Video: Birth certificate Truthers demand action from GOP congressman
posted at 8:30 pm on July 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
The congressman in question? Mike Castle of Delaware, whom you’ll remember for his mavericky maverickness in voting for Obama’s cap-and-trade monstrosity. He got an earful about that too — watch the second clip below — but it’s the Truther spectacle in the first vid that’s getting media attention, natch. Expect these people to play the same role at GOP primary events in 2012 that 9/11 Truthers played at Democratic rallies last year, occasionally cornering the wary candidate with a video camera to ask if he/she “supports a new investigation” and receiving the same vague, wary assurances that of course he/she will be happy to “look into it.” Still, I wonder: Will they disperse and hassle all the candidates equally or, a la Ron Paul, will one candidate catch their fancy and coopt the entire subgroup? I hope Huck and Palin, as the “true conservatives” in the race, are ready to field some awkward questions.
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Exactly. It’s the one smart thing Obama has done.
Go RBNY on July 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM
No it isn’t. Media have seen it. The state of Hawaii has verified it. We have seen it.
There are no intelligent, credible people challenging this. You all sound like complete asshats.
And he SHOULDN’T do any more to legitimize this sort of stupidity. It is in the country’s best interest that we don’t empower f’ing idiots to manufacture BS scandals in an attempt to delegitimize our elected government.
You would be wise to construct a reasonable and intelligent argument in opposition to any of his policies with which you disagree.
DaveS on July 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy?
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Have past presidents come out and shown their BC’s to the American people?
I’m honestly wondering
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM
underceij on July 20, 2009
awesome, a conspiracy theory to debunk……a conspiracy theory
Ris4victory on July 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM
I just looked at the announcements online- they don’t say he was born in Honolulu. They say he was born to someone who lived in Hawaii.
LASue on July 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM
How? Easy. Tell me your full name and I will put your birth announcement into what ever paper you want. You see much as liberals hate to admit it newspapers are not legal documents and really can’t be used in place of official documents like birth certificates.
jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Has there ever been a question before?
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM
It’s amazing how many people are so protective of Obama’s original birth certificate. If they truly believe there is nothing damaging to Obama in his original birth certificate, they would be a bit miffed by his petty obstinance in not showing the only document that would certify his Constitutional eligibility to be POTUS.
Buddahpundit on July 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Could be. But transparent this administration is not.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Huh? I mean … huh?
The Precedent claims that he held other citizenships (British at birth, changing to Kenyan) and there is evidence that he held Indonesian citizenship.
It depends on whether you think the Founders intended to allow multiple citizens to be President. But I’m really interested in whether YOU think that it’s fine to have a President who holds a bunch of other citizenships. Do you?
That is unadulterated bullsh!t. The Constitution says nothing of the sort. Further, multiple citizenship for Americans did NOT exist at the time of the writing of ‘natural-born’, so a ‘natural-born’ American was one who was born American and had never held any other citizenships. To me, it is clear that that is what the Founders intended, as they were very wary of foreign influence in our government. Very wary.
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM
So let me get this right. For 8 years we had to hear that Bush did not really win the election in 2000. That he really didn’t report for National Guard Duty. Bush lied and people died. The only thing the MSM did get right was that he snorted cocaine, hell Fox News broke that story days before the election in 2000. Gee wasn’t Fox accused of being the Bush White House propaganda arm?
I don’t get it. These people should be concerned about other things, however they have a right to freely speak their mind to an elected official. Obama is trying to change that too with his “Fairness Doctrine” or whatever they’re calling it this week.
Atlanta Media Guy on July 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Faraway:
He could be a citizen w/o being born in the US, but he would be ineligible to be POTUS, same as Arnold (born in Austria) or Jenny Granholm (Canada). He would be in EXACTLY the same boat as those two. McCain was off the hook because he was born on a US Military installation, albeit one in a foreign country.
Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Ich bin ein a birther.
Allah obviously feels these people to be kooks but with all due respect to our good friend Allah, he has no idea where and when Obama was born nor does he know anyone who does.
Challenge: Can one single person on this board conclusively state where and when Barack Obama was born…?
