Video: Let them eat painkillers

posted at 4:00 pm on July 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

This Marie Antoinette moment took place a month ago, and Karl mentioned it in a post at the time, but the video is definitely worth a revisit. Jane Sturm told Barack Obama that her mother had needed a pacemaker implanted at 100 years of age, but got denied by the first doctor she saw. She found a doctor who would do the surgery, impressed by her spirit. When Sturm asked Obama if her mother would have received a pacemaker under ObamaCare … well, watch for yourself:

Jane Sturm told the story of her nearly 100-year-old mother, who was originally denied a pacemaker because of her age. She eventually got one, but only after seeking out another doctor.

“Outside the medical criteria,” Sturm asked, “is there a consideration that can be given for a certain spirit … and quality of life?”

“I don’t think that we can make judgments based on peoples’ spirit,” Obama said. … “Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers.

This shows why politicians shouldn’t decide on medical treatments. Dr. Helen Smith, who herself had the same kind of heart problems at a very young age, explains why Obama’s course of treatment would have led to, er, cost savings:

Some heart arrhythmias are deadly, and a doctor telling a patient to take a pain killer to treat V-tach or V-fib should be guilty of malpractice. …

Heart arrhythmias can be absolutely terrifying leading to panic attacks and/or fatigue so crippling that one cannot get off the couch. A pain killer is not going to help. But maybe that’s the idea. Obama is so determined to get his health care plan passed–no matter what the consequences– that he doesn’t care how or if people suffer, especially older people.

Is Obama heartless, mean or just plain ignorant? His response to Jane Sturm leaves me wondering which.

No more heartlesss, mean, or ignorant than the bureaucrats who will eventually make these decisions under ObamaCare, using their pocket Comparative Effectiveness ChartsTM.

Update: The video above was edited for a radio broadcast; the full video is here:

This doesn’t change the criticism above at all. Obama still says that government will tell doctors that Sturm’s mother may not get the pacemaker but be told to take a pill. And although Obama says that “ultimately, that decision will be between doctors and patients” at the end of this video, he’s making it clear that it won’t be at all, but will be decided by a government official who will judge whether or not to pay for a procedure based on its effectiveness. And Sturm’s mother still wouldn’t have been helped by a painkiller.


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This reminds me of “Don’t Pay the Ferryman” by Chris Deburgh in the ’80s…

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM

“Don’t fear the reaper”?

drjohn on July 21, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers.“
Yeah, and if you take enough of them, well, heck, that’s two problems solved.

drjohn on July 21, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Obama must have been inspired by Michael Jackson. If you need a pacemaker, just Beat It.

Steve Z on July 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM

tehd: Former mom of a critically ill child and also a health care worker.

oops, this needs fixed. (makes it sound as if my kid died)..nope, I won the battle with the voice on the other end of the phone that was in a city 400 miles away; and got my kid transferred to the hospital that was able to treat him.

tehd: Mom of formerly critically ill child; and also a health care worker

tehd on July 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM

even better dr john

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Shut up and take your Soma!

bitsy on July 21, 2009 at 5:43 PM

I wonder, does the Messi-uh have a medical degree hidden with his birth certificate, law school grades, and Doctorate Thesis?

Saltyron on July 21, 2009 at 5:51 PM

“Take two aspirin and call me in three months.”

Blacklake on July 21, 2009 at 5:55 PM

i don’t think you will be able to get painkillers under the new plan.

unless you are an illegal immigrant .

kelley in virginia on July 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM

“Die, ‘waste*,’ die!!!” –Obama
.
*Note: waste = yo’ mama

Glenn Jericho on July 21, 2009 at 6:01 PM

From Henry Carey -

“Ezekiel Emanuel, the top healthcare adviser at Obama’s Budget Office and brother of his chief of staff, believes it is “obvious” that people with Alzheimer’s or other forms of dementia (estimated as one of three people who live beyond the age of 65) should be denied health-care, since they are “irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.” An essay published in the Hastings Center Report (Nov-Dec 1996) by Emanuel, Norman Daniels and Bruce Jennings, says in part:

