Video: Chris Matthews can’t get enough of the sweet, sweet birth certificate Trutherism
posted at 8:06 pm on July 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
A “Hardball” reprise of yesterday’s topic du jour. Per Blankley’s comments, I’m wondering: Who was the last president whom both sides agreed was completely legitimate? You have to go back to Bush 41, no? Clinton never won a majority of the vote; Bush 43 lost the popular vote in 2000 and then, according to nutroots lore, won in 2004 because Diebold rigged the vote in Ohio or whatever. And now we’ve got The One, whose sinister plot to falsely establish citizenship evidently extends to planting fake birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961. If Palin wins in 2012, it’ll be fun to see what conspiratorial delegitimizing detail the left comes up with. No doubt Andrew Sullivan is already on the case.
The fact that Matthews has run with this two nights in a row means, I guess, that MSNBC has finally replaced “Rush Limbaugh is the head of the GOP” as its chief line of attack against Republicans.
Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: « Previous 1 … 4 5 6 7 Next »
So we should ignore the Constitution because people might get mad.
Jim Treacher on July 23, 2009 at 3:04 AM
I’m not going to be around the bush with this. If we don’t let it go and it’s proven he’s ineligible, then we will L.A. style riots in every black population center.
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 3:02 AM
========================
I had a feeling that one was coming.
I know you are not a racist, and what you say is based on sound historical evidence, but it is a sad day indeed when an entire country is held hostage to a minority group that feels entitled to have it’s way no matter what the law says.
As Maxine Waters would say, “No justice, no peace.” Now that is a racist statement!
Joe Pyne on July 23, 2009 at 3:06 AM
Mad is an understatement. Thousands would die in the riots.
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 3:06 AM
I’m not going any further down this road with you.
Jim Treacher on July 23, 2009 at 3:08 AM
I understand.
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 3:09 AM
Bring it on. I’ve got plenty of nice folks in west Texas that would be happy for a beatdown. It’s about time, actually.
texaninfidel on July 23, 2009 at 3:11 AM
What I really find amazing is that it is not American tradition to have a public display of the official documentation, proving the President’s Constitutional eligibility, for the duration of each President’s term. Doesn’t that seem like it would exist, seeing how we always display our qualifications and degrees, and have to for certain professions? I would think that, in the White House Tour, in one of the rooms would be a copy of the Constitution, with the position of the Presidency highlighted, along with its eligibility requirements and a little commentary on the meaning of each of the phrases. Then, in a case would be the display of the official documents (or official copies) checked to verify each requirement, along with a script of certification from the SCOTUS (or whomever was supposed to do it).
It seems, to me, that it is odd that this never became a tradition.
On a related note, if someone decided to put together a historical collection of Presidential birth certificates for the Smithsonian (which would be quite interesting), what would The Precedent do? Refuse to give it up for art? I can’t see him saying, “No.”
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2009 at 3:15 AM
Gasoline on a fire. It’s best to let it go, and fix it with an amendment clarifying “natural born”, and requiring the submission of documents to the standing AG.
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 3:15 AM
You better look it up again because I see no need for an amendment of any kind.
Americannodash on July 23, 2009 at 3:23 AM
Well then I will not beat around the bush either. If, and I say again, if, and I say yet again, if Obama were to be proven ineligible, and even more so if, and I say again, if, that were to happen with resultant large loss of life, then he should probably be hung.
Luka on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 AM
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 4:10 AM
After reading all this drivel for a second day, I have two things to say. Nice job Treacher. MadCon, you keep ignoring the facts. Sorry I thought of a third: April is a troll.
infidel on July 23, 2009 at 4:35 AM
So?
Barack should be held to the same standards of eligibility as everyone else. What – we lower the bar for a black man to be President? He doesn’t have the same eligibility requirements to meet?
Is that what you are saying here?
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 5:33 AM
I disagree with allah on this one.
An announcement in Hawaii papers doesn’t
prove that he was born there. If it’s not a big deal why doesn’t he release the damn birth certificate.
val647 on July 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM
I don’t think Allah understands the issue. He seems to think the actual birth is being questioned.
