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posted at 9:30 pm on July 19, 2009 by Allahpundit

“As for soon-to-be departing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Paul dismisses her supporters as ‘more establishment, conventional Country-Club type of Republicans.’

‘I wonder whether she’s energizing the 15-20 year olds,’ Paul muses. ‘That would be a question I would have. Because she doesn’t talk about the Federal Reserve and some of these issues. She doesn’t talk too much about personal liberties, civil liberties, getting rid of drug laws, attacking the war on drugs, punishing people who torture.’

Worse still, he adds, Palinites are partisans: ‘If Obama was the only one who was guilty, they would be on his case all the time, but there is a lot of partisanship and I am probably less partisan and therefore she is going to appeal to partisan Republicans better.’”

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Nite, Loxi, ‘Stater, the rest, and Lady, *tips hat* Night, Ma’am.

Lanceman on July 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM

sleep well

Upstater85 on July 20, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Later dudes and dudette’s.

Knucklehead on July 20, 2009 at 12:53 AM

Later dudes and dudette’s.

Knucklehead on July 20, 2009 at 12:53 AM

bout time

get your ass into bed

ive been sitting here waiting

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Had to do my nightcap nightly new check before heading to bed…

BBC

I’m sure Chavez will send his imaginary landing craft to hit the beach at dawn……

Limerick on July 20, 2009 at 12:56 AM

because obama came and gave him a quick lobotomy and he laid in bed forever until an illegal came and stole his kidneys and sold them in china to a russian mobster

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 AM

But then a beautiful girl saw him lying there asleep, twisting and turning in his blankies, yet so handsome that she simply had to kiss him.

And then all his nightmares about Obooboos went away and they lived happily ever after.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 12:57 AM

That’s cool. As far as Megan goes, I’d rather she just hit the books and educate herself.

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Agreed. But then, She’d probably lose almost all of her fans, as I’d guess most only read her to pretend they’re balanced and not because they want actual balance.

I have to say though, I’m only 27 and do agree with her on the need (or at least my wish) that we’d reach out to younger people.

Paris may have personal flaws, but she never plays the victim card like MeggyMac + she’s cunning and “intelligent,” whereas watching MeggyMac is like watching a deer get caught in the headlights of a mac truck… and then get hit.

Upstater85 on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Yeah, that sounds a bit right unfortunately. What bothers me most is that Megan likes to pretend she’s coming off as brilliant whenever she writes or says something. And yeah, I don’t remember her saying much about being victimized. I remember other people saying that when she was put in jail, and she whined a bit about it, but I don’t remember her railing on people, saying she was made an example of for her wealth. If that’s how she felt, she at least had the good sense to let others make that point.

Yeah. When my dad sets up his drum kit he puts the key in and starts tapping and making slight adjustments. I really can’t tell the difference.

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 12:48 AM

I feel so ignorant. But then, the drum section was a completely different world.

But now I play Guitar Hero: World Tour.

Esthier on July 20, 2009 at 12:57 AM

And then all his nightmares about Obooboos went away and they lived happily ever after.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 12:57 AM

until some sick freak with a qur’an came and killed them both and then Obama told everyone islam is peaceful

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:59 AM

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Uhm…you were heading to bed? I gotta get outta here soon myself. I have WORK people! You know, a JOB!

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM

you can tune em A B C etc

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:49 AM

To specific notes? Seriously? I had no idea. I’m actually not bad about hearing notes, but drums just sound like beats to me.

Esthier on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Esthier on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM

You and me both.

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM

You and me both.

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Glad I’m not alone.

Esthier on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM

To specific notes? Seriously? I had no idea. I’m actually not bad about hearing notes, but drums just sound like beats to me.

Esthier on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM

each drum has a “skin”
made out of polymers and stuff

it is pulled down by a ring and its “lugs” which connect the ring to the drum

the more you tighten the higher pitch you get

i have my drums tuned to C i believe

sleep well

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM

How is AnninCA holding up? Still on?

