Video: ObamaCare may fund abortions
posted at 12:45 pm on July 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Will ObamaCare use taxpayer money to fund abortions? Chris Wallace asks budget director Peter Orszag the explosive question on Fox News Sunday today, and Orszag attempts to dodge it. Wallace presses him for an answer on whether the White House will rule that out, and Orszag declines to do so. However, the answer is rather obvious:
Barack Obama and the Democrats, especially those on the hard Left, want two things. They want unfettered access to abortion on demand, which they will pursue through the Freedom of Choice Act … eventually, if Obama’s polling numbers stop sliding. That effort can also be accomplished through a health-care reform bill that provides a “public plan” as a Trojan horse for taxpayer-funded abortions. After all, universal care means universal coverage, and pro-abortion Democrats believe that abortions are an integral part of gynecology.
That isn’t limited to just the pro-abortion Democrats, either. Harry Reid, who advertises himself as “pro-life” said in March that he would vote for a health-care bill that provided taxpayer-funded abortions. There will be few if any Democrats in Congress that will stop health-care reform on the basis of taxpayer funding for abortions.
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I wonder if he could really survive the PR nightmare that would accompany such a move.
JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Who is Van Jones?
Ed Graef on July 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM
So……………this is how Americans will be imprisoned.
You guys, I’m so going to jail because I am not paying for this. This is not our country…this is not our home…it has been taken over, incrementally, and we’ve been sleeping. But, I will not participate in this. Gameover.
Mommypundit on July 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM
HotAir readers, I just called the Senators that blogger, ginaswe on July 19, 2009 at 1:12 PM so kindly posted.
Baucas – full
Nelson – full
Lincoln – full
Hagan -full
Bayh – full
Lieberman – full
Snow – full
Sounds like they were getting lots of calls, but they aren’t taking anymore. Please e-mail the Senators.
yoda on July 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM
the easy way to lower health care costs is to not pay the doctor and hospital bill. When Obamacare says ‘savings’, he means cutting payments to doctors and hospitals.
The problem with paying for everyone’s health insurance is that health insurance doesn’t cure anyone. What good is giving everyone health insurance when they won’t have a hospital or doctor to use it with.
The ‘lower medicare costs’ is simply not paying the doctors. That’s not health care reform. That’s turning doctors and hospitals into community organizers.
ThackerAgency on July 19, 2009 at 2:23 PM
even Catholic ones?
/sarc
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Obama does not care about the public relation night mare that using the reconciliation procedure with 50 votes will cause.He is on a mission to destroy this country and change it into a third world nation.
thmcbb on July 19, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Off Topic,
Guys take it easy on AP today, from Mega-Mac’s Twitter.
Poor AP is probably already drowning his sorrows.
conservnut on July 19, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I realize he doesn’t “care,” but the public clamor, including much of the MSM, may be such that he can’t do it. Technically, he has the votes, so he’d be highlighting the fact that his own party is against him. Dicey
JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I don’t think so. You can imagine the kind of headache it would create if we couldn’t fund anything that offended someone’s religious beliefs. The death penalty would have to go. No more funding for wars. etc…
RightOFLeft on July 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Harry Reid has a 29% from NARAL, but a 50% from NRLC, so he’s pretty squishy on the issue. I wouldn’t call him stringently pro-life, either.
Nethicus on July 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Hopefully with Maker’s Mark Kentucky Straight Bourbon.
darwin on July 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM
So are you saying that it’d be ok for the government to trample my 1st Amendment right to freely practice my religion would be ok simply because it’d be a ‘headache’ for them?
The Catholic Church, for one, is not opposed to war nor is it completely opposed to the death penalty, so those aren’t issues for Catholics. Participating in abortions in any way is however a mortal sin for Catholics.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM
I don’t know, this kind of blow may call for a really raggedy Mad Dog 20/20 kind of drunk.
conservnut on July 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
It’s simple really. By refusing to participate in tax funded abortions, you will be forcing your religious beliefs onto others and since there is that separation thing, it won’t matter what your beliefs are as they are totally separate from your responsibilities to the state.
Jvette on July 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Unfortunately, there are a lot of other religions besides Catholicism. There’d probably be a lot of new religions, too, once people found out they could set policy constitutionally by being offended. I’d start one where paying taxes at all would be a mortal sin.
