House Democrats block GOP mailers on ObamaCare
posted at 11:36 am on July 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Roll Call reports on a fracas between Democrats and Republicans in the House over the right of Representatives to communicate with their constituents. Republicans want to send this chart, created by Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) to represent the flowchart of health services under ObamaCare, in order to show how much more complicated such care will become. Democrats filed a complaint with the franking committee and blocked it (via Drudge Report):
Democrats are preventing Republican House Members from sending their constituents a mailing that is critical of the majority’s health care reform plan, blocking the mailing by alleging that it is inaccurate.
House Republicans are crying foul and claiming that the Democrats are using their majority to prevent GOP Members from communicating with their constituents. …
“Hiding the truth about wildly unpopular policies is a Democrat specialty,” said one GOP aide. “I’d like to see the flow chart on how Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi plans on implementing the open and transparent government she keeps promising everyone.”
“We have initiated discussions with the minority to try and resolve current differences and are operating in good faith to achieve that goal,” said Kyle Anderson, a spokesman for House Administration Chairman Robert Brady (D-Pa.). The committee has oversight of the commission.
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.), ranking member of the committee and a member of the franking commission, said through a spokeswoman that he is also aware of the situation and is working with the members of the franking commission to resolve the differences, but he added that he believed Democrats on the commission were overreaching.
You can see the chart for yourself here, and click the image to get the full-size PDF:
Even if the Democrats have solid ground for complaining about the graphic, the best remedy for bad speech is more speech, not censorship. Let the Democrats argue the rebuttal in their own mailings. Frankly (pun intended), their criticisms are picayune, amounting in essence to a complaint that Brady didn’t draw enough lines — which just makes Brady’s point even more clear.
An open and transparent Congress and leadership which understood those concepts would not have been frightened of a flow chart.
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myrenovations on July 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Any welcoming Tea Party scheduled?
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM
The layout of this ridiculous chart makes it look 400 times more complicated than it really is.
Health care IS complicated. Get over yourselves.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM
OT—
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CWforFreedom on July 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Oh Boy! Look at all the pretty colors and shapes.
Can anyone tell me what some of these things mean?
NPDB
HIPDB
CCER
AHRQ
CMS
And why do we have an “Office of Minority Health?” I thought we were all equal participants in this scam. Well, except for the exceptional health care plan that Barry and the congress critters receive.
Barb Dwyer on July 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Hell, Al Gore invented the internet. He can damned well decide the rules, fees, content and access.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Everyday our country withers away under these people. How can they sleep at night?
Kick the illegals out of the country, one major problem solved. Including a huge Democrat voter base.
I’m beginning to hate our country, If you have’nt apologized to your children yet for not being able to hold onto the freedoms we were founded on please do so.
It’s time to RED DAWN this MF’er – the commies invaded without a shot fired.
igglesphan on July 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Breaking!!! Int’l politcal scandal out of NJ & NYC (BLUE states of course) involving money laundering.
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM
You negate your “complicated” point.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Aw, Axelrod sent me an email…REFORM CAN”T WAIT! Um, yes it can.
ProudPatriot on July 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM
If truth was a requirement for free franking privileges, not a single piece of mail would have ever been sent by a politician.
JIMV on July 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Oh Boy! Look at all the pretty colors and shapes.
Can anyone tell me what some of these things mean?
NPDB
HIPDB
CCER
AHRQ
CMS
And why do we have an “Office of Minority Health?” I thought we were all equal participants in this scam. Well, except for the exceptional health care plan that Barry and the congress critters receive.
Chef boy Ardee, alphabet soup! mmmm,mmmm, good!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Do you therefore agree that the franking privilege ought to go away? Maxine Waters (my Representative) sends out franked stuff nailing the Republicans all the time. I’m willing to bet a considerable sum that she never had any trouble getting her stuff out when the Republicans had control of Congress — she was obviously welcome to say whatever she needed to say to her constituents in the manner in which she chose to say it.
unclesmrgol on July 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Yep. I don’t know how near we’ll be able to get to the high school though.
I tried to get tickets to the town hall, but failed.
myrenovations on July 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM
How about you f*ck off and go wait five hours for doctor in your country. Got it, chump?
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Federal mandates for website design, huh.
RushBaby on July 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM
A similar chart helped to kill HillaryCare in 1993. (Believe it or not, it was brought out on the floor of the Senate by Arlen Specter.) Democrats have good reason to fear this chart.
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM
So that’s a good enough reason for the democrat party to stop the republicans from mailing it to their constituents, that healthcare is complicated?
Interesting.
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I have a headache.
teffertoes on July 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Then you’ll be able to get free healthcare in a couple of months to solve that problem!
-DCWVU
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM
DCWVU- for once I don’t doubt your idiocy! A couple of MONTHS off for a freaking headache? YOU. ARE. OUT. OF. YOUR. MIND!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM
LOL!! I thought I was tight with a buck. We will have to agree to disagree, I want this attempt to take over healthcare stopped so any means they can use to get the info out works for me. I am pretty sure this mailer doesn’t bust the individual budget for constituent mailings that they are alloted. It’s also a First Amendment issue.
Cindy Munford on July 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM
The question is exactly what makes healthcare so complicated now, and whether it will or will not be more complicated should ObamaCare go into effect.
Dave, you are welcome to make us shut up by drawing attention to your own chart which shows how the complexity will be identical or lessened under the new plan. Rather than being a yellow-bellied ankle biter, why don’t you show us your reasoning?
For example, show us how you handle a health care situation (including the Governmental interactions) in whatever part of the United States you reside?
unclesmrgol on July 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM
NathanG. was mocking dcwvu
thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Actually, the result will be even MORE complicated. The chart does not even convey all the new IRS rules that will be necessary, the “health police” that will administer the fines for people and businesses that fail to purchase health insurance, etc.
The Medicare regulations RIGHT NOW take up more pages than the entire U.S. tax code. So why not double that? What could go wrong?
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Make the most of Obama’s Stupidly.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM
That’s all that these left-wing morons do on this website. Smart off in typical troll fashion and not use actual facts to back themselves. Only one poster (I forget the guy’s name) actually had something legitimate to say with facts, even if he was a flaming liberal). Coming on this website to bug people is really ignorant, especially for someone who a)doesn’t even live in this country and b)has crappy universal healthcare in their own country.
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:33 PM
I think we are supposed to call it ObamAssurance now, not ObamaCare.
At least that’s what I took away from last night’s presser.
myrenovations on July 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Newest amendment offered to HR 3200:
The following amendment is offerred to reduce total healthcare costs:
Individuals whose SSA number ends with an “Even” number (0,2,4,6,8) may only receive benefits under this plan on Mondays, Wednesdays, and on Fridays whose day of month is also an “Even” number.
Individuals whose SSA number ends with an “Odd” number (1,3,5,7,9) may only receive benefits under this plan on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and on Fridays whose day of month is also an “Odd” number.
Saturdays are reserved for those who do not have an SSA.
There shall be no benefits provided on Sundays.
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM
For example, show us how you handle a health care situation (including the Governmental interactions) in whatever part of the United States you reside?
unclesmrgol on July 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Answer,
Leave the best system on earth alone!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM
How about you f*ck off and go wait five hours for doctor in your country. Got it, chump?
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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You don’t need a doctor to get your head out of your a$$, yet it appears you like to keep it there.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:35 PM
A similar chart helped to kill HillaryCare in 1993. (Believe it or not, it was brought out on the floor of the Senate by Arlen Specter.) Democrats have good reason to fear this chart.
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM
specter! Roll tape.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM
House democrats are not all Harvard graduates, however they all share Bambis IQ as does PEE WEE Herman.
bluegrass on July 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM
My health care isn’t complicated at all. They send me a card. I use the card at the doctor’s office and write a check for the co-pay. If I need something else the doctor’s office arranges it and let’s me know where I need to go and when. If it’s a hospital test, I sign in and have the test and they send a bill for whatever insurance doesn’t pay. simple stuff. Can you honestly think that if the government gets involved in health care that it will go something like that? Seriously?
scalleywag on July 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM
You negate your “complicated” point.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
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Healthcare is an 8/10 of complicatedness. No question.
This stupid chart makes it seem like a 34/10.
It’s purposely misleading. Horribly laid out to make it even harder to read.
Just another obnoxious and desperate ploy.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM
NathanG. was mocking dcwvu
thomasaur on July 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Oops! My bad. Sounded about as rational as DCWVU though.
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Hah. That’s exactly how DCWVU wrote his posts. dcwvu, meet Dave Rywall. You’ll make a beautiful couple.
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM
ahahaha, now I’ve got a new favorite expression!
scalleywag on July 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Rywall Stupidly wrote a double negative initially, followed now with a non sequitor.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Hah. That’s exactly how DCWVU wrote his posts. dcwvu, meet Dave Rywall. You’ll make a beautiful couple.
Hah! If these 2 get months long headaches, somebody sure won’t be geeting any. No wonder Libs are so frustrated!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM
The “Democrats” are acting more and more like totalitarians.