Upstater85 on July 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM

I’ve observed the following pattern: When you’re not posting at all, “she” is very talkative. But when you are posting, “she” gets very quiet. Care to explain that?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM

made out of polymers and stuffblatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Wow. You must be a chemistry major.:-)

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 1:03 AM

until some sick freak with a qur’an came and killed them both and then Obama told everyone islam is peaceful

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:59 AM

You better be good and go to sleep or no more bedtime stories for you.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:03 AM

Honduras’s interim government has rejected a proposal to solve the country’s political crisis, in effect ending talks with the ousted president.

The delegation’s head said Costa Rica’s proposal, which would see Manuel Zelaya return as leader of a unity government, was “absolutely unacceptable”.

Upstater85 on July 20, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Does anybody know if Palin has made a statement in the past three weeks in support of our ally, Honduras?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:04 AM

sleep well

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM

You too. Night everyone.

And your explanation makes sense. If strings pulled to a certain extent can make a specific note, then the “skin” can as well. Saw your videos, btw. Hope your band does well. You’re incredibly talented.

Esthier on July 20, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Does anybody know if Palin has made a statement in the past three weeks in support of our ally, Honduras?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Why?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Ron Paul…a Never Has Been

His political career ended the minute Bruno dropped his pants in front of the clearly uncomfortable Mr. Creaky while they were in a hotel room together on film.

He will never recover from that.

NEVER!

BillaryMcBush on July 20, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Does anybody know if Palin has made a statement in the past three weeks in support of our ally, Honduras?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Just did an advanced Google News search and can’t find any statements from Governor Palin about Honduras. Or, any statements about Honduras from any of our other governors.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Why?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 AM

What do you mean, why? I’d like to know if she stands with or against Honduras.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Probably because it isn’t a governor’s job to set foreign policy.

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 1:14 AM

blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 12:59 AM

I’ll send you some tuning tips, but I like my snares tight as hell, and like to tune my toms in a strange way – I tighten them slightly unevenly, to make them a little like a steel drum. I tune my floor toms tight, but don’t like the damn things – nowadays (since the mid-70′s, that is..) people like those top-mounted smaller toms, and they are usually tight. I was first taught tuning on a tympani and those damn things have to be constantly tuned.
I play old Rogers and Pearl and have a Slingerland snare that is from the early 40′s that is identical to the old set that Buddy Rich had and it still has a beautiful tone.
It has the best rims shots I ever heard.
I started with Ludwigs when I was 11 because, you know, Ringo had them and the girls liked the Beatles… Gretsch got a lot better… their snares used to be pretty crappy, as I recall. Or maybe it was just one of their cheaper models I played on once. The maple rims were coming apart on that one.
I generally just noodle around now, and have gone back to my old Stone and Jim Chapin stick control books to keep up my chops. Good old rudimentary drumming, with the Moeller triplets. My uncle can still do a single stroke roll like a buzzsaw, so I guess the muscles still can work as you get older…

TexasJew on July 20, 2009 at 1:15 AM

Just did an advanced Google News search and can’t find any statements from Governor Palin about Honduras. Or, any statements about Honduras from any of our other governors.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Of Liz Cheney, that I’m aware of.

DeMint has spoken out strongly on Honduras’ behalf during their time of need. If Reagan were alive today and in their shoes, he would have as well.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:18 AM

I’d like to know if she stands with or against Honduras.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Perhaps I’m mistaken, but isn’t it routine practice for American Governors to keep a low profile, that is remain silent regarding, any foreign crisis? Other than perhaps some tame platitudes? As in the old saying, “Politics ends at the waters edge.” But perhaps you could email her. She is on line.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Probably because it isn’t a governor’s job to set foreign policy.

Rightwingguy on July 20, 2009 at 1:14 AM

I didn’t ask what her policy was, I asked if she stands with our ally or not.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Perhaps I’m mistaken, but isn’t it routine practice for American Governors to keep a low profile, that is remain silent regarding, any foreign crisis?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:18 AM

I don’t know, did Reagan ever comment about the Soviet Union while he was governor? I’m pretty sure he did.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 AM

What do you mean, why? I’d like to know if she stands with or against Honduras.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Does Palin have access to all the intel about Honduras? No she doesn’t. Palin probably knows about as much as you & I do about Honduras. Palin probably would stand with the Honduran’s based on their constitutional rights. Does Palin need to speak out for Honduras at this time? Maybe yes it would be a good idea but would it be the prudent thing to do? No it wouldn’t.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Palin isn’t only a governor, any way, she was a VP candidate with possible presidential ambition. And what’s Romney’s excuse?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Does Palin have access to all the intel about Honduras?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Why would she need access to intel? What’s the mystery?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:23 AM

Palin probably knows about as much as you & I do about Honduras.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM

That’s my point. I don’t have access to “intel” and I know plenty about Honduras. I stand with Honduras. DeMint stands with Honduras. Does Palin and Mitt stand with Honduras?

If not, why not?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:24 AM

Of Liz Cheney, that I’m aware of.

DeMint has spoken out strongly on Honduras’ behalf during their time of need. If Reagan were alive today and in their shoes, he would have as well.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Well, Liz Cheney is not an office holder or considered a candidate for office. And Senator DeMint is in the legislative body that is normally viewed as dealing with foreign policy, per its treaty approval authority.

I don’t know what Governor Reagan would have done. Perhaps you are correct. Do you recall him speaking out on foreign policy crises as Governor? I don’t, at least not at this hour.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:24 AM

WTF is a country club Republican anyway? I consider Kathleen Parker and Chris Buckley country club Republicans and they abandoned McCain for Obama even before he picked Palin.

Speedwagon82 on July 20, 2009 at 1:26 AM

Does Palin need to speak out for Honduras at this time?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Absolutely she does, if she’s any kind of leader at all. So does Mitt. Honduras is being railroaded by Obama and the international community. They’ve been our ally since Reagan and have troops in Iraq.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Well, Liz Cheney is not an office holder or considered a candidate for office.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:24 AM

That’s true… my disappointment in Liz Cheney is from the perspective that I considered her a strong contender for the WH some day. If she doesn’t have any plans in that capacity, or to play a leadership role of some sort in the conservative movement, there’s no expectation that she would have a position.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Why would she need access to intel? What’s the mystery?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:23 AM

I said it would not be the prudent thing to do at this time. This is would be more appropriate for a senator to speak out on and not a sitting governor. After she steps down on the the 26th she may release a statement. I would venture to guess that remaining out of the conversation for her now is protocol. I think now is not the time for foreign policy decisions sitting state governor. This is Obama’s call and he owns it. Do follow me now.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

did Reagan ever comment about the Soviet Union while he was governor? I’m pretty sure he did.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 AM

I believe that’s true. He was very strongly and vocally opposed to communism and Soviet rule. However, what about commenting on an ongoing foreign policy crisis?

Personally, I would prefer more Senators to speak out in favor of Honduras remaining free from Chavez-like rule. Yet, where do they and any governor get their background information? The NY Times? I lay odds the State Department is giving no briefings to governors about what is happening behind the scenes. Maybe something for senators. I hope.

So, other than talking in generalities, and given a probable lack of information more than is available on line, I wonder what Governor Palin could say that would not potentially cause trouble.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

I said it would not be the prudent thing to do at this time

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Can you post that in you GHW Bush voice, please?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Can you post that in you GHW Bush voice, please?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:35 AM

No I can’t but maybe Dana Carvy from the old SNL can.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:38 AM

No I can’t but maybe Dana Carvy from the old SNL can.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:38 AM

But, wouldn’t be prudent.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:39 AM

I said it would not be the prudent thing to do at this time.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

If you guys are correct that it’s against longstanding protocol for a governor to support an ally in their time of need, then you have a point.

But if it’s only customary to the extent that most governors don’t have presidential ambitions and haven’t run for VP, so there is no expectation that they would even have an opinion on these issues, then not so much. For example, if Reagan commented on similar events during his governorship, then Palin’s excuse evaporates.

And Mitt certainly doesn’t have any excuse unless he’s given up on attaining the WH.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:40 AM

However, what about commenting on an ongoing foreign policy crisis?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

The Cold was was more than an ongoing crisis, it was one of the biggest crisis in world history. And I suspect that Reagan didn’t limit his commentary to USSR proper.