I dare you.
NeoKong on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Are you suggesting that his mother started the conspiracy back in 1961 after anticipating that he’d run for President 38 years later?
Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM
has there?
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM
This issue just devolves into mayhem, I’m out guys, have fun.
Archimedes on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I don’t think you’ve thought this through.
DaveS on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM
What conspiracy? The guy is running a train wreck of an administration. I don’t think you would exactly need a second gunman on the grassy knoll to say, “Screw ‘em. Let ‘em bitch about my birth certificate for a while. Couric and Williams can make them out to be kooks and buy me some time.”
vitocorleone99 on July 20, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I’d have to say no.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 9:50 PM
This is exactly what has been going on since the campaign and it is exactly why these freaks are comparable to truthers. Original rumors stated that Obama’s middle name was Muhammed, Barack Obama Sr. was not his real dad and he was not a U.S. citizen. Obama’s campaing then released Obama’s birth certificate. Birthers then said the certificate was forged or lacked a stamped seal. Then Factcheck.org inspected the certificate and released high-res photos of it. They debunked all of the above rumors and confirmed it was legitimate. Now birthers have clung to the idea that Obama must release his long-form birth certificate, even though there is no reason the short form certificate would be illegitimate, Hawaiian officials have confirmed that they hold a copy of his original long-form birth certificate on record and Hawaiian newspapers published birth notices in August of 1961. How can this be explained?
Whenever evidence is put forth debunking their claims, birthers demand more, or irrationally dismiss the evidence provided for no apparent reason. This is Trutherism, and it would undoubtedly continue if his long-form birth certificate were released.
crr6 on July 20, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Chester Arthur, whose father was not a naturalized American at the time of Chester’s birth. Arthur covered this fact up and got rid of all documentation possible. Arthur was born in the US, but the fact that his father was not a citizen was enough to make Arthur worried that he was ineligible to be President. That was the thinking at that time.
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:52 PM
When did his name legally change from Soetoro to Obama? Was he an adult in America when he decided to change his name legally back to Obama, and if so, can anyone find the court filing?
Ris4victory on July 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
What conspiracy? Would it take a second gunman on the grassy knoll for the guy to see that his presidency is a train wreck and it might not hurt to have Couric and Williams pointing to some people talking about a birth certificate?
vitocorleone99 on July 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
No.
Which is why, incidentally, the conversation has merit. There needs to be a process.
The attitude of ‘we don’t have a process to verify requirements = no requirements’ is fail. Regardless of the this particular case it should illustrate a need to have the process. I think the states should simply add the verification to the process of putting the name on the ballot.
Spirit of 1776 on July 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
It’s all worth it if it makes you this upset.
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
OH MY GOD!!!!! I never thought of that!! WOW!! Obama is so clever. Like a fox he is…
You are BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT!
I’ll bet that’s exactly what he’s doing. It was no doubt secretly planned way before the election and has been executed flawlessly spending hundreds of thousands of dollars.
God, you are so good DUDE!
Boy do I feel really shtoopid now….!!!!!!
katy on July 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Are you suggesting that his mother started the conspiracy back in 1961 after anticipating that he’d run for President 38 years later?
OK, I cant’ resist. She would if she wanted her son to enjoy the fruits of US citizenship. A slightly valued commodity seeing as how illegals .
Now I’m out!
Archimedes on July 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM
So trustworthy of this government, some of you are…
Well, what the hell… They all seem to have our best interest in mind. They all seem to be trustworthy to me. It’s not like there has been any lying or cheating going on. It’s not like any of them are getting rich off our tax dollars or anything. It’s not like any of them have wrongly accused our soldiers of killing innocent woman/children in the dead of the night. It’s not like any of them have been caught with cash in their freezer. Did I mention how some of them have family members who have been paid millions of tax payer dollars by way of sweet deals put together by guess who. Oh, and their is that one guy who just happened to be screwing an intern who just happened to come up missing, never to be found; think that guy was from California also…
(sarc)
Keemo on July 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Yeah, this is what happened when someone tried to talk…
mrsmwp on July 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Indeed, my friend.
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM
In a lockbox with my confiscated social security IOU, dumbass.
