Video: Is your i-Pod unpatriotic?
posted at 1:36 pm on July 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Nick Gillespie at ReasonTV offers us a tour de force on protectionism and the “Buy American” sloganeering, as well as bikini-clad women swinging sledgehammers. They’re taking aim at i-Pods, as it turns out that the electronic marvel does not actually qualify as an American product. Nick wants to get into the spirit of protectionism that has grown as the economy shrinks, but is that really a smart approach to economics?
President Obama’s $800 billion stimulus package came equipped with a “Buy American” provision, and more than 500 state and local governments have signed “buy American” resolutions. And that may be just the beginning of the protectionist push.
Reason.tv went to a Washington, D.C. event where business owners and activists learned how to lobby for more protectionist laws. “If you want to sell it here, build it here,” says one participant who referrs to those who ignore the “buy American” imperative as “uneducated, ignorant people.”
And shouldn’t we be patriotic purchasers? That’s what car ads, draped with Old Glory and heartland visuals, suggest. What could be more patriotic than buying a Jeep Patriot? With American automakers hurting so badly, that’s got to help America.
“That’s nonsense,” says George Mason University economist—and Cafe Hayek blogger—Donald Boudreaux.
“The Jeep Patriot, despite it’s name is actually less American than some Toyota products. It’s literally impossible—at least in any practical sense—to ‘buy American.’”
Boudreaux argues that Americans should buy whatever products they choose; neither guilt nor laws should push them to buy American. “The thing that is most distinctively American is freedom. To insist that Americans should not be free to buy good from foreigners that’s very anti-American.”
Of all the populist sentiment unleashed in the 2008 election, the “Buy American” probably has the broadest and most long-lasting appeal. I’d rather buy a product made in America from an American company, given the choice and all other things being equal. ReasonTV explains that not only are all other things rarely if ever equal, but usually people don’t realize the extent to which foreign-owned companies make goods in the US and the extent to which US firms make goods abroad.
However, I do disagree with Boudreaux in one part of his statement. It’s not un-American at all to argue for a “Buy American” policy, as long as no one tries to force people out of their choices of goods and services. I’d call the campaigning for American products a perfectly rational form of free speech, intended to convince people to exercise their right to choose in a particular way. As long as no coercion is used, it’s perfectly American — even if sometimes misguided.
I’ll talk with Nick Gillespie today about the video and Reason’s point on globalized trade on The Ed Morrissey Show this afternoon. In the meantime, even if you don’t agree with Reason’s point, you can at least enjoy the Bikini i-Pod Smash. I’m pretty sure those are All-American girls, after all.
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Chicks in bikinis are always persuasive.
lorien1973 on July 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
“Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.”
– Thomas Jefferson
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
I’ll bet those bikinis were made in Guatelmala. And no tellin’ where the saline comes from.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
A lot of people have British rock on their iPods. Someone better tell Cass Sunstein about this.
Mr. D on July 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Sorry, I can’t get into protectionism here. I prefer Asian women.
Daggett on July 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Hmm, how to put this nicely… Any approach involving bikini-clad women is probably a smart approach.
cackcon on July 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Nancy Pelosi?
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
See? I avoided comment on growing/shrinking. Wait, oops….
cackcon on July 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Slap up a picture of bikini-clad gals and everyone disappears from the healthcare thread.
txag92 on July 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I regularly have to school local conservatives on the “community blog” in my area on trade and why “Buy American” isn’t exactly the most effective practice.
mankai on July 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM
It’s easy to buy American. Go for Smith & Wesson the next time you need a revolver. Or Reugar. Charter Arms.
Of course, if you want semi-auto, you do have to wonder whether Glock or Springfield (the XD is made in Croatia) wouldn’t be better.
All that said, I compoletely agree w/ Ed. Buy American is a great goal, but you need your freedom to purchase what makes sense. Otherwise we’ll be stuck with high-priced crud that doesn’t really create jobs.
jdfister on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
“Buying American” would bankrupt Wally World.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Wear protectionism.
Loxodonta on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I had to check the byline twice. Aren’t i-Pods and bikini-clad protesters more Allah’s forte’?
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 1:48 PM
After watching a little television, I thought that everybody knew that the only thing that is “made in America,” is the fast food that is shoved down very large pie-holes.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 21, 2009 at 1:48 PM
If you want to help the economy, buy the most cost effective product you can find, regardless of its national origin.
The benefits of specialization and trade contribute much more to our economy than the piddly few percentage points that are sufficient for us to cry recession. “Buy American” is just one more ploy, usually by overpriced unions, to shore up monopolistic aspirations.
