Commerce Secretary: America needs to pay for China’s emissions

posted at 12:00 pm on July 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It’s bad enough that the Obama administration wants to penalize all Americans for their energy use through the cap-and-tax scheme that will hobble our economy and hike electricity and gas costs, but until now they only proposed to penalize us for our own energy use.  With China refusing to join the West in economic suicide, who will pay for their emissions?  Commerce Secretary says that the American consumer is to blame for China’s energy-production emissions — and we’ll pay for that instead of the Chinese:

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said something amazing—U.S. consumers should pay for part of Chinese greenhouse-gas emissions. From Reuters:

“It’s important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America — and it’s our own consumption activity that’s causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that,” Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai.

The idea that rich-country consumers should pick up the tab for some of China’s industrial emissions has been gaining currency lately—but not from within the Obama administration. The argument is that many of China’s factories churn out cheap stuff for the West, not for domestic consumption, so those consumers are actually responsible for the emissions. China, of course, loves the idea.

Commerce sent this non-responsive statement to the Wall Street Journal when they reported this late Friday night:

“Secretary Locke has been very clear on emphasizing the importance of fair trade as a part of the United States’ relationship with China. He believes U.S. companies should not be disadvantaged by Chinese imports not bound by responsible policies to reduce carbon emissions. China and the US must work together to ensure a level playing field and reduce our carbon footprints. The Secretary’s trip to China demonstrated his commitment to fair trade and his belief that both the United States and China can benefit from shared investments and cooperation in clean energy that will lead to commercial and environmental benefits for both countries.”

This could happen in one of two ways.  The Obama administration could make cap-and-tax more expensive in order to make up for the emissions from China, which would absolutely delight Beijing.  In fact, that would allow them an easily-adjustable pressure point on the American economy by simply increasing their emissions.  If the US increased the penalties for domestic emissions in order to compensate, the Chinese could sell their good much more cheaply in the US than domestic producers.

The other option would be energy-production tariffs on imported goods, which would touch off a trade war with China.  That would make goods more expensive in the US at the same time energy bills begin to skyrocket, launching an inflationary spiral and begging China for retaliation.  Since China holds a large amount of US debt, that retaliation could get extremely expensive for both countries.

The US does not need to pay for China’s carbon emissions, even if the “greenhouse effect” presents a danger to the planet, a theory which increasingly looks suspect.  This is yet another version of the blame-America impulse in the Obama administration, one that will hit us all in the wallet — and in our outlets and furnaces.

Update: My friend Derek Brigham of Freedom Dogs has a great new graphic for the Obama administration’s Blame America Tour 2009.  Be sure to use it — and to link back to Derek when you do:


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Hillary – “we (us) have made mistakes…

journeyintothewhirlwind on July 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:39 PM

The eco-freaks might accuse us of causing plant obesity when they undergo a growth spurt from all the delectable carbon dioxide released in the area. The fungi will appreciate the effort also with all the extra carbon sources needed to be decomposed and recycled.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Just heard on radio that India announced we could take our carbon limits and stuff ‘em. India was not about to shoot itself in the foot like that.

petefrt on July 19, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Anything else we can pay for? How about we donate a trillion in stimulus to Russia? It’s the least we can do.

exceller on July 19, 2009 at 12:45 PM

“We acknowledge now with President Obama that we have made mistakes in the United States, and we along with other developed countries have contributed most significantly to the problem that we face with climate change,” she said. “We are hoping a great country like India will not make the same mistakes.”

She was referring to Obama’s statement in Italy earlier this month that the U.S. had “sometimes fallen short” of its responsibilities in controlling its carbon emissions

. -Hillary Clinton

journeyintothewhirlwind on July 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Every day it seems like another Obama administration says or does something stupid. I mean s.t.u.p.i.d.

Terrye on July 19, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Short of asking this idiot if he has taken leave of whatever is remaining of his senses, has anyone even bothered to ask Commerce Secretary Gary Locke to detail his explanation as to why he would make such a stupid, insipid, boneheaded statement to begin with?

What is is with these people B.O. chose to surround himself with? They take the expression “Confederacy Of Dunces” to a level I didn’t even think was possible to attain!

pilamaye on July 19, 2009 at 12:49 PM

exceller on July 19, 2009 at 12:45 PM

How about we throw in a couple of $billion to support nuclear research in NoKo and Iran, if they promise to be nice to us until after the 2010 elections.

petefrt on July 19, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Silver lining: The Revolution will come before I am too old to fight in it.

