Video: Birth certificate Truthers demand action from GOP congressman

posted at 8:30 pm on July 20, 2009 by Allahpundit

The congressman in question? Mike Castle of Delaware, whom you’ll remember for his mavericky maverickness in voting for Obama’s cap-and-trade monstrosity. He got an earful about that too — watch the second clip below — but it’s the Truther spectacle in the first vid that’s getting media attention, natch. Expect these people to play the same role at GOP primary events in 2012 that 9/11 Truthers played at Democratic rallies last year, occasionally cornering the wary candidate with a video camera to ask if he/she “supports a new investigation” and receiving the same vague, wary assurances that of course he/she will be happy to “look into it.” Still, I wonder: Will they disperse and hassle all the candidates equally or, a la Ron Paul, will one candidate catch their fancy and coopt the entire subgroup? I hope Huck and Palin, as the “true conservatives” in the race, are ready to field some awkward questions.


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screw him he should have to face his constituents especially since he so cavalierly decided to blow off their concerns on Porkulus and Crap’nTrade if memory serves….

if a guy can cave on those both I don’t give a damn about “better to have a guy with you 40% of the time than against you 100″….

sven10077 on July 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM

You’re just finding this? Wasn’t this all over Twitter and Drudge yesterday?

At any rate, lately I find myself sliding towards Birtherism. Why won’t The One just get his birth certificate? Shouldn’t there be some documentation of what hospital he was born in, the doctor, etc.? He’s f-ing POTUS, shouldn’t be that difficult to obtain.

Also, while I haven’t seen the claim substantiated, I’ve read that non-citizens HAVE received the “certificate of live birth” in Hawaii which is all he’s produced.

RightWinged on July 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Silly campers. When you ascend from the heavens, you have no “birth certificate.”

Sugar Land on July 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM

This moron voted for Crap&Trade, and he has no reason to tell people that The Precedent should not have to prove his eligibility. But .. this tool thinks that CO2 drives climate and is willing to kill the US economy for the sake of some moronic theory that he could never explain nor understand. He is a tool. Back in the old days I think they would have pelted this moron with rotten tomatoes.

I do think I saw a few pitchforks in the back row … You can only push the people so far.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM

There are no legitimate questions about who destroyed the World Trade Center. The facts are known.

The are legitimate questions about Obama’s birth certificate. The facts are unknown.

FreeThinkerNYC on July 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM

“When you ascend from the heavens”

Sugar Land on July 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM

If he ascended to earth, he’s from somewhere else.

ROCnPhilly on July 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM

can you say passionate….

alexraye on July 20, 2009 at 8:39 PM

ROCnPhilly on July 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM

The holy birth certificate?

FontanaConservative on July 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM

I see three issues here…

1. The tax and cap sellout
2. Obama’s actual birth certificate
3. A rino having to face folk for his votes

The last bit is the big story. If backstabbing weasels had to face their voters now and again, they would behave like public servants and not demi-God’s.

This fellow is in BIG trouble but has a year to make good. If not he could be an unemployed Demi-God…

JIMV on July 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM

I liked the way Castle had to ask handler how to respond.

guntotinglibertarian on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

But… they’re “just asking questions” concerning a grand conspiracy involving multiple Hawaiian government officials and newspaper editors (among others).

The 1961 birth announcement in the Hawaiian paper? Just goes to prove how deep the conspiracy really goes.

Until the Birthers can come up with some compelling evidence, they really do need to keep the crazy to themselves.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Don’t insult these people by calling them “Truthers.”
Where is the birth certificate?? Why not just produce one?

JellyToast on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

I see this as no different then when the National Guard records not to mention the collage grades and medical records for Bush were demanded. How about his arrest records? All of those were demanded of Bush and chewed up a lot of media time including the NG memo crap. Military, finance, medical and school records were demanded during the former elections and freely given. Well not all as there was an issue with Kerry. Why does BO get a pass and why are the people demanding the records suddenly nut cases? Want to shut them up and completely embarrass them? Release the records and it’s end of story and end of game.

jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

If he ascended to earth, he’s from somewhere else.

ROCnPhilly on July 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM

So, your point is that he knows the hot spots in the globe?

ericdijon on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

*groan*

BadgerHawk on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Its more significant that Lou Dobbs is dribbling this than some Jane Citizen.

And of course Obama could easily end it if he wants to.