Count to 10 on July 21, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And SUVs. Apparently the US is the only place on the whole planet with a carbon emission issue.
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Mud wrestling is patriotic too
LimeyGeek on July 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
QOTD!!!
Knucklehead on July 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
I can just see it now, reiterating the commercials from the early 80s. I think Barbara Mandrell did one, for clothing products.
“Buy American” and “Look for the Union Label.”
Of course, that wasn’t part of a legislative deal, just encouragement to do so.
JamesLee on July 21, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Wear protectionism.
Loxodonta on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
LOL!
txag92 on July 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
I wish the Dems could “Govern American.”
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Forte and Allahpundit.
One of these things is not like the other,
One of these things just doesn’t belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the other
By the time I finish my song?
Loxodonta on July 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Shame on you, WJ!! You can’t make me even try that link! My eyes started bleeding just at the suggestion! Gaaaa!!!!!
Tom_OC on July 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Many people who call themselves conservative, would be more accurately described as populists.
MarkTheGreat on July 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Really? How do you know they weren’t manufactured abroad and imported?
eclark1849 on July 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM
LOL
ladyingray on July 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Wait, I BELIEVE the XD is made in America, but the specs were purchased from Croatia and they required that their stamp be on the gun…..or am I going to have to shoot my new .40 to be patriotic?
HornetSting on July 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Naww, on second thought, I won’t touch that one.
JamesLee on July 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Nancy Pelosi?
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Even a hot body can’t cure a fugly face.
txag92 on July 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Actually the Iranians photoshopped just Nancy’s face on Women on Fitness magazine. I am thankful my Google search did not turn up an authentic picture.
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM
O/T~Somebody explain this to me…the vote to ‘ground’ the F-22…does that mean it’s going to be ‘mothballed’?
HornetSting on July 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Stop it!!!!!
I’m regurgitating stuff I ate weeks ago!!!
********
(going to happy place…. going to happy place…. Don’t think of the evil clown lady….)
Tom_OC on July 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM
You’d expect more comments from lorien1973, must be this video (not safe for work after the first few seconds).
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Stop causing deflation!
Loxodonta on July 21, 2009 at 2:03 PM
“Couldn’t I have a little bit of
perilprotectionism?”cjtony97 on July 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
To persuade my 45 year old ass, they have to be naked and penetrated in the classic pron sense to impress me. Maybe I’m just getting old.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:12 PM
The bikinis were likely made in China.
bradley11 on July 21, 2009 at 2:14 PM
That’s why I like Michelle so much. Her parts may be Filipino but they were assembled right here in the good old US of A.
Rip Ford on July 21, 2009 at 2:16 PM
I don’t know about bikini chicks.
But I do know that I buy whatever product works better, regardless of where it’s from.
Which explains why I bought a TOYOTA
mjk on July 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM
I would love to build and purchase American goods, but I do think that them days are long gone.
hawkman on July 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I think there are enough forces distorting the market as it is.
Buy the better product.
TheUnrepentantGeek on July 21, 2009 at 2:27 PM
The better point is that it is not in America’s interest to promote a buy American policy because it undermines efficiency, which undermines prosperity.
RedSoxNation on July 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM
“If we keep buying Toyotas, BMWs and Hyundais we’ll destroy [union] jobs in America [read: Michigan]!”
Please ignore all those jobs created in SC, AL and TN… and the incredible advances in auto technology and quality that the market gave us too.
mankai on July 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM
OhEssYouCowboys on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Wally World had a strong “Buy American” program a few decades ago. Think it was more feasible then, but I remember the ads, bumper stickers (dad had one on his truck) etc. in the ’80s.
Think the cheaper imported stuff made more economic sense for them after they were firmly established as a huge company, though.
cs89 on July 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Yup, it used to be the Wally World mantra. But then Sam Walton died. It’s been Chinese ever since.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 21, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Or Kel-Tec. Yeah, I know, bad rep, but they really make good products these days. If you haven’t checked it out yet, you should take a look at their RFB. American made .308 bull-pup. I’m hoping to be able to afford one in the near future.
aelhues on July 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Why? That would be the mark of a regression. The American economy has evolved beyond making “stuff” and if you destroy your i-Pod, what do you replace it with that is “American made” A 1980s boombox perhaps?
This is a global economy and, as the thread points out, there are Japanese nameplate vehicles that are more “American” than the stuff from the big three. IMO, the key to future prosperity isn’t focusing on origin but on the actual trade relationships with other nations- making sure American companies can compete as openly as foreign companies can compete in the US.
