Open thread: Guy who “rescued” the economy going to “rescue” American health care too

posted at 7:21 pm on July 22, 2009 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline if Hot Air wasn’t a family site: “Let me be clear: The time has come to drive American health care into a f***ing ditch.” Only the press corps knows what’s in store for the Q&A but The One’s opening remarks will not disappoint. Evidently he’s going to go after Jim DeMint again for daring to suggest that this is all about him even though it is, in fact, and reportedly by his own admission, all about him. Plus this tasty morsel, which we’ll be feeding back to Barry for many, many years to come:

I have also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade – and I mean it.

We’ll have video lowlights later, especially if someone other than Tapper and Major Garrett surprises by asking a tough question. For your drinking-game amusement, I recommend a sip every time he says something that you know he’ll be insisting he never said a year from now. E.g., “But let me be clear: We have always acknowledged the possibility of grandma waiting six years for a hip transplant.” Enjoy.

Update (Ed): I won’t be live-blogging this, but I’ll Twitter my reactions. You can follow along here, if you’re not on Twitter:


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Do all Chicago crime bosses refer to it as “the kitty”?

boomer on July 22, 2009 at 11:32 PM

That’s a lock. All in.

MarkABinVA on July 22, 2009 at 11:34 PM

I took on line poll tonight 8o% gave Obama a thumbs down
The other 3 questions went that way too. WOW
He really had egg on his face tonight

iowagal on July 22, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Yeah, top that!!

GTR640 on July 22, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Glad Obama saved the economy.

“We are now in the early stages of a depression”:

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/sprott-its-real-economy-stupid.html

elduende on July 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM

This thread is fckig huge

blatantblue on July 22, 2009 at 11:10 PM

And I have read every word, just like Obama has read every word of the Obamacare bill.

Daggett on July 22, 2009 at 11:43 PM

GTR640 on July 22, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Bravo!

TN Mom on July 22, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Mark Levin mentioned earlier one thing that stuck with me. Obama said not one thing that supported health care professionals.

GovCare=Good
Patients=No Voice (except for his standard list of “victims”)
Special Interest Groups (AMA, AARP)=Good
Doctors and Nurses=No Voice

The man is a maniac.

MarkABinVA on July 22, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Yes, I’m sure Mr. Caring reads all those letters in-between rounds of golf, date nights in NYC and steak soirees on the veranda.

The White House gets millions of letters and emails every year, and Ogabe just happens to read the ones which lament the healthcare system? Pffft.

Bishop on July 22, 2009 at 11:47 PM

He said “they acted stupidly”.
myrenovations on July 22, 2009 at 9:48 PM

OK that is correct and I have been able to rewatch Obama’s response. There is a suble difference between acting stupid verses stupdity- but still not acceptable for a president/ex-lawyer to say when he doesn’t even have the facts of the case… which will never be heard because he, Deval and the Cambridge Mayor quickly squelched the issue of being arrest for his good friend.

Ahh well guess we are supposed to get used to that with Obama as …

wubu on July 22, 2009 at 11:48 PM

elduende on July 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Just think of what he’s gonna do for healthcare.

boomer on July 22, 2009 at 11:51 PM

People need to keep speaking out against this bill they are trying to pass. Although, they will demonize whoever stands before them and challenges their ideas, we must continue to fight. The louder we become the more we will grow in numbers.

DontTaseMeBro on July 22, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Just think of what he’s gonna do for healthcare.

boomer on July 22, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Gird your loins, after tonites debacle, if this socialist plan is forced on us it will be along party lines and by a slim majority. That means the mother of all constitutional crisis is a comin.

elduende on July 22, 2009 at 11:54 PM

NCIS all night. Got even the missed Ziva comes to NCIS show. My BP stayed even. ;)

Connie on July 22, 2009 at 11:55 PM

ObamaCare has already been put in the stimulus, so he MUST get it passed. GE is set to take over the medical records part, thats why they got $5Billion in TARP money?