WannabeAnglican on July 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Last night’s televised pedantic address and today’s attempt to squalsh free speech…
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM
GOP Leaders should email it to as many of their constituents as they can – better yet, send all of the constituents a mailer telling them that the Dems are trying to keep them in the dark. This could really be used for GREAT leverage if done correctly. Dims are stupid.
Govgirl on July 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Well, why don’t you take a stab at creating a chart that shows ObamaCare as it really is?
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM
The “Democrats” are acting more and more like totalitarians.
WannabeAnglican on July 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Unfortunately, I don’t think its an act.
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM
My health care isn’t complicated at all. They send me a card. I use the card at the doctor’s office and write a check for the co-pay. If I need something else the doctor’s office arranges it and let’s me know where I need to go and when. If it’s a hospital test, I sign in and have the test and they send a bill for whatever insurance doesn’t pay. simple stuff. Can you honestly think that if the government gets involved in health care that it will go something like that? Seriously?
scalleywag on July 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM
——
You forgot the huge bureaucracy behind everything you just mentioned. That’s okay.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM
ohhhhhh, that was a great comeback. What are ya gonna say when the bill doesn’t pass? You have got to be the dumbest person on Earth, and also the nosiest. How long’s that wait in the ER? Didn’t think so. Go find some other politician’s leg to hump other than Obama’s. Oh, no, wait. Your prime minister is a Conservative. Whoops! Here’s to hoping you have a comeback that is actually intelligent and supported by facts and figures. And while I might have my head up my own ass, at least I don’t have it so far up Obama’s. Remember that soon to be failed healthcare bill. As they say in Canada, “Payback’s a bit*ch, eh?”
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM
So that’s a good enough reason for the democrat party to stop the republicans from mailing it to their constituents, that healthcare is complicated?
Interesting.
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM
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Make a proper chart. Then send it out. This chart is purposely misleading.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM
“Become Me Stupidly”
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM
i admit it is hard to read, but in the great words of Mark Levin:
GET OFF THIS THREAD YOU BIG DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ghoul aid on July 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Well, why don’t you take a stab at creating a chart that shows ObamaCare as it really is?
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM
——–
Perhaps the Republicans should be responsible and do that, as opposed to sending out this mind numbingly bad chart.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Well, why don’t you take a stab at creating a chart that shows ObamaCare as it really is?
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Oh thats an easy one. Bring a sleeping bag & a tent, and get in line!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM
ohhhhhh, that was a great comeback. What are ya gonna say when the bill doesn’t pass? You have got to be the dumbest person on Earth, and also the nosiest. How long’s that wait in the ER? Didn’t think so. Go find some other politician’s leg to hump other than Obama’s. Oh, no, wait. Your prime minister is a Conservative. Whoops! Here’s to hoping you have a comeback that is actually intelligent and supported by facts and figures. And while I might have my head up my own ass, at least I don’t have it so far up Obama’s. Remember that soon to be failed healthcare bill. As they say in Canada, “Payback’s a bit*ch, eh?”
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM
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Thanks for your super intelligent thoughts.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Exactly. It’s totally reflective of the democrat’s Obamacare plan. Thanks for pointing that out, Dave.
Fletch54 on July 23, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Fixed it for ya as*hole.
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I’ll take your response to mean you will not attempt to create the properly complex chart.
Can you provide any justification (metrics) to support your overly-complex rating of 34/10? Or did you just make that up?
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM
I’m just another obnoxious and desperate ployshi*head.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Fixed it for ya as*hole.
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:47 PM
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Thanks for more super intelligent thoughts.
No matter how much the chart was simplified, it really bothers you that you know you still wouldn’t understand it. That’s okay.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:49 PM
You forgot the huge bureaucracy behind everything you just mentioned. That’s okay.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM
And we all KNOW how good the Guv is in reducing bureaucacy! The Guv rep’s a INCREASE in paper work between each phase of treatment as you wait for authorization of each successive step.
Plus you ignore the fact that most private provider p/work is the result of Guv regs!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I’ll take your response to mean you will not attempt to create the properly complex chart.
Can you provide any justification (metrics) to support your overly-complex rating of 34/10? Or did you just make that up?
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM
——–
You should be demanding a proper chart that’s properly laid out.
Instead, you’d rather be a whiny baby and denounce the entire plan based on ignorance.
Way to go.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM
That’s the point of the chart, you moron.
Fletch54 on July 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Rywall forgot to answer the question; that’s not ok. Which bureaucracy does one prefer? The private sector that functions well, or the government bureaucrats who deny the Constitution and refuse to abide by their own legislation? [IG case against Obama based upon the McCaskill/Obama legislation] Boil it down to this: mother, may I have a choice?
