Video: Birth certificate Truthers demand action from GOP congressman

posted at 8:30 pm on July 20, 2009 by Allahpundit

The congressman in question? Mike Castle of Delaware, whom you’ll remember for his mavericky maverickness in voting for Obama’s cap-and-trade monstrosity. He got an earful about that too — watch the second clip below — but it’s the Truther spectacle in the first vid that’s getting media attention, natch. Expect these people to play the same role at GOP primary events in 2012 that 9/11 Truthers played at Democratic rallies last year, occasionally cornering the wary candidate with a video camera to ask if he/she “supports a new investigation” and receiving the same vague, wary assurances that of course he/she will be happy to “look into it.” Still, I wonder: Will they disperse and hassle all the candidates equally or, a la Ron Paul, will one candidate catch their fancy and coopt the entire subgroup? I hope Huck and Palin, as the “true conservatives” in the race, are ready to field some awkward questions.


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Did you see the reference by rslancer14 at 5:25? To know what these folks meant when they said what they did, we have to look at how THEY used the terminology. That’s how Biblical scholars have to find out the meanings and connotations of words – by referencing each use of that particular word in the language at the time and using that to make the definitions.

justincase on July 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM

To use parole evidence or contemporaneous writings of the Founders, you must first show that the language in the constiution is ambiguous. “Natural born Citizen” is not ambiguous, it means a citizen that is born a citizen. You would have to go beyond the plain meaning of the words to include the requirement that both parents be citizens of the United States. Please review any number of Scalia dissents or majorities regarding the order to follow in ascertaining the intent of the founders.
Please forgive me for putting the law above the methods used by “Biblical scholars” use to “find out the meanings and connotations of words.” The law declares a different method then that followed by Biblical Scholars. Reason and legal theory should be applied to legal subjects such as this.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on July 21, 2009 at 5:48 PM

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Speaking of Mr McCain, BHO and crew demanded that he show proof of eligibility during the campaign and Mr. McCain did, so why won’t Obama do the same?

stacy on July 21, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Again – he has – what’s this?

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:49 PM

April,

This presentation identifies who you are and what you’re trying to get across in the thread.

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM

a joke?!

stacy on July 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm… ED OR ALLAH WE ARE STILL WAITING & WONDERING…..
The needle has only moved up on one of the “Hot” topics below, THE REST ARE DEAD. TIME TO SWITCH OUT ONE???????
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HotAir’s TOP PICKS (as of right now)

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~~~~702!!!! What’s it take to get a promotion to Top Picks??~~~~Ed or Allah, what’s up with this???????????

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Just like the 9/11 Truthers just will not accept the truth – you guys are the same.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

These people cannot handle the bare facts. Now they are accusing FactCheck.org of being in on some kind of pawn. The same way the 9/11 Truthers accused Rudy of being in on it.

They always have some crazy angle to support the conspiracy theory – it’s an endless diatribe of what ifs.

The State Health Commissioner in Hawaii did not lie about this as George W Bush did not attack his own country.

The Birth Announcement was in the paper back then, the birth certificate is real. He’s the President – he won – he is our President.

Just pipe dreams from the Far Fringe – hoping upon hope to throw something up against the wall that might stick.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM

April,

This presentation identifies who you are and what you’re trying to get across in the thread.

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM

LOLOLOL that’s all you got??

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM

For you, darling.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 6:03 PM

a joke?!

stacy on July 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Of course you will say that – find another angle – quick.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 6:04 PM

New_Jersey_Buckeye on July 21, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Bingo again. Simple, straightforward analysis. There are rules for settling how to read and apply the law. People should learn some of them.

DocKen on July 21, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Truth, Justice an the American Way is all we ask!!

stacy on July 21, 2009 at 6:05 PM

What did the writers mean in 1600 when they said someone was “gay”? How do you know? What will happen if you transpose what is unambiguous language from today into what they used for terminology?

The only way you can know what they meant by a term is to see how they defined it. That’s logic 101 – whether it’s Biblical or legal.

justincase on July 21, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Obama may be a U.S. citizen but HE has TOLD us he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen At Birth as is required. You must have “parents” = 2 parents who were BOTH U.S. citizens at the MOMENT of birth.
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***He told us (see below) his father was NOT a U.S. citizen, but a British/Kenyan citizen at the time of Obama’s birth and beyond therefore HE CAN’T CHANGE HIS BIRTH STATUS NOR CAN HE EVER COMPLY WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS. NEVER. BY HIS OWN WORDS.
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So please stop asking for the birth certificate because he will produce one (real or not) and he’ll declare “case closed” to the “birthers”. It is yet another brilliant strategy to obfuscate and distract attention from the REAL ISSUE: one cannot be both a DUAL citizen AT BIRTH and a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AT BIRTH. THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. That’s why we must stop harping on on one piece of paper and focus on HIS OWN WORDS- WHICH CAN’T BE DISPUTED. Understand???
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“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.”