Fletch54 on July 20, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Obviously not. That’s why it’s important to Obama that he not release the original. Obama produced a document that was printed last year. There’s no way his mother could have been involved.
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Hypothesis:
Obama was born in Hawaii, but there is potentially damaging information on his birth certificate and/or other documents that his handlers do not want us to see. I doubt that it’s as simple as his being referred to as Muslim somewhere, but there could be falsified information on financial aid applications, low GPA, or something we haven’t thought of.
Can I prove any of that? Of course not. He could settle all these questions but has no reason to do so.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM
The link I provided before is enough proof for me. I’ll link it again.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Hell, I don’t even have my original birth certificate anyone, I lost mine somewhere. I got a reissue from my State. What does that say about me? I’m a sleeper agent from Canada?
It’s comparable to the moon landing conspiracies, where now NASA admits they lost the original tapes, and moon truthers deduce that is proof that the moon landing is fake.
It happened, we landed on the moon. And Obama was born in the United States (in a U.S. State that was very young in ’61).
DanStark on July 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM
I believe he is a born citizen, spent time abroad, and came back to live in urbanity, developing a chip on his shoulder for private enterprise and the individual.
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Katy – you always crack me up!! My first smile all day :)
Ris4victory on July 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM
David Letterman.
crr6 on July 20, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Have we ever had a President like this one?
Keemo on July 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I can’t for the life of me figure out this Birth certificate stuff. Part of me says it’s stupid and people are just being crazy… but then why doesn’t Obama just end it with his proof of birth…
Is Obama really hiding something? or does it serve him somehow to have these people out there?
Ampersand on July 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM
…apologized.
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM
But that’s the point.. Why doesn’t Barry just get a reissue?
RightWinged on July 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Of course not, but I imagine it would be much more fruitful to get welfare for a citizen child. BO said they spent time on welfare.
mrsmwp on July 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Well he didn’t resign…
crr6 on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Well, there can’t be any argument with the last point.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Just to clarify: BO provided a “Certification of Live Birth” not a Certificate of Live Birth.
The online posting of the Certification is NOT a long-form birth certificate. It can be issued to recognize a birth ANYWHERE by a Hawaiian resident, and does not necessarily prove birth in Hawaii. Also, factcheck.org is NOT a reliable document examiner, and the so-called examination of an internet file is inane. That farce was all theater schtick posing as a legitimate examination process.
I don’t know where BO man was born, but the question boils down to this: why seal ALL your personal records?
This is supposed to be the most historic president, the first African-American president. Why not let the records show how this humble man made it to the office of President? Why spend nearly $1M on legal fees? It does not take a conspiracy theory to see that the records are not being made available to ANYONE. Not just the infamous BC, but the school records, the passport and any immigration records regarding his time in Indonesia, etc.
Logically, here is no reason to hide, unless there is something worth hiding. Until the records are released, and until the MSM or SOMEONE with the cojones digs into the sealed records, these rumors and concerns will continue.
By the way, I was so proud of this woman. My father was also a WWII veteran; and I, too, am proud of our country. I agree with her that we need to take our country back!
DINORight on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Gawd, I wanted to avoid this topic but here goes. You guys are all focused on the wrong areas. Obama was born in Hawaii. I think the issue from the birthers is that Obama could not be an Indonesian citizen and a US citizen at the same time. His trip to Pakistan in the early 80′s could NOT have occured with a US passport as it was illegal at the time. However, if he was an Indonesian, he could travel to Pakistan (as was stated in one of his books, the travel part, not what type of Passport he used). This was around his college days and if he was drawing scholarship money for foreign students, then some pieces are starting to fall into place, if he was Indonesian. But I digress. Who should be focusing on who to call to stop health care and cap and trade, not worrying about the birth certificate. Just think, if you are successful in removing Obama, we get Biden. I think that could be worse than Obama.
CDR M on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
The left demanded, and got, every scrap of paper on Bush, down to and including the macaroni art he made in kindergarten. Even then, they had to make some up.
But that’s ok.
Now all we want is one piece of paper, his original birth certificate.
But that’s not ok.