That is also the evidence that Allah used to declare the debate over. Not exactly the highest standard of proof.
Then he spun the existence of the announcement into ‘proof’ that those who question Zero’s eligibility are conspiracy theorists by definition – because you see it couldn’t have been proud grandparents placing an announcement or any other reasonable explanation.
Fire Allah!
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 7:16 AM
We have no more knowledge of this than people like you Stark. Since you claim to know, please give us the name of the hospital and attending physician and nurses. This information is on his mysteriously unavailable long form birth certificate.
We don’t know. We want the usual proof. And I for one am not intimidated by insults from people too dull to distinguish between a demand for a long form birth certificate and an obviously clueless and vicious claim that were it true would have meant George Bush, as Governor of Texas yet, conspired with bin Laden to attack America.
When my granchildren were born in a city 300 miles from where I live I placed an announcement in my local paper.
According to geniuses like AP this is conclusive proof my grandchildren were born in the city where I live.
Stop insulting our intelligence and produce the long form birth certificate- if there is one.
Basilsbest on July 23, 2009 at 7:34 AM
The Kenyan Ambassador to the US (and Kenyans as a whole I suppose) is the ultimate birther:
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_21931.shtml
Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, His Excellency Peter Ogego, acknowleges in this radio interview that Barack Obama was born in Kenya!
When WRIF “Mike In The Morning” Mike Clark (Michigan Radio Talk Show) Co-Host asked if there was going to be a marker where Barack Obama was born in Kenya, the Kenya Ambassador Ogego said his birthplace in Kenya “is already an attraction.”
Next question to Ambassador Ogego was: Will they put up a marker at Obama’s birthplace there? Ogego affirmed: “it’s already well known!”
His Excellency Peter Ogego, Kenyan Ambassador to the United States acknowledges in this radio interview that Barack Obama was born in Kenya!
Interview “LISTEN TO OUR CALLS TO THE KENYAN EMBASSY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA!:”
LISTEN HERE:
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916 See minute: 12:39
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 7:37 AM
Got what you wanted yet, Birthers? Proved Obama was born somewhere else? Uncovered the deep, dark, too-vast-to-contemplate conspiracy against the Constitution?
Didn’t think so. But keep digging – there’s gotta be gold in them thar hills somewhere.
Good Lt on July 23, 2009 at 7:38 AM
Did he produce a birth certificate?
Good Lt on July 23, 2009 at 7:45 AM
Odd that you substandard proofers accept the word one one official but question the word of another.
I prefer production of a trustworthy document – the long form birth certificate – to the word of anyone. But that’s just me being my usual logical self.
Basilsbest on July 23, 2009 at 7:56 AM
You suppressors haven’t proven us wrong, either.
…and we are actually willing to discuss the evidence and the law – unlike you.
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 8:11 AM
No, but apparently Kenyans are birthers. Their Amabassador to the US claims he was born in Kenya – another piece of evidence you willingly ignore.
You wouldn’t make a very good jurist.
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 8:12 AM
Again, “planting fake birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers” is your own smear. No one contests the birth announcement. WHAT the generic birth announcement proved is contested. The only thing proven it that the grandparents made sure to announce the birth of their grandson. All else in only implied.
It irritates Chris Matthews. lol
Note well the lawyer who would go to court to prove his case without bringing the required substantiating legal documentation. Trust him.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 8:14 AM
Luka on July 23, 2009 at 3:28 AM
It would be his fault.
maverick muse on July 23, 2009 at 8:17 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_birth_certificate/2009/07/22/238969.html?s=al&promo_code=83F2-1
# Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.
# Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.
# Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008, but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.
# Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.
# Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.
# Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.
# Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.
# During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released a full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.
Ironically, Obama accused the Bush White House of being “one of the most secretive administrations in our history,” and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.
Chris Matthews, get your facts straight and demand full disclosure – that’s the best way to keep an honest government.
Keemo on July 23, 2009 at 8:20 AM
Agree completely on Allah’s smear being uncalled for and completely silly. That doesn’t surprise me, though. He is a putz and a worm.
