Iranian opposition call for referendum on Khamenei’s legitimacy

posted at 12:15 pm on July 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The tension continues in Iran after a weekend in which Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani breathed new life into the protests over the rigged presidential election with thinly-veiled criticism of his political rival, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.  Emboldened, the opposition led by Mirhossein Mousavi called for a new referendum not about the presidency but a vote on the legitimacy of the rule of Khamenei and the Guardian Council.  Khamenei did not wait until next Friday’s prayers to directly warn his opponents — including Rafsanjani:

Iran’s supreme leader issued a tough warning Monday to the opposition to back down after the movement called for a referendum on the government’s legitimacy, growing bolder in its challenge to the country’s clerical rulers.

The opposition has been energized by a show of support last week from former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a key figure within the clerical leadership. Far from ending as the supreme leader has demanded, the conflict appears to be moving to a higher level, to a struggle within the leadership itself.

On Monday, opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi made some of his harshest comments yet at hard-liners and, implicitly, the supreme leader himself. Mousavi said they had insulted Iran’s people by claiming that the anger over June 12 presidential elections that exploded into massive protests was fueled by foreigners.

“You are facing something new: an awaken nation, a nation that has been born again and is here to defend its achievements,” Mousavi said during a meeting with families of those arrested in the postelection crackdown. “Arrests … won’t put an end to this problem. End this game as soon as possible and return the sons of the nation to the nation.”

Khamenei addressed his remarks today to the “elite,” which means Rafsanjani, who holds a key position in the Iranian government that could undermine his grip on power:

“The elite should be watchful, since they have been faced with a big test. Failing the test will cause their collapse,” Khamenei told a group of officials in a speech marking a religious holiday Monday, according to state radio.

“Anybody who drives the society toward insecurity and disorder is a hated person in the view of the Iranian nation, whoever he is,” Khamenei said, as Ahmadinejad and other officials sat on the floor beside him on stage.

Rafsanjani heads the Assembly of Experts, which has the power to remove Khamenei and replace him.  If Rafsanjani can convince a majority of that panel of mullahs to back him, he can oust Khamenei and take his place — and give Ahmadinejad the boot as well.  Last month, a couple of reports put Rafsanjani within reach of that goal, but not realistically able to conduct a wide-ranging reform that would have strengthened the role of democracy and limited the Guardian Council, as Rafsanjani reportedly wants in order to head off a revolution.

Since Rafsanjani still has not called a vote, it’s reasonable to assume he remains in the minority of the ruling clique.  He has not yet been arrested either, which means that his political support has not dissipated.  The referendum demand intends to embarrass the regime by not holding it and looking afraid, but Rafsanjani represents a real threat to Khamenei.  His vocal criticisms of Khamenei undermine Khamenei’s claims to divine leadership, and Rafsanjani’s support means that the hardliners have already split over it.  Khamenei’s choice of targets today shows what really worries him.

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Hey, if we follow Honduras and Iran maybe we can get rid of our own usurper.

ex-Democrat on July 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Interesting power play with the Iranian theocracy, but I doubt there would be a real change if Rafsanjani came to power. I think it would be same song, second verse…

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:22 PM

If we impeached him, then we would have Chuckles the Clown for a prez!!

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Can anyone actually keep up with Who Is Who without a Game Program?

Jeff from WI on July 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM

If we impeached him, then we would have Chuckles the Clown for a prez!!

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:22 PM

LOL…true!

Jeff from WI on July 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Is anyone else under the impression that Mousavi is just “pissing into the wind?”

Shock the Monkey on July 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I’d prefer Chuckles to The One. At least Biden wouldn’t be deliberately trying to destroy the country. I prefer incompetence to what we’ve got.

hachiban on July 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:22 PM

They’re just exploiting the ham handed attempt to fix the election and the resulting public outrage. Never let a good crisis go to waste.:)

a capella on July 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Mullah musical chairs.

Fletch54 on July 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Can anyone actually keep up with Who Is Who without a Game Program?

Jeff from WI on July 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Can anybody keep up with which side BHO supports? In a non-meddling way, of course.

ICBM on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Can anybody keep up with which side BHO supports? In a non-meddling way, of course.

ICBM on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Excellent point

Jeff from WI on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Geeeeeeeeeezzzzzzz folks…

Even casting aside the support for the peeps we have a enemy nation who’s leadership is about to be cut down by 50%…one way or the other. And this is a bad thing? An enemy nation who suddenly has to worry about who lives next door instead of what nation lives next door? This is a neutral thing? From dictator to lowly department heads the Iranian machine is about to throw a piston and it doesn’t matter?

A confused enemy is one helluva lot better then a focused one.

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM

While this goes on, the nuclear program still progresses. Smoke and Mirrors from the real threat. God save those everyday Iranian people. I hope that some leader really does make a difference one day for them.

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Can anybody keep up with which side BHO supports? In a non-meddling way, of course.

ICBM on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

We’re working hard on this delayed mid-year budget, we couldn’t possibly get back the that Iranian thingee until after August recess. Oh, and…

It doesn’t matter, we’ll apologize to anyone.
-Copyright 2009. Executive Branch, USA.

NickelAndDime on July 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I disagree Limerick, I don’t see the basic government structure changing radically enough to impact their stated intent long term.

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Why? Because all nuclear scientists and technicians are backing Dinnerjacket? You don’t think that the folks in sensitive positions are under even more scrunity and subject to purge on the mere rumor of them being disloyal?
This is a complete top to bottom review by the government of Iran. They are going to end up chopping up as many friends as they do enemies.