And Honduras was a project of his.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:43 AM

And Mitt certainly doesn’t have any excuse unless he’s given up on attaining the WH.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:40 AM

…And he might as well, because it’s been three weeks and not a peep about Honduras as far as I’m aware. What kind of leadership is that?

The issue probably didn’t show up in his focus groups….

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:45 AM

But, wouldn’t be prudent.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Actully the prudent is from Declarations — We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal…. and so forth…. Google that phrase and it will lead you to…. prudence inded will dictate that governments are established and should not be changed…..it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it…. freedom indeed will dictate that all…………

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:45 AM

OT

New poll shows:

public approval of President Obama’s stewardship on the issue has dropped below the 50 percent threshold for the first time,

according to …
wait for it………
WaPo/ABC

Of course they still have their stinking thumbs all over the scales in this one but even with that they couldn’t wrangle up over 50% approval of Obama’s handling of healthcare.

msmveritas on July 20, 2009 at 1:52 AM

If you guys are correct that it’s against longstanding protocol for a governor to support an ally in their time of need, then you have a point.

But if it’s only customary to the extent that most governors don’t have presidential ambitions and haven’t run for VP, so there is no expectation that they would even have an opinion on these issues, then not so much. For example, if Reagan commented on similar events during his governorship, then Palin’s excuse evaporates.

And Mitt certainly doesn’t have any excuse unless he’s given up on attaining the WH.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:40 AM

I believe I’m correct about the customary protocol. That doesn’t mean the protocol is right. On the other hand, though, look at the risks involved in multiple governors and senators speaking out about such a crisis and speaking to differing “facts” because they haven’t been given all the professional background material. They could look terribly foolish and like they are getting involved in something where they don’t belong or have the relevant facts.

Now, if we were in a presidential campaign, even in the primary stages, I would expect the State Department would be offering very detailed information to all candidates. So, there would be more talk.

But yes, you are right that if Reagan or other governors spoke out during crises in the past, then we could well expect Palin, Romney and all potential 2012 candidates to speak out. It seems very situational though. I’d rather have them remain quiet and encourage pundits from our side to be blasting Barry in the press for this.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:57 AM

If you guys are correct that it’s against longstanding protocol for a governor to support an ally in their time of need, then you have a point.

But if it’s only customary to the extent that most governors don’t have presidential ambitions and haven’t run for VP, so there is no expectation that they would even have an opinion on these issues, then not so much. For example, if Reagan commented on similar events during his governorship, then Palin’s excuse evaporates.

And Mitt certainly doesn’t have any excuse unless he’s given up on attaining the WH.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Why don’t you google “protocol of foreign policy talk for a sitting state governor? Do it but I don’t think you’ll find anything except for maybe when it deals with the an international trade & commerce situation.
[btw] Palin is not running for president.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Actully the prudent is from Declarations…

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:45 AM

There was a Bush in on that too? I swear they really have been running this country right from the beginning. It just goes to show you, it’s a Bush man’s world.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:01 AM

There was a Bush in on that too? I swear they really have been running this country right from the beginning. It just goes to show you, it’s a Bush man’s world.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:01 AM

Ha Ha

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:04 AM

New poll shows:

public approval of President Obama’s stewardship on the issue has dropped below the 50 percent threshold for the first time,

according to …
wait for it………
WaPo/ABC

msmveritas on July 20, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let’s sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Altogether shout it now
There’s no one
Who can doubt it now
So let’s tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again

Hope for Change in 2010! Yes we can!

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:04 AM

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 1:57 AM

Romney’s not a governor and State Department briefings are not necessary to know what’s been going on in Honduras. I know what’s going on there and I haven’t been briefed.

And I’m not even planning on running for president in ’12.

Let’s put it this way. Any person with presidential ambition that doesn’t stand with Honduras, now, (unless they have a damn good excuse, and possibly Palin does), is not a leader and is not presidential material.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:06 AM

I still am reminded of that quote from blogger “The Other McCain”:

“Just because you don’t know what Sarah Palin is doing doesn’t mean that she doesn’t know what she’s doing.”

Go SarahCUDA.