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

TN Mom on July 22, 2009 at 11:56 PM

wubu on July 22, 2009 at 11:48 PM

I think that after the cops cut him a deal, thinking that was the end of it, Gates started mouthing off like the POS that he is. He has now his friend, Chief POS embarrass the police officer in a nationally televised speech. These two have set race relations back 30 years in two days. He has thrown a decorated police officer in the PC capital of the country under the bus. He is scum on the balls of a flea. I never felt hate for him, just pity, but tonight, I hate him.

tessa on July 22, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Wow. This is the biggest thread I’ve ever seen.

[That's what she said.]

LASue on July 23, 2009 at 12:00 AM

TN Mom on July 22, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Nice tidbit. These people are evil.

MarkABinVA on July 23, 2009 at 12:03 AM

If you need nightmares tonight, read this report on US debt (just five pages). I’m going to have a great night sleep stewing on that report. /sarc

WashJeff on July 23, 2009 at 12:05 AM

What he lied about, among many things, was the cost of people going to the ER who don’t have insurance. Who uses the ER as their own personal health clinic? Illegal aliens. Are we going to pay to insure them?

Blake on July 22, 2009 at 10:52 PM

The answer is yes, they will be covered in this bill with money taken from Medicare. It’s a great country now with the illegals getting free health care and the retirees being required to take their pain pills and die.

silvernana on July 23, 2009 at 12:07 AM

You know, even though they tossed him some incoherent softballs tonight, I think what the past few days have illustrated quite stunningly is what a pitiful excuse for a leader Obama is when the media isn’t deifying him 24 hours a day. They have started to actually report some news — the falling poll numbers, the democrat revolt in Congress, the costs of this bill, the failures of the “stimulus,” just the usual stuff one would expect a professional media to be reporting on about the federal government and the White House — but because it’s Obama, and he’s just so damn weak, he’s utterly collapsing in front of our eyes. They certainly aren’t piling on — like they did with GWB and Reagan — but with this tiny bit of scrutiny Obama is just falling apart. He really can’t handle the truth. His image of himself is so contrived — and clearly so fragile. Can you even imagine W or Reagan whining “You’re going to destroy my presidency”? It’s so juvenile, so pathetic, and yet it’s Obama’s reaction to the ordinary trials of leadership.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Wow. This is the biggest thread I’ve ever seen.

[That's what she said.]

LASue on July 23, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Yep, conservative and rational people are on decline. Backlash is coming, I just hope it is peaceful and popcorn worthy.

MarkABinVA on July 23, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Gird your loins, after tonites debacle, if this socialist plan is forced on us it will be along party lines and by a slim majority. That means the mother of all constitutional crisis is a comin.

elduende on July 22, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Well at least the GOP will have the benefit of knowing that it’ll be a fight worth waging because the public will be on their side.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:10 AM

So I didn’t bother to watch… did he actually say he had “rescued” the economy?

Caiwyn on July 23, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Nice tidbit. These people are evil.

MarkABinVA on July 23, 2009 at 12:03 AM

The devil came down from chicago
Looking for healthcare to steal,
He was in a bind ’cause he was way behind
And was willing to make any deal

TN Mom on July 23, 2009 at 12:18 AM

So I didn’t bother to watch… did he actually say he had “rescued” the economy?

Caiwyn on July 23, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Yup. A commenter on another site said someone should Photoshop him in a flight suit with a banner behind him saying “Economy Rescued!” behind it because that claim is gonna come back to haunt him. Pretty funny, I thought.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Well at least the GOP will have the benefit of knowing that it’ll be a fight worth waging because the public will be on their side.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:10 AM

yep. these thieves in Congress are now in a box. Do they destroy their careers, for the sake of Obama’s ego and Marxist agenda, or do they defeat Obama or give him a non victory (watered down bill) we can still hang around all their necks?