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:39 PM

The mullacracy is falling. I predict before long they start turning on each other, and turning on Kahmenei is the logical first step.

Too bad we are propping up the dictators. But then Obama is a wannabe one himself.

wildcat84 on July 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM

This is basic tactics, folks. If the enemy backfield is in disarray it is a good thing.

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Perhaps, maybe, possibly, Rafsanjani can use this as a way to show that no MAN has any authority whatsoever to claim he is the “divine rule” of any nation.

Anyone that claims to talk to god, allah, whatever should be inserted into a padded room or a room surrounded with iron bars, not installed as supreme leader.

Rafsanjani should emphasize that MAN leads MAN under ‘God’s set of rules, that’s as far as religion should go in driving government, else this is what you get. Some corrupt moron leading a pack of corrupt morons and a president with his eyes a little too close together.

Spiritk9 on July 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:39 PM

That is where you and I disagree on what is really going on. I hope that you are right, because it would be great timing.

I am more pessimistic and so take the viewpoint that while the current regime might get a new “leader” it will still be oppressive, retain much of the same bureaucracy and generally get back to “business as usual”. I am just not convinced that the poor people of Iran can affect a real change at this time.

I guess I am equating this with the Lenin/Stalin scenario in Russia way back when. Lots of innocent people got “purged” but the overall government stayed the same.

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM

They’re just exploiting the ham handed attempt to fix the election and the resulting public outrage. Never let a good crisis go to waste.:)

This ham, it is not Kosher, right?

gstep58 on July 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM

This is basic tactics, folks. If the enemy backfield is in disarray it is a good thing.

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Generally yes. Unless one side decides to distract the nation with a radical action towards a third party.

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:48 PM

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I’m looking at it as delay. Even if it gives us or Israel six more months, that is six months more to get our own act together. I do not believe the leaders of the opposition, in the long view, will be much different than the current regime. But one thing about totalitarians is a sure bet, they are a paranoid lot. This is a perfect opportunity for western intelligence agencies to flood the Iranian information highways with disinformation about folks holding positions of power and their lackeys in the nuclear program.

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM

This couldn’t happen to a more deserving set of people.

Little Boomer on July 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Ok, I see your logic, and agree, this is a delay. Hadn’t thought about the potential for intel to flood Iran with disinformation, etc, so that is a good point.

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Eh…..it wouldn’t be the first time I put my Queen out on King 6 and watched her go bye-bye. ;0

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Probably not a moment of brevity in the WH cabinet meeting this morning.

Speakup on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Ouch!!

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Spiritk9 on July 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Can’t be done – otherwise, that whole Mahomet thingy comes crashing down.

OldEnglish on July 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Is anyone else under the impression that Mousavi is just “pissing into the wind?”

Shock the Monkey on July 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Pretty much. I don’t know that he’s any better than the current nut job but at least he’s gotten global attention to the tyranny and human rights abuse over there.

scalleywag on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM

This is basic tactics, folks. If the enemy backfield is in disarray it is a good thing.

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Generally yes. Unless one side decides to distract the nation with a radical action towards a third party.

catlady on July 20, 2009 at 12:48 PM

A smart American President would be sending his under-under-under Secretaries of State to talk to Rafsanjani and other dissenters, trying to work out a deal that both Americans and Iranians could support, such as dismantle the nukes in exchange for CIA support for a coup.

But Obama doesn’t meddle, he muddles in the middle.

There’s one nation in that area that does have a smart leader: Israel. I wonder if Bibi or some of his underlings are whispering to Iranian dissenters trying to cut a deal–”we’ll help you out if you dismantle the nukes”, or something like that. Israeli intelligence is second to none, and they could be fomenting regime change in order to avoid a risky attack on the nukes.

Just speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised…

Steve Z on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM

This is a perfect opportunity for western intelligence agencies to flood the Iranian information highways with disinformation

I was wondering what it would take to go even further and physically sabotage the program. If the line of centrifuges is interrupted that would at least cause a serious delay.

taznar on July 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Eh…..it wouldn’t be the first time I put my Queen out on King 6 and watched her go bye-bye. ;0

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM

On a chessboard, King 6 is usually covered by a Bishop. Maybe the Iranian kingmakers need an Iranian “bishop” (cleric) to cover their 6.

Steve Z on July 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Zerobama fiddles while Iran burns.

Kafir on July 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Steve Z on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Obama seems more concerned about settlements than he is about nukes. If he were as smart as all that he’d gain back some of his credibility but at this point I don’t see it. That would take time in the office and meetings with the CIA. Obama’s too busy pitching his health care agenda and giving pressers to be involved with clandestine operations.

scalleywag on July 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Shows what happens when you elect a street thug president. It works out until you challenge him.

GarandFan on July 20, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Steve Z on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I’d have a lot more confidence in Bush/Cheney handling this situation than I do with these clowns in office. Obama’s never played a round with the big boys.

scalleywag on July 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Steve Z on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Yeah….every single time I have hope that the intel services will pull a Jack Ryan I come back to their most famous of all calls….

“The Chinese will never cross the Yalu.”

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Can anybody keep up with which side BHO supports? In a non-meddling way, of course.

ICBM on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Sure. BHO always, after the fact, supports whoever or whatever wins. His claim to fame is voting present over 150 times during his short career as an Illinois senator. He did a similar thing last fall when the bailouts started. He remained on the campaign trail while McCain returned to DC to debate and vote on the first bailout. I believe he did this to avoid taking a position.

By not taking a position, he avoids alienating part of the populous.

burt on July 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM