Obama says talking time over, but has no clue what’s in ObamaCare; Update: Obama admits bill needs more work
posted at 12:16 pm on July 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
“The time for talking is through,” sayeth the man who apparently doesn’t realize that Congress exists to debate legislation and not to muzzle itself and rubber-stamp executive initiatives. Of course, Barack Obama might be able to make that argument a little better if this particular executive took any sort of responsibility for the executive initiative in question. Real Clear Politics has this quote from the President who wants Congress to pass the health-care reform bill by the end of the month without debate, but who apparently has no clue as to what it says or how it works. Click the image to hear:
During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: “Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.”
Er, what? Obama has insisted repeatedly that the bill would not force people out of their private health insurance plans, which have over 80% of Americans satisfied at the moment. Now we find out that Obama hasn’t read the section of the bill that pertains to the issue? It shows that Obama has been talking out of his hat the entire time, and has become so disengaged from the process that he’s not bothering to keep up with the legislative changes.
Bill Kristol wonders when Congress will get fed up with uninformed diktats from the Oval Office:
The Democratic bills in the House and Senate are a thousand pages long. They’re still changing as committees try to mark them up, or as they mark up other versions of health insurance legislation. There’s huge uncertainty about how lots of provisions in the bills and under consideration would work–OMB Director Orzsag and HHS Secretary Sibelius couldn’t answer straightforward questions on Fox News Sunday and Meet the Press. Nothing goes into effect in any case until 2013–except the tax provisions, which would begin in 2011. Yet President Obama wants everyone to stop debating and deliberating, and act now–because he and he alone has decided “now is the time to go ahead and act.”
Congress should assert itself, stand up for the deliberative and democratic process, and defy this presumptuous presidential dictate.
I’d put the chances of that at about 60-40 against, or perhaps 62-38 if we count the two Senators from Maine, at least until the midterms. Hopefully, the American people will provide a Congress that shows a little more spine at that point.
Update: Reuters reports that Obama now admits that the bill needs more work:
President Barack Obama said on Tuesday the healthcare overhaul plan working its way through the U.S. Congress needs more work amid signs his top policy initiative, already rejected by Republicans, was running into deeper trouble with his own Democrats.
Obama was to meet with a group of Democratic lawmakers to discuss how to pay for the nearly $1 trillion reforms after a key congressional panel canceled Tuesday’s votes on its version of the legislation while talks continued with a group of fiscally conservative Democrats.
Asked whether he would sign any of the bills now being considered in Congress, Obama told NBC’s “Today” show: “Right now, they’re not where they need to be.”
But Obama said he was confident the final legislation would drive down spiraling healthcare costs over time.
Since “the time for talk is through,” Congress will use body language, hand puppets, and a fleet full of French mimes to get that work accomplished, I presume.
Update II: Heritage link added; they were the original source for the story.











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Aren’t all of his pressers “canned”…..
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I’ve never quoted my own posts before but I’m going to repeat this one he is”….deeply, deeply lazy.”
jeanie on July 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Now THAT is funny! But more appropriate to be buried at sea? Or at least a lagoon.
riverrat10k on July 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM
daggett I heard him say that too. unreal.
ginaswo on July 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Teddy Kennedy:
make his coffin a ’64 Olds….
just kidding
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Good!!! Start with yourself, Barry O, and go hide under your desk for 3 1/2 years and let Biden do the talking–he’s a barrel of laughs, and it’ll save us a few trillion dollars!
Steve Z on July 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I guess there’s more proof positive that he’s taking this Bush blaming thing way too far.
I have met the enemy… and he is me…
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Y’all have misunderstood, we can’t talk about it anymore. Everybody nod your heads and smile.
Cindy Munford on July 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
They are figuring it out, but in the case of my liberal dad, he decided to become negative and just said who cares anymore since he sees his mortality. But I still was able to get in a jab that he could not argue with. Hell, he got pissed that I proved to him that I was more informed that him. That was when he gave his I don’t like Obama confession (voted for him though). Best debate I ever won.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Ol’ Teddy says, ” there’s thinkers, and there’s Dewars. Make mine a double.”
ICBM on July 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
A MUST watch.
Send in the clowns….
txag92 on July 21, 2009 at 1:32 PM
it makes him think bettah…and drive bettah
who’s up for chowdahh?
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:32 PM
I just wish Obama had first made this confession about the health care bill tomorrow night during the press conference. Can you imagine the fallout if it had happened in primetime on live TV?
Doughboy on July 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM
This is the Obamateurism of Barry O.
He’s expended nearly all of his political capital already. His poll numbers are dropping and support for his programs (or pogroms) are sinking down to Davey Jones’s Locker.
There are two possible explanations.
1) He is an incredible amateur, and thought that he could cow tow to the extreme left and be able to satisfy the middle of the electorate at the same time.
2) He’s so blinded by pure ideology and ambition that he didn’t care.
Who knows
blatantblue on July 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Will you quit backing off your comments with I’m just kidding. We are all in agreement. Your among friends here.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Are you kidding? He’ll want it even more now…
ladyingray on July 21, 2009 at 1:26 PM
I was just hoping it would be. Actually, Fox declined so my show will go on regardless.
txag92 on July 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM
But he went to Harvard!
el gordo on July 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM
there is an inverse relationship between public support for Obamacare and the amount of press conferences that he holds regarding it.
let him keep talking about it…. red meat.
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:35 PM
You forgot ice sculptures.
Ferris on July 21, 2009 at 1:35 PM
J-Hawk–
it helps me clear my conscience…
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Cindy Munford on July 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Loxodonta on July 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Interpretive dance.
pedestrian on July 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I’d say it is time for Team America 2: Tagline, “this time it’s personal.”
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
dog whisperers…?
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
baldilocks on July 21, 2009 at 1:39 PM
highhopes–
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I lost my conscience when I was a cop. Forthe first time, I saw life how it truly is. Turned my punk liberal college age ass into a conservative almost overnight.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Well, that should make for some interesting non-talking on who is covered for colostomies.
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
i hear ya–OEF and OIF stripped me of mine–I just fake it here.
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
With these douches in office, you get the ‘Ambiguously Gay Duo’.
HornetSting on July 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
I hope you’re right. But Obama is a smooth talker and arm-twister, and he might get the votes to pass it by offering enough ACORN money or campaigning for Blue Dogs in their districts, as we saw Crap&Raid (our wallets) pass the House.
But not knowing what’s in a bill can be a serious problem for many voters, and trying to force a vote in two weeks on something that doesn’t take effect for four YEARS begs the question: What’s the hurry?
Obama could have figured out that Congress moves at the speed of snails if he had spent longer in the Senate. But he was too busy campaigning to change Washington to find out how it worked.
New Ad: Congressional Foot-Draggers Wanted. Desperately. Both Parties Welcome!
Steve Z on July 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
That my friends, it what it sounds like when the wheels come off a bus.
When even the media has a picture of Obama looking like Mickey Mouse it’s over.
pedestrian on July 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
That Mickey Mouse picture is going to be like John Kerry looking like a sperm cell in that one factory a few years back..
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Don’t fake it, we need more truth speakers here. What you say initially is the truth but you back off fearing something that you should not be afraid of. If you want, you can be my cover fire when I go in.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:45 PM
+3
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:45 PM
IN.OVER.HIS.HEAD.
Oink on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
deal–got you mav!
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
O/T…..Convicted Pimp now running for Detroit City Council…..well, that makes sense.
Yes, we can!
HornetSting on July 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM
has anyone called/emailed their congressmen/senator today?
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Yes, Blatentblue, and I wonder which is actually scarier?
JamesLee on July 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Im waiting for progress over peace to start so that I can get behind him and cover his back.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM
I emailed demint giving him big props for putting his big boy pants on and speaking da troof.