Don’t Tread On Me.

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I never thought I’d agree with a statement like that, but I honestly can’t see any other way out of the mess Obama and the Democrats are about to put us into. Voting these idiots out in 2010 won’t do anything but stall Obama for a short while, but when things start to go bad in 2011 and leading up to the 2012 election Obama will just point to the Republicans and say “it’s their fault!” People will buy his crap once again and we’ll be back to square one, just like Clinton, but far worse.

We have a massive voting populace in this country that have no respect or understanding of the Constitution, and so they’re happy to see it trashed all for the sake of helping the little guy. Its much like the loyalists during the Revolution, they were happy to pay through the nose and loose precious freedoms if it meant having the security of the King and his army. The only way out of that mess was for free men to rise up and correct the injustice against personal liberty.

I fear that time is fast approaching again, and I sense these goons in Washington know it as well. Prediction: once Obama has the health care bill and cap and tax passed his next target will be the second amendment.

smfoushee on July 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Hey, why not pay for every household around the world because after all, we are the superpower so we must be responsible for everything thing wrong in the entire world. Heck, let’s make it the universe. I’m sure that we are responsible for sun spots and any other solar disturbances. We are going to be a third world country before the end of his first term if this keeps up!

flytier on July 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Andrew Sullivan’s guest poster at the Daily Dish today gave this very revealing quote: Claymation and violence go together like Palin and the Dish (and don’t miss the man-eating piano at the end):

And this was at the Belmont Club. http://tiny.cc/Kbew0

Okay. Let’s get it on.

Mr. Joe on July 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM

OT: Ron Paul says Sarah Palin is a country club Republican

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25109.html

lol

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:53 PM

The Chinese and Indians have no desire to do any climate change. Both are insisting that america and Europe carry the burden.

Kyoto was a hoax from the start.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I disagree. They aren’t insisting we carry the burden. They think we’re nucking futs, but realize that all they have to do is stay out of the way and we will remove ourselves from competition. They probably spend a great deal more time worrying about how they will avoid their countries from going insane once they are #1 than they do worrying about some bizarre and flat-earth notion like global warming. climate change. weather.

Immolate on July 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM

This is great news. Just let them so much as propose it to the American public. Both 2010 and 2012 will be in the bag. I don’t bang my head against the desk when I wake up and read this stuff – it brings me comfort to know that I was right all along, that leftists always have and always will make a complete and utter pigs ear of everything they do. Obama’s approval rating is sinking and has done so constantly since he was elected. We need to have members of his administration say more outrageously dumb sh*t like this, not less – and they need to keep saying it. The slow-witted half of the American public that voted for Obama need to have the truth drummed into them over time by a process of constant repetition.

Right now they’re like a bunch of teenage girls in love with an abusive boyfriend whose true nature is slowly becoming apparent to them. They’re slowly beginning to see the true nature of the Obama agenda but they don’t want to betray the feelings of love they developed for him back in the days when they really thought he was The One. They’ve invested a lot of raw emotion in their love for their Messiah and it’s not going to be easy for them to admit that they made a bad purchase. But it has to happen eventually.

Sharke on July 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Right now they’re like a bunch of teenage girls in love with an abusive boyfriend whose true nature is slowly becoming apparent to them. They’re slowly beginning to see the true nature of the Obama agenda but they don’t want to betray the feelings of love they developed for him back in the days when they really thought he was The One. They’ve invested a lot of raw emotion in their love for their Messiah and it’s not going to be easy for them to admit that they made a bad purchase. But it has to happen eventually.

Sharke on July 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Some of those girls wind up dead.

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2295884/posts

Looks like someone is at least trying to start a revolution!

silvernana on July 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I think we are all coming to the same conclusion about the Obama administration. It’s just that we are becoming increasingly wary about speaking of it openly.

I don’t consider this man an American. I truly doubt that he loves this country half as much as many of us. I think his agenda for this country is disasterous and I don’t think America can survive three and a half more years of him. I find it sad that America’s first attempt at electing a black president should be marred by a man of this caliber. The question is do we have legal means of deposing him in time?

Ernest on July 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Note that CO2 is not a pullutant, and the pollution afflicting China is not CO2. All the carbon lifeforms, the plants and animals on earth will thank you for noting that distinction.

And how exactly does paying taxes cool the earth?

Most people have already figured out is it all a hoax … But in case you can’t, you may want to try this on for size — In the case of all the GCMs about AGW, the resultant theory predicts that there should be a measurable hotspot in the upper troposphere. Observations from satellites and weather balloons have been made, and no hotspot has been found.

