Embarrassing softball question of the day

posted at 10:40 pm on July 22, 2009 by Allahpundit

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oozing stench.

katy on July 23,2009 at 12:48AM.

katy: Tee-Hee,the festering of his Administration!!:)

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

I have every right to verbally abuse him

That just cracks me up. You put so much store in your “right” to verbally abuse a cop doing his job.

Does that make your little manhood tingle?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

His speech,at the NAACP,shall we say it was colourful
in his words!:)

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 12:53 AM

I read that the AA community was been increasingly disappointed by him and that speech made them angry generally. They are still, of course solidly behind him but they have been disillusioned.

msmveritas on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

The police arrested a man in HIS OWN HOUSE after he showed them photo ID that they were all standing IN HIS OWN HOUSE. So yes, those policemen were either incredibly racist or (more probable) incredibly stupid. I’m glad the POTUS said what everyone is thinking.

dcwvu on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 12:53 AM

How will a megalomaniac like Obama deal with his first huge defeat?

It’s a scary prospect if this and crap and tax don’t pass.

His demons will come flying out and God knows how the hell that will play out.

You can’t fight what you can’t see.
Bring it on!!!!!

katy on July 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM

The old saying is that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged and a libertarian is a conservative who has been arrested.

Gee, I bet not a single person on this thread ever heard the second part of that “old saying”.

You have absolutely no concept of what libertarianism is about.

One thing it’s not about: yelling obscenities at cops.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 12:59 AM

But the sort of hate you showed for cops indicates to me that you’ve been arrested for using.

No hypocrisy there.

But the cops were just doing their jobs, loser.

guntotinglibertarian

Buzzz! Wrong Answer. You lose again.

Never been arrested for anything involving drugs. I’ve had good dealings with cops and bad dealings with cops. The good cops are in the minority. The bad cops are the idiots you went to high school with.

The cop’s job was over once Gates produced ID. At that point, however, cop ego demands obeisance because Gates had tried to call his cop, pulled a DYKWIA, and then made a yo’ mama joke. What crimes had been committed at that point?

Tell me, oh great disciple of Rand and Hayek, oh man of liberty, oh self professed libertarian. What crime had been committed at that point?

Being imprudent isn’t a crime. Being impudent isn’t a crime. Falsely accusing a cop of racism in your own home isn’t a crime (though it could be a civil tort).

Being an asshole under cover of authority, though, is an abuse of power.

The cop baited Gates to leave his home specifically so he could arrest him. The fact that so called conservatives and libertarians have no problem with it means that you’re a lot closer to the statist lefties than you think.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:00 AM

The police arrested a man in HIS OWN HOUSE after

You’re absolutely certain that it was “after” he showed his ID?

You were there, right?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:01 AM

dcwvu on July 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

Right, then he started yelling and screaming like an irate toddler that crapped her pants and got hauled off to the slammer for a cool down session (disorderly charge ring a bell?)….fortunately for him, the Governor is his bff.

RepubChica on July 23, 2009 at 1:01 AM

I read that the AA community…..

msmvertitas on July 23,2009 at 12:57AM.

msmvertas:

I would love to see a African American Million Family March,
stating that he doen’t represent them,and are still waiting
for the’Hope and Change’!!

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 1:01 AM

I would love to see a African American Million Family March,

Statistically impossible.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM

One thing it’s not about: yelling obscenities at cops.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 12:59 AM

If you don’t yell obscenities when a cop tries to arrest you for breaking into your own home after you show him ID, you have no balls or soul to speak of. If thats how you really feel, the government has broken you into a spineless “yes sir” man.

dcwvu on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM

If I had called you an idiot, that would be ad hominem.

I said your reasoning was idiotic. Totally different thing.

Go play with people at your own level of intellectual development.

Distinction without a difference. Saying that someone’s reasoning is idiotic is exactly an ad hominum attack unless you show how the reasoning is idiotic. Since you never rebutted my argument, your response was ad hominum.

So if you’re so smart, what are the first three words of the Bible?

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:03 AM

You were there, right?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:01 AM

And apparently you were?

dcwvu on July 23, 2009 at 1:03 AM

If you don’t yell obscenities when a cop tries to arrest you for breaking into your own home after you show him ID, you have no balls or soul to speak of. If thats how you really feel, the government has broken you into a spineless “yes sir” man.

So that’s how we express our rights as free citizens, hmmm? By yelling obscenities?

Charming.