RightOFLeft on July 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
To answer your other question: yes.
RightOFLeft on July 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I’ve never understood Harry Reid. He’s a member of the Church of Latter day Saints, i.e. a Mormon, yet he gives no indication of actually following their tenets. Last time I checked, they were against abortion.
Rightwingguy on July 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Quite the opposite. Religion is a personal thing. My refusal to participate in abortions is not “forcing” my religious beliefs on anyone, it’s simply obeying God according to my own beliefs. If you want to participate in abortions, go ahead, I’m not stopping you.
The “separation thing” doesn’t apply to us as individuals, it applies to the government and simply states that the government may not establish a religion.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Rightwingguy on July 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
he has no soul.
Ghoul aid on July 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Maker’s Mark is good, but there are plenty of good brands that don’t cost as much. But anyway, I do feel for Allahpundit today. I mean, MAN, that’s got to be a blow. Hopefully, he finds Jesus, or Megan McCain lets go of her stringent dating requirements.
Rightwingguy on July 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Not a case that any authority will accept. But I think it’s clear the modern US government is not capable of enforcing a law enough people are willing to violate.
Chris_Balsz on July 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
I want to be very clear that I understand you correctly. You are saying that it’s ok for the government to trample, take away, or otherwise violate rights granted to individuals by the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, simply because according those rights would be a “headache” or some sort of inconvenience for the government.
Do I have that correct?
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
It’s a question of which rights are the most constitutionally protected, one’s right to practice one’s religion or of course, the ultimate right which the constitution was expressly written to protect, the right to kill one’s baby before it’s birth.
Sorry, but that’s a no brainer for the the left. You will pay and if you are a doctor or hospital with conscientious objections to baby killing, too bad, you will perform this medical procedure or lose your funding and licensing.
Welcome to the new USA. In abortion we trust.
Jvette on July 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
This government doesn’t care. They will push through liberal policies and oh by the way, they are Catholics and Mormons as well as other faiths and they are very religious, except for the whole funding abortion thing. But other than that they are very religious and don’t mind having you, an actual Catholic funding it.
Rightwingguy on July 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I think I may owe you an apology. You gotta use the /sarc notification!
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Isn’t the death penalty a post natal abortion? Surely the liberals will have to make an exception in that case.
/sarc
Annar on July 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM
The New York Times ran an editorial by Peter Singer favoring Obamacare and arguing that health care rationing is a good thing. Peter Singer is a “bioethicist” who favors abortion and infanticide.
ajackson on July 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Actually I have a friend who thinks we need to allow abortions up until someone is 21.
Rightwingguy on July 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
You’re the guy who alleged yesterday that I didn’t understand Latin. How’d that work out for you?
Sorry I couldn’t reply to your ignorant comment sooner–I had to head to the airport.
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
As a Catholic, I believe what you believe. I was responding to the question as to whether or not a case can be made that our religious freedom will be infringed if our tax dollars will be used to fund this abomination. To the liberal, godless, left, this is a moot question due to the “separation” principle.
The state is their god, abortion their sacrament and the tax payer their golden goose. What do we do? Where do we turn? They have the votes. Let us all pray to God to spare this nation on behalf of the righteous who cry out against this slaughter.
Jvette on July 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Apparently. You don’t see any injunctions against obamacare based on constitutional conflicts do you? I should’ve been more clear, rather than more sarcastic, and for that I apologize. I don’t think it’s trampling your constitutional rights to acknowledge a reasonable limit to the rights granted by the first amendment. It’s not a popular thing to admit, but our rights aren’t absolute. The constitution isn’t a suicide pact, IOW.
RightOFLeft on July 19, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I understand your confusion, but I was not being sarcastic. I was relating how the left thinks and how they will justify their actions relating to forced funding of abortions. I was being dead on serious in response to a serious question.
God help us.
Jvette on July 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Apparently when feminists said “get your government hands off of my body” they only meant “let me have abortions, but if you want to pay for it, that’d be great!”
Rightwingguy on July 19, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I called and left some messages, but, most were full. I will be calling tomorrow, as will dh and extended family. I tell them that I am not a constituent. But, they are making really ignorant decisions DAILY which are directly affecting my family, therefore I have every right to comment as a fellow American. I said that I would work to defeat them, giving money to their opponent during reelection if they vote for this overhaul. I am watching. I have been calling these people all week………….pooped.