Hell, I want a lot more:
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate
Columbia College records
Columbia Thesis paper
Certification of Live Birth showing where born
Harvard College records
Illinois State Senate records
Illinois State Senate schedule
Law practice client list and billing records/summary
Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
Medical records
Occidental College records
Parent’s Marriage Certificate
Record of baptism
Selective Service Registration
Trips schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
Scholarly articles
Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
but I’d settle for his birth certificate.
Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
You left out the part about time travel. He would know in 2008 that his presidency would be a train wreck in 2009?
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Dude. Factcheck.org is a leftist organ with ties to Obama. Look it up.
NEEEEXT!
katy on July 20, 2009 at 10:00 PM
And?
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Awesome post!
Keemo on July 20, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Right On! Right On! Right On! /Rush Limbaugh
rslancer14 on July 20, 2009 at 10:03 PM
…but, he still sux.
HornetSting on July 20, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Sucks to be you. Shees.
The Race Card on July 20, 2009 at 10:03 PM
That’s all you have to do. Make the call, pick the date you want the announcement to appear in the paper.
DONE!
They don’t verify anything.
christene on July 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM
;o)
katy on July 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM
yes that is what is being said, that would make him ineligible for president as he would not be a natural born citizen. His grandmother said she was there when he was born in Kenya. I want to see he Kenya birth certificate. How did he go to Pakistan when it was illegal for a US citizen to do so. US law dose not allow dual citizenship. I want to have time line on this. August 4th he was born in Hawaii? When is the travel dates to Kenya? When they departed through immigration is there a record of child. When he arrived in Kenya was there record of child with immigration? When did they return and how. Dose plane or ship records show child?
Here is internet birth certificate. Come on, it has no seal and certificate number is blacked out. This is not proof. Where is the original showing doctor and hospital and seal. Why put up such a lame Birth Certificate?
I’m not a Truther, or Birther, i’m holding judgment, but it looks very strange, the holding back of original document, why?
Ed Laskie on July 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM
That is unadulterated bullsh!t. The Constitution says nothing of the sort. Further, multiple citizenship for
They wouldn’t have considered this despite the fact that they wrote the requirements for citizenship and to be eligible to hold the title of POTUS? In an era in which most people in the US were first or second generation Americans if not immigrants themselves?
And you’re suggesting that the Constitution doesn’t specifically grant citizenship to those born on US soil? Assuming that Obama was born on US soil, under what conditions would you consider him constitutionally ineligible to be President?
Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM
A little slow on the uptake I see.
Think about it a bit more hun.
crr6 on July 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Let’s say Barry O was not born in the US. What now? Exactly. STFU!
The Race Card on July 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM
You’re obviously missing the point here. The guy may have been born on Mars as far as I know. I’m saying that, right here and right now, he could produce a compelling fake if he wanted to, even if no real birth certificate existed. Instead, he can sit back while a bunch of people get all in a lather about it.
And, just to address that last point, was there no sign that he had any inclination to discredit critics during the campaign? You and I saw two different campaigns in that case. Very well.
vitocorleone99 on July 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Oh look…
The Race Chip is back….
Hey, what’s that thing on your shoulder?
katy on July 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Substantive as ever.
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 10:07 PM
No conspiracy, but that does not make the announcements accurate. The announcements say only 2 things: 1) Obama was born; and 2) his parents were “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama,” of 6085 Kalanianade Highway.
No one disputes Obama was born, but he has admitted that his parents were not legally married at the time of his birth (his dad was married to someone else), so the announcements are not accurate on that issue. They say nothing about where he was born, which I believe is the issue some people question.
LASue on July 20, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Yes, indeed. Constitution be damned! Gibbs wants his phrase back, though.
Spirit of 1776 on July 20, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Yeah…But..
source
rslancer14 on July 20, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I think he is an Indonesian citizen. Where are Barry Soetoro’s school records from Indonesia (let alone his college records)? Where is his Indonesian passport application (which his parents would have completed and filed)?