Either way Waterloo….

elduende on July 23, 2009 at 12:20 AM

ABC and CNN on their sites right now are leading with the Gates race story. Must change the narrative. Must change the narrative.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:26 AM

akay akay after midnite this really is the last call“`

jazzy this time~~~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAXb1gnxoAg&feature=related

phew I’m in Looooooooooooooooooooooooove!

did somebody say medicine?

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on July 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Yup. A commenter on another site said someone should Photoshop him in a flight suit with a banner behind him saying “Economy Rescued!” behind it because that claim is gonna come back to haunt him. Pretty funny, I thought.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Not EXACTLY what was expected, but appropriate. Barry puffing on a cancer stick with an Economy Rescued banner behind him. No flight-suit, though.

teke184 on July 23, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Mark Levin mentioned earlier one thing that stuck with me. Obama said not one thing that supported health care professionals.

MarkABinVA on July 22, 2009 at 11:47 PM

This is because he believes anyone in a position to make money at their chosen profession (other than lawyers) is suspect and most likely evil to boot. He can’t support what he doesn’t understand. His ego won’t let him.

Miss Molly on July 23, 2009 at 12:47 AM

I was shopping tonight – we still have an economy in Texas – it’s a beautiful thing! Apparently the only thing I missed were the thousands of great HA comments while that man in The White House was talking to a group of glossy-eyed “reporters” about how he can’t wait to spread more play-money around so that all Americans, and anyone else who happens to be here, can get really crappy medical care if they live long enough. Alrighty then.

redwhiteblue on July 23, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Gov Palin tweets:

Obama on health care today:did he suggest docs take action out of financial self interest vs upholding Hippocratic oath?This causes pause in
18 minutes ago from TwitterBerry

…AK w/Feds proposed takeover of healthcare;let Americans work w/the docs of our choice vs govt deciding things like our kids tonsillectomy
16 minutes ago from TwitterBerry

powerpro on July 23, 2009 at 12:55 AM

How about this symbol for Hot Air threads on this topic:

Waterloo

Christien on July 23, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Christien on July 23, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Nice

Fallen Sparrow on July 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Waterloo

Christien on July 23, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Love that! That helps me understand exactly what I missed tonight in one simple word. Thanks.

redwhiteblue on July 23, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Yay! The Astros swept the Cardinals!

Ok, did anything else interesting happen tonight?

rihar on July 23, 2009 at 1:20 AM

I know I’m late to this thread so maybe somebody has talked about this already. If so, my apologies.

When Obama was asked if he and members of Congress would be on the public plan he brushed it off by saying it’s not about him and that he has the best healthcare in the world.

Isn’t that the point, though? Many of us have good health insurance (something like 89% of people are satisfied with their current plan) and we don’t want to be forced onto the public plan.

The question is, are the President and members of Congress willing to give up their awesome health care plans and simply agree to go on the public option.

If they are not willing to put themselves onto a plan that many of us will be forced onto, then I say screw them. Take your public option and shove it. That would have been a good point for someone in the WH press corps to press with him.

JohnInCA on July 23, 2009 at 1:33 AM

jigger = jury rigged
jury rigged is also known as a racially inappropriate phrase I wont type b/c I don’t wannabe banned

Ris4victory on July 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM

I beleive the PC phrase for that now is, Afro-engineered.


I think, the damn rules keep changing in the victim/identity game.

Archimedes on July 22, 2009 at 10:14 PM

ted c on July 22, 2009 at 9:49 PM


Jigger please.

/too soon?

Ugly on July 22, 2009 at 9:50 PM

JIC Jigger in Chief….I didn’t want to get banned…

HornetSting on July 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM

And that’s just a sample.

No matter how much one dislikes Obama, this line of humor is deplorable. Try and spin it how you want, you’re taking a word that has a legitimate use and using it as a filter for what you really want to say. Just say the N word and get it over with. As easy as you’re guffawing about it here, I’m sure that sort of language flows freely from your lips at home.

Good night.