Mommypundit on July 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Well, I gotta go. We have Operation Save here in Vegas this weekend. Father Pavone and lots of crusaders for the unborn, what a blessing they are. Pray all you believers in Christ, the Lord hears our cries, but our prayers will be answered in His time not ours.
Jvette on July 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM
RightOFLeft on July 19, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
That’s one ‘operation’ where no one will have to wait; I guarantee you’ll be jacked up to the front of the line. Grandma may have to wait for 2 years on that hip replacement, but they’ll do that abortion on the spot……..I GUARANTEE THIS………Evil slimebags.
cjk on July 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Got to get the ‘quote’ button right!!
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
If you waited two years before performing an abortion, that would be murder. Think about it.
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM
It’s not necessarily a religious issue. It’s also a moral and a human issue. One doesn’t have to subscribe to some religion to believe that abortion is just plain wrong, and that the State has no right under the Constitution (as far as I can tell) to do any of this…be it having taxpayer money to reset a broken limb or yank a baby out of its mother.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Most politicians are, in practice irreligious and only go through the motions of belief to get elected. Phony Catholics like Kennedy and Pelosi and Mormons in name only like Reid will vote for any kind of killing (except the death penalty) that their liberal handbook calls for. The best way to get some kind of base line morality in politics would be to make holders of a law degree disqualified for public office since lying is built into the profession. It would also help if all religious litmus tests were to be abandoned.
Annar on July 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM
It’s murder no matter when it’s performed.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM
A license to kill is central to Socialist-Communist Totalitarianism.
Free thinkers and their progeny must be re-educated or exterminated for The Fatherland / Mother Russia.
viking01 on July 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM
I wonder if anyone still doubts that Obama is a socialist/commie bend on taking this country down to third world statistic?
thmcbb on July 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM
How did it work out? You don’t know science (or latin) or even the words you post.
Tell me again how abortion is the same when it removes/kills something that has completely different genetics from its mother?
I see you did not answer. I will take that as your answer.
Laughable.
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
I agree that it does not have to be a religious issue and that one doesn’t have to subscribe to any particular religion to find abortion abhorrent. However, my initial question as to the constitutionality of this was based on the government forcing members of certain religions to adandon their relgious beliefs.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Dim with a big D
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM
It’s amazing how men and women, especially women, have been tricked into thinking that killing their offspring is a good idea. Also mind boiggling is how they buy into the terminology … reproductive health?
darwin on July 19, 2009 at 3:21 PM
The definition of oxymoron!
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I will say one name: “hicsuget” .
As long as the left has such stupid followers they will win such battles. Sadly these idiots think they are smart throwing around latin terms without knowing how they should be used. Laughable.
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Actually after thinking about it, Granma would probably be euthannised before the hip replacement was ready.
cjk on July 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM
JPII was opposed to the Iraq invasion and opposed to the death penalty as applied in the U.S.
Tax dollars for abortion wouldn’t constitute a mortal sin since you aren’t directly involved. Already, your tax dollars go to subsidize planned parenthood, your local taxes may go to provide essential infrastructure to abortion providers, and of course you pay the salaries of the Supreme Court which decides the rule of law.
You can pay your taxes and also encourage women to not pursue abortion.
Even Jesus said “render unto Caesar”, and at that time Caesar was spending the money on fairly brutal and sinful ends.
dedalus on July 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM
The left will fight against the use of such chemicals as DDT but they love any chemical that can be put into a person’s body that will end a life.
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Also strange that we’ve played along with the “perform” an abortion versus “commit” a murder. “Perfrom” has such a benevolent tinge to it, sort of like performing a play or performing a concerto.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I thought the Latino community tended to be more pro-life than the general population. Unless of course they hope that whites terminate their babies and allow the country to roll Hispanic even quicker than it is..
Interestingly enough current insurance plans for government employees do not cover elective abortions.
katiejane on July 19, 2009 at 3:28 PM
That’s quite a case of projection you’ve got going on there, CW. You should have that checked out by a professional.
A person who understood English would have known that your first sentence quoted above is missing an antecedent (from Latin ante + cedere)–abortion is the same as what, exactly?
A tapeworm has “completely different genetics” from its host. Interesting that you should think it murder to remove one.