Yeah, now that you mention it, I do seem to recall the Federalist Papers being replete with motherf****r and assh**e and f**k the King.

Do me a favor? Register Democrat. We don’t need people like you on our side.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Does that make your little manhood tingle?

guntotinglibertarian

No ad hominum there, no not at all.

See the funny thing is you don’t realize just how immature you look.

Yeah, I get off on telling authority figures where to go. That makes me an American.

I’m sure you would have gladly suffered the king quartering his troops in your house while they ate your food and shtupped your wife and son.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 AM

If you don’t yell obscenities when a cop tries to arrest you for breaking into your own home after you show him ID, you have no balls or soul to speak of. If thats how you really feel, the government has broken you into a spineless “yes sir” man.

dcwvu on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Try it sparkplug…hope you have some change saved to make bail. And I’m certain you aren’t connected to the governor of your state nor the president of the US, so good luck crying racism.

RepubChica on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 AM

The king is a fink!

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 AM

I’m glad the POTUS said what everone was thinking!

dcwvu on July 23,2009 at 12:57AM.

dcwvu:You actually mean,what Liberals are thinking!

Its PERCEPTION/DECEPTION!

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 AM

So if you’re so smart, what are the first three words of the Bible?

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:03 AM

What on earth does the Bible have to do with being “smart”?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:07 AM

Sounds like you like the sharp end of the nanny state’s spear. Sniff any holsters lately?

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Actually, I was being quite sincere. Your comment makes me realize you have a huge chip on your shoulder just as I suspected. I’m just an average citizen who gives the respect due to those who protect and serve the people. Your issues with the bigoted police can remain with you. I am moving on.

Miss Molly on July 23, 2009 at 1:08 AM

No ad hominum there, no not at all.

It’s spelled “ad hominem”, genius.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:08 AM

If the neighbor did not get a good look at Gates, but only looked at his “driver,” the facial feature likeliest to have prompted the call was unfamiliarity. I have some idea what most of my neighbors look like, and if one of them were as prominent as Professor Gates, I’d damn well know what he looks like.

But if she never got a good enough look at Gates to recognize him, and only saw the unfamiliar “driver,” it was reasonable to call the cops.

How much of an asshole was Professor Gates before showing ID? You do realize that cops don’t just take your word for it when you say you are the owner of a house with a broken door. When you go all off on them, it starts to look as if you doth protest too much, and then they are really wanting to see some ID.

Sekhmet on July 23, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Yeah, I get off on telling authority figures where to go

What a man! I am in awe of your masculinity.

By the way…are you a veteran?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:10 AM

You’re absolutely certain that it was “after” he showed his ID?

You were there, right?

guntotinglibertarian

No, but I’ve read the police report that acknowledges that Gates produced two pieces of ID while still in the house and then was baited by the police officer to leave the legal sanctuary of his own home, to come out on the porch, still on private property, but in public view where the cop could argue that Gates yelling was a disturbance.

Classic cop behavior. Civilian had committed no crime but cop figures out a way to show him who’s in charge.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:11 AM

I don’t like BHO one little bit and I can just see what this opionated jerk at Harvard must have sounded like. I was stopped mistakingly once because the car I was in matched a 7-11 robbery getaway car, by an idiot cop who almost killed me. Say what you will about cops, good or bad, but never give them a hard time! I was told to get out of my car and spread eagle and then this fool COCKED his 357! That was the loudest click in my whole life. Do you know how little it takes to pull a revolver trigger once it is cocked? It only has to move about a 32nd of an inch! Anyway, a sergeant showed up and told this asshole to put away his gun. I asked for help from bystanders to call the local police but everyone assumed that I was guilty. Its a helpless feeling but I didn’t start to curse him!

inspectorudy on July 23, 2009 at 1:12 AM

Here’s the thing … the UK Guardian says:

“This press conference wasn’t a disaster, but it didn’t really quite work, and it didn’t work because Barack Obama hasn’t figured out how to sell this …”

Exactly. Obama is probably stunned that it isn’t just selling itself. He is probably beside himself in perplexity at why Americans aren’t flocking to “free” government health care. Maybe we don’t WANT the government knowing every intimate detail of our lives only to be “leaked” if we get a little too uppity.

People tend to believe that they are pretty much like everyone else. Obama is likely stunned to learn that people are not just “spring loaded” to clamor for the passing of this bill. He hasn’t figured out how to sell it because he probably never figured he would HAVE to. And he probably has no clue HOW to sell it because he can’t figure out what people’s basic gripe is.