Philly on July 20, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I’m no conspiracy theorist. I do, however, follow reason where it takes me. Obama’s mother was an America citizen, so he is (or was at one time) an American citizen. But reason also tells me that when a man has ALL of his records sealed — birth records, all passport and foreign travel records, all college records, all state legislative records — there is something (or many somethings) there he does not want to see the light of day. What is Obama hiding? I think that’s a reasonable question, given the breadth of the cover-up.
Rational Thought on July 20, 2009 at 10:08 PM
And Hotair?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/05/triggerism-trutherism-and-birtherism/
DanStark on July 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Are you an idiot? Yeah that’s exactly what I’m suggesting. wow call me something nutty like a truther now. I’m destroying the republican party why don’t I just STFU because I’m making you all look bad.
jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM
I was born in Hawaii, AND I could and would show my birth certificate to end all this crap. Why doesn’t he I wonder?
mauipundit on July 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Got an error code on your source.
It does not change the fact that fact check is authenticating his BC not his Cert of Live Birth.
katy on July 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Why hasn’t the media done any 1 hour specials on Obama’s childhood friends? His relatives? His parents friends? His college friends?
Who is this guy? Does anyone know anything about him?
Did you know he was a Marxist when you voted for him?
faraway on July 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM
A few things that have not been cleared up.
1.Why does Obama claim to have been born in two different hospitals in hawaii?
2.Why does his grandma, TO THIS DAY, say she was there when he was born in Kenya?
3.How many people who criticize birthers actually know what a certificate of life birth is?
FWIW, the main people making a stink about this are people in the military. Criticize them at your own peril, chickenhawks.
TTheoLogan on July 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM
You’re missing the point that this issue was raised in 2008, and he went to court to fight releasing it. That’s just a bit more involved than messing around with Couric and Williams for a fraction of a political point.
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 10:11 PM
I tend to think people gravitate to this theory because it is more sensical to think of Obama and all his ridiculous ideologies as some foreign, invading entity, as opposed to some homegrown sickness.
Something along the lines of
“someone like Obarfy can’t possibly be American”
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Yeah, it’s a great intellectual plot by Obama. The problem is, the military is getting away with letting people out of service based on it.
TTheoLogan on July 20, 2009 at 10:12 PM
There ya go hun, you got it now. Well, seeing as you don’t seem to have a rejoinder, you can put your tin foil hat back on and continue the eternal quest for Obama’s hidden birth certificate.
crr6 on July 20, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Why do you think papers check the legality of announcements? I put announcements into a number of out of state papers for my kids and that was twenty years ago and I would bet papers 45 years ago didn’t give a rats backside if the announcement was correct. In fact two of the papers got my kids names wrong. So yeah I not only thought it through I been there and done that. Again papers are not legal documents and are not required to valid the information the get.
jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 10:14 PM
No.
Truther.
Good idea.
Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 10:14 PM
I may be misremembering but when he went over to visit his grandmother, before the election when she was very ill, didn’t he have the governor of Hawaii verify the authenticity of his birth certificate that in on file there? I will try to see if I can find an article. I truly believe he is protecting his family.
Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Your right… my apologies. I need to think twice before I depart… from our dear leaders at Hot Air.
pfffft…
katy on July 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM
I don’t give a rat’s ass what he did in 2008. Right now, today, the president is loving the fact that this topic inspires more passion among a handful of people than the $2 trillion deficit does.
Good luck exposing the truth though. I’ll listen for a full report on Coast to Coast or whatever.
vitocorleone99 on July 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Obama’s parents met when they were studying in Hawaii. So why is it so crazy that their son would be born there?
YYZ on July 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM
LOL
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM
hmmmm…
it was working a minute ago, now I get the a similar error code. drat. It was Leo Donofrio’s Original blog posting about his case. The latest site is here.
rslancer14 on July 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Rejoinder to what? You pointed out that Letterman hasn’t resigned, as if it means anything. If you won’t or can’t explain what you’re talking about, I suppose that’s nothing new.