Actually, it sounds like it is a basic transfer of data from Health Department records rather than a phoned in announcement by grandparents – according to WND anyways (you know – the people who are actually doing some investigative journalism on this?).
Not discounting the proud grandparents thing completely – just a little doubtful it is as casual as a call-in thing.
It still isn’t proof of a Hawaiian birth since a foreign birth registered in the first year would be handled in the same manner – and it wouldn’t be legally binding in any case.
The announcement is meaningless whatever it’s origin.
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 8:23 AM
I guess there is now going to be a ‘lander’ conspiracy theory if you claim Barack Hussein was in Indonesia during the moon landing rather than accept his made up memories?
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 8:26 AM
We accept that obama lies about everything in his past, his association with Ayers, and Farrakhan and Khalidi and Wright (I did not hear those words for 20 years) , but with this one issue, yes we can trust him. Sounds reasonable….
runner on July 23, 2009 at 8:27 AM
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 3:06 AM
geeez…and if we anger the muslims, thousands could die in a building in New York.
You’ve gotta be kidding me with that way of thinking.
bridgetown on July 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Stop insulting our intelligence and produce the long form birth certificate- if there is one.
Basilsbest on July 23, 2009
No, it’s easier for AP to insult you. Makes him look “enlightened”.
SKYFOX on July 23, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Well, well, well…. Third birther thread in three days in which comments have topped 500 and they were not promoted to the Top Picks.
txsurveyor on July 23, 2009 at 8:48 AM
They must be waiting on the go-ahead from Media Matters.
Mr Purple on July 23, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Even if Obama was born in Kenya, doesn’t he still qualify as “natural-born” since he fulfilled the rules of the time, which were: his mother was single (as the marraige was never legal), they spent 5 consecutive years after the birth in the U.S., and she was either old enough or her age was not a factor?
Not sure. The links here and here provide are the best and most even-handed I’ve found so far, and they show there might be problems.
Any, that might still leave Indonesia, later, as the more damning of the two. If U.S. citizenship rules were violated or abrogated in some way, it would make him ineligible for the presidency. No?
Apologies up front if this was hashed out earlier.
RD on July 23, 2009 at 9:20 AM
The man is a perpetual liar. He even lied about how he met his wife. So, we are to believe he is telling the truth regarding where he was born when all he has to do is release the long form? Sho-me!
The eyes are a mirror to the soul. Just look at him and you know he talks with forked tongue.
jbh45 on July 23, 2009 at 9:29 AM
That’s what Bill Posey is recommending, but the administration wants all talk dropped, maybe even an amendment so squishes like AP can redefine America and elect foreigners and minors.
alliebobbitt on July 23, 2009 at 10:05 AM
With Obama, every sentence beginning with “I” is a lie, even his memoir Dreams of My Father which he probably never wrote. Show up the long form vault copy.
alliebobbitt on July 23, 2009 at 10:07 AM
John McCain was born on U.S. soil in Panama in an American Hospital right it’s like embassies are consider U.S. Soil.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html
My child is an American born abroad, she was born in an U.S. Military hospital in Germany on U.S. Soil. This isn’t brain surgery. Was Obama born on U.S. Soil overseas?
I think he was born in Hawaii, and his mother was a U.S. citizen. I don’t think his father’s citizenship status counts for anything. Barack Sr., was already married. Now was Obama adopted by Soetoro, and did he become Indonesian citizen? You can’t hold duel citizenship.
Do we have a U.S. Military hospital in Kenya circa 1961? I don’t think Obama would have been born in a U.S. Embassy in Kenya they are not equipped for child birthing :)
Dr Evil on July 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM
For a Department of Energy “Q” clearance, one must provide a copy of a notarized birth certificate, pages upon pages of documentation, and references. Said references and one’s parents are personally interviewed by the FBI, who likely at the same time confirmed birth documentation. This process took over 10 months for mine, back in 1984.
Members of Congress, Cabinet members, and their staffs, are not required to pass these requirements. Apparently neither is the President. Just his publicly-known stuff used to be sufficient to disqualify granting him a clearance.
