Video: Birth certificate Truthers demand action from GOP congressman
posted at 8:30 pm on July 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
The congressman in question? Mike Castle of Delaware, whom you’ll remember for his mavericky maverickness in voting for Obama’s cap-and-trade monstrosity. He got an earful about that too — watch the second clip below — but it’s the Truther spectacle in the first vid that’s getting media attention, natch. Expect these people to play the same role at GOP primary events in 2012 that 9/11 Truthers played at Democratic rallies last year, occasionally cornering the wary candidate with a video camera to ask if he/she “supports a new investigation” and receiving the same vague, wary assurances that of course he/she will be happy to “look into it.” Still, I wonder: Will they disperse and hassle all the candidates equally or, a la Ron Paul, will one candidate catch their fancy and coopt the entire subgroup? I hope Huck and Palin, as the “true conservatives” in the race, are ready to field some awkward questions.
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It works on me. I know he is being less than forthcoming and he isn’t being required to meet the standards of other candidates but you can’t question The Won.
Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM
whats “truther” about demanding a document? At least there is extensive proof about the 9/11 attack’s origins to make those who deny them as “truthers”, but whatever its your show pundit.
Cardiganfox on July 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM
I used to think the issue was a little nutty, but since he still refuses to release his certified birth certificate, it sure looks like he has something to hide.
LASue on July 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Seems to me that scientific evidence the Earth isn’t flat is slightly different than “You must be crazy not to trust this guy, who has proven himself to be so trustworthy.” I’m skeptical about it myself, but the impulse to liken it to 9/11 truthers and such seems silly.
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 9:12 PM
“I did not have birth with that country, Kenya”. Obama has fought every attempt to get access to his birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide then why is he hiding it?
scrubjay on July 20, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Where’s YOUR birth certificate birthers?
Apologetic California on July 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM
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In my fireproof box, along with my passport and my last will and testament. Because that’s how a lot of people take care of their important papers. Others choose to pay for a deposit box at a bank. Some tuck them into the family bible or a hope chest or …
Obama, apparently, did not do any of the above.
Doesn’t matter why.
Mew
acat on July 20, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Wouldn’t that be skirting the edge of renouncing U.S. citizenship which would invalidate a person’s eligibility? Serious question, I don’t know the fine details of dual citizenship.
Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 9:13 PM
It’s one thing if he lost his birth certificate. It is quite another to spend millions fighting the search for it.
At this point, I don’t know how anyone could prove he was not a US born citizen. Even if the Kenyan government claimed he was born there, that too would be ignored. At this point, only an admission by Obama would be proof enough. Short of that, there is no way to prove it. Unfortunately, rather than a candidate needing to prove he was born here, it is left to others to prove a negative. Interesting how that works.
keep the change on July 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Why is Barry Soetoro registered in Indonesia school records as an Indonesia citizen and a muslim?
That document is online as well. The defense? That is the information listed for his father – sometimes the schools did that, we are reassured. It is Indonesia and they are backwards – we can’t really trust their records or our lying eyes telling us Barry Soetoro is an Indonesia citizen.
Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM
I’m not losing sleep over the birth certificate tussle, but the thing that I noticed most about the Internet version I’ve seen is that it described him as “African” instead of “Negro.” Am I remembering that correctly? Seems to me that at that time in history, it would have identified him as “Negro.” Or whatever the term for biracial would have been (mulatto?). An “African” is someone from Africa — could be from one of several races, including white. Just sayin’.
KyMouse on July 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Whatever comes of the birth certificate question (probably not much), what we do know about his background, his record as a legislator, and now his policies as POTUS ought to make every American uneasy.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Agreed.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM
It’s just fair to demand documents from Obama , his career is built on lawfare.
the_nile on July 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM
+1
he could end this right now….unless he is using this as a shield from having to explain anything else his administration is wrecking…
cmsinaz on July 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Constitutional requirements be damned!
I would be shocked if he didn’t have a birth certificate but I am continually disappointed in the mentality of the voter that considers the Constitution DOES. NOT. MATTER.
Hello socialism!