Amadeus on July 20, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Constitutional Crisis.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

That young lady had enough passion to get the whole crowd to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. I applaud her.

fourdeucer on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Really, Obama should pony up his real birth certificate. That he’s spent over a million bucks to keep it hidden, tells me that there’s something that needs to be hidden.

But I’m just one of those “nerthers” or whatever the pejorative term for that is.

Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Super…just super…

Burning birth certificates can’t melt steel.

Geez….

SteveMG on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Why is Obama so secretive about his birth certificate and dropped the case against the soldier who questioned his origin of birth?
There ARE legitimate questions about his birth origin. Lou Dobbs is even questioning it.

jencab on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Awesome,
I think there soon will be a wave of servicemen that we sit down till the pretender produces the document.

TheSitRep on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

RightWinged on July 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM

I’m with you. I ask myself, if Bozo would just spend $10 on a birth certificate, it’d put this all to bed. Plus, you would think the attending physician would have said something by now. There’s a reason he’s hiding all of his records.

A commentor on another thread said that Bozo doesn’t release his information because it makes the “nutroots” look even nuttier. I don’t buy that.

txag92 on July 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM

I’m a proud, red blooded, American birther!

….you gotta problem wit dat?

katy on July 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM

There’s always a reason when Dems won’t release documents:

The Clintons with Whitewater
Chris Dodd’s mortgage records
John Kerry’s war records
Michelle Obama’s senior thesis

It never ends with these crooks

guntotinglibertarian on July 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM

She may not have been polished,, but at least she had the courage to stand up and speak out. It was wonderful!
Let it spread, baby, let it spread.

JellyToast on July 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Concerning the Presidency, the burden is not on the citizenry to prove that someone is ineligible, the burden is on the individual taking the Presidency to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible. PERIOD.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Immaculate Deception.

fogw on July 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Ugh. Screeching women making nonsenisical points are terrible, even if they direct their anger at my nemesis.

Seriously, with all the real crap to harp on Obama about, this stuff? It’s wrong headed, debunked, and conterproductive.

But enough of that….

WHERE IS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM

TheSitRep on July 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Leave it to the military to do the right thing. I wonder what Bozo would do if all service people declined to be deployed until he coughed up his bc.

txag92 on July 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM

It would be a political in your face to the “fringe right” for Obama to whip out definitive documentary proof of his eligibility to hold office. (Beyond the HI Certificate of Live Birth we’ve already seen…)

Obama can’t resist rubbing an opponents face in it. See, Demint, Jim. Why the sudden bout of forbearance on this issue?

There is a one in a million shot that Obama’s presidency is the biggest fraud in modern human history.

However, I’m of the opinion that O’s “full” birth certificate, while containing nothing that would render him ineligible to hold office, would cause POTUS a certain degree of embarassment and raise some questions as to how seriously he was vetted by the press. Something along the lines of “Uncle Frank” was actually “Dad…”

Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Hey, since this confrontation with Castle happened in Delaware, are you sure these people aren’t secretly a bunch of home-state Joe Biden cultists who are trying to figure out a backdoor way to get their man into the presidency?

jon1979 on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

wow, big divide among commenters on this one

RightWinged on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

txag92 on July 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I seriously doubt that would ever happen. After all there are some obamaheads in the military.

boomer on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Troofers are just plain morons and can’t accept the scale of 911 but Gawd…I feel odd just for saying it but I can see how birtherism can catch on, Ogabe won’t produce a single document from anywhere.

The POTUS should have to have every paper he ever so much as scratched a pencil line on be entered into the public record, yet Ogabe won’t release anything. Nothing. How can the leader of our nation get away without producing his college transcripts?

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Concerning the Presidency, the burden is not on the citizenry to prove that someone is ineligible, the burden is on the individual taking the Presidency to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible. PERIOD.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM

At this point, no amount of proof would be accepted by the Birther crowd just as the evidence concerning 9/11 will never be accpepted by the Truther idiots.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Well, somebody could always ask his grandma. She would know.
Oh wait,, she died on the eve of the election. Go figure.

JellyToast on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

The difference between “birth certificate truthers” and other “-ers” is that there isn’t a shred of evidence to contradict the former. Obama has actually gone to court to prevent that. So to lump them in with others who simply deny reality is dishonest.

Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM

After he produces it and it stand the riggers of laboratory analysis, I will apologize.

TheSitRep on July 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Maybe that is why he wants the illegal aliens to get free health care. Now there is a conspiracy!

fourdeucer on July 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Oh NOW you try to gravy train onto the story.