SteelGuy on July 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Once again, AP, you show yourself to be a complete moron. Shame on Michelle Malkin to entrust her blog to a liberal scumbag such as yourself.
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM
You’re quoting Snopes, DanMoron?
You mean the same Snopes that couldn’t even fact check what hospital Obama was born in?
You are indeed a moron.
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM
This coming from a liberal black man who posts under the pseudonym , “The Race Card.”
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Because the “anti-Birthers” like AP, DanStark and MadisonLiberal care too much about what the left thinks of them. If they raise questions about this issue, or at least show tolerance to those who do, the left might call them all kinds of horrible names, like “nut” and “conspiracy theorists.” And they can’t handle that.
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Oops. Forgot to add Hollowpoint to that list.
And I used to think you were one of the more reasonable posters here. I was wrong.
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM
As opposed to say, YouTube and Snopes.com, the two great sources DanStark relies so heavily on?
Oh, and then there’s FackCheck.org and The Huffington Post. Yeah, they’re WAY more credible than WND…
2Brave2Bscared on July 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Let us not forget that the “certificate of live birth” on the web, was posted by the dailykos. I guess some folks consider that a reliable information source.
Actually, kos posted one, took it down, then posted a different one. Go figure.
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM
August 4, 1961, Honolulu, the official record of birth of Hawaii states that….The COLB has been the official record of birth for over 50 years, and never in the 50+ years has there ever been proof that one was forged.
The COLB is the accepted record of birth, in Hawaii, and is accepted by every country in the world, and every state and government agency in the United States, except for one agency in Hawaii.
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM
The newspaper birth announcement only states that he was born but not where he was born. If a similar ad had be placed in a newspaper of some other city would that indicate that he was born there?
scrubjay on July 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Does Chrissy get a thrill running up his leg over this? Bad Chrissy.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html
marklmail on July 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM
You sure like to call names and bait people, don’t you. So, here is right back at you then. You have got to be one of the most dull witted people commenting on this blog. What branch of the service made you a lieutenant?
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM
People who call other people “Birthers”, the new “B” word, whether they admit it or not, are very similar in nature to people who call other people the “N” word. It is the very same kind of thing: a blanket group insult designed to put a whole class of people into an inferior group and thereby shut them up.
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM
So you think then that calling “truthers” in like the “N” word also.
Discernment is the key word…I have seen the shifting sands of the birthers from the beginning…for weeks they kept coming up with “new evidence” and when the evidence was proven to be false, came up with more “evidence”, then more, and each time the “evidence” was destroyed…like the “evidence” that we never landed on the moon.
Some people believe we never landed on the moon, and no matter what “evidence” we show them they won’t believe it…show them a rock? Not the actual rock…show them film? Not the real film…show the logs of the flight? Forged.
Sometimes in life, you just have to be reasonable…The U.S. has never “forged” a lunar event, or a “space” event, so we have to assume they didn’t forge this one.
A COLB from Hawaii has never been found to be forged, and has never been found to be tampered with, for over 50 years.
They officially say it matched the original Certificate…so we either accept all the “evidence” or we still thing we never landed on the moon.
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Really? You are claiming oppressed minority status? Wow…
You and Truthers. Fight the power, Man.
Idiot.
Krydor on July 23, 2009 at 1:39 PM
right2bright at 12:38
Hawaii’s COLB’s have some forgery-revealing features, including the changing of the registrar’s stamp, the official seal, and the border for different years.
The computer image of a photograph of a COLB posted at Factcheck.org has 2007 seal and stamp but a 2008 border.
You won’t find that on a real, 3D COLB but you will find that on a COMPUTER IMAGE of a COLB. That’s why computer images (especially those generated in Photoshop) are never legally-acceptably documentation for anything.
So – either you need to change your statement that a COLB has never been found to be forged, or you need to change your statement that Obama posted a COLB. Because what Obama posted has been found to be forged.
Post the name of the Hawaii official who ever said what was posted on the internet is authentic and mirrors what’s on his long-form birth certificate, with a source, and I will make sure they are sued for giving out information that Obama has not authorized to be released.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Short form is sufficient enough for me. To me, Obama already proved his case.