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
it’s f*cking morons that live for american idol, and harry potter riding around on a f*cking broom stick that need any kind of chart. people that are smart and take an intrest in their country, and politics, etc. do not need to understand that chart. they understand that obamacare means HEALTHCARE RATIONING!!!!AND WAITING FOR SIMPLE OR LIFE THREATENING SURGERIES!!!!
Ghoul aid on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Goo luck, considering that Ogabe himself doesn’t know what is in the bill.
Fascists always justify shutting down the competition, Dave fits right in with that crowd.
Bishop on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
What are ya gonna say when the bill doesn’t pass?
Go about my merry little way as I do now.
But thanks for asking.
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Dave i am sure you were just as bothered when for years the Dems claimed the Pubs were cutting spending when they in fact increased spending but simply reduced the amount of the increase.
CWforFreedom on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Again, you’ve assumed the authority to judge the accuracy of the said chart, and pronounced it overly-complex. On what information have you based your judgement on?
Can we see your Official “Chart Judging” card?
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:53 PM
No matter how much the chart was simplified, it really bothers you that you know you still wouldn’t understand it.
That’s the point of the chart, you moron.
Fletch54 on July 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM
——
So you acknowledge that the point of this chart is to over complicate how the system works, and it could easily convey the necessary information much clearer if someone bothered to do a proper chart. Thanks for proving my point.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Go to your local bmv, dmv, or your large city police department. This will tell you a lot about what to expect.
Also, check this out -see what Dem reps think-
http://republicanwhip.house.gov/blog/7.22.09%20House%20Democrats%20Holding%20Up%20Health%20Care%20Bill.pdf
CWforFreedom on July 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Rywall’s an ignorant whiny baby demanding his mommy’s titty.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM
“The private sector that functions well”
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
———
You think your current system functions well?
AWESOME!
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM
I’ll take your response to mean you will not attempt to create the properly complex chart.
Thats indicative of libby thinking right there. It can’t be right if its not properly complex, jeez!
Keep.It.Simple.Stupid. How? Pay for services rendered.
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM
So you acknowledge that the point of this chart is to over complicate how the system works, and it could easily convey the necessary information much clearer if someone bothered to do a proper chart. Thanks for proving my point.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Very immature of you. Simplifying the chart does not mean that it would provide the specifics needed.
CWforFreedom on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM
What’s to stop the RNC from mailing it?
SouthernGent on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM
You should be demanding a proper chart that’s properly laid out.
Instead, you’d rather be a whiny baby and denounce the entire plan based on ignorance.
Way to go.
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM
The only demand I have of Guv’t is get the hell out of my way!
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM
And yours works so much better? Wow. DOUBLE AWESOME DUDE!
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 12:58 PM
What would Marcus Welby say about all this? Now, there’s an expert we can all trust.
BobMbx on July 23, 2009 at 12:58 PM
You think your current system functions well?
AWESOME!
Dave Rywall on July 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Yup.
Archimedes on July 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Most Americans have health insurance and 80 percent are happy with it. Seems the system is not broken. Hell only 20% of blog readers think positively of D. Rywall.
CWforFreedom on July 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM
You’re behind the times, even on Obama’s mutated propaganda.
The issue is not health care but health insurance. Insurance is not a right, nor it is a privilege. It is a service one purchases.
I’ll take medical services that we now have in the USA, not socialized “universal” medicine.
You speak of Canada where medical misery loves company.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM
the soros-ites must be really scared after last nite; they obviously lit a fire under drywall and his ilk!
:-)
:-)
Buckaroo on July 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I’m beginning to hate our country, If you have’nt apologized to your children yet for not being able to hold onto the freedoms we were founded on please do so.
It’s time to RED DAWN this MF’er – the commies invaded without a shot fired.
igglesphan on July 23, 2009
I understand your anger, but do you really hate your country? I believe you hate the pork-happy scum who are running it into the ground, but not the country. We do owe our children an apology for not fighting these dingleberries harder than we did, even if we didn’t vote for them. It all comes down to us. We have to own the results of our actions or inactions and we have to resolve to do so much better. But…voting for the media’s choice for Republican candidate is not doing better. It’s putting a single stitch on a sucking chest wound.
SKYFOX on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Better than this:
http://www.waittimes.net/waittimes/en/wt_trend.aspx
Ann NY on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Just emailed my D Congressman (Frank Pallone) and asked him to kindly forward me a copy of this chart.
red131 on July 23, 2009 at 1:05 PM
And Rush is on fire today (more so than usual)
red131 on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Good point – we should have a Ministry of Truth to stop people from saying things are are Untrue.