Where has Hot Air been all along? Enough of the lies about his eligibility being ‘proven’. FAR FROM IT!.

Once you learn the facts and see the evidence you see a whole lot more suggesting Zero DOES NOT meet the eligibility requirements – and YES that IS one HELL of a big deal.

…and stop trying to belittle the movement as a ‘conspiracy theory’ while you willingly ignore the facts and tell us it does not matter.

It is a serious issue that deserves a serious discussion of the facts – and the only side I see willing to do that is the side questioning his eligibility.

I only see the other side belittle those that question his eligibility – and if they do discuss the facts they only acknowledge the small portion of the truth that supports their view. The rest is summarily discarded.

Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM

As stupid as this is, why in the world let it go on? He obviously had to show documentation for passports and security clearances. The best that I can come up with is that his father isn’t noted on the original and he isn’t releasing it out of respect for his parent. Or maybe there is some kind of political advantage to have a group of crazies dedicated to hounding you. Goodness knows W had more than his quota.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Hoo boy.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM

There is a one in a million shot that Obama’s presidency is the biggest fraud in modern human history.

Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Statistics will prove your theory wrong. Without a doubt this presidency is the biggest fraud in modern history.

ericdijon on July 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM

How can the leader of our nation get away without producing his college transcripts?

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Simple: Democrat-appointed judges on the Federal bench.

guntotinglibertarian on July 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Wow, that 2nd clip is downright scary and insulting to the voters’ intelligence.

SouthernGent on July 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM

At this point, no amount of proof would be accepted by the Birther crowd

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

That’s a lie.

Produce a valid birth certificate for Obama, the entire issue dies the same day.

Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM

I think we should take Obama’s word for it when he says he’s an American citizen. After all, hasn’t he been totally and completely honest with us about everything else? He is truly a man of his word.

/mega sarc

backwoods conservative on July 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM

wow, big divide among commenters on this one

RightWinged on July 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM

There always is when it comes to The Precedent’s ineligibility. You have the one side who doesn’t want the birth certificate talked about and have no problem with multiple-citizens being President, and they will start calling those of us who think that ‘natural-born citizen’ means someone who was born American, and has never held any other citizenship, awful names in about 5 minutes. They get very upset that anyone would want a person to prove his COnstitutional eligibility.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM

I have strong suspicions regarding his birth place but I do not think it will proven either way

CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM

I want very much not to be a conspiracy theorist–I’m too smart and too educated for that. And the Hawaiian newspaper announcement would settle it for me.

But why won’t they produce the birth certificate? They could make a great show of it, laugh at those who doubted, and paint all conservatives as kooks.

And what about college transcripts? Every other white collar gov’t job requires transcripts be submitted; why not POTUS?

jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 8:52 PM

As stupid as this is, why in the world let it go on? He obviously had to show documentation for passports and security clearances

Sure, he didn’t just come out of nowhere to be President.

But try to convince our friends here of this fact…

Sigh…

SteveMG on July 20, 2009 at 8:52 PM

LOL Nirthers….

harry on July 20, 2009 at 8:54 PM

The difference between “birth certificate truthers” and other “-ers” is that there isn’t a shred of evidence to contradict the former. Obama has actually gone to court to prevent that. So to lump them in with others who simply deny reality is dishonest.

Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM

The certificate vouched for by the Governor of Hawaii and the newspaper birth announcement in 1961 don’t count as even “a shred of evidence”?

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to disapprove of Obama and seek his defeat in 2012. The Birther thing only serves to make conservatives look deranged.

It really isn’t much different from the Truther crowd- they’ll claim that we can’t prove that terrorists actually flew the planes, or weren’t doing so in collusion with the government.

Obama could release his birth certificate tomorrow and it would only fuel 10,000 claims that it was really a fake.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Funny how you guys completely ignored the story about the soldier who HAD HIS ORDERS REVOKED simply because he sought to verify 0bama’s eligibility to be CIC?

Lou Dobbs even is starting to ask questions – and Hot Air still was silent.

I swear to God 0bama could be declared ineligible by the SCOTUS and dragged out of the WH and some news outlets are still going to refuse to cover the story.

Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Lol @ this tool saying he reads all legislation he votes on.

Lol and Cry. :(

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM

I do not care where Obama was born.

I do not care whether Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii or not.

It. Does. Not. Matter.

However, it may be a hell of a lot easier on the country for the Supremes to say “Hmmm, ineligible by way of birth” than yet another impeachment.

Mew

acat on July 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM

I’d like to see his birth certificate and his Indonesian passport.