Spirit of 1776 on July 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM
In a cookie tin in a cold storage room. That tin also contains my baptism record, my immunization records, and all the credit cards I no longer use. Obama should take a note.
keep the change on July 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM
I would like to see how many classes young Barry took from grad student Ayers, or how many of his courses were those bullshat “social justice” type.
Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM
There is a big debate in the comments section over at the Daily Beast about Obama’s birth certificate, etc.
As is pointed out in the comments, apparently Obama received college scholarships as a non-U.S. citizen. This has yet to be explained by Obama. If that is true, then Obama is a liar and a cheat any which way you look at it.
I’m not a birther, but that tidbit of info. does raise my eyebrows some.
KickandSwimMom on July 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM
I’m with you on the transcript thing. Those are what I really want to see.
chemman on July 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Heh. As usual no need to comment when Treach is here. That’s well said.
Spirit of 1776 on July 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM
This really isn’t a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories involve several levels of nuance where the main conspiracy can never be disproven because there will be a dozen other things to point to.
This is one single issue that can be easily cleared up. Obama just needs to whip out his birth certificate at a press conference, show it to the camera and we’d be done with that. I don’t see what the big deal is for him to do that unless he doesn’t have one and is not a natural born citizen.
cadams on July 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Americans can hold dual nationality, so long as the other nation allows them to hold their American citizenship. But dual nationality for Americans didn’t exist when the Founders wrote ‘natural-born’ which, at the time they wrote it, meant that someone was American and nothing but American. The SCOTUS needs to rule on the defintion of ‘natural-born’, but what I have said is the only reasonable definition. Of course, everyone refused to tackle this during the campaign, so now we are stuck with someone occupying the White House who clearly falls outside of the Constitutional requirement that the Founders had intended (by my thinking).
Otherwise, people would have to say that they have no problem with a US President who also happens to hold Russian citizenship, Chinese citizenship, and whatever other citizenships he might have picked (and might further pick up while in the Presidency!!). I can’t believe that anyone would argue in favor of such a situation.
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Enough.
I’d rather know about what he did at Occidental College and his time at Columbia University when Ayers was in NYC.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Yeah, the Constitution is so 18th century. We’ve moved beyond that. Try to keep up. Start with Das Kapital, Comrade.
/sarc
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM
In my important documents file.
powerpro on July 20, 2009 at 9:20 PM
GARRRRHH!!
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Yet, not one person can remember hussein or his mother living at that address, any utilities in her name, a rental agreement,..anything?
Maybe we could just see the birth certificate hussein used for his passport, his drivers license, come to think of it, I’ve yet to see a picture of hussein driving a car,..only a bicycle….ar,ar
christene on July 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM
atheling on July 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Oh god, enough with this birth certificate hysteria. Obama is a legal U.S. citizen. Not only does this hint at xenophobia, but it also alienates anyone who wants to legitimately criticize Obama. It’s embarrassing.
“Why won’t Obama release it then, huff puff!?”
Um…didn’t he already?
While we are at it, lets release…again in some cases…
UFO records
Moon landing records
JFK assassin records (you know, not that hundreds of hundreds already released, the “secret” ones)
9/11 re-investigation
Oh wait, you mean to tell me I can’t satisfy every conspiracy theorist because in some cases nothing convinces them? That they are so determined that their sanity is clouded by their logic.
Damn. Guess I will have to continue to roll my eyes.
DanStark on July 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Das Kapital? More like a Dora The Explorer coloring book.
Cardiganfox on July 20, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Silly, but intended to get people to drop the argument. Birthers and Truthers have nothing in common. Truthers saw live or on video the planes crashing into the WTC. Birthers havent’s seen jack s&%t yet.
I just have the same single question that goes unanswered everytime one of these discussions come around.
What’s on Obama’s birth certificate that makes it such a top secret document?
But I’m crazy for asking it. It’s not like Democrats would every try to pull anything on the American public. Take the stimulus bill for instance, see how good that’s working out with the shovel ready jobs popping up all over the place, those who need the money most getting it first, and our jobless rate holding firmly under 8% because we spent all that money to make it all happen…… /s
Hog Wild on July 20, 2009 at 9:22 PM
It all seems a bit loony to me. At the same time though, I think it would be best of he just released his actual birth certificate and let it rest.