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~~DUAL CITIZEN – NATURAL BORN CITIZEN = MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE~~
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Hey Barry, YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS- PICK ONE. NOW PROVE IT.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 6:09 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 6:09 PM


Nightmare. You are just plain wrong. Where do you find legal or constitutional authority for insisting that both parents have to be US citizens? Why are you unable to understand that what the UK, or Israel, or any other country declares to be it’s citizens has no bearing on our requirements here. Our law says if you are born here, you are an American by birthright. There is absolutely no law, anywhere, at any time which backs up your absurd multi-citizen argument. The US law asks: “were you born here?” and if yes, then that’s all there is. Unless the exception to the rule applies, and all the exceptions are spelled out and what you are repeating does not get any truer by mere repetition.

DocKen on July 21, 2009 at 6:16 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Natural Born citizen is not defined in the constitution – you guys are defining it with the 2 parent thing.

Riddle me this Birthers – Does that mean Michelle Malkin can never run for President because her two parents were born in The Phillipines and not on American soil?

Riddle me this again – does this mean Sean Hannity is inelgible because his parents were both born in Ireland?

What about Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico, can he not run?

What’s the deal?

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Imagine if President Obama just stated today in response to a question about the town hall:

“Sure I can release my original birth certificate for independent verification. Why would I need to hide it when it’s become a Constitutional issue of concern? It will just take the 15 minutes and 15 bucks I needed to put it under wraps until I got through the election. My bad for thinking the COLB from the Daily Kos had all the same info, because I now see it’s clearly incomplete. Heck, I even have confused dueling hospitals and confused relatives in Kenya, so this should clear it all up for everyone. Also, it’s a priority that our military men and women have confidence in their leader.”

Then keep imagining, because it will never happen.

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Yeah – you keep hopin’ and prayin’. What’s that Jackie DeShannon song from the 60s??

Take back the country? How about we take it back the country and the GOP from the Conspiracy Theory Fringe and call it a day, once and for all.

Someone please dig up William F Buckley….

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 6:26 PM

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM

His Birth Certificate won’t make me confident in him. Hawaii issued a CoLB. The governor of Hawaii affirmed it. Every court in the land is required to accept that at face value. The burden of proff is now shifted to the doubters. Obambi no longer has to prove anything. Doubters have to prove just cause to doubt the executive branch of Hawaii. Failing that, by law as we imperfect humans know it, he is legit. Now, can we get back to discussing what really matters? Can we slow him down until 2010 because what really matters is what he’s doing to the country.

DocKen on July 21, 2009 at 6:30 PM

proff = proof
just cause does not = “just because” — you really need a legal trigger, and failing that, let it go.

DocKen on July 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Once Again – questions for the Birthers here:

Riddle me this Birthers – Does that mean Michelle Malkin can never run for President because her two parents were born in The Phillipines and not on American soil?

Riddle me this again – does this mean Sean Hannity is inelgible because his parents were both born in Ireland?

What about Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico, can he not run?

What’s the deal?

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM

VikingGoneWild on July 21, 2009 at 5:44 PM

What’s this???

What about tbis do you guys not get? LOLOLOL

It is completely unfounded – it’s ridiculous.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:47 PM

It appears your pathrtic link to Youtube has been removed………must be hanging out with BO’s BC.

VikingGoneWild on July 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

If parents were naturalized prior to the birth of their off-spring, then those off-spring are natural born citizens. If they were not, then the off-spring is merely a citizen. As pointed out in the Chester Arthur case, he was indeed obfuscating his citizenship status as he knew it. According to recently found documents, his parents were naturalized when he was about 14. That made him a citizen, and he knew that he would not meet the requirements of president.

The same can be said of Bobby Jindal. His parents were Indian citizens when they came to this country. They eventually became Americans. What I do not know is if they were naturalized prior to Bobby’s birth.

rslancer14 on July 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Your replies both reinforced my point. You know Obama will never come clean and you love him for it. For some people in America this moment has arrived well before the final paragraph of the book.