Philly on July 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Is it possible that Obama himself doesn’t know where he was born?

It makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than arguing that Obama is some sort of Manchurian Candidate. Why would someone like Soros invest all that time and money in a plan with such an obvious flaw.

Logic suggests that Obama is eligible to hold office. Logic also suggests that there is something in the full birth certificate he does not want seen.

Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM

So you think the Founders meant to include mutliple citizens as eligible for the Presidency? You are aware that Americans could not hold other citizenships at the time of the ‘natural-born’ writing?

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

I’m getting the feeling that people just don’t think that proving citizenship to your employers, i.e. the American people is important. The people concerned about the inability to produce a readily available document are called nut jobs. Yeah we all band together here to denounce BO and his policies but don’t ever dare question him not providing a readily available document that most people are required to produce many times during their life. Yup we don’t like BO but lets all keep it to ourselves because like you know we don’t want to upset BO or his followers because that just wouldn’t be mature of us. Also if any of us stray from the path make sure to join forces with the liberals to condemn and belittle that person. Otherwise the liberal may not like you and that just not good.
This is no different then the both conservatives and liberals ganging up on Palin. If fact I’m reluctant to even call many people here conservatives because when push comes to shove they side with the liberals. Tell me again how conservatives will raise up if BO pulls a coup. In our dreams because if this place is a slice of conservatism then it will never happen and I fully expect a great many conservative to quickly side with the liberals.

jmarcure on July 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

As stupid as this is, why in the world let it go on? He obviously had to show documentation for passports and security clearances

Where, in Illinois? Shoot, throw some C-notes on the desk on an alderman and you could literally pay the right people not to care.

What federal employee would risk the wrath of the ‘rats by questioning Ogabe after the election; you would have to be crazy.

Not saying Ogabe is an illegal but there is a mountain of documentation that he himself used as “proof” of his experience, intelligence and fitness for office yet he won’t release any of it. What could be so damaging in his college transcripts….other than the fact that he had a close scholastic relationship with Bill Ayers, of course?

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

I want very much not to be a conspiracy theorist–I’m too smart and too educated for that.

jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 8:52 PM

I meant to write, ‘I’m too smart and too educated for that–or so I keep telling myself.’

I didn’t mean for that to come off sounding arrogant.

jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

That’s a lie.

Produce a valid birth certificate for Obama, the entire issue dies the same day.

Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Once a group becomes so vested in a conspiracy theory, no amount of evidence is going to dissuade the hardcore believers.

Ask the folks at the Flat Earth Society.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM
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There are flaws with each of the purported “proofs”.

Like I said, it doesn’t really matter in the end.

Mew

acat on July 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM


THE QUESTION IS NOT IF HE HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS WRITTEN ON HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT MAKES THEM NOT WANT TO SHOW IT TO US
,
DATE BORN, RELIGION, OFFICIAL NAME (NOT THE FATHER BUT THE MOTHER), DOCTOR (WHO CAN THAN BE ASKED TO RECONFIRM THE BIRTH)
.
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

mooseburger on July 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Obama’s grandmother says he was born in Kenya.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074
Here’s the Youtube version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14&feature=related
There’s some truthers stuff for ya. Eat yer heart out!

JellyToast on July 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Mike Castle is a DICC, Democrat in Conservative Clothing. He isn’t a small government conservative hence his vote on Crap and Tax. He isn’t a fiscal conservative hence his vote on porkulus. So what type of conservative can he possibly be. That makes him a DICC

chemman on July 20, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Cripes.
In AP World everything devolves into damaging Palin.
Inevitably.

Care to weigh in on the issue at hand AP?

Stephen M on July 20, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

I don’t have a passport but I assumed you had to have a birth certificate to get one. Shot, you have to have one to get a driver’s license now. But maybe your right, greased palms to get passport so when he got to D.C. as a shiny new senator that was done. It just seems that if our security checks aren’t stringent, they should be.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM

That’s a lie.

Produce a valid birth certificate for Obama, the entire issue dies the same day.

Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM

For some, yes. For others, no. They’ll claim it’s forged or otherwise faked. Guaranteed. How many times have the 9/11 conspiracy theories been debunked, and how many still go on with the crap? How many times has the Trig trutherism been debunked, and has Andrea Sullivan given up yet?

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM

That second video was good to watch.

p0s3r on July 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM

mooseburger on July 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
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Well, since it is impossible under Islamic law for a child to *not* be a Muslim, that’s one possibility…

By the way, did Sen. JF Kerry ever release his full service record? Did former President Clinton ever release his medical record?