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Actually, being from Hawaii and now living in California, there are plenty of people I know who hold to Obama’s “Sorry for America” attitude. I can conceive of someone who has grown up in America saying some nonsensical stuff like Obama. Nevertheless, it seems intriguing that Obama sealed his records. It’s kind of creepy IMHO.
mauipundit on July 20, 2009 at 10:16 PM
“Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”
Congratulations on your mastery of Alinsky’s rules.
powerpro on July 20, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Actually, I think it has more to do with average Americans who have had to produce an actual birth certificate many times for far more trivial reasons. Even if he’s legitimately a natural born American, this thing with him hiding it, and spending real money to do so, smacks of elitism.
Obama works for us, we are not his subjects, he needs to prove his status to us, not hold himself above the requirements that we have to produce for a drivers license.
Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Huck a conservative? Don’t make me laugh.
Johan Klaus on July 20, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Oops, sorry portlandon, that was supposed to be for blatantblue. My bad! I know, the preview button is my friend.
mauipundit on July 20, 2009 at 10:17 PM
My goodness. there is a ton of junk on here. You should not debate this one unless you understand the fundamental questions in this case.
There are legitimate questions and they should be resolved before this becomes a question again.
The questions: Where was O born? Some say HI some say Kenya. Some say that the birth announcement was because the Kenyan birth was trying to be avoided but turned out unavoidable.
Was he an Indonesian citizen(yes) and for how long? Dual citizenship here was not allowed did he ever become a us citizen again? Did he attend Occidental as an Indonesian?
Would you like me to go on?
ORconservative on July 20, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Good God. Are you serious?
Alright then…
what Alaskan governor has recently resigned?
crr6 on July 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM
How many times do I have to say it – there was NO SUCH THING as a multiple-citizen American at the time of the writing of the Constitution, and not for some time after.
Er … if they were immigrants, themselves, then they couldn’t have been ‘natural-born’ Americans in any way whatsoever, now could they?
As to the others, they were treated by the clause “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”.
I never said that. I said that there were no multiple citizens at the time of the ‘natural-born’ clause. Anyone who holds more than American citizenship falls outside of those who were defined by the ‘natural-born’ clause at the time of its writing.
Because he held other citizenships.
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I don’t know where Obama was born, but I’m not too worried that asking questions about his records is making conservatives look bad.
In many minds, we’re already ignorant, intolerant, inbred, hateful, gun-toting, Bible-clinging racists. So let them think we’re kooky, too.
When unemployment, interest rates, and inflation are in double digits, and voters are huddling around barrels of burning dollars to keep warm, no one’s going to remember the questions about Obama’s records and decide to give the Democrats four more years to wreck the country.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM
You do not need to believe in all the crazy stuff to recognize that there is some merit to the case. The term “natural born citizen” has never been defined in the course of a presidential qualification challenge. Therefore, whether a dual citizen at the time of birth would be considered a “natural born citizen” would be an issue of first impression. Anyone who says they know the answer to that question is lying to you. It has never been decided. We have a bunch of decisions dealing with citizenship, but none dealing with “natural born” citizenship. Those cases that have used the term were just being sloppy, using the term interchangeably with citizen at birth, not necessarily the same thing, or as non-precedent dicta. Any case challenging Obama’s qualification would be meritorious on the mere basis that is seeks to determine this unanswered question of law.
On the birth certificate issue. I get it. He was probably born in Hawaii. He has a COLB. It is legitimate and says he was born there. The State of Hawaii has the original and according to the COLB, if we saw the original it to would indicate he was born in Hawaii. However, the COLB, and even the original birth certificate, is a vital record, and vital records only create a rebuttable presumption that the information contained therein is accurate. Such a presumption can be rebutted by other evidence. I think a Kenyan birth is highly unlikely, but I recognize the litigants right to take discovery and present their case.
Until these questions of fact and law are decided, this issue will continue to smolder and it should.
tommylotto on July 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Can you prove that Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S.?
Johan Klaus on July 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I’m just answering your questions. You said he cooked up this conspiracy in 2008 because his presidency was a train wreck in 2009. Sorry your time travel conspiracy theory didn’t hold up, but if you don’t give a rat’s ass what he did in 2008, then don’t bring up things he did in 2008. And I don’t see what this has to do with the level of passion about the deficit. I’ll listen to Coast to Coast and see if I can find out about the connection.
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM
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