Yes, I trust Snopes, a website devoted to finding the truth about urban legends, over WND. Follow ups shouldn’t be equated with lying. I trust Snopes over WND. Snopes is highly recognized, WND isn’t. I also trust Factcheck over WND too.
My use of YouTube (one clip) was to provide an example (and it was actually AGAINST the people in the YouTube clip).
C’mon. Proof was already provided, last year even, you birthers just don’t recognize the proof. That’s the real issue here.
This birther movement (and other technicality-ists) is laughed at for good reason. I’m sorry, you will never win because what you all are arguing isn’t true. Obama WAS born in Hawaii.
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Do you trust DailyKOS?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Yeah, you will make sure they are sued…
Just read the report when the officials compared the COLB to the original.
When asked if Obama was born in Honolulu the official spokesperson for the Dept. of Health Services in Hawaii, answered “YES”, then added something like she hopes this finally puts this to rest.
This was reported, and the answer was recorded, as well as emailed to several news sources.
So go ahead and sue, they confirmed the information was accurate.
What was posted, and you keep referring to, was a copy of a copy, in low resolution, you can’t have these “experts” weigh in on something when they can’t even determine resolution quality.
What legitimate news agency has stated it is a forgery? What legitimate document expert has claimed that?
You birthers once claimed there was no fold…then it was discovered when the document was actually examined.
You birthers said there was no seal…then it was found
You birthers said that it could be “changed”, then found out any changes are stamped with a seal
You birthers are relying on a low resolution copy of a copy.
News agencies, and the Hawaiian Dept. of Health Services actually saw the original COLB, not some low resolution copy of a copy, put on the web, with a max of 72 lines per inch resolution.
Sheesh….
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Your babbling on about moon landings is really impressive.
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Brilliant retort.
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 2:07 PM
The sad thing here is, DailyKos is actually acting more sane than you guys. That’s saying something.
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 2:07 PM
So, if all the information on the COLB is the same as on the long form birth certificate, why is it under seal? Why not make it part of the public record, like other birth certificates?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Answer the question: Do you trust DailyKOS as a legitimate source?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I will be the judge of sanity around here and let me just say that your grip on it is not looking so firm right now.
Sigmund on July 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Let me put it this way, if there is an article on DailyKos that says we landed on the moon. I would trust that. If there is an article on DailyKos stating that we did not land on the moon, I would NOT trust that.
This sounds like a red herring to me.
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Sounds like a weasel answer to me.
How about a simple yes or no, do you trust DailyKOS as a legitimate source?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM
I will say no then, I trust DailyKos as much as I trust WND.
Yet you’re ignoring Snopes and Factcheck, two sources I do trust.
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Good, we’re making progress.
Now, you do understand that image of the COLB came from DailyKOS, a source you admit is untrustworthy, correct?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Because, here we go again, it is Hawaiian State Law (for over 50 years) that a COLB is issued, that is the official birth document of Hawaii. The Birth Certificate is under seal by mandate.
There is only one Government agency in all the WORLD that does not accept the COLB as the final statement of fact. Every Government agency in the WORLD, has for over 50 years accepted it as fact…Selective Service, Passport, Probate Court…everyone, in every country….except a few birthers.
I have two birth certificates, because I had misplaced the “original” (which was still a certified copy). Both have different information, one has my dad’s occupation, the other doesn’t, one has a different border, and a different seal…my wife was born in the same hospital, 9 months after me, and hers is totally different from my two, different form, different border, different details…but date of birth, names, the essentials are the same.
You would claim all three of ours are forgeries, one of mine doesn’t even have a “fold”, and the other has two fold, hers has one. One of mine is on totally different paper, etc, etc…you would never be able to determine which one is the “original”.
But a COLB from Hawaii is consistent, they have the same info, in the same place, and it was matched to the original, that who knows, could have been hand written in Cantonese…that is why they have a COLB, it is consistent and accurate.
Now if I posted my two birth certificates on line, would any expert be able to tell which one was really the original, or does it matter if they match up with the same information?