Hey, Barry, here’s a clue … several smaller individual providers are better than ONE HUGE provider that knows everything about everyone AND is the government. I experience it as a giant invasion of my privacy. I don’t want “the government” knowing my hemorrhoid status or the state of my erectile health.

crosspatch on July 23, 2009 at 1:12 AM

No, but I’ve read the police report

You read the police report?
Who delivered that to you? A black unicorn?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Statistically impossible…

guntotinglibertarian on July 23,2009 at 1:02AM.

guntotinglibertarian: He he,but I was Hoping!!:)

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Cops ask for ID in these situations because they would be on the hook if they just took your word for it, and you turned out to be a burglar who looked a lot like someone in the family portraits on the wall, or if there is something like violation of a restraining order going on.

But oh nooo, duuuude, the pigs, man, they just exist to take your weed and kick your ass, duuude.

Sekhmet on July 23, 2009 at 1:15 AM

I can assure you, if I come to your door on a burglary call and you refuse to show me I.D…..immediately, I will snatch you out of your shoes!
I am sure he was taken to jail for continuing to cuss the Officers, for doing their job, which is a crime. What is worse than anything that happened at the professors home is the complete crap that Obama spews. Absolutely pathetic.

the Coondawg on July 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM

But oh nooo, duuuude, the pigs, man, they just exist to take your weed and kick your ass, duuude.

Sekhmet on July 23, 2009 at 1:15 AM

And to keep you from exercising your right to wave your little manhood at school children. Fascists!!

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM

Actually, I understand…from having seen the police report…that the cops, knowing the guy claimed to be an eminent scholar, challenged him to spell “ad hominem” and when he failed after three tries and started yelling at him they cuffed him, Danno.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Here is a link for the my comment earlier It was on Rev Al’s radio show, there’s a transcript at the link from radioequalizer. My sense is that since his polls have started to fall, members of the AA community are opening up about some of their disappointment in Obama.

msmveritas on July 23, 2009 at 1:20 AM

By the way…are you a veteran?

So now some self professed “libertarian” is going to start with a chickenhawk argument? Boy, you’re really weak.

When I was of military age, the armed forces were going through some serious size reductions. I was eligible for the draft, registered, and would have served if drafted (and either been sent to OCS or the brig, based on my test scores and attitude towards authority). By the time the armed forces started growing during the Reagan years I had already started a family and a career. It doesn’t make me noble, but then it also doesn’t make the hundreds of millions of patriotic Americans who have never served in the armed forces cowards either. My business has provided, at discount, merchandise to soldier support groups. My daughter has enlisted in the Navy and I’ve supported her 100% in that decision.

Are you a veteran? If so, thank you for your service, though I fear that you weren’t really fighting for your country. Your buddies in your unit, sure, but you’re such a statist, I’m not sure that you know what this country stands for.

I think you’d prefer a king.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:20 AM

My daughter has enlisted in the Navy and I’ve supported her 100% in that decision.

Does she yell obscenities at her officers?

No?

Geez, who can explain genetics?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:21 AM

What on earth does the Bible have to do with being “smart”?

guntotinglibertarian

It’s called general cultural literacy. Best selling book of all times. I’d expect you to know the titles of some Shakespeare plays as well.

Unless, that is, you’re so convinced of your intellectual superiority that you have no need to learn anything.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:22 AM

AP, Was this a softball question or distraction? Seems strange the final question wasn’t about healthcare. I’m sure a reporter wouldn’t want to distract from the healthcare debate by changing the subject to RACISM?
Nah.. TN Mom on July 22, 2009 at 11:39 PM

You are probably correct – got me going… good diversion

If you bothered to read the police report, Gates produced his Harvard faculty card and his driver’s license while still in the house. At that point Gates had every right to be pissed…..rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Every report I read in Boston prior to tonight did not indicate that his ID was handed out either quickly or with an even a lf-irritated-smile to the police. And this reaction was irate – “do you you know who I am?” attitude – yeah that’ll work Mr Scholar. I can understand irritation though I think I would appreciate the police, and as a scholar, could figure even my locksmith shouldn’t open my house with out an ID but I guess the police should say we got this 911 call – but OK whatever you say mister. Being irate at the police when his house and the area had a rash of break-ins isn’t acceptable. The the guy might be a scholar but Mr Gates acted Stupidly (just had to get that correct description in :)

wubu on July 23, 2009 at 1:22 AM

That was so funny. The man-child believes he’s wearing the fur coat.