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Who will sort out the confusion on actual mfg origins as the line blur?
For example, some Toyota, Nissan, and Honda models are manufactured in the U.S. and some GM models are manufactured in Mexico. Thus, the labeling of domestic and foreign becomes less easy to prescribe.
jediwebdude on July 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM
The operative word is “Chicks” Having XX chromosomes doesn’t necessarily qualify.
And I bet my iPod is more patriotic than TOTUS.
rbj on July 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Can you say hunger deterant? Vomit inducer for the Poison Control Center?
CynicalOptimist on July 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Many economists point to protectionism as one of the factors that prolonged the Great Depression. Nice sentiment, but being more efficient and creating a better product and thereby earning sales is a better plan.
ROCnPhilly on July 21, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Wellness Prevention Program.
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM
It amuses me that “Conservatives” are all about Fair and Free trade… when they allowed the unequal playing field to develop in the first place.
ANY American company is at a real disadvantage when it comes to manufacturing. We can’t mine our own resources (we import a lot of them), energy is getting more and more expensive (see CALIF.), and our own TAX and labor laws make it impossible to compete.
The constant Conserative mantra that ALL free trade and import is “good” has created a situation where too much of what we consume is imported DUE TO OUR OWN STINKIN LAWS!
In this arena, I’m not a Conservative, or Libertarian, or populist, so much as an Americanist.
Real societal wealth ONLY happens when the Creation of Goods exceeds the consumption of goods. We no longer create, more than we consume…. and our own government gets in the way of that creation.
Romeo13 on July 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Is the one on the right Sarah Palin?
sceptical on July 21, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I have the same problem with the whole “buy local” thing. People are now arguing that I should buy local produce, shop local restaurants, etc. It’s supposed to help save the planet.
Well if Bob’s farm next door is less efficient than Stan’s farm in California, how does that save the planet? Sure, the watermelon doesn’t get shipped cross-country, but how much more fertilizer, pesticide, etc. did Bob’s farm use? Besides, I’d rather have the choice to eat whatever food is best. If it really IS fresher and doesn’t spoil as fast, then I’ll buy it.
Same with restaurants. If Mel’s steakhouse is as good as Ruth’s Criss, then I’ll go local. But if not, why should I suffer for Mel’s lack of quality?
hawksruleva on July 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Ummm, no. The problem here isn’t the free trade, it’s OUR OWN STINKIN LAWS! You’re blaming India for allowing THEIR companies to make better, cheaper products? Blame U.S. for making companies jump through hoops.
hawksruleva on July 21, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I wonder where TOTUS was born? I’m betting his parents are named Sony…
hawksruleva on July 21, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Did you even read what you QUOTED me on?
My point is that with ‘OUR OWN STINKIN LAWS” we cannot compete in a Free Trade environment. And the Repubs (supposedly conservative) had both houses and the Presidency for years and did nothing to CHANGE the bad business laws…. they just pushed Free Trade even though they HAD to know it put us at a competitive disadvantage.
Romeo13 on July 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Anyone with a scintilla of economic understanding knows that…
protectionism destroys wealth…
in addition to denying people choice.
But bikini-clad chicks ROCK. And can be forgiven for failing to understand economics. One can always teach them…pillow-talk is a great medium…
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 3:08 PM
+69
bluelightbrigade on July 21, 2009 at 3:09 PM
If we all bought 60% fewer oil products like gasoline, diesel, and plastics we could solve one buy American problem right there. Unless foreigners sold it cheaper than we could produce it.
Of course I love the idea of government mandates to buy American. Especially if American products cost more. We could lower our standard of living and be patriotic at the same time. What is not to like?
MSimon on July 21, 2009 at 3:10 PM
I don’t like the fact that it was made in a Chinese sweatshop…but I do like my iPod.
That being said, is there a form of (economic…I feel like I need to qualify that on this thread lol) protectionism that works?
bluelightbrigade on July 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM
It depends on what you want to accomplish.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Don’t worry, I am sure that China is cooling just like the US. It’s probably more like a Slighly Uncomfortable Shop now.
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 3:25 PM
While what you say is true, it doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone in the “Buy American” crowd. For many, this is a personal preference. It’s when the personal preference becomes support for protectionist legislation that the reactionary element of the conservatism (in this case, with a populist tinge) is clearly demonstrated.
Otherwise, it’s certainly “conservative” to suggest folks should buy American if that’s what they want to do. To them, it might be worth the extra money.
cackcon on July 21, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Precisely. It’s not really possible to have more trade and less trade simultaneously.
cackcon on July 21, 2009 at 3:28 PM
One of the truly great aspects of free market capitalism.
