Why the economy continues to stall

posted at 2:45 pm on July 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The continued rise of joblessness and the extension of the recession both have the same root problem, and it’s not a lack of government “stimulus”.  Despite the happy talk from the White House, investors remain on the sideline, especially in the US.  Why?  As a Bloomberg poll shows, American investors don’t trust Barack Obama and believe him to be socializing the American economy:

In Europe and Asia, 87 percent of respondents say they view Obama positively, compared with just 49 percent in the U.S. His standing among American investors is even lower on economic matters: only a quarter of U.S. poll respondents rate his economic policies as “good” or “excellent,” compared with more than half in Europe and Asia.

Obama’s “stratospheric favorability ratings” outside the U.S. after five months in office are related to attitudes about his predecessor, former President George W. Bush, says J. Ann Selzer, the president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based polling firm that conducted the survey.

“It speaks as much to the visceral distaste for George Bush outside of the U.S,” she says. In Europe and Asia, more than four of five poll respondents choose Obama over Bush as the president offering better economic leadership. In the U.S., investors pick Bush, 43 percent to 41 percent.

The difference between Obama’s personal ratings and his economic ratings are significant in both domestic and international respondents.  International investors overwhelmingly like Obama, but his ratings on economic policies drop perhaps more than 30 points abroad, and get cut in half at home.  Unfortunately for Obama, foreign investors aren’t flooding cash into the American economy either, thanks to both the strains in their own economies as well as concerns over debt strategies.

For American investors, the issue is more cut-and-dried:

The views of Chris Gurkovic, a 36-year-old strategist for First Brokers Securities LLC in Jersey City, are typical of many U.S. poll respondents. He says bailouts of the auto and financial industries and Obama’s health-care proposals are making Americans like him nervous about the government’s role in the economy, and rates the president “very unfavorably” in the survey.

I feel that we’re becoming a socialist nation,” Gurkovic says. “It’s not a step in the right direction; the big-government policies kind of scare me.”

The political bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler certainly served as an object lesson on risk in Obamanomics.  The government threatened senior investors in both companies to cut better deals for its union allies, a move which I warned at the time would keep investors on the sidelines a long, long time before accepting any more risk.  Investors appear to have learned that they could no longer rely on the rule of law to protect their legitimate interests in companies deemed “too big to fail” by the White House.

If investors cannot rely on the rule of law in determining risk, they start employing risk-averse strategies for their money.  The result is economic stagnation, as the venture capital needed to create new jobs never appears.  Without that dynamism in the American economy, there can be no growth.

Investors have taken the rational lesson from Barack Obama’s actions in the first six months of his presidency.  Let’s hope voters do as well.

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in January 2007, the Democrats took over Congress

Since then, the value of my home has declined by approximately 50%

BPD on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM

equality is the typical moron that voted for Bury, it thinks that the President controls Congress as evidenced by Zeigler’s piece after the election.

thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM

unemployment started going up when Bush was President. Lets put the blame where it really belongs

equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

And it’s now higher than even Barry O predicted it would be without the stimulus package. Obama’s policies (and lack thereof) have worsened the employment conditions. Even Democratic strategists understand that now, as evidence by the many articles about their growing concern.

amerpundit on July 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM

We’ve got a new toy. Let’s try not to break it before everyone has a chance play with it.
Laura in Maryland on July 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Sadly this new toy is about equal to the squirt gun that shoots jelly and the Charlie in the Box.

Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 3:33 PM

They are forecasting growth (albeit modest) in the next quarter

Nah, that was just another one of Dr.Obama’s off-the-cuff diagnoses.

Laura in Maryland on July 23, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I’m getting ready to buy some SP LEAP Puts for Jan 2011…. just $500 or so in far out of the money puts…. could be a nice little lottery ticket there.

BPD on July 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM

markknoller: Obama ends 54 minute health care forum urging audience to “stay on your members of congress. keep up the heat. we got to get this done.”

JiangxiDad on July 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM

unemployment started going up when Bush was President. Lets put the blame where it really belongs

equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

getalife, what are your qualifications to discuss economics, other than BDS?

Jaibones on July 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The continued rise of joblessness and the extension of the recession both have the same root problem, and it’s not a lack of government “stimulus”

It’s not from a lack of spending, but there is a lack of “stimulus”. Considering all the talk about “shovel ready” projects, I betcha most people assumed that the majority of dollars would go to infrastructure. How silly of us.

Buy Danish on July 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Sadly this new toy is about equal to the squirt gun that shoots jelly and the Charlie in the Box.

Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Sad but true.

Laura in Maryland on July 23, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Economy continues to stall because the financial and business sectors do not trust the moron in chief and have no clue what BS he is going to pull next.

BillaryMcBush on July 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Hammer-Nail.

We’re going nowhere for the next few years. Our economy is like a ship on an open see with its sails damaged, no wind, and waiting for the next storm.

We have to be sure that Obama’s a one-termer.

BuckeyeSam on July 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Stall, hell, how about crash and burn….

workingforpigs on July 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

On a side note, you know that things are bad when Ann Coulter’s weekly editorial doesn’t resort to hyperbole with her sarcasm.

Count to 10 on July 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

The flip side of investor risk aversion is that government has nothing it doesn’t take from the private sector. In CA, the budget mess comes right out of the collapse of the private sector, not Prop. 13 or the 2/3 majority required for tax increases.

When people were making lots of money on the property bubble, the politicians spent every dime they go and 15% more as fast as it came in. Now that the private sector is very ill, the money has dried up. We were headed straight for this outcome, because booms don’t last forever. Further, the pols created a structure that can’t react to such revenue fluctuations, like too many people on welfare.

As it is, the depression in CA’s preivatte sector is estimated to worsen into 2010 and not begin a climbout until 2011. This means the accounting gimmicks and borrowing to fix the current deficit will not be made up by a healthy private sector, and we will be back to the precipice within a year.

Harry Schell on July 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Equality, where for art thou?

Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM

On a side note, you know that things are bad when Ann Coulter’s weekly editorial doesn’t resort to hyperbole with her sarcasm.

Count to 10 on July 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Yeah, but she chopped and turned a ’57 Chevy into a lowrider! Blasphemy I say!!

thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM

We have greedy morons in our government. Time to clean house on all of them.

workingforpigs on July 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM

There is some feeling that the market is rallying because investors are convinced Obama isn’t going to get the health care plan he wants.

dedalus on July 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM

See?? That was Obama’s strategy all along and we just didn’t get it. First: threaten to bring entire nation into financial collapse with his triple-trillion dollar spending bills. Next: Fail at attempts to get bills passed.
Result: Spirits soar, stocks sell like hotcakes, hearts are gladdened. Cagey man.

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

You know Ed, you didn’t really need to actually write anything for this post. Just reposting the title and then the picture from the front page under it would have been answer enough

Sugarbuzz on July 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

David Shuster on MSNBC ……

There has not been a run on the banks, so from that standard we can say the the President’s Stimulus Plan has worked.

Can’t make this stuff up.

fogw on July 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Dude, where’s Obama’s green economy?

BuckeyeSam on July 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM

We’re going nowhere for the next few years. Our economy is like a ship on an open see with its sails damaged, no wind, and waiting for the next storm.

BuckeyeSam on July 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM

I hope your right, if the Dems are successful we will go straight down hill.

I am pleased to see that more and more people are finally starting to understand that the Dems are not Americans but socialists trying to destroy us for all time.

allrsn on July 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM

David Shuster on MSNBC ……

There has not been a run on the banks, so from that standard we can say the the President’s Stimulus Plan has worked.

Can’t make this stuff up.

fogw on July 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Unbelievable. There wasn’t a bank run because Sheila Bair – a Republican – engineered the sales of Wachovia and Washington Mutual last September, and then Henry Paulson forced the rest of the banks to take the TARP money in October so the ONE bank that really needed it wouldn’t get run.

rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 4:00 PM

David Shuster on MSNBC ……

There has not been a run on the banks, so from that standard we can say the the President’s Stimulus Plan has worked.
Can’t make this stuff up.

fogw on July 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM

I guess, with the measurement bar of success now below gutter level, I’ll concede and call it a wee triumph.

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Just possibly, a trillion dollar political payoff disguised as a stimulus, and the Fed printing up money to cover a 2 trillion dollar deficit for FY 2009 also are factors.

Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 4:03 PM

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) – Richard Fisher, the president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank, said Thursday that he opposes expansion of the central bank’s purchases of Treasurys beyond the planned $300 billion.

In a speech in Carlsbad, Calif., Fisher said he was against additional purchases because of the risk that the Fed would be seen as an agent of the Treasury Department and making it easy for them to sell their debt.

“We dare not come to be viewed as a handmaiden to the Treasury,” Fisher said.