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM
My gut feeling has always been that the birth issue is a red herring to hide the fact he received student loans as a foreign national, or to hide who really funded his college education.
Hence His Smirkiness.
riverrat10k on July 23, 2009 at 2:24 PM
The image was released by the Obama campaign to prove his birth in the United States. It has already been confirmed (look at the Snopes article).
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Incorrect, Obama’s birth certificate is under seal by his own request.
Once again, why would he go out of his way, at great expense, to seal his birth certificate if the information is mirrored by the COLB?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:28 PM
This is the way you argue?
Where did I insult you?
It is called an “analogy”, a concept you may not understand by your retort.
You see, you make a comparable statement, where you can compare similar actions, from different events.
It is used to help define ideas that you feel the person you are posting may not grasp.
Let me break it down:
Birthers ignore facts to create their own scenario, much like 9/11 Truthers do.
See? That is an “analogy” comparing a birther and truther.
I could say as a further analogy…same church, different pew…but they would probably confuse you.
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 2:31 PM
The problem is the constitution doesn’t clarify what natural born is, so the default becomes the immigration law as it stands in circa 1960 when he was born, but the law has changed several times since then. He may actually qualify for natural born now but not in 1960. The ambiguity is a recipe for disaster, so why not let it slide and fix the problem afterward with an amendment just like FDRs third term.
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 2:31 PM
The image was released at the DailyKOS, a site you’ve stated is not a legitimate source. Information from an illegitimate source is, by definition, tainted.
Wouldn’t it be prudent to unseal the original birth certificate so that it can be examined under the public domain, to remove any doubt?
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:33 PM
He has already provided proof. The issue is closed.
Carry on with your conspiracy theory, have fun being proven wrong.
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Don’t you even comprehend the meaning of what you yourself write? You certainly don’t seem to.
Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM
You should read and learn before you post.
All Hawaiian Birth Certificates are automatically sealed by law…only the COLB is issued.
This is why arguing with a birther is so difficult, even the most basic information they ignore.
IT IS A STATE MANDATED LAW
Now aren’t you embarrassed?
Let me help you with the facts…
What you are referring to is that Gov. Lingle issued an order to seal his birth certificate (which was a redundant order), to further make sure the law was not broken.
She did that because she is a huge supporter of Palin, and if the Certificate had found it’s way to the public, she would have been skewered…so she took the extra steps to insure that the Hawaiian law was upheld…of course it was misreported what had happened. She just made it public that the law will prevail, and anyone breaking that law would be held responsible.
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM
This “proof” you claim, came by your own admission from a tainted source. If there is any question, doesn’t it make sense to go back to the original document? It does, especially when it’s a document that’s normally in the public domain.
If the document is unsealed, examined and found to be authentic, then if folks continue with making “birther” claims, I’ll join you in making fun of them. Until then, the tainted evidence is a reasonable standard to ask for the original document, you must agree.
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM
What is really disgusting is that people voted for
Obama-nation without his releasing any evidence that he was qualified in any way, to be POTUS.
This whole questioning of the location of his birth would be absurd, if he released his birth certificate.
His supporters should be demanding that he release his birth certificate.
darktood on July 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I’d like to see it” is fine. “Everybody who would have checked into this is either stupid or corrupt” makes me wonder.
MadisonConservative on July 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM
>>>>
Name me one person who actually DID check into his COLB. Not a computer image of anything, which is not legal documentation for anything. Who actually looked at any documentation for him? Name and position, and give your source for saying they saw any documentation.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Haha. Oh c’mon. There is nothing “tainted” about any of the evidence. It didn’t come “from a tainted source.” DailyKos didn’t create a forged birth certificate for Obama. That is absurd. The Obama campaign released sufficient proof that he is a born citizen of the United States, which is not only recognized by …let me see, basically everyone, but also Michelle Malkin, Ed Morrissey, and Allahpundit. The site you are on, is run by them. Why are you on a “suppressor” site, that is “tainted,” and all that jazz?
This is absurd, I’m sorry, you will not convince me nor anyone in the courts who will take your case seriously. It will not happen.