You put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is. While allowing me the freedom to do the same.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Ed, while I agree with your general sentiment against the Buy American clause, what you said here is misguided. Even if these products were fully produced by Americans from start to finish, it would still hurt America if you only bought American. First of all, any protectionism will be reciprocated by other countries, which hurts everyone, including us. Second of all, this simply makes the world economy more inefficient because you’re not necessarily buying the best product for your money. This is basic free market economics, and if there’s one domain where almost all economists agree free market principles work, it’s in very large economies and specifically the US economy.
The Buy American clause is simply wrong-headed no matter how you look at it.
tneloms on July 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM
You cannot buy a quality product anymore. All products are made in the same place and to the same standard. I purchased a hoe, no joke intended, a few months ago, and it already came apart. I guess if I want one to last I’m going to have to go to a flea market and buy one that’s already twenty years old.
The video in itself is a load of crap. It is meant to support free trade, but does it really? China has permanent favor nation trade status. When the government shows preference how is that free? When we allow other nations to peg their currency to ours, and when we conduct trade negotiations as part of foreign policy how is that free? I’m for free trade as much as a libertarian, but what we practice today is not free.
DFCtomm on July 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM
You only buy American if you purposely want something to break in an hour.
dcwvu on July 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM
There is a difference between Chicks and Hags.
PrettyD_Vicious on July 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Which is an argument for MORE free trade, not less.
Respectfully, BULL! Our cars are MUCH more durable than they were during the hey-day of Detroit hegemony. I have a little ax that is made by “foreign devils” (Fiskar) that is brilliant in its design and unparalleled in its quality. I have a very nice little Taurus 9mm that is an excellent piece, and an excellent value, and beats S&W all hollow.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM
American cars produced during the detroit hegemony, can’t compare to modern American cars either. Is what you’re discussing a function of quality, or improvements in manufacturing, but I will grant you that much of the manufacturing improvements are a product of foreign pressure.
I wish you better luck than I had with the most expensive hoe lowe’s had to offer, and yes it was made by little foreign devils as well. I personally will get the flea market for my next hoe purchase.
Taurus is one of the crappiest brands on the market with the reputation to match, while S&W’s new MP line is getting excellent reviews. I should know I have a MP compact 9MM. I hate to say it but it has fewer problems than my Kimber stainless 1911 TLE RL. I guess you can’t expect a gun that pretty to work like an ugly black plastic one.
DFCtomm on July 21, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I have always made a point to buy American cars. Never owned a Toyota or a Honda or Lexus or Acura or Kia. But now that Obama has given Chrysler and GM to the UAW (which is turning out to be one of the most unAmerican organizations of all — next to ACORN and the ACLU) I am changing my mind about what it means to buy American.
Christian Conservative on July 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I defer to your more recent experience in the gun world. Why do you think S&W came out with a “new” line? What made them do that?
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Glock and Sig, and in no way shape or form Taurus.
DFCtomm on July 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Don’t they really mean buy UAW, USW, etc.?
Not mentioned in his resume, Donald Boudreaux is the senior of two Nobel Prize winners on the economic faculty at George Mason. Sound economics started in the United States at Chicago. Several other universities now have good faculties.
burt on July 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Huh…
I’ve had very good luck with my little Tauruseessss. In the day when I paid any attention to the gun press, they did well in torture tests. Each of the 98-99s I’ve owned would put three on a quarter at combat range out of the box.
But Glock and Sig are both fine. Ruger makes some fine pieces, too. The Glock and Sig are just a little pricey for this old Scotsman.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Good Lord, I thought everybody knew all this already. If this is news or groundbreaking, it’s really depressing how stupid people are.
Wow, I’m seriously depressed to see this presented like it’s something new.
Maybe I’ll make telling people facts like this my life’s work from here on out.
thebadoutlaw on July 21, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Buying anything from Apple period is un-American. You are doing nothing but feeding the leftist machine.
ClassicCon on July 21, 2009 at 5:05 PM
So is Bill Gates’ Microsoft better? Give me a break. Is buying Starbucks un-American? This doesn’t make any sense.
Besides, liberals hate Starbucks despite of how left-wing it is, which sort of proves that liberals really just hate happiness and success, not all the stupid fake philosophical, political, and policy disagreements they pretend to have.
thebadoutlaw on July 21, 2009 at 5:09 PM
I may be a bit of a gun snob.