EarthToZoey on July 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM

OBAMASPEAK:

I have also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade – and I mean it.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION:

“I’m going to cut your health insurance bill by $100 and tax you $2000 to pay for my ‘health care reform’ bill…so that it doesn’t add to the FEDERAL deficit (I don’t care about the deficit in your personal bank account)”

The extra $1900 collected goes to pay czars, communist front organizations, voter fraud organizations, cushy make-work jobs for Friends of Obama, and other essential services.

landlines on July 23, 2009 at 1:53 AM

Receptionist: “Be a good Dear, and stand over there in that line……”

Seven Percent Solution on July 22, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Heart attack victim: So is that the line to see the Cardiologist?

Receptionist: No, dear. That is the line to see the person who decides if you get to see the regular Doctor who will decide if you can get in the other line to see the person who decides if the get to see the Cardiologist.

Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 1:53 AM

In the wise world of Obama, everyone is greedy; Automobile manufacturers, banks, Wall Street, big corporations, small corporations, insurance companies, and now doctors, and anyone associated with the medical field. The whole lot are diseased humans who need to be punished.
The GOOD people are the needy, the uninsured, the helpless poor who have been victimized. Oh, and yes, the complete population of the Muslim faith.

Any rebuttal?

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM

…he’s just so damn weak, he’s utterly collapsing in front of our eyes.

Rational Thought on July 23, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Hey…give the guy a chance…he’s only had a little less than a year of experience in public office (counting the 150 days Obama had his nameplate on a Senate desk)!!! This president thing is a lot tougher than running a lemonade stand!!!

Oh, wait: he has no experience at that either…

/SARC>

landlines on July 23, 2009 at 2:04 AM

Any rebuttal?

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM

Well there are some other good people too. Like the deserving couple who can go on a date to NYC courtesy of half a million from the undeserving tax payers and Al Gore who is entitled to tens of millions for helping to save the planet and the Royal Kennedy’s who are certainly entitled to have most of their massive and richly deserved wealth in sheltered accounts.

Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 2:08 AM

Here’s a queer thought: Maybe Rahl Emanual is truly a patriot, after all. (I am not kidding, thunder just struck as I typed this). But think about it. He has sent Obama out onto all kinds of venues since the beginning. EVERY SINGLE TIME, Obama has floundered and failed. He’s manaaged to make an epic, world-wide fool of himself, everytime. Does anyone think that it’s an accident?

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 2:38 AM

He’s truly unique. How could one person insult so many people, so many institutions, in such a short, breathtaking amount of time? You’ve got to give him that. He’s singular in this regard.

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 2:55 AM

It’s sad to cringe when I hear the word HOPE, now. You’ve got to be a really evil bastard to ruin that word.

texaninfidel on July 23, 2009 at 3:03 AM

I don’t know how anyone who cares at all for individual liberty could defend a massive government program that is not designed to fix health care problems but designed to filch more power and control to an already too powerful central government.

I believe the bill in congress has more words than the old and new testaments of the Bible.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)

Joe Bloggs on July 23, 2009 at 4:12 AM

I’d rather see a President destroyed than a country. I can get another president.

ted c on July 23, 2009 at 7:11 AM

I’m listening to Axelrod right now… and his performance is downright embarrassing… LOL

D2Boston on July 23, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Good Lord! Even his bestest buddies at MSNBC realize how badly Obama blew it last night. If this is the kindest treatment he’s going to get, he just managed to put drive a stake in the heart of healthcare reform. Of course, Dracula always seemed to come back from that; so will this monster.

michaelo on July 23, 2009 at 7:41 AM

Demand that the Govt. fix medicare, medicaid, and the VA HEALTH CARE SYSTEM first!

JohnD9207 on July 22, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Good point. Taking great care of our seniors and our veterans should be a national priority. Plus, it’s Big Government’s opportunity to convince the nation that they can run a health care system efficiently and effectively.

