Jobless claims jump again, polls show decline in confidence for Porkulus
posted at 5:13 pm on July 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If Barack Obama hoped to get better news on employment in order to boost his efforts on ObamaCare, the news today won’t lift his spirits. New unemployment claims jumped to 554,000 this week, above analysts’ expectations:
The number of newly laid-off workers seeking jobless benefits rose last week, though the government said its report again was distorted by the timing of auto plant shutdowns. …
The increase follows two straight weeks of sharp drops largely because automakers didn’t lay off as many workers as expected in early July. General Motors and Chrysler temporarily shut down many of their plants earlier than usual this year, in May and June, after filing for bankruptcy protection and restructuring their companies.
A department analyst said the government’s seasonal adjustment process expected claims to drop sharply last week, after the normal pattern of auto layoffs was complete. But that didn’t happen, causing seasonally-adjusted claims to rise.
Weekly claims remain far above the 300,000 to 350,000 that analysts say is consistent with a healthy economy. New claims last fell below 300,000 in early 2007. The lowest level this year was 488,000 for the week ended Jan. 3.
Small wonder that Rasmussen sees even more decline in confidence in Obama’s stimulus:
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 25% of U.S. voters now say the stimulus plan has helped the economy. That’s a six-point drop from a month ago.
Thirty-one percent (31%) say the stimulus actually hurt the economy, little changed from a month ago. However, this is the first poll showing that more voters believe the plan hurt rather than helped.
A plurality (36%) says the plan has had no impact.
Just after Congress passed the plan, 34% said it would help the economy, 32% that it would hurt and 26% predicted no impact.
The rising unemployment numbers will further erode confidence, and that’s not just from the jobless figures. One friend of mine has had a number of “furloughs”, time off without pay, which his company imposed in lieu of layoffs. He loses money but keeps his job, which he feels is a good deal considering the alternatives. Many companies have done the same; however, those situations don’t appear in these statistics, and they also contribute to an erosion of confidence in Obama’s stewardship of the economy.
As long as jobs keep disappearing, Obama will not build momentum for his massive spending programs. Congress already realizes this, which is why the House Energy & Commerce Committee delayed a mark-up meeting on ObamaCare for the third time. They are also losing confidence in Obama’s ability to protect them from the wrath of voters in 2010 when people start getting the bill for all of these spending plans.










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we need a shovel drive…
moonbatkiller on July 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Where are the jobs? How many hospitals are on the list to be closed?
seven on July 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Here in CA a ‘furlough’ still means you get to collect unemployment benefits, even if you are not counbted among the unemployed.
Hey, it doesn’t affect the numbers but it still gets the votes of the ‘no fault’ voters.
Could life be any better?
ElRonaldo on July 23, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Why would any business hire someone right now? If ObamaCare passes, you either are straddled with an extra burden (healthcare) or get a tax of up to 8%. Why hire?
Also, in January 1, 2011, here are the taxes that are going up once the Bush ones expire:
This is in addition to anything that congress will pass in the mean time.
What economic recovery is this going to produce?
lorien1973 on July 23, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I have a friend who currently has to take 2 unpaid weeks off every 3 months. They’re rotating all the employees so they don’t have to fire any of them. He’s also happy, considering the alternatives.
BadgerHawk on July 23, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Memo to all job seekers: DO NOT COME TO NC. THERE ARE NO JOBS HERE. STAY AWAY. WARNING! CAUTION!
SouthernGent on July 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM
No confidence vote.
Fletch54 on July 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM
God bless the unemployed. Hang in there. Change is on it’s way!!!!!
WhatsRight on July 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM
They will increase the minimum salaries also.
the_nile on July 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM
And the hits just keep coming…
This wouldn’t be happening if it weren’t for the Republicans after all.
Does the economy know Obama is the President now?
catmman on July 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM
I’m one of those “furloughed” people too. 10 days of their choosing, and 10 days I get to pick. No matter how you spread it out, it’s still a full month without pay. Ouch.