/sarc
Though you do have a point – Obama’s plan can be simply explained:
You want to see a doctor? Wait a long time.
Need a procedure done – ranging from blood test to cancer treatment? Wait a long time.
Do you have an expensive disease to treat or are you old or do you participate in unhealthy behaviors? You may be turned away – but will give you pain killers.
gwelf on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM
OMG! You actually provided charts instead of just harassing people on the website. Oh for shame!
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM
This bill is an Amendment IV disaster:
Progressives railing against unwarranted wiretapping and then approving of this bill is an hypocrisy of the highest order.
Rae on July 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Yes. My husband is employed and has a perfectly fine health insurance plan. So do millions of Americans.
Our system does not function as well for people who do not work or who work at minimum wage jobs that do not come with health insurance. It’s called capitalism. You get what you pay for and what you are willing to work for.
Our system also does not work well for people who change jobs and have existing and costly health problems. This is a terrible reason to junk the entire system and force everyone into a crappy government run system that will bankrupt the country.
Barack Obama promised to “do what works” and to leave alone what is working in our system. He lied. What he is advocating now will not work, and it will ruin what does work.
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM
One of the main points of the chart is that Obama is claiming that there will be administrative savings and no loss of treatment response and quality in a government plan vs a private plan. This chart (which isn’t complete) shows that to be an outright lie.
gwelf on July 23, 2009 at 1:10 PM
It’s the same mentality that produces the “Fairness Doctrine”.
Blaise on July 23, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Oh, come on! Just admit you hate poor people! If you didn’t hate poor people you’d be willing to sacrifice the quality of care you and the majority of Americans enjoy and pay more than you do know so that the uninsured will have crappy health care.
/sarc
/sarc
gwelf on July 23, 2009 at 1:12 PM
And yet it’s still not nearly as complicated as the Gordian knots you Obamabots tie yourselves into trying to keep everyone from getting a clear look at your naked Emperor.
Fortunately, it’s not working.
Awwwww :*(
rvastar on July 23, 2009 at 1:12 PM
What next after censorship? Imprisonment? “Re-education” camps? The potential 2010 election bloodbath in Congress could make the 1994 elections look quaint.
olesparkie on July 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Well. Not completely but I would see it highly limited to things like writing back to people that have written you with a statement or question. I think Cindy is right – I’m just incredibly incredibly tight with a buck. I spent a number of years as a monk under a vow of poverty. This has probably had a big impact on how I think of money and how it should be spent.
dieudonne on July 23, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Which means government couldn’t possibly improve upon it.
gwelf on July 23, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Even I have had a healthcare plan at a freakin’ Kroger working part time. My sister had one available to her at PetSmart if she wanted it while working during the summer between college semesters. That’s a generalization, but, my God, if they can give us one in low-paying retail, then why the hell should we have to listen to these leftists cry and whine about not having healthcare? Healthcare, in some form, is available to the working poor. I agree that we need to regulate the prescription prices and regulate the healthcare industry, I’ll give moderate Dems that, but the answer is not creating a universal healthcare system that will add another pile of trillions to the budget deficit. Left-wing Dems like Pelosi and Obama don’t seem to get that. At all.
NathanG on July 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM
I think Stossel put it best:
The Arrogance of Health Care Reform
Why do politicians with no business experience think they can run 15 percent of the economy?
Rae on July 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM
But but but you don’t understand – they care so much!
gwelf on July 23, 2009 at 1:19 PM
There are currently 68,000 people employed by the Social Security Administration. All this agency does is collect taxes, write checks, give out new Social Security cards, and determine eligibility for disability payments. And it needs 68,000 people to do those simple tasks.
How many people do you think it will take to run the 7 new agencies this bill will establish?
rockmom on July 23, 2009 at 1:20 PM
I’ve been looking at this more closely. I’m not sure I like agreeing with him – but Dave Rywall appears to be correct. It appears as if the chart has been given poor layout, design, and structure in an attempt to over-complicate it. I think the plan is complicated enough and arguments against it are sound enough that we don’t need to resort to gimmicks.
dieudonne on July 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM
How long is the actual bill? At least 1000+ pages right? The bill isn’t even ‘finalized’. One could argue that the chart is inaccurate (though if they do they should point out how) but do you honestly believe it’s not going to be more complicated than the chart indicates?
gwelf on July 23, 2009 at 1:24 PM
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