Mew

acat on July 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM

But why won’t they produce the birth certificate? They could make a great show of it, laugh at those who doubted, and paint all conservatives as kooks.

And what about college transcripts? Every other white collar gov’t job requires transcripts be submitted; why not POTUS?

I completely agree on both accounts.

If it’s no big deal, pony up the docs and settle it.

The birth certificate thing I don’t know much about.

I do think that one of two things is going on with his college records:

a. they say something contradictory about his place of birth or contain an outright lie about something, perhaps regarding loans or whatever

or

b. he got really crappy grades

Either way, it reeks, big time. Nobody else could get away with this but Barryack Soetabamawhatevr. And all this says NOTHING about him, literally, but quite a bit about the pathetic American lemming media.

As stupid as this is, why in the world let it go on? He obviously had to show documentation for passports and security clearances

Okay, let’s hear about those instances and what documentation he provided.

It’s very simple, really.

Metro on July 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM

I don’t think that it is to much to ask that obummer prove his citizenship. Not providing the birth records makes me think that he is hiding something, I guess that makes me one of those “crazies”.

farright on July 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Logic suggests that Obama is eligible to hold office. Logic also suggests that there is something in the full birth certificate he does not want seen.

Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM

That’s probably true. There might well be something slightly embarrassing there. Given how protective he and his handlers have been regarding the release of personal information, it’s no surprise that they’re doing the same here.

The evidence suggesting he’s not a natural born citizen? Non-existant. The evidence that he is? Existant.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Aside from the passport stuff, Roger Calero was on the Presidential ballot in 6 states and he isn’t even a US citizen. He holds a green card. That’s the level of checking that often gets done.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM

@Hollowpoint

“Hardcore believers” aren’t the issue. Obama can take the issue off the table once and for all for 99.999% of the population and score political points to boot. Why would pass up the opportunity to do that?

Not putting the issue to rest goes against everything we know about the man: 1) he loves being right; and 2) he loves mocking his percieved enemies…

Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Why would someone like Soros invest all that time and money in a plan with such an obvious flaw.
Logic suggests that Obama is eligible to hold office. Logic also suggests that there is something in the full birth certificate he does not want seen.

Ogabe likes waffles, waffles originated in Hungary, Soros is Hungarian.

OMG…Soros is Ogabe’s father!

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM

At any rate, lately I find myself sliding towards Birtherism. Why won’t The One just get his birth certificate?

Yeah, I’ve been skeptical of this since early on, but…there’s always a but, why would he spend $820k in sending lawyers to over 9 states to prove that litigants had “no standing” to ask such questions?

Mind you that is $820k out of pocket so as to not show up/be reported in his campaign’s exp’s.

Just sayin, WHY?

Archimedes on July 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM

I’m sure I’ll be painted a “birther” with this but I’ll risk the ridicule because no one’s responded yet.

I’m really cautious on this issue but it doesn’t help Obama’s case that he had been saying that he was born at Queen’s Medical Center and now says he was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center. Why is that? Why did he change the name of where he was born from one to another?

And it looks really hinky for news sites and such to go and scrub their reports and swap Queen’s out for Kapi’olani.

I mean this isn’t rocket surgery. I know that I was born at DeWitt Army Hospital. I’ve never said otherwise because I know that’s where I was born. So why on earth is there such confusion over something so basic?

powerpro on July 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Those of us who have served or are serving in the military know that for the commander and chief to stand down when an officer challenges him is no small incident.
I was never suspicious until now.
Think about Obama’s M.O. He is a thug with unlimited power and took a pass like this is too weird. Sorry.

Amadeus on July 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Why are all his college transcripts locked down under a mountain of lawyering? Would he go to so much trouble because he did poorly in a class, but still managed to get into Harvard? Or is it because he applied (admission / financial aide) as a foreign national?

burnitup on July 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Where’s W.’s birth certificate?
Where’s Clinton’s birth certificate?
Wheres pere Bush’s birth certificate?
Where’s Reagan’s birth ceritifcate?
Where’s Carter’s birth ceritifcate?
Hell, where’s George Washington‘s birth certificate?

Where’s YOUR birth certificate birthers?

Apologetic California on July 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Nicto Clatu Obama

- The Cat

MirCat on July 20, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Ask the folks at the Flat Earth Society.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM
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I believe you are misunderstanding the nature of the Flat Earthers.