This reminds me of the Carter days when I knew so many people who couldn’t get jobs. Got a paralegal friend who’s been out of work since June ’08, and my recent college grad son is working as a temp and an unpaid intern.
I don’t see the economy coming back at the end of the year as so many financial pundits claim. We’ve got at least 3 and a half years before we start to see daylight. God willing.
IrishEi on July 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Sounds about right. Higher unemployment = “we rescued the economy.” I’d say “Heckuva job, Brownie,” but with all the race baiting going on I fear it would be misconstrued…
Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM
I’d actually cut my workforce and paid my best employees lots of overtime. One of my wife’s co-workers is full time during the summer, part time during the school year. If ObamaCare passes her job is toast. No way their employer is covering health costs for a part time employee.
BadgerHawk on July 23, 2009 at 5:21 PM
to early to RECALL?????
SDarchitect on July 23, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I feel so defeated.
txag92 on July 23, 2009 at 5:21 PM
you mean people don’t think that what has devolved into a campaign lush fund at a cost of thousands per legal American is “helping the US economy”…..
the SS Hope’N'Change just hit an iceberg….may it hit many more.
sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Sounds about right. Higher unemployment = “we rescued the economy.” I’d say “Heckuva job, Brownie,” but with all the race baiting going on I fear it would be misconstrued…
LMAO on this one……
SDarchitect on July 23, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Barry needs a shovel—he’s in deep shit!!!
Delaware Vol on July 23, 2009 at 5:22 PM
For some reason I don’t trust you…
BadgerHawk on July 23, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Bush’s fault.
Ted Torgerson on July 23, 2009 at 5:22 PM
You know what this means ………
More Barryvision. Now in HD.
High Deaf.
fogw on July 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Not true. Obama is president. Adults in charge.
DarkCurrent on July 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Hey, at least the WORLD *hearts* The U.S. now!
Pew Research:
SouthernGent on July 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Nothing another trillion dollar stimulus wouldn’t solve.
Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Correct – we haven’t hit bottom yet. I think we hit bottom next spring, assuming that commercial real estate and credit card crashes hit by Sept/Oct.
The funny thing is, outside of trolls, everyone here could have predicted this (and probably did).
Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM
What I don’t understand is who are the 25% who claim the “stimulus” really is helping the economy? And what planet do they live on?
jwolf on July 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Anyone have Rahm Emmanuel’s address? I’d like to thank him personally for his part in the Obama recovery.
/sarc
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM
A lot of the companies that are wanting to hire are putting in a requirement that the applicant must have a stable work history. They’re defining stable work history as having had steady employment sometime within the last six months or the last year. That leaves me out, and in this economy, it’s going to be leaving a lot more people out.
backwoods conservative on July 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Tough stuff for the country at present, but I posit it’s a good thing to have his incompetency on parade this early in his administration. Shut down his water flow and it will give us a chance to recover,..I’m worried that our manufacturing base is down so far. Somone is going to have to lure back manufacturing jobs and investment back. Don’t know if it can be done.
a capella on July 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM
The enemy of my friend is my enemy.
Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Texas stimulus spending video
William Amos on July 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Operative work here is company, not goverment. Private company attempts to save money why taking care of many workers as it can without sacrificing the company’s existence.
A government entity thinks it cannot furlough workers and must extract more money from its citizens.
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM
My work place lost half the staff. Cut my hours from 38 to 34, and now 5 days off w/ no pay to be taken over 2 months. Im happy to have a job. Some co-workers are still out of work months later. Anybody need a desk top operator? (Photo shop quark In-Design.)
Greed on July 23, 2009 at 5:29 PM
But.. but… but… the stimulus did its job.
Daggett on July 23, 2009 at 5:30 PM
So does this mean the Obamatons have an excuse for playing x-box all day again?
Still, I would think that since he still hasn’t paid for their gas or mailed them their own limited edition unicorns they might be starting to get a tad miffed.