Probably, the most cohesive answer in the entire presser.

So much off topic. What a Garbanzo bean.

Kini on July 23, 2009 at 1:22 AM

though I fear that you weren’t really fighting for your country.

You’re right…I was fighting for your inalienable right to scream obscenities at policemen.

You know, every time I watched a guy in my unit be carried off in a body bag, I silently said, “Well, buddie, sleep well, knowing you’ve defened rokemronnie’s right to scream at policemen.”

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:24 AM

Does she yell obscenities at her officers?

No?

Geez, who can explain genetics?

guntotinglibertarian

Are you saying that cops relationships to regular folks are the equivalent to superior officers and subordinates in the armed forces? Since when is a police officer my flipping superior???

I’m pretty sure that the cops work for the civilians, not the other way around.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:25 AM

You know, every time I watched a guy in my unit be carried off in a body bag,

And you mock Gates for pulling the race card.

You’re as bad as the Code Pinkers who wanted to take pictures of flag draped coffins unloaded from jets. You use the death of your buddy to make points in an argument and thereby defile his death. You are not worthy of him.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:26 AM

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Cop comes into my house and demands ID? I have every right to verbally abuse him while I’m looking for proof that it’s my house.

Listen to you. You sound like some punk teenager with a pointless chip on his shoulder. The police were there to protect Gates’ property. It is not the fault of the police that they were called, and they would have failed in their responsibility not to look into the situation.

I just hope no one breaks into your house.

Yeah, so Gates was a jerk. Being a jerk in your own home isn’t an excuse to have your liberty taken away. The cop, however was a jerk who was abusing his power as an official of the state.

Depends on how much of a jerk you are. Speaking in absolutes will almost always provide a faulty statement. What if someone was a jerk and say, beat their wife in their home?

And how exactly did the police “abuse” power? Gates is not only an ungrateful piece of crap, he’s also a whiny little flake that has made his entire career of being a race-baiter. He would have condemned the police and accused them of racism if they didn’t show up to protect his property, I’d wager.

I can’t wait to watch you squeal when some cop tries to violate your own 2nd Amendment rights.

Wow. Did you think that through before you typed it? There’s a difference between a policeman doing his duty and responding to a report of a break-in, and one engaging in an unconstitutional activity.

Apples, meet oranges.

See, the reality is that you can’t just pick saints for test cases. Miranda was a criminal. So was Gideon. If rights only apply to saints who say yes ma’am and no sir when an officer of the state demands certain behavior, well then, they aren’t really rights.

So, do away with jails? Is that what you’re driving at? We can’t actually treat criminals like criminals because they might not actually be criminals?

ynot4tony2 on July 23, 2009 at 1:26 AM

It’s called general cultural literacy.

Uh huh. Do you tuck that bible under your arm while you’re screaming obscenities at policemen?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Too bad it was him and not you in that body bag.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:27 AM

What if someone was a jerk and say, beat their wife in their home?

No, that’s not called being a jerk, that’s called assault or domestic violence, depending on the jurisdiction.

I’m pretty sure that you’d probably oppose “hate crimes” legislation, but somehow mouthing off to a cop in my own house is worthy of arrest.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:28 AM

And he gets even weaker, whining about a spelling error in a foreign language.

Ben zonah, yimach shimcha.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Here is the link……

msmveritas on July 23,2009 at 1:20AM.

msmveritas: Thanks for the link,I found this interesting in
the article,

“suddenly phoning the syndicated Liberal talk
host to express their concerns over unfulfill
ed promises and unclear results”.

Sounds like the tide on ObamaVoterBots might
be turning,and its only been,about five or so
months in his Administration!:)

Thank-You,Msmveritas for that link,to quote
Al,keep Hope Alive,hehe!:)

Well,it getting late,I’m turning in,goodnight
Msmvertias,and to the rest of Hot Air crew!:)

canopfor on July 23, 2009 at 1:30 AM

You use the death of your buddy to make points in an argument and thereby defile his death. You are not worthy of him.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:26 AM

You’re the one who impugned my service. I merely responded.

I will say this: I have 10,000 times more respect for your daughter than I do for you.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:30 AM

And by the way, rokemronnie, kindly provide the rest of us the link to that “police report” you read.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Too bad it was him and not you in that body bag.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:27 AM

God love ya. An entirely new low.