Red State State of Mind on July 23, 2009 at 7:47 AM

michaelo on July 23, 2009 at 7:41 AM

just saw chuck todd, he was spinning for the big O….have to change the channel when axelrod comes on….

cmsinaz on July 23, 2009 at 7:50 AM

I’m listening to Axelrod right now… and his performance is downright embarrassing… LOL

D2Boston on July 23, 2009 at 7:35 AM

It must be tough working for the filthy liar and having to come on television after a trainwreck of a press conference and proclaim that the filthy liar hit it out of the ballpark when the reality is that he struck out.

highhopes on July 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM

it’s Big Government’s opportunity to convince the nation that they can run a health care system efficiently and effectively.

Red State State of Mind on July 23, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Best question of the morning- How can adding government to the mix make healthcare cheaper?

highhopes on July 23, 2009 at 8:01 AM

This reminds me of a famous Reagan quote:

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

powerpro on July 23, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Has the Obamacare postmortem examination begun yet?

Is Obamacare shovel-ready yet…?

ted c on July 23, 2009 at 8:21 AM

After the wisbang presser by der leader, I wonder if San Fran Nan still has the votes??

Dire Straits on July 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Empty suit with pretty words.
He speaks of leadership and does not even know what it is.
He should have, at least, managed a dry cleaning store, for a month or so before going on to become POTUS.
I’m in awe of the stupidity of the millions in this country who look for a rock star, when we need leadership.

bridgetown on July 23, 2009 at 8:38 AM

communication skills are only a singular aspect of leadership.

ted c on July 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Glad Obama saved the economy.

“We are now in the early stages of a depression”:

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/sprott-its-real-economy-stupid.html

elduende on July 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Thanks. I hope Rush L understands the trouble that’s been brewing the last couple of years. He’s denied anything like this was ever going to happen, only now is he opening to the reality of what’s about to occur. He’s been very misleading on this. Glenn’s been the only realist on this issue.

Again, I must stress, this is a manufactured depression. This is what central banks do. Yes, a memo does go out to all the members of the banking mafia about when to stop lending, and when to recall loans, etc. This creates a shortage of credit and it’s consequent effects.

There is a memo that’s a matter of Congressional record, a pol read it to enter it into the record, and the memo is clear as to the bankers intent. It’s old, early 20th century, but the banks consistently do this throughout the world. It’s how they consolidate real assets. The love of money. I’m going to try and find that memo. I’m pissed I didn’t save it to file.

True_King on July 23, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Not to worry about the cost. Obama etal will play a shell game with funding. Many, many cuts to defense, medicare, etc to pay for fiasco.

eaglesdontflock on July 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM

time to stop blaming bush, the stimulus package was his brain child and it is failing. Are we then going to blame bush for healthcare. He needs to blame the Kennedy Kassebaum bill, that ruined medicare.

They never fixed the banks and their lending, so why would anyone believe they can fix a hospital.

workingforpigs on July 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM

See only one bright light for Government Run Healthcare.
The anti-abortion cause:

By the time it will take to make it through all the government “hoops” required to obtain permission to have an abortion, the child will probably be in college.

hillbilly on July 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Obama = big hat, no cattle.

JetBlast on July 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I’d rather see a President destroyed than a country. I can get another president.

ted c on July 23, 2009 at 7:11 AM

Well said.

redwhiteblue on July 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM

betsyz on July 23, 2009 at 2:38 AM

No. I think it was the middle of the night when you had this thought, and you were confused. Rahm Emanuel is evil. Very.

redwhiteblue on July 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM

I can’t take this guy anymore.

Just hearing Obama stutter his way through his lies and misinformation infuriates me to no end.

SHUT UP! JUST SHUT UP ALREADY!

Yakko77 on July 23, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Repeal the Kennedy Kassebaum Bill that was passed and ruined Medicare and everything will turn back to normal, healthcare will return to affordable…

workingforpigs on July 24, 2009 at 10:31 AM

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