18-1 on July 23, 2009 at 5:30 PM
1060 W Addison St
Chicago, IL 60613
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I’m no expert but foresee a strange economic mix: Even higher unemployment, but instead of deflation, skyrocketing inflation as the gov’t prints money and begins spending it.
Tax increases kick in and kill investment.
S&P drops to around 400.
Business likes stability. Why would anyone expand or invest when the rules keep changing?
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I wonder how many jobs Obama saved?
cyclown on July 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM
backwoods conservative on July 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Thanks Ed. I’m going to cut and paste this and send it to Nancy and Harry to get their input; while asking at the same time “Got any more brilliant ideas?”.
I also want to take the time to find out how the San Francisco Bay marsh mouse is doing with that $116.1 million gift from Nancy.
Exit question: Do those unemployment figures include out of work marsh mice?
GarandFan on July 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM
By their count, any job that has not been lost has been ‘saved.’ So quite a few.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM
To the extent there will be a recovery, it will be a jobless one. Because robots, and teenagers in Mumbai don’t implicate onerous payroll, healthcare, and carbon taxes.
Please, G-d, Obama needs to ripen into Jimmy Carter in nine months instead of four years….
ParisParamus on July 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM
They live on planet DC, where the recovery is in full swing. It is a heck of a good time to be a bureaucrat.
18-1 on July 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Another troll free thread……but, the good news for us….
Mark Buehrle of the White Sox tossed just the 18th perfect game in major league history on Thursday when he blanked the defending American League champion Tampa Bay Rays 5-0 at U.S. Cellular Field in Chicago
Yay for us.
Knucklehead on July 23, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Yes – it is called stagflation. We have seen it before, in the late 1970s. Deja Vu.
Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I’m kidding, BTW. Surely even they aren’t brazen enough to try taking credit for all those jobs.
Oh wait, they probably are.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:34 PM
This ain’t improving. Do you think small-businesses will be hiring anyone in this environment? They have no idea where Obama’s going on cap-and-tase, Obamacare, tax policy, immigration, and lord knows what.
And if ever there was a time when Americans have little or no safety net, this is it. This is going to be an ugly fall and winter.
P.S. Where are the green economy industries?
BuckeyeSam on July 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Add a few foreign policy debacles and the Carter replay will be complete, no?
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Thanks. It’s a game of survival right now. Without my family I wouldn’t be making it.
backwoods conservative on July 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
It is going to look a lot like 1994.
farright on July 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
My brother has had several of these “furloughs” from his company this year also.
chemman on July 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
We’re going to become a 1099 country, everyone self employed.
Princeps on July 23, 2009 at 5:37 PM
They’re coming, of that I am sure.
Vashta.Nerada on July 23, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I lived through Carter. It is simply the only way that mindless libs learn lessons. They live in the amputated present tense so they can’t learn from history.
Mojave Mark on July 23, 2009 at 5:37 PM
FIFY.
BuckeyeSam on July 23, 2009 at 5:37 PM
One of the things that kills me is how much Obama’s policies are hurting the youth vote he won so heavily. In this economy someone with a diploma and no work experience is a high risk and will find it difficult to get a job.
In the Bush years, however, you couldn’t afford to be as demanding experience wise, and there was plenty of opportunity for recent college grads to show what they could, or could not, do.
18-1 on July 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
My husband is a New Jersey state worker and has already had one furlough day and must take three more this year. Jon Corzine will probably spend more money out of his own pocket on attack ads against Chris Christie than the state will save with these furlough days.
Christie has a great ad running that reminds voters that “Wall Street Banker” Corzine promised lots of new jobs, but New Jersey’s unemployment rate is now 11 percent while its business climate is rated the fourth worst in the country.
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Money for drunks?
Steve Z on July 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
That picture for this thread, is that an ObamaCare line for clinic or a unemployment line?
“I would like to say that many of my constituents would love to wait in line for medical care and/or unemployment,” Shea-Porter stated.
