent.

As of now, whatever has been shown to the state of Hawaii, Illinois, Congress, or any level of courts has been sufficient enough to meet said requirement.

My apologies if you find it frustrating that I still don’t understand how one would go about challenging this when there is no legal provision explicitly stating what is and what is not acceptable.

Also, you have not answered my previous question about what you think should be done if we discover that a president is not qualified

1. Let a usurper sit in office

2. Remove him from office.

bullseye on July 26, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I’m sorry. I missed this earlier. If irrefutable information comes out that he is in fact ineligible, then he needs to be removed from office. I also believe that any and all items containing his signature while POTUS would be null and void. This includes his cabinet and their signatures.

Then I have no idea how the country would proceed to fill that void. I can only envision 3 possibilities:

1. McCain and his team assemble an administration.
2. A special election of sorts between McCain and whoever.
3. A runoff between McCain and Hillary.

It would make for an interesting process and history, no doubt.

anuts on July 27, 2009 at 4:50 PM

A nut, the standard of proof in this country is a Certified birth certificate- like the Congressional hearing on John McCain’s eligibility sought.
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If IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THOSE CONGRESSIONAL BALLBUSTERS, it should work for regular ballbusters like you.

Get off your lazy ass and go look it up yourself. Stop asking for help just to fill up the page.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM

In all fairness I think you are assuming that I believe their ballbusting of McCain over this was Constitutionally necessary. I don’t hold that position and then seek a different standard for Obama. Had McCain told them to stuff it I don’t perceive the Constitution would have any beef whatsoever.

Hey squirrel bait or nutwipe or whatever you go by, FIFY… Pssst… Obama’s FAKE COLB IS A FAKE-FAKE COLB.

I think that’s a seperate legal issue all together. If a claim is made that his documentation is fake, then it would be up to ‘claim maker’ to prove this in court. Until then, Obama is not legally obliged to prove his innocence.

It’s over & ACORN’s budget is about to be eviscerated & all the other little a-nuts are going to vanish from HotAir & other right-leaning blogs.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I don’t know why you think I would vanish from here. This is my favorite site. Take care and have a good one.

…you bright little ray of sunshine, you.

anuts on July 27, 2009 at 5:09 PM

“Unseal” what? The COLB is the official document that the world government, and all the state agencies need to see.
If he showed the “original” (which is on film and not a printed format), you birthers would want to see the hospital records, then the whatever records…and on and on.

right2bright on July 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM

I knew it! I just knew that one day, I’d go to sleep, and when I woke up the next day, we’d have a world government!

VekTor on July 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM

I know this is difficult, but here is the answer…. Because he is not legally required to produce it, the document he needed to produce he has it is called (or was then) a COLB. That he produced, to the proper authorities.

right2bright on July 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM

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Which authorities?

Missy on July 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

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American, United States, the country we live in….sheesh

right2bright on July 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM

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No, seriously, which authorities? You claimed he showed the piece of paper to the proper authorities. Which person in a position of authority did Obama show his birth certificate to?

Missy on July 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM

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I would like to know, what prcess is in place, if any, is in place to verify the eligibility of the president. This crud of “some other guy must have checked it” would have gotten any one of us fired if we tried that.

In all the kerfulle about this birth certificate, I have NEVER seen anything pointing to the actual vetting process.
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So, for any of you who believe the birth cert stuff is a wild goose chase, PLEASE point me to the documentation of the process for vetting the process. Who, WHat, When, and where.. we know the freaking WHY.

bullseye on July 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

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No such thing exists. That’s part of the amazement.

anuts on July 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

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Whats been interesting to me thorugh this whole thing is that, according to the courts, we the Voters do not have standing to even ASK if the candidates meet qualifications.

Romeo13 on July 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

And this, as the dearly departed Frank Zappa said, is the crux of the biscuit.

1. There is a Constitutional requirement that for persons to be eligible to be President, they must (among other things) be a Natural Born Citizen.

2. There appears to be no one at the federal level vested with the responsibility of vetting whether a candidate legally meets this requirement.

3. There appears to be a serious issue with meeting the court requirement of “standing” in lawsuits which seek to force a validation of meeting that requirement.

Thus, if no one is eligible to sue in order to discover the information, and no one had a legal requirement to validate whether the requirement is met by a candidate, there is literally nothing standing in the way of an ineligible candidate running, and then stonewalling afterwards.

As I understand it, New Jersey actually had a candidate on the ballot that was clearly ineligible, so this is not simply theoretical.

Apparently, the courts want to punt this, because there is no law on the books requiring anyone to actually check. I guess no one had the audacity to try to bluff their way through, so no one bothered creating such a law.

There is legislation being written now which should close this loophole. I would hope that such an effort would be supported by anyone who believes in the rule of law.

VekTor on July 27, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Found a reference to the candidate I was talking about above (from Donklephant, re the Socialist Workers Party):

The SWP is on the ballot in Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Vermont, and Washington. Their candidate is 39-year-old Roger Calero. Calero was also the 2004 nominee. He collected 10,791 votes in 14 states.

In several states, Calero had to have James Harris fill in as a surrogate nominee because Calero is constitutionally ineligible to be President. Calero is not an American citizen. He was born in Nicaragua, although he does have permanent resident status. Harris is once again the surrogate nominee for Calero in 2008. If the SWP won, that could make for an interesting constitutional crisis. However, that is one scenario no one needs to worry about for this election.

VekTor on July 27, 2009 at 7:32 PM

By the way here is a Factcheck picture of the supposed signature of Hawaii’s Registrar of Vital Statistics on THE BACK OF OBAMA’S ALLEGED COLB (DATE IS JUNE 7, 2007).
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BEGS THE QUESTIONS: if it was destroyed in the “BIG PAPER-PURGE OF HAWAII circa 2001″
a) how did they have it in June of 2007?
b) if they had it in June of 2007, what happened to it?
Before answering, please NOTE: the Obama’s didn’t have a dog UNTIL this year.
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Let me see if I unravel the mystery… Obama’s original birth certificate & all other paper documents were digitally copied & subsequently destroyed, right?
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Sounds reasonable, EXCEPT that the Hawaiian Dept of Health’s own officials:
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a) DIRECTOR, Dr. Chiyome Fukino
b) REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS, Alvin T. Onaka
c) DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, Janice Okubo
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HAVE EACH MADE CONTRADICTING AND ANACHRONISTIC STATEMENTS ABOUT THEIR ACTIONS (QUOTED IN THESE 2 ORIGINAL LINKS):
1) “PERSONALLY SEEN & VERIFIED” according to Associated Press in 2008
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2) In the alternate, CLAIMED TO HAVE DESTROYED ALL PAPER DOCUMENTS INCLUDING OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, IN 2001, AFTER TRANSFERRING THEM TO A DIGITAL FORMAT
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THIS IS WHERE IT GETS VERY INTERESTING. In order to buy this newly hatched story on CNN, we’ll have to (in the words of Queen Hillary) “suspend disbelief” for a moment and believe that after transferring Obama’s ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to a digital format and then destroying the original CORRESPONDING PAPER DOCUMENTS in what I call “The Great Hawaiian Paper Purge of 2001″ they somehow WERE ABLE TO WHAT??????
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Shrink Mr. Onaka down to “avatar” size (a digital image of a person). Then, allowed him to enter their digital vault, scoring enough points in a cyber-battle with his boss, Dr. Chiyome Fukino to gain a digital pen, which allowed him to SIGN THE BACK OF THE DIGITAL COPY OF OBAMA’S ORIG. B.C. & BACKDATE IT TO READ: JUNE 6, 2007, before EXITING the SECRET DIGITAL VAULT THROUGH A SPECIAL CYBER-PORTAL and getting back to the “analog” world JUST IN TIME FOR THE DailyKos & Obama’s OWN SITE “FightTheSmears” to post it before the election, making it back just in time to hold a press conference declaring Obama “A REAL-LEGIT-NO-KIDDING-CANDIDATE-FOR-PRESIDENT”???
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Okay, that makes perfect sense. I’m on board. COLOR ME A “NEO-BLIEFER” (New Blind Believer in Obama).
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And I thought blaming the Obama’s new dog would be a stretch…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 8:03 PM

ATTENTION “BLIEFERS” AND “NEO-BLIEFERS” (Blind Believers of Obama):
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Rut-roh!! “Birther’s Outcry” on tonight’s O’Reilly Factor- SOMEONE TRIED TO TELL YOU THIS WASN’T GOING AWAY BUT YOU WOULDN’T LISTEN.
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Another 5 Million sets of eyes & ears won’t hurt…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 8:08 PM

For those worried that if Obama is removed (and as a bonus all of his policies to date rendered null and void) that Biden, Pelosi or Reid will become POTUS… I say REST EASY.
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WHY?
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Because ultimately IT WAS THEY, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOROUGHLY VETTING THEIR OWN CANDIDATE- if it turns out badly for Obama- then EVERY ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS WOULD BE “DISABLED” from eligibility for POTUS. Thus, those in the line of succession to POTUS would, themselves, BE REMOVED from eligibility one at a time, as well, “UNTIL THE DISABILITY BE REMOVED OR A PRESIDENT SHALL BE ELECTED.” U.S. Constitution Article 2, Section 1, Claus 6:

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, UNTIL THE DISABILITY BE REMOVED, OR A PRESIDENT SHALL BE ELECTED.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 8:09 PM

O’Reilly is using the same “U.S. Citizen” status CANARD instead of the correct “Natural Born Citizen At Birth’ status. Is he so afraid of again being labeled (wrongly) a “raaacist”?
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Interesting that he did not have the usual opposing point of view. (Topic was NARROWED DOWN TO discussion with Southern Poverty Law Center, who wants Lou Dobbs fired for talking about/asking for Obama’s birth certificate AND FOR… you know it’s coming… BEING RAAACIST) So much for Fair & Balanced, Bill. I was hoping he’d have a steeper learning curve…
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He’s going to get hammered in the mail…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 8:27 PM

HERE IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, WHY ISN’T THE ONLINE IMAGE GOOD ENOUGH.</strong> I wish I had found this YouTube video a long time ago. It’s well worth the ENTIRE 2 minutes and will answer the question why an online digital image is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. After you’re done- POST YOUR REACTION.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM

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