DFCtomm on July 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Naw. I drive an old Suburban. Never had a ‘Vette. They don’t haul enough hay. Just different priorities.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM
How about we “Buy American” . . . OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our gasoline is unpatriotic!
thebadoutlaw on July 21, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Buying American is the way to go because if you only buy from the cheapest manufacturer, you will end up moving your entire industrial base to China or some other country will vastly different views on how the world should be run. This is what has happened to America’s industrial capacity in the last 20 years. We used to build and export. Now we just rely on services for domestic work, and export our dollars for products. But services do not produce the wealth that manufacturing does. Anyone who thinks otherwise, will have to buy their next car from China. Because, as sure as anything, they will produce cars just as good for a lot less. Eventually, there are not enough jobs in America because we would rather pay a China man $5 than an American $7. So who buys dinner for the unemployed? Your tax dollars do. That $2 saving is not a saving because now it goes to pay for people who have no work, some of whom, out of frustration, now turn toward socialist policies. That’s how it will play out. You watch.
So instead of producing our own products, we sit back and let others produce them. But that does not benefit us. What happens is that our wealth is drained. We become poorer as we consume the products of other nations, while they become wealthier as they collect dollars that would have stayed here. Consequently, we become weaker, they become stronger.
The infernal search for the cheapest product leads to national ruin.
keep the change on July 21, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Concur… at its basic level, an economy is all about creating products… and consuming them.
Everything else… banks, roads, even the government are just support for this basic movement.
Problem is that our “economists” got so caught up in the support mechanisms, that they forget the basics.
Banks can make money, but they do NOT create goods… they make money off the movement of money… they do not make wealth themselves.
Yet our economists are all concerned with the GDP, which is the MOVMENT OF MONEY… not the creation of wealth (goods).
Romeo13 on July 21, 2009 at 6:14 PM
If you remember when Japan’s economy was maturing you heard many of the same arguments. Thank God we had Reagan to oversee the process, and thus ensured that the natural progression of free trade happened. Today Japan is mature and since their standard of living is so high no longer a threat to our labor force.
That’s the way it’s suppose to work, but it’s been a different ball game with China. We have shown them preferential treatment and allowed them to peg their currency to ours. Free trade is not to blame for China our politicians are.
DFCtomm on July 21, 2009 at 6:18 PM
The term “too stupid to live” comes to mind, but…
treating this as a teaching moment…
The search for the best use of scarce resources inevitably leads to their most efficient use, and is informed by PRICE information in a MARKET economy.
In a command economy, or one distorted by regulation (including protectionism), the level of information transferred, synthesized, and acted on cannot BEGIN to match that which is done…naturally…in a MARKET.
Plus, you have people with the power to COMPEL choices making them, rather than individuals.
Duh.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM
False. Economists DO NOT give great emphasis to money. GDP is a measure of the creation of wealth.
Please refer to Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. Argue with him.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Exactly. All that employment is parasitic. All those people consume wealth, but none of them produce it. They are overhead, at best. Unfortunately, the percentage of American workers who are now employed in overhead, rather than production, is far too high as the US workforce is now weighed more toward financial services and health care than good old industrial production and agriculture. Services, whether it be financial or medical, or even house painting, are overhead. They produce not one cent of wealth for the nation. They sap wealth and resources, both material and human, while producing nothing tangible for the nation’s balance sheet. High levels of employment in those sectors is an unsustainable luxury. The piper will be paid.
keep the change on July 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Being wrong is one thing, but being an asshole and wrong, takes special talent. Since you are new to Hotair, you better learn the ropes or you won’t be long for this site.
What you describe only applies consumers within a nation, not the interests of the nation within a world competing with other nations. We are not interested in what is best for some “world” market of Chinese and Indians and Russians, we care only what benefits the US.
100% false. If I have to explain that to you, I won’t bother. Google it.
keep the change on July 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Well, I was right. Too stupid to live.
So, it is your assertion that there is no such thing as service products that produce wealth?
Only manufactured goods produce wealth?
A-freaking-mazing….
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Not going to feed the troll.
keep the change on July 21, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Excellent. A much better use of your time is to order a book on economics, so as to know your ass from a cypress stump.
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 6:43 PM
If you feed them they reproduce. Give it a try I bet if you feed him Peter_Griffin will show up.
DFCtomm on July 21, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Even IF those bikinis aren’t made in America,I believe the filler is made here!
Jeff from WI on July 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM
This is why registration is not always open. But trolls do wait by the gate to get in.
keep the change on July 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM
And nothing gross about that national product!!!
Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM
If you make it more desirable, they will buy.
CO2 Producer on July 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM
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