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Did everyone see this? This is exactly what’s going to happen if they have their way. Catholic hospitals will close and people will go to jail. The liberals have proven it with every abortion court case, every bill proposed, trying to “get” prolifers with RICO for carrying signs outside abortion mills, ad infinitum.
Abortion is THE super-right to them. NO other rights (for people other than themselves, that is) matter.
Please, please call your reps on Monday and express your views!
inviolet on July 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM
More Hicuget:
Wow Hic you are a liar and a pompous one as well
Ha ha ..good luck finding a fool to put up with you
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Sure, he will fund abortions; then he will fund euthanasia.
Babies and old people are just drags on the socialist paradise economy!
PattyJ on July 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Hic– rather than stay on topic you love to twist words
You are a liar and one who distorts truth
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM
You sell evil the same way you sell anything else … you make it appealing. “Pro-choice” is a good example. Tends to make people think they’re allowing some more latitude, more freedom … and labels the abortion opponent as “anti-choice”. Behind every progressive idea is a marketing team that determines how evil will be labeled and sold.
Planned Parenthood started out as the American Birth Control league whose mission was control of the “undesirables”. After the progressive’s agenda became too synonomous with Hilter’s own control of “undesirables”, the name was changed to Planned Parenthood.
darwin on July 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Comparing a tapeworm/host relationship to a baby/mother…you’re just the type of chump oscumma is looking for to formulate bio-ethics in his realm.
cjk on July 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM
There’s no need to raise the Social Security retirement age or worry about publik skools quality if you can kill ‘em.
viking01 on July 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Every time someone says they are “pro-choice” it is critically important to ask the follow-up question – “pro choice to do what?”.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM
You are childish in your arguments. No wonder you have troll the www for dates. Laughable
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I didn’t make the comparison–CW did; I was just pointing it out. Thanks for shooting the messenger.
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 3:40 PM
That must explain your existence. You were never a fetus, just a parasite.
Get serious.
ProfessorMiao on July 19, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Hicsuget- you and I know most medical procedures (that was the basis of your comment) have nothing to do with tapeworms or organisms that are not part of the mother.
Play the child
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Yes you did.
cjk on July 19, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I did? quote me
Grow up little man. You argue like a 12 year old .
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:43 PM
That’s disingenuous and you know it. The ‘pro-choice’ crowd skirt around the issue of whether abortion destroys life by saying that it merely involves the removal of a clump of cells. As abortion was comparable to removing an appendix.
ProfessorMiao on July 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Hiccup I will now leave the others to put up with your immaturity. Let me know how that internet dating works out for ya.
CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Actually in this case it would be preferable for society if the messenger was publicly tortured and then burned to death.
cjk on July 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM
When I saw this earlier today my first thought was “Man They’re worried” He was doing everything he could to try and make this seem like a good thing but just came off as someone who was told “Fix it or else”
Rbastid on July 19, 2009 at 3:47 PM
I can’t deny that that’s embarassing. What site is that on?
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Let’s suppose, purely for the sake of argument, that abortion is a “right” and that, as such, anyone who needs one but can’t afford it should get taxpayer assistance. Does that mean that if I want to exercise my Second Amendment rights but can’t afford a gun, I should get government assistance to buy one? Cool! Please send me a Smith & Wesson .357 revolver, Obama!
Logic on July 19, 2009 at 3:56 PM
“Man may never obey a law which is in itself immoral, and such is the case of a law which would admit in principle the liceity of abortion. Nor can he take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law or vote for it. Moreover, he may not collaborate in its application. It is, for instance, inadmissible that doctors or nurses should find themselves obligated to cooperate closely in abortions and have to choose between the law of God and their professional situation.” -“Declaration on Procured Abortion,” Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 18, 1974, #22.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 3:56 PM
see below:
I have a flight to board, so I can’t stay and play. Go to evening church services, or beat your wife and kids for a few hours, or whatever it is people like you do for fun; I’ll be back later this evening.
hicsuget on July 19, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Call your local library and see if they have a copy of a reference book called THE CONGRESSIONAL STAFF DIRECTORY. The book has information on each senator/representative, PLUS the DIRECT NUMBERS for key members of their staffs. So, if for example, Sen. Baucus’s mailbox is full, you can try the direct # for his staffer who’s in charge of health policy for him. Stuff those voice mailboxes, too.
Lurking Vet on July 19, 2009 at 3:59 PM
That’s a lot of discrimination for a chick who is the one of the new undiscriminating Republicans. Allah is worth a million of her.
Cindy Munford on July 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM
You already pay taxes into a government that makes it possible for more than a million abortions each year. If you feel that this incremental step crosses a moral threshold then you can line-item your tax return and deduct the percentage that subsidizes abortion. It may be small enough that the IRS doesn’t bother, but if they do they’ll want their money.
There are non-governmental steps that can be taken to reduce the number of abortions. How many dollars and man hours are being applied to those causes? It seems those might offer a better return on investment.
dedalus on July 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM
If this had been around when Obama’s teenaged mom was pregnant…
profitsbeard on July 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Shhhhhh!
Now he is going to start stalking you. :-)
conservnut on July 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Some older gentleman tried that locally about 20 years ago here in NY state, I believe. It took several years, but they ended the years-long dispute by taking and auctioning his house to pay the tax portion (IIRC it was about $12 per year or something, certainly below $25).
They WILL have their abortion money. No matter what they have to do to get it. Like I said: people in jail, hospitals closed, who cares as long as the babies are safely dead.
inviolet on July 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM
tomorrow am, it is totally on. there is not going to be a quiet phone in that capitol bldg all week. it is so on. this bill goes down and freedom is going to dance on its grave.
ted c on July 19, 2009 at 4:23 PM
I appreciate what you’re saying and perhaps I should have expressed my outrage sooner over government subsidies paid to Planned Parenthood for “reproductive health” services. However, I think there’s also a case that I was obeying the law by paying my taxes to the government and the government subsequently appropriated those legitimately collected funds for what I believe are illegitimate purposes. In the case of Obamacare I am being asked to pay specific taxes (yes, I’m one of those looking at a surtax) to support a law which includes and specifies directly government-funded abortions. I know this may be a quibble, but don’t laws hinge upon such things?
As to non-governmental steps that can be taken to reduce the number of abortions, I certainly do all that I can…not just to reduce them but mostly to eliminate them.
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Axccording to Focus on the Family, ObamaCare will enact most of the Freedom of Choice Act.
http://www.citizenlink.org/videofeatures/A000010516.cfm
jgapinoy on July 19, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Damn everything and everyone as long as molech gets his due.
cjk on July 19, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Well, I must go. Thank you everyone for a very enjou=yable discussion and afternoon!
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 4:45 PM
enjoyable too!
Trafalgar on July 19, 2009 at 4:45 PM
God I hope you are right, but I am having trouble seeing it. I must admit I have not been too engaged as I cannot stand the lefty newsers anymore. I rarely watch, then only FOX except Fridays when they have Whorealdo on.
They should give Whorealdo an assignment lookin for Pinnochio Presidentes’ Birth Certificate. Give the bastred some Hawaii vaca and get him the hell off the Fox show.
Tell me Presidente Pinnochio doesn’t have the votes with 60 Dem Senators and a few Dems wrapped in Republican hides!
I hope you are right I have e-mailed both senators and know my congressman is on the right side!
dhunter on July 19, 2009 at 4:52 PM
The real agenda is coming to light.
Johan Klaus on July 19, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Lurking Vet on July 19, 2009 at 3:59 PM
L.V. – Thank you so much for the information. I Googled the Senators a few minutes ago and got their state telephone numbers and will begin my calls again.
Thanks for your service to our country too!!
yoda on July 19, 2009 at 4:57 PM
The One is clearly drunk with power. He’s exercising his power with what he still perceives as a mandate from his victory in November. He has ZERO perspective and only yes men surrounding him.
The only other conclusion is he is on a mission to ruin the country.
The reasons why are unknown, we never did get to see a complete airing out of his past.
FireBlogger on July 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Whatever happened to, “Keep government out of my uterus”?
JohnInCA on July 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Government now says..
“All your organ are belong to us.”
Daggett on July 19, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Is this guy just outta grade school?!? WTF! My kids could put up a better front than this tool….Oh righhhht…I for got…”The “Adults” are in charge now”ughhhh.
NY Conservative on July 19, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Sounds like they want the HBO on demand channel.
Somehow people on the left have to pay for all the post birth abortions that took place in Iraq… Do we get a refund for those killings?
mycowardice on July 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM
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