Why the economy continues to stall
posted at 2:45 pm on July 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The continued rise of joblessness and the extension of the recession both have the same root problem, and it’s not a lack of government “stimulus”. Despite the happy talk from the White House, investors remain on the sideline, especially in the US. Why? As a Bloomberg poll shows, American investors don’t trust Barack Obama and believe him to be socializing the American economy:
In Europe and Asia, 87 percent of respondents say they view Obama positively, compared with just 49 percent in the U.S. His standing among American investors is even lower on economic matters: only a quarter of U.S. poll respondents rate his economic policies as “good” or “excellent,” compared with more than half in Europe and Asia.
Obama’s “stratospheric favorability ratings” outside the U.S. after five months in office are related to attitudes about his predecessor, former President George W. Bush, says J. Ann Selzer, the president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based polling firm that conducted the survey.
“It speaks as much to the visceral distaste for George Bush outside of the U.S,” she says. In Europe and Asia, more than four of five poll respondents choose Obama over Bush as the president offering better economic leadership. In the U.S., investors pick Bush, 43 percent to 41 percent.
The difference between Obama’s personal ratings and his economic ratings are significant in both domestic and international respondents. International investors overwhelmingly like Obama, but his ratings on economic policies drop perhaps more than 30 points abroad, and get cut in half at home. Unfortunately for Obama, foreign investors aren’t flooding cash into the American economy either, thanks to both the strains in their own economies as well as concerns over debt strategies.
For American investors, the issue is more cut-and-dried:
The views of Chris Gurkovic, a 36-year-old strategist for First Brokers Securities LLC in Jersey City, are typical of many U.S. poll respondents. He says bailouts of the auto and financial industries and Obama’s health-care proposals are making Americans like him nervous about the government’s role in the economy, and rates the president “very unfavorably” in the survey.
“I feel that we’re becoming a socialist nation,” Gurkovic says. “It’s not a step in the right direction; the big-government policies kind of scare me.”
The political bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler certainly served as an object lesson on risk in Obamanomics. The government threatened senior investors in both companies to cut better deals for its union allies, a move which I warned at the time would keep investors on the sidelines a long, long time before accepting any more risk. Investors appear to have learned that they could no longer rely on the rule of law to protect their legitimate interests in companies deemed “too big to fail” by the White House.
If investors cannot rely on the rule of law in determining risk, they start employing risk-averse strategies for their money. The result is economic stagnation, as the venture capital needed to create new jobs never appears. Without that dynamism in the American economy, there can be no growth.
Investors have taken the rational lesson from Barack Obama’s actions in the first six months of his presidency. Let’s hope voters do as well.









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And the only thing the media is talking about is that the DOW is over 9000. We are all better now.
Cindy Munford on July 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM
The market’s up to where it was when Ogabe was first coronated, but we make a 240 or so billion dollar bond offer that is gonna get crapped on unless we offer huge interest hikes, that’ll hurt….the street will digest the bigger than expected unemployment numbers, and then it will wonder….”why hide the budget numbers ’til mid august Barry?”
We’ll see some more back and forth but the donk euphoria better sate them it’ll be a long quarter for team mule.
sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM
What’s the problem, Barry’s made plenty of bucks buying stock in Rezko Real Estate and Axelrod Patient Dumping Inc.?
You people just don’t know how to play the market . . .
NoDonkey on July 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM
We’ve always known this…we knew this last yr. This is why i don’t get all the so-called conservatives that voted for the empty-suit, cus they he apparently had a ‘first class’ intellect.
Morons.
Chudi on July 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Affirmative Action Man needs to explain this again to the dim witted country.
Hening on July 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Yet another reason why Obama’s personality-driven presidency is dangerous. Investors would trust the government of the united states more if it were not being run by an unstable individual.
highhopes on July 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Yep. Happy Days are here again!
Abby Adams on July 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Hope isn’t a stratgegy, Ed. Voters will take the rational lesson only if people like us keep explaining it.
OhioCoastie on July 23, 2009 at 2:51 PM
What could go wrong……….?
Seven Percent Solution on July 23, 2009 at 2:51 PM
If the Republicans would get behind the Fair Tax or a flat tax, they would effectively control the political dialog of the nation, marginalizing Obama in the process. As of right now, other than Palin, they have nothing going for them.
jimmy2shoes on July 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Good thing the adults are in charge…
ladyingray on July 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Guess the party of “no” was correct. I also guess that their plan (which was NEVER EVER reported) was the better choice.
marklmail on July 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM
That’s probably because they think ObamaCare is in the toilet.
teffertoes on July 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM
The market moves in inverse correlation to his political strength. Historically, divided government has been better for the market.
Taken to extremes, the market could reach 20,000 if he and the congress were indicted for treason and ridden out of town on a rail.
cthulhu on July 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM
If you were an investor would you want to invest in a stable economy with a good shot at making a profit…or would you blindly put your own money out there while government dreams up new schemes to take more of it?
I’d be investing in China and India these days.
coldwarrior on July 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM
The Obamatrons are going crazy in Cleveland right now…
The Obama is making even more promises…
coldwarrior on July 23, 2009 at 2:55 PM
It’s because of the government induced volatility and seeming arbitrary of picking winners and losers that my investments are going to overseas firms this year. I hate that, but that’s the way things are right now.
batter on July 23, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Once GM was taken over and the stockholders screwed by the administration, why would you invest in any US company?
Buford on July 23, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Brazil, and Argentina….
energy, and foodstuffs…..
when Barry gives Israel to the Muslims Someone’s loving gaze will shift south….
sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
The market went a smidge over 9000 today…
Look for profit taking and a sell tomorrow.
coldwarrior on July 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Didn’t Barry hisself say that was a poor marker for long term economic health? Of course he said that when it was crashing.
a capella on July 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Exactly and they are the kind who put the “adult” in “adult movies”.
And the services they provide to the taxpayers of this country will not be forgotten.
NoDonkey on July 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
This is about as real as a 500 person gangbang vid….
yeah you see what you see, but it ain’t all there is to see….
Ogabe will either explain why the bailout didn’t save the UAW in Ohio or lose the state in 2012….
sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Being retired, your damned right I’m staying out of the market. Barry can call me selfish, but I don’t plan on eating cat food the rest of my life.
GarandFan on July 23, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Highly entertaining. Did he take his shirt off?
a capella on July 23, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Suckers’ rally. Happens in every serious bear market.
I’m getting ready to cash in everything. The drop between now and next year is going to be sickening. A friend of mine who is a serious and savvy investor has been predicting Dow 5500 and he is sticking with it. He cashed out last summer when it was at 11,000.
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM
No. But he has been trying to take mine since he got in office.
coldwarrior on July 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Got that right, but I’d say it’s understated.
Christian Conservative on July 23, 2009 at 3:00 PM
How can you be so mean. Do you want Barry to fail?
NoDonkey on July 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM
when Obama took office the DOW was lower than it is today. His economic policies have led to the rise of the DOW
equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM
That’s exactly what I’m doing. I have changed investments, and it’s not because of the recession, it’s because of the way our government has reacted to it.
forest on July 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Ya think?
Daggett on July 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM
I’m surprised with the market today and over the past few weeks. I really don’t know what to make of it.
I moved to a more conservative position and sold off a few stocks right as Cap and Trade went through the House…and they are all up significantly since then.
Leads me to believe we are in for a rude awakening(again) soon. I just wish I knew better when to bail and when to ride it out a bit.
Texas74 on July 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Loss of trust.
Fletch54 on July 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM
“Hope makes for a good breakfast, but a poor supper.”
-Francis Bacon
Vic on July 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
The media like Obama has no moral authority. Obama lies, deceives, and obfuscates and the public simply doesn’t trust him or believe him. He is the epitome of the corrupt culture and a portion of the American people are being willingly duped into their own destruction. The stock market is at best chronically stagnant and the economy as a whole is getting worse by the day. Obama has no idea what he is doing and his closest stooges are only concerned about a continuing rape of the treasury. The bottom line is we are being destroyed from within and people had better wake up before it’s too late and we lose it all.
rplat on July 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
There is some feeling that the market is rallying because investors are convinced Obama isn’t going to get the health care plan he wants.
dedalus on July 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Waterloo!!!!!!!!!
elduende on July 23, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Hey dude, where are the rest of your troll buddies hiding?
Knucklehead on July 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Hey look, folks. Unemployment is expected to hit double-digits by the end of summer, hyperinflation is believed to be right around the corner, the deficit is over $1 trillion for the year, consumer spending remains down, and millions of Americans will soon join the unemployment rolls.
And here’s “equality” singing Happy Days Are Here Again because the Dow rallied today.
amerpundit on July 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Unemployment is higher now than it was when he was elected. Therefore, his policies have led to a rise in unemployment.
Deficit is higher now than it was when he was elected. Therefore, his policies have led to a rise in the deficit.
lorien1973 on July 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
I sell stocks on a high day and have cash. I started back when I saw bho, heard him talk when he was running. If there was a chance in he!! he could get to be pres. I wanted cash. I am sure glad I did. Thank God I didn’t have gm or chrysler or bank stocks!
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letget on July 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
OK
jimmy2shoes on July 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Demand-side solutions for a supply-side problem.
Medicated on July 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
read that for a wake up call
CommentGuy on July 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Equality spells it Amerikkka.
lorien1973 on July 23, 2009 at 3:07 PM
We know who you are ……… Rahm.
fogw on July 23, 2009 at 3:07 PM
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/07/we-are-now-in-early-stages-of.html
try that for an after dinner mint
CommentGuy on July 23, 2009 at 3:08 PM
ROTFLMAO!
elduende on July 23, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Equality only subscribes to the “post hoc ergo propter hoc” theory when it benefits Obama. Bad news since Obama took office has nothing to do with his policies. Nothing, I tell ‘ya!
amerpundit on July 23, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Seriously folks, my IRA is up $850 so far this year, time to resign from HotAir and jump on the Obama Bandwagon. I am going to be RICH!!!!! Who’s with me??????
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Cindy Munford on July 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM
He inherited a deficit that he and the rest of the congresscritters created in his previous 2 years on the job. Funny how that works.
Also, ED, this line from Larry Kudlow kind of dovetails this:
“the United States has become a less hospitable destination for global capital.”
maineconservative on July 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Obama and team have a stranglehold on the banks, so small businesses can’t get money.
Those with money are afraid to spend it until The Won stops talking like a Marxist Kleptomaniac.
cntrlfrk on July 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Bingo.
Buy Danish on July 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Why would any business add employees, not knowing what taxes they’ll be facing next year?
lorien1973 on July 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Since I know you would never be the type to just “pick and choose”.
You are saying you are happy the investors are making more money…great.
Now how do you feel about the 30% increase in unemployment? If you give him credit for wall street, he takes the hit for “main street”.
What would you like? Dow down, and unemployment down, or Dow up and unemployment up?
Please, think and concentrate before posting…
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I wouldn’t be broadcasting that.
You are now considered rich and will be paying for my healthcare.
Knucklehead on July 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM
That’s what the lady on Fox Business said, too. She said investors love gridlock in Washington.
amerpundit on July 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM
The media continues to do their best. Today a Chicago radio station of no consequence (i.e., their audience is limited to idiots) reported that “initial unemployment filings went up again last week, but the administration reports that the number of people currently receiving benefits is at its lowest since April).
If that’s actually true, wouldn’t it be because so many people have run through their unemployment benefits?
Jaibones on July 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM
And maybe a belief that Obama can be “contained”, and is running out of “steam”.
Meanwhile, unemployment continues to rise, which is a more accurate indicator of the economy then the fluctuations of the stock market.
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Reminds me, I have to dump my Exxon stock before Barry takes a page from Hugo and nationalizes the evil oil industry.
NoDonkey on July 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM
That’s what I was wondering. Plus Ford’s $2.3 billion 2nd Quarter profit didn’t hurt. Surprise!
Jaibones on July 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM
I think it is interesting to note that the Bank of Canada is saying today that the Canadian economy is out of recession. They are forecasting growth (albeit modest) in the next quarter. So, Stephen Harper vs. Barack Obama…insofar as economic management is concerned there is an interesting discussion to be had.
Blaise on July 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Obama is still President.
VibrioCocci on July 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Investors or business owners are not going invest, expand or hire until they are sure what the playing field will look like. Yea the DOW is showing some gains, however this will be temporary.
Obama, by trying to accomplish so much is having a dramatic impact on thwarting any recovery that we would otherwise be experiencing.
Summers are slow in my businss. This is the time normally that projections are made and planning is done. Only this year we can only search for ways to survive until the rules are set.
HoustonRight on July 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Two concepts completely foreign to this racist.
thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Not just the deficit, but the housing crisis and more. This is something which needs to be repeated often, particularly when the Punk-in-Chief who consistently voted against reform lies about Republicans never offering any solutions.
Buy Danish on July 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Economy continues to stall because the financial and business sectors do not trust the moron in chief and have no clue what BS he is going to pull next.
BillaryMcBush on July 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM
They drill for oil and cut down trees for lumber.
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM
“equality”. That name speaks volumes of dumb.
guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
My hubby was going apesh*t this morning listening to local radio here in St. Louis. The UAW was organizing a protest outside of the newly refurbished Fenton plant to protest its closing by Chrysler. Apparently the jobs are going to Mexico and elsewhere. My husband’s question? Now, why in the hell would people go rally w/the UAW for those jobs to be saved here, when a)the UAW was a huge part of the bankruptcy problem w/Chrysler, and b)They have gotten nothing but sweetheart deals from this administration all the way thru, and c) they’re health benefits won’t be taxed but ours will to pay for theirs, d) Their pensions will be paid by taxpayers e) where’s our bailout? I only get paid if I perform! It’s sick!
JAM on July 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
For a long term indication look to employment. It is a lagging indicator which gives it the strongest measure on any sustainable growth.
HoustonRight on July 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
No, it only goes to show how the media can distort the truth and how people outside of the U.S. will believe it.
behiker on July 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
We’ve always known this…we knew this last yr. This is why i don’t get all the so-called conservatives that voted for the empty-suit, cus they he apparently had a ‘first class’ intellect.
Morons.
Chudi on July 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM
——
I call them elitists, in polite company, and far worse inside my head, but that’s just me….
They were quite put out when Sen. McCain, who they barely trusted, picked that woman from Alaska….
I do hope Obama’s tax plan hurts ‘em. Badly. Time they remembered *why* Reagan matters.
Mew
acat on July 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM
When Obama fails we all win.
farright on July 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Being retired, your damned right I’m staying out of the market. Barry can call me selfish, but I don’t plan on eating cat food the rest of my life.
GarandFan on July 23, 2009
In Obamerica, cat food will be a luxury we can only dream of.
SKYFOX on July 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM
unemployment started going up when Bush was President. Lets put the blame where it really belongs
equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Incorrect causation. FED policies have led to the rise of the DOW, by way of easy money. This is a form of inflation by printing money.
Count to 10 on July 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Exactly.
betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Exactly. This is the same scenario that played out during the Great Depression, as business never knew what to expect from FDR.
ICBM on July 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM
The stock market doesn’t always correlate to a positive overall economic picture. Sometimes its just investors jumping on stocks that recently became cheap. If you buy huge amounts of stock, then if the price goes up even just a little before you sell you could make a hefty profit.
Doesn’t imply long term growth.
Another thing to consider is that with laying off employees and scaling back, the bottom line of many companies is healthier. But to use a word we hear quite a bit nowadays, these bottom lines are probably not “sustainable” in the long-run as overall growth is limited.
I’m not going to loan you money or co-sign for something if I’m not sure you’re going to have a job next week. Unless I have it figured out where I can actually make money off of you when you’re over a barrel by grabbing up the assets you can no longer manage, and were actually really good deals to begin with that I would love to take over. You would have contributed (a little or a lot depending on how long you were solvent) to the equity reducing my liabilities.
If I had the capital to begin with and could afford the risk that is.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM
We are in a “Traders Market” not an investor market. Who would invest in a rigged economy? Money went Galt.
Dr Evil on July 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Col. Obama, El Presidente…….
……. can’t wait for his picture on the Trillion Dollar Bill.
Seven Percent Solution on July 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Stop that logic stuff, it scares the unicorns.
Cindy Munford on July 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Unemployment averaged 5.2% during Bush’s term in office and it’s nearly twice that now.
That’s Barry’s fault, he’s done everything possible to wound the economy. Like elections, economically incompetent policy decisions have consequences.
NoDonkey on July 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM
It has continued to rise as aresult of what Main Street expects Bury to do to our economy.
thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Finally, a leftist expression of ownership for Ogabe. But if Ogabe gets credit for one thing, he gets credit for all, and of course the same works for negative consequences.
Worst unemployment in what, 28 years? Ogabe.
Dollar worth less? Ogabe.
Loss of trillions in private citizen wealth? Ogabe.
Continuing bank failures? Ogabe.
Rising home foreclosures? Ogabe.
Hoooo…..my fingers are tired, someone should spell me on this list.
Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM
When congress was controlled by Democrats. Granted, Bush screwed up on the whole TARP bailout, but congress was worse. But, if you want to know the real cause of unemployment, look no further than the minimum wage, unionization laws, and various regulations that make it difficult to lower wages.
Surpluses (of which unemployment is one) are caused by price floors. If you can’t sell a product for less than an amount that is above the market value, it sits around and doesn’t get bought.
Count to 10 on July 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM
ROTFLMAO! 9.7%U3 17.2%U6 Unemployment July 2009. LOL!
elduende on July 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM
even the biggest right wing nut will not deny the fact that the economy was heading south during Bush’s last year in office unemployment began to rise and he started the bailout maddness
equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Agreed. The economy started tanking before CLINTON left office. Also, Franks and Dodd and the liberal nutjobs in congress that got rid of lending standards to benefit their economically challenged base.
Laura in Maryland on July 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Guys, the amount of money that banks are trading on their own accounts (not on behalf of investors) has gone up tremendously this year. Read up on this at zerohedge or karl denningers website….. for the better part of the year, the stock market has been dominated by banks manipulating the markets and trading shyt back and forth with each other.
BPD on July 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Ogabe spent a trillion dollars saying it was necessary to keep unemployment from reaching 8.8%, it has gone beyond that and the trillion bucks is gone.
I’m placing blame, guess where?
Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM
We’ve got a new toy. Let’s try not to break it before everyone has a chance play with it.
Laura in Maryland on July 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM
FDR created the NRA to set new rules to “fix” every industry in America. His genius manifested a 10 year depression because of continued regulatory and tax confusion for the business community. Barry is doing his own top-down “fix” with new credit rules, new carbon penalties, new healthcare costs, new taxes and card check. Since business have thorough uncertainty on their profitability, they aren’t risking capital to grow. Reagan understood that cutting back on taxes and regulations meant business had more confidence in the profitability of new investments. Don’t hold your breath for that idea to catch on in Washington anytime soon. Another FDR recovery is on its way.
Mark30339 on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM
The Dem. controlled Congress is and was responsible for the woes of our economy you little America hating racist.
thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Cause/Effect
in January 2007, the Democrats took over Congress
Since then, the value of my home has declined by approximately 50%
BPD on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM
We have not yet seen the fallout from the commercial real estate market that is on the brink. This little rise in the market is manipulation and I would be very careful where you put your money. When a company drops by 50% it has to go up by 100% to get back to even. Be very careful.
fourdeucer on July 23, 2009 at 3:30 PM
So bailouts are madness?
President Baracky Ogabe, madman.
Coral Gables Florida, 9/19/08:
–Calling the market upheaval one of the most serious in the nation’s history, Barack Obama said Friday that the Treasury and the Federal Reserve must receive “as broad authority as necessary” to restore stability to the financial system.
Following a meeting with economic advisers here, Obama said he supports efforts by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Benjamin Bernanke to work with Congress on a rescue plan.–
Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Again, this is because the Democratic Congress was busy sabotaging it. Bush had to go along with a lot of it so that the Democrats wouldn’t totally destroy our foreign policy (like what Obama is doing now).
Count to 10 on July 23, 2009 at 3:31 PM
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