Beneath contempt.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Wow. Did you think that through before you typed it? There’s a difference between a policeman doing his duty and responding to a report of a break-in, and one engaging in an unconstitutional activity.

There’s a real question of entrapment here. Entrapment is unconstitutional. The prosecutor may have realized that and in any case he dropped the charges. More than ninety percent of criminal defendants are in fact guilty, so why did the prosecutor drop charges if the cop’s actions were so right?

Oh right, Gates’ friends have exerted pressure and the president said that the cop was stupid.

I’m no fan of Obama, to say the least, but Gates committed no crime till the cop baited him to leave his home and that’s entrapment.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:35 AM

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:11 AM

“Baited by police” seems an odd assertion. Read the police report – Gates was a Class A a**hole from moment one, starting in with the racism accusation. He voluntarily followed the cop outside for the express purpose of calling him a racist. If you’re going to verbally abuse a cop on the street, I don’t give a frog’s fat ass how many pieces if ID you just got through showing him.

It’s a tough enough job without having to deal with people like Gates. Called to investigate a potential break-in, the guy is asked for ID – cry me a river. If it were my house, I’d sure feel better knowing that the cop didn’t take my word that I belonged there.

landshark on July 23, 2009 at 1:37 AM

He voluntarily followed the cop outside for the express purpose of calling him a racist.

After the cop made a bullshit excuse that he had to leave the house because the acoustics and Gates’ yelling made it hard to hear his radio. He proceeded to tell Gates that if he wanted to continue he should come outside.

The cop was putting a civilian in his place. The race angle confuses things and as I said Gates was imprudent and a jerk, but no crime had been committed at that point.

Cops lie. Everyone in the criminal justice system knows that.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:41 AM

wubu on July 23, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Exactly. The police arrived in good faith not knowing what they were getting into, or who they were dealing with. Gates looked at them as the enemy from the start and treated the police as if they did something wrong. He muddied the waters by acting as if he could do whatever he wanted because of who he was.

If the police came to my house in the same situation, and things were moving swiftly, I still would have been thanking them for responding to suspicious activity rather than yelling at them and screaming racism.

Miss Molly on July 23, 2009 at 1:41 AM

Beneath contempt.

guntotinglibertarian

You’re not fit to smell my daughter’s shit.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:42 AM

Everyone in the criminal justice system knows that.

The words of personal experience, obviously.

I’m done arguing with an ex-con.

Thank God you can’t vote.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:42 AM

You’re not fit to smell my daughter’s shit.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:42 AM

How does your daughter feel explaining to her suitors that you’re an ex-con?

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM

Sure does know a lot for not knowing the facts. Doing his part to set race relations back 40 or 50 years.

What a guy. . .And that stuuupid reporter. Barf. . .

Texyank on July 23, 2009 at 1:46 AM

but Gates committed no crime till the cop baited him to leave his home and that’s entrapment.
rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:35 AM

That is speculation at this point on your part. You have provided no proof.

chemman on July 23, 2009 at 1:48 AM

The words of personal experience, obviously.

I’m done arguing with an ex-con.

Thank God you can’t vote.

guntotinglibertarian

Would the brave, brave man be willing to sign your name to that libel?

Only convicted felons can’t vote. I’ve never been convicted of a felony. Actually, I’ve never been convicted of any crimes beyond traffic issues and I think only one of those wasn’t a civil offense.

But to the point I made before, even ex cons like Miranda and Gideon have rights. In this society, even criminals have rights, because the founding fathers knew they were criminals in the eyes of the crown.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:48 AM

How does your daughter feel explaining to her suitors that you’re an ex-con?

guntotinglibertarian

How do your kids feel about having to explain that their mother and their sister are the same woman?

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:49 AM

And that stuuupid reporter. Barf.

She unwittingly did us a great service. Unmasked Ogabe for the black-liberation radical he has always been.

Guarantee you his zombie response cost him a lot of support among middle-class moderates who are sick to death of race-baiting.

The guy is such a dumb tool, he just couldn’t help but revert to type.

So much for that “historic” speech of his about race.

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:49 AM

That is speculation at this point on your part. You have provided no proof.

chemman

He was arrested for creating a disturbance outside of his house. That’s clear from the boilerplate text used in the police report describing the reaction from witnesses and passersby.

In any case, in this country the burden of proof is on the police, not defendants. People are presumed innocent, even if they are Harvard professor race pimps on their high horse.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:51 AM

Hey, AllahPundit,

Doesn’t it make you cringe, just a little, to see how many so called libertarians and conservatives are comfortable with cops acting badly?