Metro on July 20, 2009 at 2:07 AM

Ha Ha

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:04 AM

You know, you’re not so funny at this hour either.

The pay here is rotten. And the customers stink.

And I’m beginning to wonder about the other members of the crew.

So if you can do better, be my guest.

And now, back to the good news: HMS Obama just hit an iceberg. YAY!

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:08 AM

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:04 AM

It’s funny that you would break into a song that was written during the 1930′s. Why is that I wonder? Are you feeling FDRish?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:08 AM

Palin is not running for president.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Unless she has a good excuse for not standing by our ally, it’s for the best that she doesn’t run for president.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

Are you feeling FDRish?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:08 AM

No, I’m feeling irony. Thick and deep.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM

You know, you’re not so funny at this hour either.

The pay here is rotten. And the customers stink.

And I’m beginning to wonder about the other members of the crew.

So if you can do better, be my guest.

And now, back to the good news: HMS Obama just hit an iceberg. YAY!

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:08 AM

I must be tired then because you are usally funny. What happened to upstater85?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:11 AM

Unless she has a good excuse for not standing by our ally, it’s for the best that she doesn’t run for president.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

unlike our current figurehead….

Fighton03 on July 20, 2009 at 2:14 AM

I must be tired then because you are usally funny. What happened to upstater85?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:11 AM

It’s just us old foggies, bub.

The youngins gots to go to bed so they can be worken on the morrow for Red China. We has Stimulus checks to pay.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:17 AM

Unless she has a good excuse for not standing by our ally, it’s for the best that she doesn’t run for president.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

Whatever. You have proven to me on this thread that you don’t do your own homework before making outlandish assertions on whether a governor should be speaking out against what is considered to be a national/federal domain issue.{e.g., foreign f*cking policy}
[btw] Palin is not running for president. When and if she does declare it, then we can say that she is running for president. Until that time she not running for president. Get it now?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:19 AM

Whatever. You have proven to me on this thread that you don’t do your own homework before making outlandish assertions on whether a governor should be speaking out against what is considered to be a national/federal domain issue.{e.g., foreign f*cking policy}

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:19 AM

Alrighty then, I guess you must be pretty certain that Reagan never spoke out on foreign policy issues while he was governor.

Get it now?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:19 AM

Got it. Palin is hereby absolved of any leadership responsibilities until such time that she declares a bid for the presidency, (if she does), at which point she will have virtually no foreign policy record to run on, as Reagan DID.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Unless she has a good excuse for not standing by our ally, it’s for the best that she doesn’t run for president.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

um…. what?

do you remember when then-governor of California Gray Davis made a statement on the Liberian Civil War in 2002? yeah, me neither. because he didn’t.

do you remember when then-governor Bill Richardson made a statement on the border war between Mali & Niger a few years ago? me neither. again, he didn’t.

do you remember when then-governor george w bush made a statement on the second chechen war in the late 90s? yeah, me neither. because he didn’t.

GOVERNORS DONT DICTATE FOREIGN POLICY.

….But apparently Palin’s “HONDURAN LOCKOUT” means she will NEVAH be president.

New post for Ed:

“Is Palin’s political career over?

Yes. Because of Honduras.”

CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

Honduras? Isn’t that a continent or something?

/tina fey

hillbillyjim on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

Any person with presidential ambition that doesn’t stand with Honduras, now, (unless they have a damn good excuse, and possibly Palin does), is not a leader and is not presidential material.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:06 AM

I don’t think that’s true. Otherwise, there would be dozens of politicians spouting off about every foreign incident every time. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong, I believe that doesn’t happen, and believe has very rarely happened.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

It’s just us old foggies, bub.

The youngins gots to go to bed so they can be worken on the morrow for Red China. We has Stimulus checks to pay.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:17 AM

Can you believe that the Sec of Commerce said the USA will cover the cost of China’s greehouse gas emmissions? That effer is my former governor Gary Locke. He was an idiot then and remains so evidently. [btw] when he was gov. fo WA there was some shady deals done with the china lobby as far as back door campaign contributions streaming towards his re-election bid for his second term. M. Malken covered on her blog when he was being vetted for Sec of Commerce.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

Can you believe that the Sec of Commerce said the USA will cover the cost of China’s greehouse gas emmissions?