DanStark on July 23, 2009 at 2:51 PM
.
But, Janine Garafalo aka AprilOrit, you know we raaacists just can’t help ourselves and you have already figured out why- as you so delightfully stated the other day in your It’s-straight-up-racism-they-don’t-want-a-black-man-in-the-White-House… rant:
.
.
.
All I want to know is who keeps loosening those leather four-point restraints on Janine’s hospital bed and giving her back her Crackberry? Somebody’s going to get fired…
NightmareOnKStreet on July 23, 2009 at 2:51 PM
What if he’s eligible, but hiding something to protect his Mother’s honor, and then we made ourselves look crazy and him sympathetic.
DFCtomm on July 23, 2009 at 2:45 AM
>>>>
All the more reason for him to come out with it already. A military officer as good as said to him, “Make. My. Day”
He walked away. Anything to not have a HEARING on whether a legal investigation should be done.
Does that say nothing to you?
If he ends up showing he’s eligible, then he needs to answer for posting a forged COLB when he could have posted a real one, and for saying he was born at 2 different hospitals.
No matter how you spell it, the guy is jerking this nation around. Even if Obama himself isn’t America’s enemy (cough), America’s enemies are watching. You fear riots. That, in addition to the career-killing label of “birther”, could be why reasonable people are ignoring their job duties. BUT what does it tell our enemies if we roll over without even BOTHERING TO CHECK the legal documentation for our president?
Terrorists do a dry run so they can see what they’re up against. The results of this dry run should scare everybody shitless. A photoshopped image of a photo of a document which can be given to somebody born out-of-country to someone who claims to have been a US resident for one year is all that stands between us and Fidel Castro being the president (as long as he’s popular and can get enough ACORN votes).
If Obama is the legitimate president, fine – as long as he has to obey the Constitution to be it. As long as our law is followed, I win. All I want is my country back.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Janice Okubo:
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Why, you think that the left would never forge a document? Oh c’mon yourself. The document was released through the DailyKOS, a hard-left site that you admit is not to be trusted. A healthy skepticism is most certainly in order when looking at any fruit from the poisoned tree.
Reasonable people can look at it and come up with different opinions. There is certainly enough evidence that questioning the veracity of the document is not “crazy conspiracy theory”. It would be a very simple matter to unseal the document and put all doubt to rest. Why Obama chooses not to, reasonable people can differ as to why that is also.
Personally, I find his habit of locking up all his historical documents, that other presidents had no issues releasing, to be somewhat alarming. Perhaps eventually someone will have enough standing to present a case to the courts, which will be the only way to unseal his birth certificate, since clearly “the most transparent president ever” has no intention of keeping that promise.
Rebar on July 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Right2bright at 2:03
Sources, please? Maybe the source will give the name of the official who needs to be sued.
You really don’t understand this whole issue do you? If someone was really able to look at the long-form certificate and give an official report on what it said, none of us would be even talking about this.
You just don’t get it.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Just tell the to stand real close together! ;))
DanaSmiles on July 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Name me one person who actually DID check into his COLB. Not a computer image of anything, which is not legal documentation for anything. Who actually looked at any documentation for him? Name and position, and give your source for saying they saw any documentation.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM
.
HERE is AN ACTUAL HAWAIIAN COLB FROM a man born to a U.S. Army Officer at U.S. Army Tripler General Hospital in 1963- 2 years after Dear Leader’s birth. Note the many differences- font (old typewriter style), abundance of information like the names of those attending the birth (a Marine Corp Captain & Colonel), birth weight, occupation of parents, etc etc.
.
Now go look at the one Snope’s copy of Obama’s COLB that Barry put up on his website… [//please insert *Tickle Me Elmo* laugh here//] BWAHAHAHA, oh, I can’t stop laughing, WAH-HA-HA-HA, please STOP… IT… HURTS….
NightmareOnKStreet on July 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I will excuse you for not reading my 3:05 post.
She is one of the officials…and you are right, seeing as the official has looked at the “long-form”, and offically commented on it, I don’t get why you are still talking about it.