I mean it’s good for the page views and comment lengths, but I’m pretty sure that if push came to shove, they’d be on the other side.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:54 AM

This was horrible. All he had to say is that he’s not familiar with the case and he’ll leave it up to local officials. Wow.

At the end he even said that blacks and hispanics are often picked up more frequently, and often times with no cause…

No cause? You hear that all of you cops out there. It’s not some rogue cops. It’s not an anomaly. Often times you guys pick up blacks and hispanics with no cause. Way to go, Obama.

I also liked his bad-mouthing of doctors by implying that they are just yanking tonsils left and right so they can get paid. Bravo, Mr. President. Great Press Conference.

JohnInCA on July 23, 2009 at 1:54 AM

guntotinglibertarian on July 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM

See, when those who can’t argue effectively anymore start spewing vomit at the people they are arguing with, it’s best to let them chew on it a bit. (advice to me not long ago?) There is no changing someone who has made up their mind and can’t reason things out.

Mr. Obama chooses to consider Professor Gates his friend and actually puts down the people who swear to protect and serve even if it means giving up their life. This tells us so much about him and the people willing to tow the line for him.

I think it’s time for another beer.

Miss Molly on July 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM

1 – Lynn Sweet, Sun Times, pitched that softball.

2 – Bam’s story doesn’t match Skip’s. Even Skip admits that he didn’t fork over his ID upon request. Instead, he asked for the cop’s name and badge number each time he was asked for his ID.

Not casting judgment on the situation other than Bam didn’t convey the details properly.

yo on July 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM

Cops lie. Everyone in the criminal justice system knows that.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:41 AM

If this cop was that good at lying then there would be no way to make an inference that he was baiting Mr. Gates. You can’t have it both ways.

After the cop made a bullshit excuse that he had to leave the house because the acoustics and Gates’ yelling made it hard to hear his radio.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:41 AM

And you know that is an (expletive deleted) excuse how?

BTW: Both of them were idiots.

In terms of cultural literacy you realize that the Apostle Paul said “all things are lawful but not all things are expedient.” While Mr. Gates or You can certainly claim a right to say what you want in what tone of voice you choose it certainly is not always expedient to do so.

chemman on July 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM

JohnInCA on July 23, 2009 at 1:54 AM

This is Mr. Obama’s world view.
Everyone not like him is a racist.
Thus far, I have seen nothing from him to say the contrary.

Miss Molly on July 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM

YOU MUST READ THIS AND PASS IT ON.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html

marklmail on July 22, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Thank you. This needs to go viral.

atheling on July 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 1:51 AM

Agreed, but you still didn’t provide any evidence for you assertion that he was baited and it was entrapment. You are reading into the boiler plate releases and that is my point.

chemman on July 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM

atheling on July 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM

He has provided a number of good points but I would recommend you back check everything yourself for context.

chemman on July 23, 2009 at 2:07 AM

Puke.

Allah, I want my three minutes back.

fireweednectar on July 23, 2009 at 2:28 AM

Agreed, but you still didn’t provide any evidence for you assertion that he was baited and it was entrapment. You are reading into the boiler plate releases and that is my point.

chemman on July 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM

The link to that redacted police report is no longer active, but here’s the account from the Boston Globe:

After Gates produced his Harvard identity badge, Crowley said he was ready to leave the house because the professor’s shouting was “making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information” to the dispatcher, the report said. When Crowley asked Gates to follow him outside if he had further questions, Gates said, “Yeah, I’ll speak with your mama outside,” the sergeant wrote.

Gates continued accusing the sergeant of racial bias “and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him” on the front porch as other police officers and bystanders watched, according to the report.

I’m not the only person that sees this as the cop baiting Gates to come outside where he could arrest him.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 2:53 AM

How does your daughter feel explaining to her suitors that you’re an ex-con?

guntotinglibertarian

I’m sure she’s tried for years to convince one to take him out.

xblade on July 23, 2009 at 2:55 AM

I’m not the only person that sees this as the cop baiting Gates to come outside where he could arrest him.

rokemronnie

Nobody said you were alone in your insanity. There are plenty of crazy people in the world….you’re just one more.

xblade on July 23, 2009 at 3:01 AM

Mr. Obama chooses to consider Professor Gates his friend and actually puts down the people who swear to protect and serve even if it means giving up their life. This tells us so much about him and the people willing to tow the line for him.

See South vs Maryland. Police have no obligation to protect people. Obama’s a terrible president, but cops serve their departments and their unions, not the public. The protect not the public, but rather their own interests. Cops have posted here on HotAir whining about how we’re not their bosses, how they don’t work for us, they work for their chief.

They’re grubby, greedy public employees who abuse disability pensions and expect us to treat them with respect when they treat us with barely disguised scorn. They’re the first to whine when budgets need to be cut, using scare tactics about crime.

If cops are so wonderful, how come every major department needs an internal affairs bureau and smaller departments are investigated by the state police?

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 3:02 AM

2 – Bam’s story doesn’t match Skip’s. Even Skip admits that he didn’t fork over his ID upon request. Instead, he asked for the cop’s name and badge number each time he was asked for his ID.

And homes are never invaded by police impersonators? I don’t let a utility repairman into my house without proper ID, I’m certainly not going to let an agent of the state into my house without ascertaining his identity and legitimacy. That’s just prudent. He could be a criminal posing as a cop. It happens all the time.

Or he could just be a cop who’s a criminal, that happens a lot too. There’s that cop in Ohio who’s killed a couple of wives. A Michigan cop recently wrecked his cruiser driving drunk on duty. Those cops in New York who sodomized that guy with a billy club.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 3:08 AM

I’m sure she’s tried for years to convince one to take him out.

xblade

Actually, I speak with her almost daily. We get along pretty well.

I respect honest cops. They’re among the best people there are. Unfortunately they are in the minority. Most cops aren’t noble, at best they’re just doing a job for the pay and the benefits. A significant number enjoy abusing authority. Because of the thin blue line, even the good cops tolerate a lot of bad cop behavior. That makes them complicit.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 3:13 AM

Nobody said you were alone in your insanity. There are plenty of crazy people in the world….you’re just one more.

xblade

More reasoned debate from the holster sniffer brigade.

If the cop was so right, why were the charges dropped?

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 3:15 AM

“rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 3:02 AM”

yeah, f the pigs.

/betcha have the 9 and the 1 removed from yer phone so ya can’t get a hold of them no matter what, huh?

//puke

Buckaroo on July 23, 2009 at 3:53 AM

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 3:15 AM

I haven’t seen you post on this site too much before this morning. After spending a few minutes desperately trying to see some positive aspect to your contributions I am ready to concede. Your methods for presenting your opinions are poorly structured and — at least those comments on this thread — could easily be considered offensive. What you lack in substantive argument you make up for in baselessness.

Tell me I’m all add hominy if you feel you must, but I think I would regret ever reading any comments you post here in the future. But then again, if your aim was simply to agitate perhaps you consider yourself successful. I doubt you would be able to persuade a reasoning reader with your MaD sKilZ.

Tom_OC on July 23, 2009 at 4:04 AM

The only part of this whole sequence that upset me was the fact that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES accused law enforcement officials of “acting stupidly”. Somehow, the President of the United States calling out law enforcement officials (or any public servant for that matter) with derogatory descriptions doesn’t seem very professional to me, much less Presidential.

And seriously, what was with his suggestion that Doctors make decisions based upon how much they could earn rather than by what’s best for the patient? Did he seriously just accuse Doctor’s of being shady opportunists?

So, in Obama’s America…Doctor’s are shady opportunists and Police Officers are stupid racists. Tack that on to that the greedy capitalist pigs on Wall Street, the EVIL rich people, and the scare-mongering opposition (i.e. Republicans/Blue Dog Dems/ANYONE who disagrees with him) and what we get is a President who considers poor, dependent minorities the REAL Americans.

LiquidH2O on July 23, 2009 at 4:14 AM

I mean “Doctors” without the apostrophe. Sorry.

LiquidH2O on July 23, 2009 at 5:18 AM

I live in a free country, not a police state.

rokemronnie on July 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM

wait until the Crap’n'trade compliance Gestapo gets a hold of you….

sven10077 on July 23, 2009 at 5:19 AM

To rokemronnie:

I think you were asked if you were a veteran because your childish disrespect for authority makes it obvious that you weren’t.

Being cynical and stupid will insure that you lead a mediocre life. Good luck with that…..

mojotrain on July 23, 2009 at 6:25 AM

Was this reporter called and told to ask a question about this when she will be called on?

THis whole setup and take down is too damn convenient.

This is a story telling that you usually only get from an uncle who has had a few cocktails at a family gathering style of story telling.

How many hours did barry stand infront of the mirror telling himself this story to get it just right?

Really can we stop plantiong questions and ugly liberal b!tches in the audience to ask them?

Nobody cares anymore that you are a fraud. Just stop with the phoney bullshit and just say hey now i want to say something about this or that that i have prepared.

BillaryMcBush on July 23, 2009 at 6:34 AM

Two days ago, I guessed that Obama would deflect attn from his HC problems by bringing up a racial issue. Bingo.

And what’s with the POTUS commenting on indiv. police arrests before all the facts are known and a court has reached a determination?

Obama is a racist pig. It’ll be interesting to see if the AA community still considers him their black messiah a few years from now.

JiangxiDad on July 23, 2009 at 6:36 AM

Yeah, dorkobama doesnt’ know all the facts, but he does know the police acted stupidly.
What a maroon.
I don’t believe Gates. He’s a racist looking for trouble.

SuperManGreenLantern on July 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM

The only part of this whole sequence that upset me was the fact that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES accused law enforcement officials of “acting stupidly”. Somehow, the President of the United States calling out law enforcement officials (or any public servant for that matter) with derogatory descriptions doesn’t seem very professional to me, much less Presidential

LiquidH2O on July 23, 2009 at 4:14 AM

+100 He just alienated good people that signed up to take a bullet to protect a citizen and ramped up the race baiting at the same time. He makes me ill.

Coastal Paradise on July 23, 2009 at 6:42 AM

For Obama to comment on a police matter he knows NOTHING about is an outrage. To automatically go to the race deal is also. He should of just said he didn’t know enough details of the case to comment.

Jeff from WI on July 23, 2009 at 6:42 AM

I am whiter then white and a few years ago I was working at my previous job where I wouldn’t get home until 10:45 pm. At that point I was working at a truck spring factory. My close would be really dirty/ratty due to the work. Well one time I got home and noticed a dog around my car. I was looking around the car to get to the dog. At one point my neighbor across the street asked what I was doing there. Once she saw it was me she appologized and said she thought I was some stranger that could have been up to know good. I told her thanks and that i was greatful that she was looking out for us.

DethMetalCookieMonst on July 23, 2009 at 6:52 AM

I’m curious to see what the threads are going to be today.

Obamacare: A Post-Mortem analysis of last night’s presser
The White Rabbit Answer
Read my Purple Lips: We need to get this passed now.

ted c on July 23, 2009 at 7:06 AM

Remember shortly after 9/11 when cops, firefighters, and emt’s were thought of with respect and admiration? We are now fully back to the pre-9/11 mindset. I’m amazed and grateful that Al Quaeda hasn’t capitalized on the weak leadership we are now “protected” by.

olesparkie on July 23, 2009 at 7:09 AM

I agree with him up until he starts talking about racial profiling and disproportionate stopping of blacks/latinos. I agree many, many have been stopped for no reason. But, perhaps if the black/latino communities would cease from committing the vast majority of crimes, the incidences of pulling over innocent minorities would go down. It sucks but it’s true, in part. Just sayin’

Mommypundit on July 23, 2009 at 7:12 AM

Hey Barack, it’s simple. Fix the issues with the private system. Oversight on price gouging, tort reform against ridiculous malpractice lawsuit abuse, and get it right. But you don’t want to get it right, do you? It’s all about Government control of our lives, for our own good, of course. No Barack, America is about Freedom, not Social Justice.

davecatbone on July 23, 2009 at 7:13 AM

Me thinks cops aren’t going to vote for this guy in 2012, and not because of his race.

DethMetalCookieMonst on July 23, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Did Obama have to take that question?

If the press conference was meant to be on healthcare, couldn’t Obama have said, firmly, “I would be happy to address that, Lynn, but this conference is on healthcare this evening. Next!”?

Oh, wait, but the conference was on healthcare and Obama was flailing and fading fast. He had Lynn Sweet there for insurance, so to speak, to help him throw in the race card with which to distract the public.

It was a highly irresponsible move both on Obama’s and Sweet’s part, both in regards to healthcare and to race. (Not to mention the fact that Obama validated Gates and we’ll probably have to be seeing more of his smarmy puss, probably even at the White House. Ugh).

This morning, I look forward to reading pieces by the undistracted. I really hope they’re out there.

misslizzi on July 23, 2009 at 7:23 AM

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