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM

VikingGoneWild on July 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=Rick%20Sanchez%20takes%20on%20Birther%20Movement&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

If parents were naturalized prior to the birth of their off-spring, then those off-spring are natural born citizens. If they were not, then the off-spring is merely a citizen. As pointed out in the Chester Arthur case, he was indeed obfuscating his citizenship status as he knew it. According to recently found documents, his parents were naturalized when he was about 14. That made him a citizen, and he knew that he would not meet the requirements of president.

The same can be said of Bobby Jindal. His parents were Indian citizens when they came to this country. They eventually became Americans. What I do not know is if they were naturalized prior to Bobby’s birth.

rslancer14 on July 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Interesting – Bobby Jindal, not what will happen if he runs?

Will the loons dog him as well?

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM

econavenger on July 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Answer the questions on the table:

Riddle me this Birthers – Does that mean Michelle Malkin can never run for President because her two parents were born in The Phillipines and not on American soil?

Riddle me this again – does this mean Sean Hannity is inelgible because his parents were both born in Ireland?

What about Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico, can he not run?

What’s the deal with Bobby Jindal? Can he never run?

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Nightmare. You are just plain wrong. Where do you find legal or constitutional authority for insisting that both parents have to be US citizens? Blah… blah… blah…
DocKen on July 21, 2009 at 6:16 PM
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I don’t claim any authority, but how about this:
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At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, 2008, then- Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge said,

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.

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“…born of American PARENTS…” When an “s” is added to a noun, that noun becomes plural- meaning MORE THAN ONE.
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Now, Mr-Smarty-Pants-DocKen, please return to your seat and write an essay on why you should be allowed to continue to take up a perfectly good seat in this class when you are such a waste of skin & hair.
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During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948.
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****Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?****

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Suddenly the Birthers have all scattered….

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I think NightmareOnKStreet is Red Pill.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM

This is just not true. This is more Birther propogandas and I think you are definately the infamous banned by Allah Red Pill.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Birthers Conspiracy dribble.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

From Snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

Put it to rest people, you are soiling the Grand Old Party….

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Any remember Roger Calero? Probably not. He was on the last presidential ballot in more than 30 states.
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He is a citizen of Nicaragua, an illegal immigrant and a criminal. Yet he somehow slipped past each state’s Secretary of State and made it onto the ballot.
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Only in America…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Remember Red Pill? Probably not. He would post long drawn out Far Right religiousy diatribes and was banned by Allah.

He has his own blog yet somehow he slipped past open registration and made it onto Hot Air again.

Only in the blogosphere….

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Suddenly the Birthers have all scattered….

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

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Yes, we have all returned to the Mothership- we call it DINNER TIME.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I hope that Congressman has enjoyed his career representing Republicans. He may improve his lot by pulling a Spector and giving his true supporters a chance to vote him back as a Democrat.

What a total, absolute PUTZ.

leftnomore on July 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Remember Red Pill? Probably not. He would post long drawn out Far Right religiousy diatribes and was banned by Allah.

He has his own blog yet somehow he slipped past open registration and made it onto Hot Air again.

Only in the blogosphere April’s head….

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:32 PM

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I, NightmareOnKStreet, do solemnly swear… I JOINED HA IN 2006… by TRAVELING IN MY TIME MACHINE…
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I think you SWALLOWED The Red Pill right before your RACIST RANT AT 5:02PM that is going to get you “gone” from this house.
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*whispering* I see AprilOrit (HotAir)dead people.
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*counting the silverwear* Buh-bye AO.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:48 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=Rick%20Sanchez%20takes%20on%20Birther%20Movement&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

You bring Rick Sanchez and I’ll bring Lou Dobbs.

Sancheaz & your point……Factcheck & a newspaper ad. Wow….overwhelming evidence.

“And all we need here is a doggone document, but for some reason the president doesn’t want to release that.”

http://mediamatters.org/research/200907170039

VikingGoneWild on July 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Hmmm… ED OR ALLAH WE ARE STILL WAITING & WONDERING…..
WHY HASN’T THIS THREAD MOVED TO TOP PICKS???????

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Can’t be the COMPETITION.