JiangxiDad on July 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

9 trillion in undocumented lines of credit from the Federal Reserve might have more to do with the bank stabilization than an 800 billion stimulus (of which only 10% or so has been spent) which sent money to state governments, NOT banks.

Then again, nobody ever accused Shuster of being intelligent.

BPD on July 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

“It speaks as much to the visceral distaste for George Bush outside of the U.S,” she says. In Europe and Asia, more than four of five poll respondents choose Obama over Bush as the president offering better economic leadership. In the U.S., investors pick Bush, 43 percent to 41 percent.

The enemy of my friend is my enemy. A citizen of any other country would prefer the US to falter relative to their own country, thus their answers.

Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM

“If Obamacare doesn’t get plowed through congress, I can guarantee you that those shovel ready jobs are going to disapeer.”

~~~A. Donk

Upstater85 on July 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM

HOLY !@#!! Treasury Auction Schedule

Oh My……

Let’s see if I can count this up….

70 day CMBs, $30 billion (tomorrow)
13 week Bills, $32 billion (July 27th)
26 week Bills, $31 billion (July 27th)
52 week Bills, $27 billion (July 28th)
2 year Notes, $42 billion (July 28th)
5 year Notes, $39 billion (July 29th)
7 year Notes, $28 billion (July 30th)
19 year, 6 month TIPS (reopened), $6 billion (July 27th)

That’s two hundred thirty-five billion dollars over the next week!

Almost one quarter of a trillion……. geejus.

JiangxiDad on July 23, 2009 at 4:07 PM

David Shuster on MSNBC ……

There has not been a run on the banks, so from that standard we can say the the President’s Stimulus Plan has worked.

Can’t make this stuff up.

fogw on July 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM

What a tool/fool. Shyster needs to learn the difference between TARP and porkapaloooza, and what the aims of each program were.

ICBM on July 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM

when Obama took office the DOW was lower than it is today. His economic policies have led to the rise of the DOW

equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM

When you all see me refer to the government-schooled sheeple and dumbMasses, equality is the type of person I am referring to.

Dave R. on July 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM

This is really getting weak . . . and I guess I can assume that ice cream causes sunburn because everyone I saw eating ice cream on the beach was sunburned. And . . . the good old New York Times is orgasmic about the DJI soaring way up to 9000. Oh, they also said that Obama has really improved our image overseas. The economy is in the garbage can, Obama is about to institute a communist healthcare system that includes “end of life” counseling for our elderly, the population is totally and completely divided and the left wing press is manufacturing crutches for Obama. I really don’t think this house of cards will stand much longer.

rplat on July 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Dude, where’s Obama’s green economy?

BuckeyeSam on July 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM

green as in kick backs from lobbyists??

Selling carbon swaps in the rain forrest

seven on July 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Like Rush says, nobody could be as stupid as Obama appears with his crazy policies. He’s doing this on purpose.

hachiban on July 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Well this post on a day the Dow goes over 9,000? It may ride some momentum and carry on further. People grasping for green shoots see earnings that are slightly better than horrifying. So this is good news? We’ll fall back down this fall, when it’s apparent that the labor market is still bad, and people still aren’t making money – the gov is just printing it. I’m just trying to decide when and where I should start my short positions in the market.

golfballs03 on July 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM

This economy will not even begin to start thinking about a recovery until Obama ceases strangling the life out of the private sector.

Any economic recovery will require the resurgence of the private sector, led primarily by small businesses growing and eventually hiring more employees.

That isn’t going to happen when they see a 50%+ tax rate staring them straight in the face, not to mention the other insanity this hideous administration is proposing.

Dave R. on July 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM

I’m just trying to decide when and where I should start my short positions in the market.

golfballs03 on July 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I can’t decide between tomorrow, timed ahead of the quarter trillion Treasury auction next week, or wait until September, when the experts predict the crash.

Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Of course, the Europeans like Obama. His policies have reduced a strong competitor to beggar status, making THEIR economies look better by comparison.

Steve Z on July 23, 2009 at 4:35 PM

That isn’t going to happen when they see a 50%+ tax rate staring them straight in the face, not to mention the other insanity this hideous administration is proposing.

Dave R. on July 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM

for a small business 50% is low they face a baseline 60% when you factor in state, federal, and local taxes not to mention the “tales from the shovel ready to be” taxes of SS and Medicare….

hey mll biz how’s that hope’n'change working out for ya?

sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 4:38 PM

when Obama took office the DOW was lower than it is today. His economic policies have led to the rise of the DOW

equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM

It’s just “fits and starts” “ups & downs” gyrating. Oh, and “we badly misread the economy”