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

Yes.

There is no stoop too low in this administration.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:32 AM

Honduras? Isn’t that a continent or something?

/tina fey

hillbillyjim on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

You know far too much about the inner workings of Tina’s mind.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:34 AM

do you remember when then-governor george w bush made a statement on the second chechen war in the late 90s? yeah, me neither. because he didn’t.

battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

I wasn’t aware that Chencia was an ally of ours at the time, or ever.

I don’t remember Gray Davis running as a VP candidate.

And isn’t Bill Richardson a cartoon character?

The way to shut down my tentative argument is by explaining that Reagan didn’t comment on foreign policy matters while he was Governor. If that’s true then you’ve proved your point.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:35 AM

SP: Chechnya

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:36 AM

battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

Thanks, that good of you to do that for us. Let the healing begin for us all. Floatingrock means well though I’m sure. It just falls back on being informed versus being misinformed on the subject of protocol.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 2:37 AM

You know far too much about the inner workings of Tina’s mind.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:34 AM

I tried BrainBleach™ but it didn’t take.

hillbillyjim on July 20, 2009 at 2:45 AM

But then a beautiful girl saw him lying there asleep, twisting and turning in his blankies, yet so handsome that she simply had to kiss him.

And then all his nightmares about Obooboos went away and they lived happily ever after.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 12:57 AM

I love happy endings. Too bad that isn’t one. Because the kiss lead to you-know-what and then they had to get married and then after a while they took out Obama’s being President on each other and their sex life dried up and they started trowing things at each other and both had a nervous breakdown and ended up begging for money at the freeway exits. See that’s what that kind of thing leads to.

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 2:46 AM

The way to shut down my tentative argument is by explaining that Reagan didn’t comment on foreign policy matters while he was Governor. If that’s true then you’ve proved your point.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:35 AM

I’ve done a brief internet search and found nothing, but that doesn’t prove Reagan didn’t speak out on a foreign policy crisis while Governor. The thing is, it’s extremely difficult to prove something didn’t happen. How about you cite one example in the positive.

To me, I would love it if Honduras was allowed to freely follow it’s constitutional procedures without interference from Obama. So, when it comes to Honduras, I criticize Obama, not any potential candidate for 2012, but the guy currently responsible for standing up for a wannabe dictator who is a friend of Hugo, and the guy responsible for trying to interfere in the internal affairs of Honduras.

If this situation were reversed and we had a Republican trying to help install a dictator in Latin America today, the press and the Senate would be screaming bloody murder. And so, I prefer we shoot at Obama over this, and not one another.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:49 AM

I don’t think that’s true. Otherwise, there would be dozens of politicians spouting off about every foreign incident every time.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

I don’t consider the situation in Honduras just another foreign policy incident. They’re an ally of ours and they’re being railroaded. I feel certain that Reagan would not stand by and remain silent even if he were governor at the time. However even if your correct on that point, it may excuse Palin but Mitt Romney certainly isn’t covered by it.

Reagan was never a senator. How many State Department briefings did he receive? For him to have accumulated a record on foreign policy issues over the years he must have been outspoken on these matters.

So even if Palin has a legitimate excuse, Romney doesn’t. And don’t anybody tell me that, “Romney is not running for president. When and if he does declare it, then we can say that he is running for president. Until that time he’s not running for president.”

This is about leadership potential not linguistic technicalities.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:50 AM

I tried BrainBleach™ but it didn’t take.

hillbillyjim on July 20, 2009 at 2:45 AM

A laundry metaphor. Wrong direction, dear.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:52 AM

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 2:46 AM

Someday, you will fall completely in love with a really beautiful lady who loves you with all her heart too. And when you kiss, that little theory of yours will all melt away like snow in summer.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:57 AM

And so, I prefer we shoot at Obama over this, and not one another.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:49 AM

My goal isn’t to shoot at our own but to shame them into picking up their dropped rifle and rejoining the fight. Any potential candidate for ’12 that doesn’t have an excuse should stand by a democratic ally in the process of being railroaded. Reagan would have, (at least when he wasn’t governor), and in fact Honduras was a project of his. His effort is being potentially undone by Obama and it may lead to civil war in Honduras. If it does, are our so called leaders going to continue to stand by the sidelines while our ally is besieged by Obama’s Marxist friends?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:01 AM

If it does, are our so called leaders going to continue to stand by the sidelines while our ally is besieged by Obama’s Marxist friends?