Mew

acat on July 20, 2009 at 9:06 PM

The certificate vouched for by the Governor of Hawaii and the newspaper birth announcement in 1961 don’t count as even “a shred of evidence”?

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM

The demand is to see his original birth certificate. A paper vouched for by someone who hasn’t seen the original is not evidence. Not even a shred.

Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Apologetic California on July 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Nobody demanded theirs. Um, because uh…they…were…wwwwwwwwwell-known politicians.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM

There are flaws with each of the purported “proofs”…
acat on July 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Same thing the idiot 9/11 Truthers say. They’re “just asking questions”. Rather than come up with any kind of compelling evidence to support their position, they attempt to nitpick the way evidence is presented and claim flaws and inconsistancies. Why? Because they have no such evidence.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM

The 1961 birth announcement in the Hawaiian paper? Just goes to prove how deep the conspiracy really goes.

Until the Birthers can come up with some compelling evidence, they really do need to keep the crazy to themselves.

Hollowpoint on July 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM

So….you are OK with the 1960′s equivalent of a craigslist post as an official document that verifies eligibility?

And that announcement would trump any loss of his citizenship as he moved to Indonesia, was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and became an Indonesia citizen?

That announcement doesn’t say much about the birth at all. It’s not like it is part of some conspiracy – just proud grandparents placing an announcement. It’s not like there is debate about Obama actually being born. In any case an announcement in a weekly shopper is hardly any form of official ‘proof’ that would be acceptable to establish whether he meets the eligibility requirements laid out by the Constitution.

See – this is why you people who want to make a joke of the whole thing really need to get your facts straight before you start to accuse someone else of not knowing what they are talking about.

Mr Purple on July 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I’m with ya on all of that, but Ogabe is steeped in shady activity, it surrounds everything he has ever done. The guy had a $50 million dollar community slush-fund and no one knows exactly where all of it went.

No one is going to push too far because Ogabe is black and the demorat machine will bury them. The citizenship issue is probably a dead one but who knows; I would be interested to see what his transcripts hold.

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM

@ Apologetic California

In the fire box in the other room with my other vital papers…

It shouldn’t be a big deal, and yet, for some reason, it is with Obama.

Nat Hound on July 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I picked on the birthers as much as anyone. But now, I realize I was being soft. Yeah, his status is a political question and no the Supreme Court should not have stepped in. But damn it, why doesn’t he just produce a damn birth certificate. After reviewing the evidence I now believe he was not born in the U.S. And whether he is still a citizen or not the dude is a lair and I trust nothing about him. And I am happy to see angry people demanding answers from their representatives. The guy in the second clip talking about cap and trade at some length is my hero.

D0WNT0WN on July 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I’m not given to conspiracy theories, but they’re not all created equal.

Usually there’s smoke, or a least the smell of smoke, but no fire.

Once in a while, there’s smoke *and* a fire.

I don’t know if there’s fire here, but there’s enough smoke to make me curious about what they’re hiding.

jazz_piano on July 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM

bear in mind, Delaware is a blue state….62% Obama and 2 Dem Senators

Voted blue for prez since 1992

So…A. this was an odd crowd or B. there’s something in the wind

r keller on July 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Apologetic California on July 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Get a life. Congress moved on McCain’s eligibility. The burden is on The Precedent to prove his eligibility. The SCOTUS must take one of these cases and establish the definition of ‘natural-born’ and decide whether The Precedent satisfies that definition. He won’t, since multiple citizenship is clearly something the Founders wanted to avoid with their ‘natural-born’ stipulation and The Precedent has said that he has held several other citizenships.

Frankly, I am amazed that anyone would accept the idea of a President who holds other citizenships. That’s just crazy as all get-out.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Yes, its starting to look like the Clinton years all over again,..”Key Witness In Passport Fraud Case Fatally Shot”…apparently he was cooperating with a federal investigators.

christene on July 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM

I don’t know what anyone will find out from his original birth certificate, but if Obama is fighting that hard not to show it, that makes me want to see it. It’s that simple.

Ronnie on July 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Oddly, the same crowd that will rush to Obama’s defense would be the first to conclude Jesus was a daddy–at least, as long as we can’t prove them wrong.

cackcon on July 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Hollowpoint, maybe you didn’t read my direct questions to you the first time, so let me repost them.

So you think the Founders meant to include mutliple citizens as eligible for the Presidency? You are aware that Americans could not hold other citizenships at the time of the ‘natural-born’ writing?

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Could you please answer these two simple questions.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM

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