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Well, if someone from Fox News asks the question about the bill forbidding private insurance companies from taking new customers, he might repeat that confession. But Obama will probably ban Fox News from the presser–he knows they don’t
likeloveworship him like the other networks do.Steve Z on July 21, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I called a few weasel moderates and told them they’d be pursued relentlessly if they vote for Obamacare
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Yep. Friday, yesterday and today.
myrenovations on July 21, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Mail was picked up about 2 hours ago, with one for Bond, McCaskill, and Clever, er, Cleaver. Including my final line about the least I expect from them is a full reading and understanding of any bill prior to voting.
I expect I will be moved up the watch list a few notches.
JamesLee on July 21, 2009 at 1:49 PM
That confession came from a question by a “liberal blogger”
WTF–aren’t they on the same team?
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Yes I did. But my guys are not in favor. In fact, my district congressman, Todd Tiahrt, got into a little hot water when he publicly mentioned that what if Obama’s mom had the opportunity at that time to abort him.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I printed off that petition from Fleming’s office regarding forcing congress to join any obamacare program after dropping their federal health plan. Gotta send that in.
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:51 PM
The “what if Bush had said it” game just never gets old.
Picture Bush telling Congress to quit talking and pass his legislation. Imagine, if you can, the howls of protest that would ensue.
I keep coming back to this – lefties are just plain stupid.
commenter on July 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I called Grassley to give him some props and told him to get in behind demint or open another front on Obamacare.
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I keep coming back to this – lefties are just
plain stupid.overeducated, overmedicated, egotistical fricking morons without any common sense about how the world works….FIFY
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Say what you will about the Iraqi invasion, but far more deliberation went into that decision. Plus, notwithstanding the new definition of “bipartisan,” there was also much more consensus about how to act back in 2003.
Minus having Axelrod make a presentation before the U.N., I’d say the stage is nearly set for “Health care died when Obama lied!” if this is actually enacted.
cackcon on July 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Sleep Away camp?
RepubChica on July 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
They are not stupid. Don’t ever get that impression. They know exactly what they are doing. We have to fight the enemy the same way they fought Bush.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
The more they know, the less they like.
Chainsaw56 on July 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Keep workin’, guys, but take your time. Haste makes waste. Gotta get it right, or not at all.
Steve Z on July 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
You know good and well that any provision forcing Congress into the same health coverage as we commoners will be overturned in one of those midnight votes on pork belly regulation.
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Better. Noticed no trolls on this thread. Shame. My drunken ass would have a field day with them.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Did AnnincA get the ban Hammer or has she just given up?
kingsjester on July 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
That’s the message that needs to be sent to one’s elected representatives. If healthcare reform is to be a reality it needs to be done by a professional deliberative process instead of an unrealistic timeframe whose driving factor is partisan political gain.
highhopes on July 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Audio of the “not familiar” bit
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/21/obama_not_familiar_with_key_provision_in_health_care_bill.html
BTW, how long before Gibbs or some other douche comes out to praise Obama’s lack of knowledge as good news, because of the “transparency” he showed by admitting it.
RightWinged on July 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Obamao is running a close second to Hugo Chavez in appearing in prime-time propaganda.
onlineanalyst on July 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM
More than likely still in bed. Moonbats in California don’t get up until noon.
And I don’t think the ban hammer is used by Ed or AP on stupid people.
Knucklehead on July 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM
The sad thing is that they are the enemy. Never have I felt utter disdain for half of the population of this country. In fact, I sometimes wonder with my 20 years of Red Cross training, would I volunteer to save a member of the 52 %.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM
She’s probably off making the rounds of all of her Kaiser doctors before ObamaCare gets passed.
myrenovations on July 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM
They’re either Stupid, Insane or Evil – sometimes all at the same time.
Chainsaw56 on July 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM
jhawk–thanks boss.
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 2:03 PM
No I’m sue she will show up. It amazes me that she supports Palin, yet hates everything she stands for.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Office visit with Dr. K Marx?