Just what exactly are obama’s economic policies?? His own team can’t tell us, he is hiding the economic budget report for six more weeks (you know it’s bad)…

TN Mom on July 23, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Like Rush says, nobody could be as stupid as Obama appears with his crazy policies. He’s doing this on purpose.

hachiban on July 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM

1) of course it is on purpose

2) it is not obama doing it, it is the puppet masters doing it, obama is simply the face and voice.

allrsn on July 23, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Obama will read this read this posting by Ed and remark to others sitting in the Oval Office: “Our plan is working just as we hoped.”

albill on July 23, 2009 at 5:01 PM

If investors cannot rely on the rule of law in determining risk, they start employing risk-averse strategies for their money.

Not only that, but if the game appears to be rigged in favor of those with political influence (like, say, in favor of auto unions?), then investors will start putting their money into buying politicians and bureaucrats to make their business environment more predictable, with the inevitable corrupting effect on our government.

Socratease on July 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Well this post on a day the Dow goes over 9,000? It may ride some momentum and carry on further. People grasping for green shoots see earnings that are slightly better than horrifying. So this is good news? We’ll fall back down this fall, when it’s apparent that the labor market is still bad, and people still aren’t making money – the gov is just printing it. I’m just trying to decide when and where I should start my short positions in the market.
golfballs03 on July 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I think it’s more a matter of people responding to the truckload of manure that last night’s speech buried ObamaCare under, especially after Cap’n'Tax got killed off in the Senate. Yes, it’s somewhat-premature celebration, but there’s a sense that enough people have noticed, are now noticing, or will soon notice that Obama’s policies are outright economic suicide; and that those policies are now nearly impossible for him to implement. The more so as those who oppose this idiocy aren’t rolling over, aren’t getting complacent, and in fact are eagerly looking forward, to drive the point home with their reps during the recess. They need us a LOT more than we need them.

So the DJIA climbing doesn’t really surprise me, nor do I think it indicates the market embracing Obamanomics. After all, “green shoots” need fertilizer before they can grow.

Blacksmith on July 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM

David Shuster on MSNBC ……

There has not been a run on the banks, so from that standard we can say the the President’s Stimulus Plan has worked.

Can’t make this stuff up.

fogw on July 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM

It is a silent run on the banks. People are not putting money in the bank to save it, they are keeping cash and PM’s at home where they can get at it. Zero percent interest at the bank of Sealy Posturpedic beats the snot out of the interest at a building that can be closed at a moments notice by Prezbo. The increased savings rate is vaporware, folks are not charging as much.

quax1 on July 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM

in January 2007, the Democrats took over Congress

Since then, the value of my home has declined by approximately 50%

BPD on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM

What’s the matter? You don’t like Democratic EEKonomics?

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM

even the biggest right wing nut will not deny the fact that the economy was heading south during Bush’s last year in office unemployment began to rise and he started the bailout maddness

equality on July 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Just because it happened under President Bush, I can think of no reason to blame him for anything other than going along with the stupid bailout scheme. Didn’t work at the beginning of the Great Depression, so I don’t know why they thought it would work 80 years later.

The one other thing I can get on the Republicans for when they had control of Congress was in not dealing with the social engineering of the CRE. But, they would have been accused of being racists, people (including many of them I’m sure) were making money and they simply didn’t buy the few gloom and doom harbingers that were going on the record concerning a looming housing bubble.

Not even sure I can blame the new Democrat Congress, either…that is, this CRE/Barney Frank/Chris Dodd/ACORN/Fannie/Freddie mess was years and years in the making.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Look. I have lots to invest. I’m currently minimally invested in anything and have almost all of my money in safe havens of various types.

Why in the bloody hell would I want to invest anything anywhere when it’s I’m just going to be penalized for having money and putting it to work?

I was in full swing, ready to open a business with a partner 4 months ago. Both of us decided the best thing to do for the time being would be bury the money in safe investments. We were going to employ 60 people to start, more would follow IF the economy picked up at even a nominal rate.

But no, obama promises to punish success at every turn. This is his ball now, and really, I hope everyone with more than a quarter million does the same as I have and others that I know have. Just save it till obama and his socialist crew are gone and it’s safe to be a capitalist free marketeer again.

To hell with him and his lackeys. I’m not investing a dime to make his fascist ass look good as he steals every dime he lays his nasty hands on.

/middle finger salute.

Spiritk9 on July 24, 2009 at 4:05 AM

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