The left was going crazy for G.W.’s National Guard records until he released them and found…… nothing of interest at all. Dan Rather probably cried himself to sleep over that one.
Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Surely all these claims could be easily verified or debunked, couldn’t they?
Why, I’m sure their are records that Barry could present to prove to us all how horribly mistaken these racist conspiracy theorists who have BO are?
Oh……that’s right. The records DO exist, and Barry has sealed them away from the public eye.
He is fighting over a dozen court cases that only seek to verify his eligibility – but people searching for the truth are somehow only fighting some grand conspiracy that isn’t really there trying to stop them from discovering the truth.
Those are imaginary judges and courts telling them they have no standing to know the truth.
The Pentagon didn’t really revoke a soldiers deployment orders rather than prove Obama’s eligibility in a court of law.
I mean the information is already out there that proves his eligibility we are told. Proof shouldn’t be a hard thing to prove if the proof is posted on the internet and it’s already been verified by FactCheck.org. What court in the land could possibly deny the overwhelming evidence ‘proving’ his eligibility, right?
Face it – he is an usurper and not everyone is willing to just conveniently forget that fact. He needs to be exposed and removed from office.
Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM
How do birthers explain that both of Honolulu’s major newspapers announced the birth of Barack Obama on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu? Is this part of the cover up?
Being loud and passionate doen’t mean you have a point.
RayinVA on July 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Maybe he is a U.S. citizen and that would make his agenda all the more insidious. Wouldn’t you rather be destroyed by a foreigner than a U.S. citizen.
fourdeucer on July 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Evidently you didn’t get the memo. Borders are oppressive. Nationalism equals endless war.
We’re all children of Mother Earth, should share a common currency, and need to be ruled by the righteous hand of the United Nations, which itself should be ruled by one Man.
He, the Enlightened One, will end the ‘tyranny of oil,’ redistribute the wealth of the greedy Western capitalists, and end the financial conspiracy of the Jews and Zionists.
/SARC
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM
I guess no one heard Rush today say “Obama still hasn’t proven that he is even a citizen”.
The issue is there and it is real. Equating people that want to see constitutional requirements met with moon landing and 9/11 truthers is sad.
Calling these people truthers doesn’t somehow get you credit with the state run media.
I feel personally that one day in the future it will come to light that Obama was never constitutionally qualified to be President and every action he took was illegal and illegitimate, and this will throw the US law and international agreements into total disarray.
If I am wrong, it could all be settled very simply. Why not do it and shut up all the “truthers”?
WHy do sites like HotAir cover for this guy? What has he done to prove that he IS a citizen?
I think most rational people just refuse to believe he is unqualified because in their minds, ‘No one could scam the system all the way to the presidency, could they??’
Could they? What was stopping him? If no one did their homework in the Illinois state senate, why would the US senate assume they didn’t already check the guy out? And therefore why wouldn’t he be qualified to be president? Someone must have checked him out, right?
I think Illinois dropped the ball originally.
And I think Obama lives in constant fear of the day this comes to light.
dip it in cider on July 20, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Hollowpoint at 8:41
Go to http://tinyurl.com/3ha2j6 Trace the circle on the top fold and on the bottom fold. Compare.
Then take a piece of paper, tri-fold it, draw circles placed the same place as on that photographed paper. Hold that paper against your computer screen so the edge of your paper matches the edge of the paper on the screen. There’s a specific angle the folds need to be at and the right side of the page needs to be closer to you. Try as many ways as you can to get everything to line up. I think you’ll find there’s only one way that can work. When you get it matched up, take a photo. Then trace the circles like you did before. Compare them with what was on the posted photo. Tell me what you find. Why do you think that is?
Then look at http://tinyurl.com/3hqg6l Look immediately under the bottom fold. What do you see? Now look back at the first page you looked at and see what it has immediately under the bottom fold. Notice anything? If you like, use a black marker to make some lines on your sheet of paper where the lines of print are and then try photographing it where you’re looking down the fold like the second photo. See if you can get the same result as in the posted photo. Tell me your results.