“This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity – those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberation – are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

Documentation: Obamacare = Nazi T-4 Program “

KentAllard on July 21, 2009 at 6:03 PM

STOP THE ENTITLEMENTS. If you can’t afford it, you don’t get treated. Sorry, but that’s the way it is. No pay. No pacemaker at 100. If you CAN pay, you should be able to get a pacemaker at 120. Audit people and seize their property and money to satisfy thier uninsured treatment.

marklmail on July 21, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I just returned from a visit with our orthodontist. Both teenagers now have wisdom teeth that need to come out within one year. We would like to take our time making this expensive and personal decision. It gets tricky with insurance concerning whether it’s dental or medical, and we may have to pay out of pocket for much of the surgery because we want to use an oral surgeon we trust. But what made my heart sink was when I realized that the Marxist is forcing our family to make this decision quickly out of our fear for what he might do. Cold, evil, Marxist!

redwhiteblue on July 21, 2009 at 6:18 PM

His response should have been enough to cause riots in the streets. I can’t believe whats happening to the American people.

pageram on July 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Wouldn’t you just love to get in a boxing ring with this chump? Hey Barack, how about you and Michelle agree to YOUR family on the public option? You assh*les.

marklmail on July 21, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers.“
Yeah, and if you take enough of them, well, heck, that’s two problems solved.

drjohn on July 21, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Obama must have been inspired by Michael Jackson. If you need a pacemaker, just Beat It.

Steve Z on July 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Oooooooo!

maverick muse on July 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Wouldn’t you just love to get in a boxing ring with this chump? Hey Barack, how about you and Michelle agree to YOUR family on the public option? You assh*les.

marklmail on July 21, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Peons you will not dare sully the name of Barack T. Ogabe…..

the T stands for tW*t

sven10077 on July 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM

An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.

KentAllard on July 21, 2009 at 6:03 PM

That’s the most damning thing to admit what America is becoming under Obama’s administration.

Biblically, Sodom and Gomorrah were well past delinquent behavioral studies. God seemed to endure their existence in sexual perversion until in their corruption they denied humanity for the indigent elderly, widows and orphans. Lack of charity seems to relegate your own course for self destruction. They were already scheduled for ash when they demanded delivery of heaven’s messengers for sexual abuse.

maverick muse on July 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM

sven

I thought it stood for Throckmorton…

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM

STOP THE ENTITLEMENTS. If you can’t afford it, you don’t get treated. Sorry, but that’s the way it is. No pay. No pacemaker at 100. If you CAN pay, you should be able to get a pacemaker at 120. Audit people and seize their property and money to satisfy thier uninsured treatment.

Thank you sir!!

End the most massive wealth transfer ever to those who have the most. I remember a year or so ago seeing a story on drudge basically stating that in the budget for 2008 $1 out of every $3 the federal government spent was on someone over 55. Who is the wealthiest demographic by age? Should be pretty easy to guess. Its time to end the rape of youth by the AARP constituency.

burnitup on July 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM

sven

I thought it stood for Throckmorton…

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM

heh….

That’s the most damning thing to admit what America is becoming under Obama’s administration.

Biblically, Sodom and Gomorrah were well past delinquent behavioral studies. God seemed to endure their existence in sexual perversion until in their corruption they denied humanity for the indigent elderly, widows and orphans. Lack of charity seems to relegate your own course for self destruction. They were already scheduled for ash when they demanded delivery of heaven’s messengers for sexual abuse.

maverick muse on July 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM

God has plans for America…I suspect he will use our fall from grace as a character lesson.

sven10077 on July 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Anyone seen Logan’s Run?

LibTired on July 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I have to take a painkiller just to listen to this A-hole.

JohnInCA on July 21, 2009 at 5:37 PM

I need a good gulp of scotch, but to each is own.

jbh45 on July 21, 2009 at 6:57 PM

I need a good gulp of scotch, but to each is own.

jbh45 on July 21, 2009 at 6:57 PM

No officer I wasn’t bludgeoning him I was engaged in “medicinal application of blunt pain relief”…….

sven10077 on July 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Every time he opens his mouth, I am shocked. I’m left wondering whether one day we’ll see “Obama lied and Grammy died” t-shirts on children.

Has it occurred to anyone but me that he’s still so angry (because he’s all about emotion, you know) at the situation surrounding his mother’s death (debt, poor service, no extraordinary measures) that he’s just itching to knock off a few of ours?

gopmom on July 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

The notion of health care rationing makes me nervous… but a pacemaker at 100 years of age? I can see the argument that perhaps it’s not the best use of Medicare dollars to authorize such an expensive procedure for someone who’s already on death’s doorstep.

Hollowpoint on July 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

i thought most african americans enjoyed the red kool aid?

Ghoul aid on July 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Personally I prefer the chitlin-flavored one.

baldilocks on July 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Every time a medical procedure is attempted on an at-risk patient, there is much to be learned, and when the patient survives and thrives after that procedure much is further gained in medical understanding.

A pace-maker on a 95 year-old? Sure. If that is their choice. Have been around long enough to know a world where there were no pacemakers, and a lot of other medical wonders, and people died from the smallest ailments, too, and larger ailments now considered truly old-fashioned. Visited a childhood friend in an iron-lung when I was five.

Steven Hawking would have been written off under Obamacare, and and at a fairly young age, as he was when he contracted Lou Gehrig’s disease. The science around Hawking’s “communications” suite has applications all across the spectrum of incapacitated individuals. And added to understanding of ALS, perhaps adding toward cures or better treatments at an earlier age…all of it costly, still.

If medicine only concentrated on prefect specimens, only treated those who were healthy, we’d still be using the texts of Herophilus of Chalcedon in guiding our medical treatments.

But, along the lines of the infamous T-4 Program, only the perfect are to be allowed to live…anyone less than perfect, well, will be killed in vivo or whenever the state demanded.

All that wonderful pro-choice stuff…based on the accepted philosophy of Margaret Sanger was designed to control the populations of “brown people” and was nothing less than a eugenics program.

But, by Obama’s own words, he sees nothing at all with the State deciding who shall live and who shall die for no other offense than being ill, or unborn, or elderly…in other words…not perfect.

coldwarrior on July 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Would Christopher Reeve have been able to continue his life under Obamacare?

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Perfect T-shirt or bumper sticker there, ted.

coldwarrior on July 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

He engaged in risky behavior….horse jumping…?

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:30 PM

He was fully dependent on tracheostomies, nursing care, wheelchairs, therapy…

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM

He could no longer act, produce, function in society….

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM

he banked on research, innovation, ideas… to help his condition..

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

would he have gotten all of that specialized and intensive care—EVEN THOUGH— he could’ve just taken the painkilller

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

What would Christopher Reeve think?

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

We all know it was Gold Kryptonite that did him in.

coldwarrior on July 21, 2009 at 7:36 PM

“Maybe you’re we are better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers

RobCon on July 21, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I’m pretty surprised to see Ed post such a blatantly edited video on this site. Here’s what actually happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8PXAt8HEY

The exchange with the lady with the mother who got the pacemaker starts at around 3:40. It edits out some err…. very important details. The first is the obvious: Obama was talking hypothetically about medical suggestions (He specifies specifically that it should be up to the patient and the doctor as he obviously is not an expert) but most importantly, it edits out the final exchange between Obama where she talks about how they needed Medicare to pay for the surgery (Around 7:50), in other words (Dun dun dun!)SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! In other words, should Ed and the rest of you have your way this woman would’ve had no option whatsoever to get the pacemaker and would’ve died instead. “Let them eat cake” indeed.

I don’t think Ed knew what he was getting into when he posted this video but he really should’ve known better as there was very clearly a weird cut made before the part about the pills and then it abruptly stops after he says the line. He should’ve known better, if this wasn’t a fabrication do you really think it would take this long for it to become a big deal? It was on national television, albeit with poor ratings.

Typhonsentra on July 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

in other words (Dun dun dun!)SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! In other words, should Ed and the rest of you have your way this woman would’ve had no option whatsoever to get the pacemaker and would’ve died instead. “Let them eat cake” indeed.

maybe if *we* had our way, she wouldn’t have needed you and me and her neighbors to pay for it…she would have had the money herself!!! if could have saved her OWN money, instead of having to give it away to other older people in the ponzi schemes known as Social Security and Medicare…

moron.

right4life on July 21, 2009 at 8:16 PM

I was just voicing a viewpoint that TONS of doctors and nurses have about family not willing to let a very sick older person go. I’ve heard it from them time and time again. I’m not advocating euthanasia. I was just highlighting an opposing viewpoint on how many people feel. I know it’s terribly difficult when facing losing a loved one, but it seems some people refuse to let them go for their own selfish reasons…subjecting their older loved ones to more invasive tests and surgeries they don’t want. Just another viewpoint. I know those aren’t common here at HA, but some people here need to step away from the caffeine for a while.

dcwvu on July 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

You know being a wise Latino with rich life experiences and a prolife extremist at that…against all the principles I have….I would have paid the $75 to abort him, wherever he was born.

bigtexmex on July 21, 2009 at 8:28 PM

JohnIN Ca: LOL…I am with you!

Babyhugger on July 21, 2009 at 8:36 PM

I cannot believe this man is actually the President of the United States. I thought the whole “Need surgery? Just take an aspirin!” criticism was a joke from those opposed to socialized medicine. Apparently, the joke is on us.

What is wrong with this man? Would he tell his wife not to get a second opinon but just take a painkiller? Or his daughters?

This is the way Communism and Marxism works. It takes God completely out of the picture, enter eugenics and evolution, devalues human frailty, the elderly, the unborn, children and special needs, and creates an small elitist population and “equality” for everyone else. Meaning, the equal treatment meant for everyone is only forced on those who have the unfortunate luck to be a regular citizen while the politians/elitists maintain a high quality of life.

What I don’t understand is why Obama is doing this. I used to think he was terribly misguided and morally skewed, but that he was basically a decent guy. Why would he force this kind of health care that we don’t want on us, and why would he lie about it?

I guess it’s because he places his theories above human life and love of country.

We tried to warn people during the presidential election season but they wouldn’t listen.

Amy Proctor on July 21, 2009 at 9:39 PM

These progressive ghouls must be destroyed.

Rae on July 21, 2009 at 9:51 PM

What I don’t understand is why Obama is doing this. I used to think he was terribly misguided and morally skewed, but that he was basically a decent guy. Why would he force this kind of health care that we don’t want on us, and why would he lie about it?

Amy Proctor on July 21, 2009 at 9:39 PM

1.5 million new union members.

This whole thing is simply payback to the SEIU for stealing the Democratic nomination for Obama.

rockmom on July 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Would Christopher Reeve have been able to continue his life under Obamacare?

ted c on July 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Would an even more significant individual such as Dr. Stephen Hawkins??

doriangrey on July 21, 2009 at 10:29 PM

What’s the big deal about a pacemaker? They are routine. Why not just make people put a deposit on them and then when they return them in good condition, they or their families get the deposit back?

bloggless on July 21, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Yes, because he would qualify as an elite, he would be under the other plan. You know, seperate but equal.

bloggless on July 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM

The exchange with the lady with the mother who got the pacemaker starts at around 3:40. It edits out some err…. very important details. The first is the obvious: Obama was talking hypothetically about medical suggestions (He specifies specifically that it should be up to the patient and the doctor as he obviously is not an expert) but most importantly, it edits out the final exchange between Obama where she talks about how they needed Medicare to pay for the surgery (Around 7:50), in other words (Dun dun dun!)SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! In other words, should Ed and the rest of you have your way this woman would’ve had no option whatsoever to get the pacemaker and would’ve died instead. “Let them eat cake” indeed.

The government makes her be on medicare. A pacemaker is very routine and not a big deal. The alternative is that she most likely would have passed out, fallen and broken a hip. Even if Obamacare would not repair the hip fracture, it would take a while for her to die, racking up huge medical bills. The cheaper route is the pacemaker.

bloggless on July 21, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Why are we not marching in the streets? Why are we going to let a few hundred people (House and Senate) take our country down a dreadful path? Why are we standing by and allowing them to decide who gets medical treatment (when/if)? They will ultimately decide who dies and who lives! Why are we letting a relative few have such control over so many when we’re talking life and death? Kinda sounds like Nazi’s to me!!! What are we allowing to happen to us?

I want someone up there (somewhere) with a bullhorn screaming “not on my watch!”

We’re not talking the takeover of GM or the banking system! We are talking life and death. I’m talking about the care of my parents and my children. So help me God, if some bureaucrat gets in the way of their health care, I’m going to kick some ass.

I listened to Hannity today and a young lady called in from FL. She’s originally from Ontario. She said the healthcare is horrible. She said she took care of her Dad while he died. They put him on morphine and that’s it. Further, she said she talked to a friend recently and this friend (a girl) tried to get into the doctor because she found out she’s pregnant and they told her they could see her in 10-12 months!!!!! WTF!

Folks, we must melt the phones tomorrow!!! Emailing is great. I do it all the time, but we must call and fax too. We have to make as much noise as possible. Contact all your senators and congressmen because we can leave nothing or no one to chance.

Oink on July 21, 2009 at 10:35 PM

“…but don’t expect us to pay for the painkillers.”

Grafted on July 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM

The war on drugs already has Nazis brown shirts visiting Doctors and treating jail if they over subscribe pain killers.
Patients are suffering because they are under medicated. Many people have chronic pain, but instead of going to a higher level of pain killer, such as Morphine, instead stay on less effective but at higher doses such as Tramiadol.

Ed Laskie on July 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM

I was just voicing a viewpoint that TONS of doctors and nurses have about family not willing to let a very sick older person go. I’ve heard it from them time and time again. I’m not advocating euthanasia. I was just highlighting an opposing viewpoint on how many people feel. I know it’s terribly difficult when facing losing a loved one, but it seems some people refuse to let them go for their own selfish reasons…subjecting their older loved ones to more invasive tests and surgeries they don’t want. Just another viewpoint. I know those aren’t common here at HA, but some people here need to step away from the caffeine for a while.

dcwvu on July 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

When you said “just another viewpoint” – THAT is the problem. My health care, and that of my family, is not the business of strangers, tons of doctors/nurses, and especially FROM THE GOVERNMENT! My fear is that the government deciders of allowable health care choices would include people with the same attitude of

it seems some people refuse to let them go for their own selfish reasons…

It often takes years to establish a trusting relationship between a physician and patient. I am comforted in knowing that the physicians our family has known and trusted for years will be there to help us make difficult decisions without the infringement of outside viewpoints. Your intent might only be to voice your viewpoint, but do really want to live in a country that does not allow you to make your own health care decisions?

redwhiteblue on July 22, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Oh, and do you really want to live in a country that robs it’s citizens to pay for this junk-load of nonsense that will completely diminish the health of every single citizen?

redwhiteblue on July 22, 2009 at 1:46 AM

I am still trying to figure out where they came up with this 45 million uninsured?

I cannot find anywhere the number of insured. Such figures do not exist. Thus, the number of uninsured is nothing but a guess…or a number made up out of whole cloth.

Does this figure include the nearly 20 million illegals?

Does this figure include those who choose not to obtain insurance?

And, why the mad rush to get this Bill passed and signed into law in the next couple weeks?

If it is that important, wouldn’t prudence dictate that every “i” be properly dotted, and every “t” properly crossed first?

coldwarrior on July 22, 2009 at 2:02 AM

I have to take a painkiller just to listen to this A-hole.

JohnInCA on July 21, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Ta Da!!!

JohnInCA,

That is funny!

Thanks for the laugh!

What do you call an underwhelming, over sold, out-of-his-league, drowning in the kiddie pool, former radical community organizer who did not work while elected to the Senate but chose to campaign for another job – that of the President of the United States of America instead, but was considered more experienced and more qualified to become President of the United States than a certain vice presidential candidate who had more executive experience, as Mayor, as Governor, etc., than this Presidential Candidate?

The Messiah. The Savior of Mankind. The Lord of the Universe. Mister Hope and Change. Mister “Yes, We can!” “The One.”

Yes, we can also call Him “Barrack Hussein Obama” (Peace be unto Him. Praise His Holy Name. Prostrations and Salutations unto Him. Surrender to Him at all times with every thought, word, and deed. Give Him your burdends and He will give you Peace. Lay your troubles at His feet and He will Save you and bring Joy to your heart! Call upon Him with Love, Devotion, and Humility, and he will answer your call! He is the Great Healer who will save the Earth!) for He is Great, and His Radiance Shines brighter than a thousand suns.

He walks on water, raise the dead, heals the sick, and saves the souls of all who worship Him.

Hail our Savior and Master!

Hail Barrack Hussein Obama!

William2006 on July 22, 2009 at 2:18 AM

This is the only campaign video we will need in 2012.

Cylor on July 22, 2009 at 4:09 AM

What is getting frustrating to no end is how Republican politicians keep belaboring the *costs* of these programs, as if that’s the only or even primary concern.

It’s not. The main concern is how *immoral* these programs are. The main concern is how they make citizens’ bodies subject to jurisdiction by the State — and how this is morally repugnant, the antithesis of a free society. Those who want to keep the public-only option at bay sacrifice this point at their peril.

I suppose (though I’m speculating) that some folks on Capitol Hill think they’re being real clever, making elegant arguments based on the numbers alone, figuring that, if they can only demonstrateprove the bills are too expensive, they will carry the day without having to resort to the trickier, more complex and time-consuming arguments about the immorality and civil rights negation at the heart of these schemes.

Well, I’ve got news for ‘em. Unfortunately, right & wrong trump cost and expediency any day of the week. If something is the *right* idea, then to many folks it doesn’t matter *how* much it costs, the nation will *find* a way to pay for it, *somehow*. (In fact I’ve been in this camp on occasion… ;)

Thus, the moral question matters. Cost alone is not going to be a long-term deterrent.

And the problem with much of the opposition is that, by failing to make the moral issue the centerpiece of their campaign, and by failing in many cases to even make moral arguments, they cede the moral ground to the Democrats by default. By making cost the [primary] issue, they say in effect, we have no dispute with your claims that your motivations are nobler than ours (or that the outcomes under your plan would be more just than ours, given the proper funding), it’s just that we can’t afford your nobility (and justness) right now, due to X Y and Z…

That is wrong, wrong, wrong.

So is merely pointing out the uncomfortable consequences, such as bureaucrats making health decisions, blocking access, etc., but failing to argue that such consequences are immoral. Many folks are apt to recognize this deep down on their own, but having no one to rally behind that demonstrates this conviction openly and articulately is the surest way to eventual defeat, IMHO.

(Karl, does this argument sound familiar, like something you pointed out once on a thread some months ago?)

RD on July 22, 2009 at 7:19 AM

No mention of how much money we, the United States could have saved if:
1) $770+ billion stimulus was fully vetted
2) Half a billion dollar omnibus spending bill was fully vetted and
3) Had the media not created this trash out of whole cloth to be our leader.

On items one and two, he never once flinched about the aspect of spending us into third world status but of course when it comes to dictating what medical procedures will be funded well that’s a different story.

larvcom on July 22, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Anyone seen Logan’s Run?

LibTired on July 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Yes I have many times and it’s frightening how close to that scenario we really are. It’s not the small city on the edge of the ocean possibility but the absolute power of a computer like entity that struggles in the attempt to silence ideas that are contrary to the “collective good” such as growing old.

larvcom on July 22, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Too bad Marie didn’t have black skin and live in the US in post modern times. She could have claimed to be democrat and been elected president.

Hening on July 22, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Someone needs to ask him what would happen if his mother in law needed a pacemaker at 100…is he going to give her a pill?

becki51758 on July 22, 2009 at 8:49 AM

The notion of health care rationing makes me nervous… but a pacemaker at 100 years of age? I can see the argument that perhaps it’s not the best use of Medicare dollars to authorize such an expensive procedure for someone who’s already on death’s doorstep.

Hollowpoint on July 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Yep. It really freaks me out to see conservatives embracing infinite government spending on medical care for medicare recipients. When did conservatives suddenly become the group that wants the government to provide for all our wants and needs?

If you want your 100 year old mother to have risky and expensive surgery, you should pay for it yourself….it’s not the government’s job to care for your elderly parents.

funky chicken on July 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM

He is not going to solve any problem, he is going to only make them worse.

MSGTAS on July 22, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Has Obama demanded that his friend Ted Kennedy stop wasting millions of healthcare dollars in a selfish attempt to try to stay alive for a year or so? Isn’t this exactly the type of thing that Obama and Kennedy are advocating against?
I say, NO MORE TREAMENT FOR KENNEDY. It’s time to give him a bottle of pills and send him home. Right?

exceller on July 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM

What is the purpose of the primetime press conference again? I bet Obama is PISSED that the GOP and some D’s threw a rotten egg on his face.

Girding my loins here.

James on July 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM

The entire House and Senate must be on those painkillers. I know I am, but the public plan is once the pain level peaks, remove the painkiller.

lasertex on July 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM

This needs to get in a TV spot.

golfballs03 on July 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Let the dying fetus have the pacemaker.

lasertex on July 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM

dcwvu on July 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Doctors and nurses may have an opinion about whether a treatment option is likely to be beneficial, but the decision is ultimately up to the patient and family. The best Docs, etc. work with patients and families, make sure they understand the risks and benefits, and help them make the decision that is congruent with their values and choices.

I’ll say it again- Not a choice I want driven by govt. officials poring over budget charts.

cs89 on July 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM

God forbid we, as individuals, make our own decisions for ourselves.

Surely we can trust Obama’s technocrats to look out for our best interest, for the good of the collective.

rogersnowden on July 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Even the Dems hate it. Scrap IT! America is Great, lets keep it that way! 2010 hurry!!!!

johnnyU on July 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Am still laughing over the teleprompter breaking. LOL. Had to be Abes Ghost LOL

johnnyU on July 22, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Hmmmmm…. painkillers huh Mr. President. Could we tell your typical white grandmother that? Seems that one recalls that she had cancer. At what point did the value of her life fall below the “systems” willingness to pay for it–and she was given “painkillers?” Is there a point beyond which her value fell below that even to warrant painkillers–hence would use no more.

We Americans are PEOPLE, we are INDIVIDUALS and we have inherent VALUE. We are AMERICAN CITIZENS—we are NOT AMERICAN LINE ITEMS, something to be simply as a cost, a bill, something to be cut–except when you need a vote.

I am frankly offended at the insinuation that Dr. Frankenstein Obama would suggest that he could ever oversimplify the decision making involved in the care of human beings to merely a dollar figure. As a healthcare provider, this dehumanizing and devaluation of life is a danger to the health and welfare of all Americans, particularly the most vulnerable–elderly, children and the chronically ill or handicapped.

To reflect on GEN Norman Schwarzkopf’s assessment of Saddam Hussein as a war leader during Operation Desert Storm he quipped, “As far as Saddam Hussein being a great military strategist, he is neither a
strategist, nor is he schooled in the operational art, nor is he a tactician, nor is he a general, nor is he a soldier. Other than that he’s a great military man-I want you to know that.”