Further research will give you two other names (I prefer not to do your research), both officials of the Health and Services Dept.
One was the official spokesperson, it is recorded in the Hawiian’s Star-Bulletin (there is your clue, you’re welcome).
The whole presser is there for anyone who wants to search for it.
The question: Was Obama born in Honolulu?…the answer “Yes”…what more do you need to know?
Because they understand the law better then birhters, they could not comment on the details, but confirm that the COLB was indeed accurate, compared to the “original”.
BTW, the earth is not flat…
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 3:31 PM
This guy has lived out his time, he needs to retire. Bye, bye chris.
workingforpigs on July 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Not until “The Thrill is Gone“…
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM
right2bright at 2:43
You just said it is state law that the certificate be sealed. Then you told me the Hawaii officials looked at it and told what they saw. I asked you to tell me the name of the person who peeped and told because what they did was illegal.
So then you came back with a diatribe about how birthers change their stories, etc.
Did Hawaii look at the long form certificate and report what was there, or didn’t they? Is it legal for them to report what is on that certificate, or not?
Let’s at least get your version of the story so it’s internally consistent, okay? From there we can work on getting it accurate.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM
right2bright at 3:05
What words in that quote say she ever looked at OBAMA’s long-form birth certificate?
This is basic reading comprehension, folks.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
>>>>
Everybody receives Obaqma’s Factcheck COLB when they request a birth certificate?
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM
.
justincase, sorry, I meant to highlight/”quote” your post. I think you are doing an extraordinary job refuting the closed-minded as well as the trolls and MOBYS!
.
****Just thought I’d give you the links to COMPARE a REAL 1963 HAWAIIAN Cert of Live Birth TO SNOPES’ COPY OF Obama’s posted COLB
****- they’re nothing alike!
NightmareOnKStreet on July 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM
.
Hmmmmm…. OBVIOUSLY NOT. The two “documents” look NOTHING ALIKE… Obama’s posted COLB hits “Dear Leader’s Memory Scrubber” in 4… 3… 2…
NightmareOnKStreet on July 23, 2009 at 4:23 PM
What is so confusing about the name Janice Okubo, I stated that name quite clearly.
What do you want to know?…if Obama was born in Hawaii?…the official answer is yes.
Now you want to know about what official…I gave you the name, and told you where to look for other names and the presser where this was discussed.
The state has every right to “confirm” just not the right to reveal…you are either being very coy, or just plain stupid.
First, look at what was stated, your words of “long form” are not accurate.
What you mean to ask is about the difference between the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) and the Live Birth Certificate (which was the nomenclature at that time).
Everything was placed on micro-fishe, so the term of long form and short are only descriptive. They print out what in on the “film”, and the print out is the COLB.
They were confirming that Obama was born in Hawaii, that there were no discrepancies…they couldn’t comment on the specific details since by mandate they could not.
But they could confirm that there were no irregularities with the COLB.
What confuses many now, is that the term COLB has changed (I believer about 8 years ago).
They only issued the COLB, that was the only document issued, the detail was for another state agency.
I know how hard it is to admit you are confused or wrong…but do a little research (stay off the birther sites), and you will find the answers…you may ignore them as you have mine, but they are there.
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 4:26 PM
I have two official birth certificates from the hospital I was born in…both are totally different, yet they are both “official”.
Which one is the forgery, A or B…
As stated, my wife’s, from the same hospital, nine months later, completely different then my two…so we have three from the same hospital within one year, all different.
Which one is the forgery, A, B or C…
right2bright on July 23, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Thanks, Nightmare. And Obama’s fightthesmears site has been taken down. Fortunately, people have screenshots of his site and of things like Snopes.com and various news sites changing the birth hospital to Kapiolani simply on the (second, contradictory) word of Obama. Real convincing fact-checking process there, huh?
The dozens of social security numbers for Barack Obama (or some variant of the name) – all born on Aug 4, 1961 – that have been scrubbed from searchable databases have been documented also. Thank God for screenshots.
justincase on July 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Comment pages: « Previous 1 … 4 5 6 7 Next »