That’s a start. We can discuss it from there.
justincase on July 20, 2009 at 9:24 PM
I’ll write you a note so you can show your face in public, again. Poor baby.
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Um … no.
Geez, I can’t even get a Pop Tarts rebate without sending in the ORIGINAL receipt. What is so difficult about this? Who the hell goes to court to fight showing a birth certificate?
OK, I mean, who besides Obama?
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:24 PM
What is the big deal about showing his birth certificate? Just do it. We either have a Constitution or we don’t. Looks like we don’t. He has to fulfil certain Constitutional requirements. I’ve always felt this was a big deal. He has spend over a million dollars to fight it. These are not the actions of an honest man. We know he lies constantly. Inquiring minds need to know.
BetseyRoss on July 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
I’m sorry but this is the stupidest response in the thread. I’ll tell you what. Post your address and I’ll send a copy to you. How’s that? You have guts enough to backup your profoundly stupid comment? Never mind I changed my mind because I’m not going to get anything going with the lamest, dumbest troll of the night. You are no better then the morons that go into a Star trek forum and post Star Trek sucks. If you were a member of my forum I’d ban you on principle just for being so lame. I fear for the future of this planet.
jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
I think its like any sort of conspiracy theory. The more Obama refuses to address it, the more people become convinced that there has to be something there that he doesn’t want us to see.
Oh but the Trig Palin “birther” thing was totally legitimate. You got to remember that. We are the only unhinged ones.
Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
im gonna do my best to avoid this thread
not doing well
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
He was a volunteer. He could have said no at any point and he did. The military said Okey-Dokey and some poor enlisted grunt got sent in his place.
It’s not a story the guy was a coward and should be friggin court martialed.
That’s why “most” right wing blogs didn’t bring it up.
harry on July 20, 2009 at 9:25 PM
It’s very much a conspiracy theory. Proving beyond any doubt that he’s a natural born citizen would be nearly impossible. There would still be those “just asking questions”.
The President of the United States couldn’t conjure up a fake birth certificate if he really wanted to? How would showing his birth certificate change anything in the minds of the Birthers if it revealed nothing of interest?
If there’s something embarrassing concerning his birth certificate that falls short of making him ineligible for office, you can bet that he’d try keep it under wraps.
Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 9:26 PM
I guess for me it is just the snow ball effect off all that is off limits when it comes to this president. Add to that the media, who will dumpster dive in a N.Y. minute for someone who doesn’t fall into their ideology and you have the makings of real life mystery. Has there been another president or candidate that the press excepted a “He’s just the picture of health” from their doctor? Oh, wait, I think Pres. Clinton got that treatment also.
Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 9:26 PM
His orders were cut, and you are wrong.
Amadeus on July 20, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Watching the man-child who resides in the WH systematically destroying our country piece by piece is the reason why our founders designed the eligibility issue the way they did.
They knew how easy it would be to destroy this country from the inside out by allowing disloyal and traitorous men to rise up through the system.
Oh look! They were right!
katy on July 20, 2009 at 9:27 PM
In a folder about 30 feet from where I am now sitting.
It’s not like it is an uncommon thing to have.
Stupid question – typical of the people who want to ignore important questions and are only willing to insult and belittle rather than engage in debate or learn some facts.
Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Umm. I think in a file in my house marked “documentation”, next to “immigration”. You want to see my dad’s naturalization certificate too? How about my degree? Then again, I’m just Joe Schmoe here, not like I’m the president or anything.
Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 9:27 PM
I have never understood what the “birther” contention is… are they saying that a US citizen who is pregnant and gives birth while overseas has given birth to a non-citizen?!? Are they saying that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii as seems to be the inarguable reality?
DaveS on July 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM
I ended up with an origami swan. Did I do it right?
Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Why do you refuse to answer the simple question about multiple citizenship, and the Presidency, that I asked you TWICE on the last page?
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM
I don’t think it is in BOTH papers. It was an announcement in one paper – but big deal.
It didn’t really say jack squat about the birth – and it’s no official document that proves anything.
It’s like using a craigslist poosting or a twitter as ‘official proof’ something happened. It’s not an acceptable source of proof.
Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 9:30 PM
My B?C is in the closet. The other presidents were never asked for their proof of citizenship because it was never in question. You also owe someone an apology.
thomasaur on July 20, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Also, this is sufficiently stupid that no President of the United States should ever even contemplate dignifying it with a response.
If you want to be a conspiracy nut–despite the overwhelming evidence that he was born in the US–its on you to prove whatever it is you are alleging.
DaveS on July 20, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I wouldn’t equate wanting to see his records (or wondering why he won’t release them and put this to rest) with xenophobia.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Don’t bother, man
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I don’t think you’ve thought this through.
DaveS on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Thought you were staying out of this thread.
BadgerHawk on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Wow, a real adult conversation….after the Palin thread and Loadrus, I am thrilled……
I want to see his BC and his college transcripts…if he didn’t smoke ‘em or snort em’.
HornetSting on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Man I love that lady. She’s passionate and I love how she managed to lead them all in the pledge of allegiance.
But his citizenship isn’t in question – it’s his being native born in America.
That being said, I also question this and his need to keep blocking this. If he’s so concerned about our country’s debt, why does he keep spending our money to block these people out of court instead of just showing the damn thing?
It’s just that simple. If American soldiers can go die for this country, he should at least hold a press conference and show of his birth certificate.
therightscoop on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Okay, there. No one needs to prove his Constitutional eligibility. As long as people vote for someone he is IN. Why do we bother having a Constitution, at all?
progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
LEAVE OUR KOOKS ALONE!
faraway on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Pay attention:
Hussein could clear this all up, release a legitimate copy of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Hussein has locked up ALL HIS RECORDS, every record that could prove his birth place is locked away.
Apparently this is worth (hussein) fighting in court to keep the records sealed!
christene on July 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Have you weighed in on this, bb? Curious what you think.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM
-both his parents were us citizens (his daddy was head of teh CIA, remember?) W could be born on mars and he’d be a citizen
-born in Hope, Arkansas. went to school in Hot Springs & Hope. Met JFK at BoysNation in the famous photo. more importantly, he traveled abroad to Moscow, so he had to have us passport & clearance to do so in the 1960s.
-again, I think the HEAD OF THE CIA undergoes a “background check” right?
-presumably, as an Illinois kid, there would be many friends of young Ronnie that remembered his childhood nickname “Dutch”
-again, as a governor from Georgia he would have lifelong friends that could claim his birth memories. he also served on a NUCLEAR SUB in the navy, which i assume again, might be a bit discrminating in the cold war on who they let close to red october.
-born in 1732, he was born a citizen of the British CROWN. upon the treaty of paris (and, for practical purposes, from 1776 onward) he was a citizen of virginia. upon the constitution in 1789, he was a citizen of the united states.
in a safe deposit box, like a normal person
IDIOT!!!!
-Where are Obama’s childhood friends?
-Where are Obama’s MOTHER & FATHER’S FRIENDS that were friends when Obama was born?
-I could tell you 30 people minimum from my parents’ circle of friends, from our church, from our neighborhood, etc, that would remember seeing me as an infant IN THE UNITED STATES. i know the name of the doctor that delivered me. if someone said “hey! you were born in greenland!” i would say “ask person X, Y, Z, A, B, C, ……. and they’ll tell you they remember me”……….
……………………….FOR OBAMA, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT “REMEMBER HIS BIRTH” ARE HIS GRANDMA WHO SAYS IT WAS IN KENYA, AN AMBASSADOR WHO SAYS IT WAS IN KENYA, ETC
I’ll give you a trillion dollars if you can tell me one single person that remembers “infant barack” at the hospital or at home in Hawai’i. Surely his mother’s church, circle of friends, coworkers, etc woudl remember, right?????????
$1,000,000,000.00 AWAITS YOU!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
It must be in the same supersecret lockbox that his transcripts are.
All Obama has to do is to produce it, like any other President would be expected to.
It’s just more of his pathetic arrogance.
By the way, where is Kerry’s 180?
TexasJew on July 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
I’ll bet he’ll produce a letter from the doctor that delivered him. That worked out fine with his medical records.
Do I smell smoke at the Hawaii records department? I think I DO.
darwin-t on July 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM
tried
I personally am skeptical of things like this, especially when they are received quite well by some leading 9/11 Truthers. I’m open to the possibility to him not being a citizen, but I see some of the same things going on here that I’ve seen in the 9/11 discussion:
Person A makes a claim. Person B provides evidence to the contrary. Person A comes up with a new claim.
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 9:36 PM
OK. Forget the BC, it’s a Rahm smokescreen.
Citizenship is the issue.
Triple citizen at birth – US (mother), UK and Kenya (father)
Lost Kenyan citizenship at age 21.
He likely became an Indonesian citizen at age 8. Indonesian law required him to give up his US citizenship.
He likely used his Indonesian passport to fly to Pakistan in 1980.
His (missing) college transcripts may provide clues.
faraway on July 20, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Yes thats what they are saying, I thought it pretty silly until the soldier had his orders revoked because he sought to verify 0bama’s eligibility. Thats unprecidented. Either Obama deliver a birth certificate or throw this POS soldier in the brig. YOU CANT CHALLENGE THE CIC AS A SOLDIER AND IT GO UNANSWERED, IT WILL CREATE INSTABILITY IN THE RANKS. PERIOD.
Amadeus on July 20, 2009 at 9:36 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
What did I say before about people be so determined that their sanity….oh forget it. Ha.
Answer me this Birth truthers, why would Obama’s mother go out of her way to go to another country (obviously with a less superior medical system than the U.S., I’m guessing truthers are claiming it’s Kenya?) to give birth to Obama? Then try to sneak in the United States, baby in hand, to get a phony certificate? Give me a break. It’s not logical.
DanStark on July 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Why are people that want to see the BC on the BO called “Truthers”? It’s a legitimate demand, consider it’s a requirement to be POTUS and we haven’t seen it yet.
ErinF on July 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Dave S:
Assuming for the moment that there is nothing on the sealed birth certificate itself that would render Obama in eligible, why doesn’t he just get on with it and show it? Of course there will be some lunatic fringe that wouldn’t be satisfied, but 99.999% of Americans will just shrug and say “welp, guess he was legal after all…”
When has Obama ever passed up an opportunity to make the otherside look extreme, partisan, and irrational? Yet, he is SILENT on this matter and is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight this issue tooth and nail. It doesn’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense…
Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Personally, my contention is that he’s been asked to show his original birth certificate and he won’t. That’s undeniably the case. Not a happy ad from a newspaper. Not a document that says the other document exists. Not a validation from a governor who hasn’t seen the document. He has relatives who say he was born in Kenya and so I want to see the paper. What is so odd about that? And no, if he was born in Kenya in 1961, he would not be a US citizen.
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Why would someone like Soros invest all that time and money in a plan with such an obvious flaw.
Logic suggests that Obama is eligible to hold office. Logic also suggests that there is something in the full birth certificate he does not want seen.
Ahem, if you are Soros and you’re trying to buy the presidency, would it not be best to have insurance that it stays bought? That’s how blackmail works.
Archimedes on July 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM
AP,
Have you noticed that the majority of your readers are about as dubious of Obama’s status as an American citizen as the loony lady in the clip? Have any of you ever stopped to think that maybe Obama keeps the certificate hidden just so you idiots will keep demanding it, thereby painting all conservatives as somewhat wacky and maybe just a little racist?..”the first black president can’t be legitimate…he’s not even an American!!!” Keep it up cons.
underceij on July 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM
He wouldn’t lie about porkulus.
He wouldn’t lie about health care.
He wouldn’t lie about cap and trade.
He wouldn’t lie about immigration.
He wouldn’t lie to the Pope about abortion.
He wouldn’t lie about Bill Ayers
He wouldn’t lie about Rev. Right
He wouldn’t lie about nationalizing the auto industry.
fourdeucer on July 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM
I didn’t really get the question.
You’re suggesting there’s a possibility that his birth certificate listed citizenship in another country, and were that true he’d be ineligible?
For starters, does a birth certificate even list foreign citizenship? How exactly would someone be a dual-citizen upon being born? Did he swear an oath of citizenship to Indonesia while residing in his mother’s uterus?