Other HotAir’s TOP PICKS today:

322 Comments “Finally: Ron Paul kinda sorta comes…”
287 Comments “Commerce Secretary: America needs to pay… ”
234 Comments “Video: ObamaCare may fund abortions”
182 Comments “Obama hiding the budget numbers…”
318 Comments “Obama says talking time over, but has no clue…”

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BUT NOT FOR:

736 Comments “Video: Birth certificate Truthers demand action from GOP congressman”.
~~~~736!!!! What’s it take to get a promotion to Top Picks??~~~~Ed or Allah, what’s up with this???????????

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I, NightmareOnKStreet, do solemnly swear… I JOINED HA IN 2006… by TRAVELING IN MY TIME MACHINE…
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I think you SWALLOWED The Red Pill right before your RACIST RANT AT 5:02PM that is going to get you “gone” from this house.
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*whispering* I see AprilOrit (HotAir)dead people.
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*counting the silverwear* Buh-bye AO.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 21, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Interesting – pointing out racists is suddenly a racist rant.

So much for free speech, Red Pill.

Hey Red – where were Huckabee’s parents born? Are they naturalized Americans, I rememer he was your candidate.

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 8:15 PM

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Yep. I agree on all of that (as much as I love MM), especially the Mitt Romney part.

Wolftech on July 21, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Wolftech on July 21, 2009 at 8:22 PM

You agree what – that they are all ineligible to run?

AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 8:26 PM

I’m not taking a stand on either side of the “birth truther” argument. However, Lou Dobbs said that Illinois requires no proof. And, it seems that Obama’s buddies –the author of the article below has ties to Obama’s campaign, and she was calling the “natural born requirement” “stupid” and saying it needed to be changed in 2006. I’m not saying the dots connect, but you’ve got to wonder why they were at this issue, don’t you?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12873456/Amending-the-Natural-Born-Citizen-Requirement-Sarah-p-Herlihy-Feb-22-2006

njpat on July 21, 2009 at 9:53 PM

DocKen at 6:30
How could the governor of Hawaii “affirm” something it is illegal for her to even look at?

NOBODY in Hawaii has or even CAN say squat publicly about Obama’s computer-scan image of what he says is a COLB.

Anybody who knows law at all can tell you that a computer scan is NEVER acceptable for legal documentation purposes. Obama already says he showed his COLB, but he only showed a scan, which he knows has no legal liability attached to it. That’s why he posted a forgery.

Ask him to show a judge or a secretary of state the 3D COLB he says he showed Factcheck, and if he does it, THEN and ONLY THEN can you say that he showed any legal documentation for anything.

justincase on July 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM

DocKen at 6:33

A legal trigger might be that the COLB he posted was clearly a forgery. Or it might be that we have a signed affidavit and a recording of Sarah Obama saying that Obama was born in Kenya, as well as a recording of a Kenyan ambassador saying he was born there. Or a legal trigger might be Obama saying he was born at two different hospitals in Hawaii…

Are you talking about those kinds of legal triggers? If so, that’s what we’ve been talking about for quite some time now.

justincase on July 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM

AprilOrit at 7:25

Is that the same Snopes whose research said Obama was born at Queens Hospital, based on Obama’s own statement…. until Obama said he was born at Kapiolani, at which time their expert heavily-researched answer was that he was born at Kapiolani – without so much as a blink or statement on what changed or why?

If so, which branch of the federal government is Snopes in? Where does the Constitution give them any authority?

And why would you believe a site that simply regurgigates Obama’s contradictory answers one after the other without a brain waves’ flicker?

justincase on July 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

wave’s

justincase on July 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Damn folks… calm down…

But other than that… why not got to the mythbusters fan site and stir this up over there and get them to look at it?

Just sayin’

Diogenes of Sinope on July 22, 2009 at 12:09 AM

I said these Birther loons were racists – that was the basic lynch pin of their arguement; like the loon-poon on tape in Delaware.

AprilOrit on July 22, 2009 at 2:28 AM
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Nice try, but here are YOUR WORDS:
“They are dangerous to WE THE PEOPLE AND A SITTING PRESIDENT.

And HA should not be jacking up these loons anymore that they already are. Somebody will do something they think is patriotic – and … Like the Far Left was with 9/11 and Bush – these loons just do not want to accept the truth.
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~~~~~~~~I have come to the conclusion that what this group really wants to say is, “why is this n**ger in the White House?”~~~~~~~~
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AprilOrit on July 21, 2009 at 5:02 PM
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Embrace your words and know they have consequences. You’re pathetically limp attempt to dismiss our legitimate legal questions as RAAAACIST is your LAST HURRAH. YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED. The ban hammer awaits.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 22, 2009 at 2:51 AM

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