…Or will they finally find their voice then, after it’s too late?

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:03 AM

“As for soon-to-be departing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Paul dismisses her supporters as ‘more establishment, conventional Country-Club type of Republicans.’

It is interesting how he labels Sarah’s supporters with such a narrow description forgetting that many people, regardless of their station in life, support her because she connects on a level unseen to those who just don’t have the eyes to see.

She connects to the inner belief that America is the greatest nation on Earth, forged on people just like her who lived regular lives, with regular problems, but have an extraordinary belief in and love for their country and its’ potential beyond the rhetoric, actions, and even lies from those who seek to dismiss and change what has in the past, and will again, made our Nation great.

Those who cannot see, will not see because the Heart of America is deeper than talking the talk then walking away as most of our leaders do. Sara Palin talks the talk and walks the walk, sometimes clumsily, sometimes not, but always with the best interest of the United States at heart. That is the draw, not some country club membership or elitist Republican manifesto. If Ron Paul truly knew what Sarah Palin was all about then he would be praising her rather than limiting her scope of attraction.

Miss Molly on July 20, 2009 at 3:06 AM

The thing is, it’s extremely difficult to prove something didn’t happen. How about you cite one example in the positive.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 2:49 AM

I think it would be difficult to prove it either way using the Internet unless somebody has written something on that specific point. I was hoping that somebody more familiar with Reagan’s history could answer the question.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:07 AM

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:50 AM

I know you mean well but you need to either prove Reagan did what you say he did while in the governor’s chair or just let it go for now. We have a president of the United States and it is his doctrine that must be adhered to. It is up to the people of the U.S. to contact the White House and tell him he is doing it wrong. Call your U.S. rep & senator to voice your opinion. This is how government works. Palin speaking out now would be perceived as a political party tactic by the White House and the state run media. They know that if she did it she would be exceeding her authority as a state governor & there would be a backlash against Palin and eventually the rupublican party. Try to consider what I’ve written here and tell me if it makes common sense or not.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:08 AM

Try to consider what I’ve written here and tell me if it makes common sense or not.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:08 AM

Well it may make common sense but it seems very wrong nonetheless.

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 3:10 AM

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 2:46 AM

That kiss is experienced differently by everyone, of course, but it sounded sort of like this for me. Don’t miss out on it, and don’t ever forget it.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:14 AM

Nucking Futs

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:19 AM

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:19 AM

So, when you go to a bar, to you eat near buts?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:22 AM

Well it may make common sense but it seems very wrong nonetheless.

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 3:10 AM

This is a foreign policy issue which is handled at the federal level. You know and I know that Obama is going to end up eating crow on this unless he reverses himself. To help him change his mind on this issue is normally persuaded by the people, congress and/or the 4th estate. since to 4th estate is in the tank for Obama then that leaves up to the people of the U.S. and congress. Make some phone calls & tell the congress he is doing it all wrong. Also, tell your representatives that you will remember that they stood by and let this proceed unabated.
Consequences of not being re-elected have a tendancy to make an otherwise flacid representative motivated to action. This is how government works in a free republic.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:25 AM

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:19 AM

near buts = neer buts

Sorry, my dylsexia is not torking well wonight.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:26 AM

Palin speaking out now would be perceived as a political party tactic by the White House and the state run media.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:08 AM

I’ll concede that for now but it still doesn’t excuse Romney, I don’t think. Reagan definitely commented on foreign policy issues before and after his governorship. Unless he only did so during presidential campaigns, which I doubt, it would seem that only Romney prevents Romney from speaking out on Honduras.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:26 AM

Let’s put it this way. Any person with presidential ambition that doesn’t stand with Honduras, now, (unless they have a damn good excuse, and possibly Palin does), is not a leader and is not presidential material.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 2:06 AM

My perspective (coming from a layman with little education) is that these things come out in good time when the questions get asked. For Mr. Obama, we didn’t even know and still don’t on many international issues, where he stands. He continues to astound and disgust many of us with his amateurish like approach to matters of grave importance.

Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney to my knowledge, are not formally running for President nor have they stated in no uncertain terms that they are or will be.

I understand your concern but I think that right now we are having a domestic crisis with a far greater impact on Americans than Honduras and those are the issues that need to dominate the day.

It is certain that if either one of them formally announces they are running for POTUS or any other office, they will be asked where they stand on Honduras. Until then though, I believe it does not negate their potential or qualifications for the office of President.

Miss Molly on July 20, 2009 at 3:29 AM

That kiss is experienced differently by everyone, of course, but it sounded sort of like this for me. Don’t miss out on it, and don’t ever forget it.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:14 AM

Well that sounds very ominous to me. I can hear the divorce lawyers calling already.

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 3:30 AM

since to 4th estate is in the tank for Obama then that leaves up to the people of the U.S. and congress. Make some phone calls & tell the congress he is doing it all wrong. Also, tell your representatives that you will remember that they stood by and let this proceed unabated.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:25 AM

That would make sense except that, because the 4th estate is in the tank, most American’s, (it’s my impression), don’t know the truth about what’s going on in Honduras and don’t realize that Honduras isn’t just another banana republic, that they’re an ally.

What’s required is leadership. Somebody to draw attention to the truth of the matter so that the media’s propaganda effort will fail now rather than after it’s potentially too late for Honduras.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:33 AM

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 3:30 AM

To me, it’s sounds ecstatic.

Life isn’t a fairy tale and isn’t perfect. But you don’t need perfection for happiness. And some people do actually live happily ever after. So, I still have hope that you’ll be purring another tune someday.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:36 AM

Sorry, my dylsexia is not torking well wonight.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:26 AM

I get that feeling often my friend.

Fat fingers, type bad, ouch!

I’m totally cannot tell if I’m reading Meghan McCain or channeling Ron Paul.

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:36 AM

I’m getting off this merry-go-round. Good night all.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:37 AM

I’m getting off this merry-go-round. Good night all.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:37 AM

What, no brass ring to grab on to?

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:42 AM

That would make sense except that, because the 4th estate is in the tank, most American’s, (it’s my impression), don’t know the truth about what’s going on in Honduras and don’t realize that Honduras isn’t just another banana republic, that they’re an ally.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:33 AM

If the truth of what is happening in Honduras isn’t reported on, did it still happen?

Cheshire Cat on July 20, 2009 at 3:42 AM

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Dude. Stop digging!

;>

soundingboard on July 20, 2009 at 3:48 AM

I believe it does not negate their potential or qualifications for the office of President.

Miss Molly on July 20, 2009 at 3:29 AM

Real leaders don’t abandon an ally because it suits their own political ambition. Those are politicians. Real leaders stand with their allies in their time of need because it’s the right thing to do.

I understand your concern but I think that right now we are having a domestic crisis with a far greater impact on Americans than Honduras and those are the issues that need to dominate the day.

Historically speaking, isolationism has been very dangerous and has cost a lot of American blood and treasure.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2009 at 3:50 AM

I’m totally cannot tell if I’m reading Meghan McCain or channeling Ron Paul.

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:36 AM

You really need to get out to the beach tomorrow and look at people. Either that, or take a boat out to ʻAlenuihāhā Channel and look at the sea life. In either case perhaps you’ll eventually realize there is a big difference between Meghan McCain and Ron Paul, or forget all about them and find more pleasant objects of study.

Anyway, isn’t there a law that Hawai’ians can’t complain about anything?

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:53 AM

I’m getting off this merry-go-round. Good night all.

Americannodash on July 20, 2009 at 3:37 AM

Good night.

What, no brass ring to grab on to?

Kini on July 20, 2009 at 3:42 AM

He has plenty of brass already.

Loxodonta on July 20, 2009 at 3:54 AM

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