And were it somehow true, how would it change anything? The Constitution is pretty clear on the point that if you’re born on US soil, you’re a natural born citizen regardless of what citizenship your parents hold.
Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM
No one is concerned with those and your ability to roll your eyes does not impress anyone in my household. Is this issue so fraking important to you that you have to belittle those that it is important to? If you don’t care then way bother to comment? Maybe just to confirm to yourself how cool you are at commenting? Why do you care about the people that care? Are you dumb enough to really believe that the “birthers” have so much political power that they are damaging the cause?
jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM
yes he would
faraway on July 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM
…but the President of the United States doesn’t?
MadisonConservative on July 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Second that!!!
Keemo on July 20, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Didn’t I read somewhere that he took financial aid that was only for ‘foreign students’?
HornetSting on July 20, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I guarantee Mr. Castle will not be holding another townhall any time soon.
txag92 on July 20, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I think he’s just trying to keep everyone sounding nice and truthery for a while in order to discredit his critics in general. I’m pretty sure the president has the resources at his disposal to produce a pretty convincing fake, even if there was no real birth certificate. Then Axelrod could show up on Fox News Sunday and dash a lot of hopes and dreams, but instead they would rather have a certain segment of “conservatives” banging the conspiracy drum.
vitocorleone99 on July 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Heh.
MadisonConservative on July 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I might consider it, if it wasn’t coming from a Moby like you.
Jim Treacher on July 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I’m skeptical, too. But answering your question, as a citizen Obama’s mother could have him anywhere, and he would still be a citizen–just not a natural-born citizen (as required by the Constitution). No need to sneak into the U.S. to get a phony birth certificate.
Or maybe she had him in Hawaii.
My guess is that this will never get enough attention to elicit a response from the White House. But they’ve proved themselves a corrupt, dishonest bunch, with no shortage of skeletons in the closet. If he was born in Hawaii (as I suspect), I don’t understand why he’s fought so hard to keep his records under wraps, or why he won’t produce a birth certificate and humiliate his critics on this.
jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Not in the same way. To whom does the responsibility fall?
I would guess the original intent would be that the states would verify all requirements before a candidate was put on the ballot and that it would be verified by the Electoral College. But that wasn’t established in ink.
So no, there is not a chain of responsibility. That’s why copies and newspaper articles are the center of arguments, not the the EC saying, the candidate has been verified.
Spirit of 1776 on July 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Why is Barry Soetoro registered in Indonesia school records as an Indonesia citizen and a muslim?
That document is online as well. The defense? That is the information listed for his father – sometimes the schools did that, we are reassured. It is Indonesia and they are backwards – we can’t really trust their records or our lying eyes telling us Barry Soetoro is an Indonesia citizen.
Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM
I was under the understanding that the representitve from American Somoa had made a “donation” to the catholic school in Indo. and secured said doc’s. Gotta link? I’d love to see whatevers there that is from Indo, I’ve been able to find zip!
Archimedes on July 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM
He has relatives who say he was not born in the US. It’s hardly insane to demand definitive proof to the contrary. I don’t know what it says on his original birth certificate, and really, it’s not my burden to guess.
Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Yeah, it’s so stupid… Why not just say you want Obama to obtain and produce his birth certificate. What is the big deal?
RightWinged on July 20, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Archimedes:
There are any number of Dems that would do the same things Obama is doing (or worse) if given the opportunity by someone like Soros. Pols without the baggage of a questionable citizenship status…
What you’re discounting is that someone outside the “blackmail” discloses O’s citizenship status. Someone always talks, even if Soros tries to buy off all sorts of people…
Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I was following you right up until you called everyone cons. Why don’t you go debate in one of the health care threads, or maybe a thread on the deficit? It must hurt to have you demigod slowly morph into a walking punchline right before your very eyes.
BadgerHawk on July 20, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Pretty simple to stop this madness in it’s tracks..
The WH simply needs to provide the facts, the proof, the goods that this man is a natural born US citizen and therefore is perfectly legal to be the Commander of our military and fearless leader of our people.
Wonder why that hasn’t happened?
Keemo on July 20, 2009 at 9:45 PM
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