Well, “As far as President Obama being a great healthcare leader, he is neither a physician, nor is he schooled in the healing arts, nor is he skilled as an administrator, nor is he an ancillary health provider, nor is he a nurse. Other than that he’s a great healthcare guy–I want you to know that.”

ted c on July 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Has Obama demanded that his friend Ted Kennedy stop wasting millions of healthcare dollars in a selfish attempt to try to stay alive for a year or so? Isn’t this exactly the type of thing that Obama and Kennedy are advocating against?
I say, NO MORE TREAMENT FOR KENNEDY. It’s time to give him a bottle of pills and send him home. Right?

exceller on July 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM

If Kennedy is paying out of pocket for his care, he can have as much as can afford. I don’t like Kennedy, but …

Now, if we taxpayers are paying for his care, that’s another story. Since Kennedy is such a liberal, I’d bet we are paying.

funky chicken on July 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM

The notion of health care rationing makes me nervous… but a pacemaker at 100 years of age? I can see the argument that perhaps it’s not the best use of Medicare dollars to authorize such an expensive procedure for someone who’s already on death’s doorstep.

Hollowpoint on July 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

So Ted Kennedy should just get a wad of painkillers instead of cancer care, right? I mean, his condition is terminal, so what’s he waitin’ for? He loves this idea of Health Control, so he should man up and be it’s first victim for “the cause”.

gordo on July 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Goldwater had these Socialist ghouls pegged. Democrats don’t take into account the whole man. To them, all an individual represents is an economic unit (and a vote at election time).

Rae on July 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Its funny how Hillary and Maculski both broke bones recently as health reform support looms. Think someones trying to tell them something. LEAVE IT ALONE or the bone breaks will continue!

johnnyU on July 22, 2009 at 4:06 PM

I’d bet Shillary’s supposed broken bone was a ruse; she was probably having a nervous breakdown and her handlers had to come up with a plausible reason for her disappearance for a couple a’ weeks. tee

Ris4victory on July 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM

At last, pop-a-pill “do as I do” Obama.

maverick muse on July 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Insurance industry exceeds pragmatism, no matter WHO runs it.

maverick muse on July 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM

He seems rather comfortable diagnosing and prescribing treatment for Sturm’s Mom. What can’t he do?

ronsfi on July 22, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Please forgive if previously posted….
a caller to the talk show I was listening to (which? sorry.. listen to MANY)….
explained that her friend who lives in Canada found out she was 2 mos pregnant, called for an app’t with an OB, and was told she could be seen in 10-12 months.
The caller swore it was truth.
sigh

pambi on July 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM

President Dumbo is just dumb.

bayview on July 22, 2009 at 5:53 PM

I have to take a painkiller just to listen to this A-hole.

JohnInCA on July 21, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Ta Da!!!

JohnInCA,

That is funny!

Thanks for the laugh!

What do you call an underwhelming, over sold, out-of-his-league, drowning in the kiddie pool, former radical community organizer who did not work while elected to the Senate but chose to campaign for another job – that of the President of the United States of America instead, but was considered more experienced and more qualified to become President of the United States than a certain vice presidential candidate who had more executive experience, as Mayor, as Governor, etc., than this Presidential Candidate?

The Messiah. The Savior of Mankind. The Lord of the Universe. Mister Hope and Change. Mister “Yes, We can!” “The One.”

Yes, we can also call Him “Barrack Hussein Obama” (Peace be unto Him. Praise His Holy Name. Prostrations and Salutations unto Him. Surrender to Him at all times with every thought, word, and deed. Give Him your burdends and He will give you Peace. Lay your troubles at His feet and He will Save you and bring Joy to your heart! Call upon Him with Love, Devotion, and Humility, and he will answer your call! He is the Great Healer who will save the Earth!) for He is Great, and His Radiance Shines brighter than a thousand suns.

He walks on water, raise the dead, heals the sick, and saves the souls of all who worship Him.

Hail our Savior and Master!

Hail Barrack Hussein Obama!

William2006 on July 22, 2009 at 2:18 AM

Dude, please. I’m diabetic. You mind toning it down a little?

BillH on July 22, 2009 at 7:50 PM

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