WashJeff on July 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Has anyone called heath shuler 202.225.6401 or john barrow 202.225.2823 or bishop 202.225.3631?
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Hey, that’s more business experience than Obama brought to the presidency. Least this guy may have a clue how capitalism works.
RepubChica on July 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
What about interprative dance?
aop on July 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
these are some fellas in need of some conservative reeducation on exactly who runs this country.
you’s guys are just the ones to do it…
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Heh…
ladyingray on July 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Kansans can be wishy-washy, but always trust a Jayhawk fan. Unless they live in Lawrence.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Welcome back brand new married guy!!!! I think Anne can no longer stand the abuse any longer. Over the weekend she was a hit and run commenter. It wasn’t pretty.
Cindy Munford on July 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Called Shuler since he’s the Blue Dog whip…and half a dozen others. I’ll make sure to hit all of them up today b4 they leave the office.
RepubChica on July 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Heath is a born again Christian. Had to since his NFL career tanked. He is beloved in TN, and has always voted Republican since Obama took over. Schuler is the man.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Umm: Shuler is a Democrat…
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Mark Levin is listing him as on the fence…
ted c on July 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Cindy Munford on July 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Thanks, Cindy. When you’re gone a week, you never know who’s gonna commit Hari Kari while you’re gone. Especially since it appears that Mr. President has begun his meltdown.
kingsjester on July 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM
I call BS…I’m in Tennessee…he is not beloved here.
ladyingray on July 21, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Classic Shuler…
ladyingray on July 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM
We are facing a wise latina
We are confronting a healthcare bill written by a brain pickled democrat with brain damage. We have a chubby surgeon general on the way and the IRS run by a tax cheat.
This health plan is supported by a brain damaged Biden.
Life is good.
Go jayhawks
seven on July 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM
The bill needs a funeral. It’s really starting to stink up the place.
Blake on July 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I know, but he voted against the stimulus plus the crap and tax. Schuler is an old school Dem.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Will be preseason #1, hell yeah go Jayhawks.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Congrats again, King! Ann is speed dialing, trying to one up all of our negative calls about healthcare.
HornetSting on July 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Heath Shuler sponsored a bill, the save act, that strenghthened the laws on illegal immigration, using everify and harsher penalties….it died a slow death, thanks to Nancy.
HornetSting on July 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Old school Dems rule. Being the fact that I was a registered Democrat for 20 years,(since turned Independent). I have found that Truman and JFK, would be considered right wing neo-con warmongers. And, they would never had made it out of the New Hampshire primary in 08.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Yes, it is time, but not the time he thinks.
It is time to let Obama know that we, the people he works for, have decided it is now time for him to listen. It is now time for us to take our country back. It is time for us to let him know who pays the bills. It is time to push back on the thugs he deploys against us.
It is time to let the Congress know that we have had enough. It is time to tell them “you’re fired”. It is time…
Yoop on July 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Heath is the man. A REAL DEMOCRAT from the old days. When Dems usually had their shit and the countrys shit/survival at the top of their list.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM
The Obama Thesuarus:
Transperancey = Stop talking
Post partisan = My way or the highway
Moderate = Socialist
Scrappy on July 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I want to know which Americans are demanding that ObamaCare be passed by August. C’mon, fess up, did you force this deadline on Obama or is he just telling another lie about ObamaCare?
from http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8134131&page=1“
DaMav on July 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I saw Shuler on the old Rick and Bubba morning show on TurnerSouth. It was a charity hunting event sponsored by Andy Andrews. He came across as very genuine. Of course, as a Univ. of Memphis Alumni, it’s difficult for me to give an old UT football player a break, but still, I believe he is a blue (orange?) dog.
kingsjester on July 21, 2009 at 2:27 PM
VERY appropriate!
4shoes on July 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I am like an impatient kid, it’s not happening fast enough and I don’t trust any of those jokers in D.C.
Cindy Munford on July 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM
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