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Only a few Republicans (RINO’s) are socialist, most are fighting the the socialists.
Remember the socialist party took over congress in 2007, the president does NOT control congress. Obama voted for all the policies that have caused this, including: the maintenance and expansion of fannie, freddie and acorn.
allrsn on July 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Yeah, ‘intellectuals’ who don’t read history and can’t even remember the glaring lessons of 25-30 years ago.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Dude. You outed yourself as not a true White Sox fan. Not knowning the park is called Cominsky Field. Not good.
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Up next……………
……….. Hyper-Inflation!
That is when things should start to get really interesting…….
Seven Percent Solution on July 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM
They’re spaced out on hopium.
chemman on July 23, 2009 at 5:42 PM
BHO better start looking over his shoulder for the bus, as the congcritters are not going to fall on a sword for him.
ICBM on July 23, 2009 at 5:43 PM
People claim that inflation can’t happen until the economy recovers. Tell Weimar that.
And whatever recovery we see won’t involve jobs.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:43 PM
The Precedent: “Without the Porkulus, the new increase in the jobless number would have been 5,324,882 … so we have fabricated – er … I mean, saved or created, 4,770,882 jobs this month. And the nasty Republicans prefer that we had not fabricated – er .. I mean, created or saved, those millions of jobs, JUST THIS MONTH ALONE!!!!, because Republicans want people out of work. Now, I have to go, as Michelle and I are planning on taking Air Force One out for a joy ride, maybe buzzing a city for kicks.”
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Yep. And, we probably rank 2nd in corruption. Today’s roundup of 30 miscreants included human organ traders. Good grief.
IrishEi on July 23, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Thanks. It’s a game of survival right now. Without my family I wouldn’t be making it.
backwoods conservative on July 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I’m right there with you. We’ll be ok.
txag92 on July 23, 2009 at 5:46 PM
I have my fingers crossed that IL is #1.
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Interesting question:
What urban unemployment rate will spark rioting in cities?
How long until we get there?
What will the next white flight from cities do to this situation?
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2009 at 5:47 PM
SILLY RABBIT, IT’S THE FAULT OF BUSHHHHHHHHH
ParisParamus on July 23, 2009 at 5:47 PM
The Obama (Biden, Frank, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, Summers, Geithner) Economy
Unemployment
Michigan:19.2
Oregon: 18.4%
California: 17.7%
Rhode Island: 17.1%
South Carolina: 16.8%
Tennessee: 15.7%
Florida: 15.6 %
Arizona: 15.5%
Nevada: 15.2%
Ohio: 15.1%
diogenes on July 23, 2009 at 5:48 PM
only every other November….
*damned typos
*wink*
sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 5:48 PM
The young don’t learn from history because they haven’t studied it in public school, where history stopped in Vietnam. They need old fogies to teach them, except they don’t want to listen. Wait until they try to buy a house with a 20% mortgage.
Take a blue pill or a red pill for your malaise or Saturday Night Fever. Put on a sweater to wait three hours for gasoline on odd days ’til they run out. Don’t meddle in Iran, the shah violated human rights. Make sure you kiss MedBrezhnev on both cheeks.
Anybody who lived through Carter get a sense of deja vu?
Steve Z on July 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Congrats. He’s been doing super all year.
a capella on July 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM
That fund was one of Ted Kennedy’s favorite accomplishments.
backwoods conservative on July 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM
You just have to go back to the good old stagflation we experienced in the 70′s, which had been deemed impossible then. But we are headed for something much bigger this time, hyper-stagflation. People have no idea of the barrel we are all staring down.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM
P.S. Maybe Barry O will ask Malia or Sasha on the best policy toward Iranian nukes, like Jimmuh asked 7-year-old Amy.
Steve Z on July 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I wish my experiences of the Obama era were like mine during the Carter era… I couldn’t remember any of it and it only lasted for 11 months.
teke184 on July 23, 2009 at 5:52 PM
LOL
cmsinaz on July 23, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I thought it was called Comisky Arena?
jbh45 on July 23, 2009 at 5:52 PM
What proportion of the population is on welfare in the average urban core? How much effect would an increase in unemployment have? (Don’t know–just asking.)
Inflation might be the bigger threat, when welfare and unemployment checks don’t go nearly as far, and people are forced to change their standard of living.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Give that man a Kewpie doll!
IrishEi on July 23, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I agree with that assessment! but a few are starting to I think.
allrsn on July 23, 2009 at 5:54 PM
No kidding, anyone thinking of locating a business in Jersey has to consider the cost of bribes on top of the exorbitant taxes.
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I’ve been job-hunting, and NJ is one of those states we won’t even consider. You all must be blessed with great tolerance to live there. I would be angry every day and probably die of some stress-related illness in my 50s.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I lost my job because my company decided 1.5 mil in profit wasn’t enough. A lot of us lost jobs at that company, and it had been there for over 15 years. Now I’m competing with thousands of other IT people in an economy with few IT jobs available. Pretty much the same everywhere. I do qualify for training through TAA, but for what? At 53, there’s not much chance I can make any real headway in a new career. Thanks, BarryO, unemployment is just so much fun (NOT!) – and I do remember Carter, very well. These people will not be happy until they have completely destroyed the country. 2010 cannot come soon enough – assuming we ever do have another free election, which I am beginning to doubt the way the Dems are running things.
jdawg on July 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Buehrle must have been inspired because Obama will be in Chicago tonight (fundraising…not date night).
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I have a 59-year-old friend in IT who’s in the same situation. I don’t know what to tell him. Get a CDL? Go back to school and learn C++? I feel for you.
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM
WH reporter said Obama called Buehrle from his “limo” in Cleveland after O was beeped to do it by someone back in WH.
JiangxiDad on July 23, 2009 at 6:02 PM
jazz_piano on July 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM
I’m doing at-home service calls to supplement my unemployment and applying for every IT job I see come along – about 2 – 3 per week. But again, there’s at least 1,000 other people in the area scrambling for the same jobs. What sucks is that I live in Idaho – the “slave wage” state, and to get anything that pays a halfway decent salary I have to commute 30 miles to WA.
jdawg on July 23, 2009 at 6:02 PM
In solidarity, Obama should take paycut, and at the very least cancel his scheduled summer vacation. It’s unseemly to say the least for the President to be living it up while the nation struggles with double-digit unemployment and a health care emergency. I hope Ed will put up one of his polls asking if Obama should cancel his vacation.
Just what sacrifices/cutbacks is the Obama WH making in light of the dire situation we find ourselves in? Where is his solidarity with the people. What is this “let them eat cake attitude?”
JiangxiDad on July 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Dang I was joking, but saw this headline:
Gets Help From Spectacular Catch By Wise; Obama Calls To Congratulate
WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM
That’s his plan all along. When everyone is out of work, then no one will have health coverage from their employer. We’ll all need ObamaCare to survive!
Dandapani on July 23, 2009 at 6:08 PM
I don’t know the welfare numbers, but it’s more a question of relative change. Unemployment is a bigger problem because of the idleness and boredom than just the money issue, though the money issue is huge. There’s no way that the states will be able to keep up with rising welfare costs, as the states are all on the fiscal edge, too.
Inflation is an awful threat to any society. People don’t generally understand what is at risk with run-away inflation, and what is more at risk in our system, since there is no other currency or government that can bail the dollar out.
On top of that, the cities are all going broke and aren’t going to be able to keep up with the growth in welfare “needs” and normal maintenance costs. When they start proposing the moronic cuts for police and firefighters and such (as California is demonstrating on a huge scale), then faith in the security of the cities plummets and people take off, leaving an even worse situation.
I don’t think we have more than a year, maybe a year and half, until the cities really start to boil and then go supernova. There just isn’t the money available to stop it, as money is the force that keeps urban centers from collapsing on themselves.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2009 at 6:09 PM
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