Yes that’s right Al Gore’s warm blanket is missing, it simple isn’t there.

In a less politicized field, that direct measurement observation, this would have been the end of it. Need new theory to hang those taxes on Bro.

Try this on on the alarmists and see what they say.

tarpon on July 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I disagree. They aren’t insisting we carry the burden. They think we’re nucking futs, but realize that all they have to do is stay out of the way and we will remove ourselves from competition. They probably spend a great deal more time worrying about how they will avoid their countries from going insane once they are #1 than they do worrying about some bizarre and flat-earth notion like global warming. climate change. weather.

The Chicoms know useful idiots when they see them!

larvcom on July 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM

This is great news. Just let them so much as propose it to the American public. Both 2010 and 2012 will be in the bag.
Sharke on July 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Barry will throw Locke under the bus quicker than you can say, “Let me be clear,….” should the need arise.

a capella on July 19, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Is this the idiot of the week, or, are there just too many to count?….

DL13 on July 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM

“useful idiots” is a complement to this befuddled, inept and confused administration.

rplat on July 19, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I’ll pay my share happily.

In brass jacketed lead.

Spiritk9 on July 19, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Interesting

The right stops this madness(higher taxes, govt. health care, and Cap and Trade and Obama is re-elected. If they do not he is not.

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Where the hell are the trolls?

What don’t we have to pay for?

We have FIT, FICA, ObamaCare, Stimulus, Bank bail outs, Cap n Trade, Global warming, roads, bridges, schools, defense, and forgeign assistance.

Last I checked there are only one hundred 1percents in one dollar. How many of those 1percents are left for us to buy food, clothing, and shelter?

Limerick on July 19, 2009 at 1:16 PM

This whole Thing,(The Obama administration), just keeps getting crazier and crazier. Oops, I forgot to include the usual suspects in Congress of both parties.

jorb on July 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM

This is a big problem with Democrats – no unified policy objectives that make sense. Will Rogers used to brag that he was a not a member of any organized political party – he was a Democrat.

Every fringe radical crackpot hare-brained excuse of a political theory shows up in the Democrat Party (I cannot explain Ron Paul as anything more than an anomaly, an aberration of conservative thought processes). They are liars with all the conviction of the political expediency that “the ends justifies the means” in politics. Most of all, they want their names on big government projects of enormous scope: Hoover had a dam project and a stock market failure (yeah, I know he was a Republican, home-schooled and a Quaker – think big projects!), FDR had his New Deal (and his world war and social security and economic shenanigans), LBJ had his Great Society and his decade-long war in SE Asia, JimmahCawtahPeenutFahmah had his gas crisis and disastrous economic price-controls policy, and Bill Clinton isn’t remembered for anything except chicken-hearted anti-terrorism policies (and sex, of course, because feelings just can’t be ignored).

Now the current “thinking” in the present administration is that somehow the American citizen can pay for everything. How? I have a feeling that Joe “stupid” (J-O-B-S: three letters, remember?) Biden will be more than willing to call people selfish for not wanting to pay excessive income taxes, for wanting to protect the legacy of their children and grandchildren, and for wanting to protect the capitalistic, entrepreneurial incentives in this economy. What a bunch of totalitarian dictators!

If I were you, I would go find a copy of the famous “Liberty or Death” speech delivered by Patrick Henry. Practice it. Say it. Repeat it. Find the freedom-loving spirit of it and claim it for your own. “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

ExpressoBold on July 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Commerce Secretary says that the American consumer is to blame for China’s energy-production emissions — and we’ll pay for that instead of the Chinese:

But of course. And while we are at it, lets pay for their military and space expenditures, North Korea and Irans nuclear efforts and Hugo’s terrorist funding.

What?? we already are?

Nevermind… :-(

conservnut on July 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM

btw, how the hell can his last name be spelled “Locke?” Just what part of Scotland is his family from?

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Considering the topic of this post, American’s paying for the Chinese, it’s not surprising that Locke is a Chinese-American.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Locke, another administration official with his head planted firmly up his liberal ass. How many Chinese are there? How many Americans are there? Do the math ya dumb ass.

GarandFan on July 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM

The insane and the blind are leading America.

JellyToast on July 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM

It is time for all these bastards in this administration to take a loyalty oath – TO AMERICA!

Sporty1946 on July 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM

“It’s important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America — and it’s our own consumption activity that’s causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that,” Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai.

This is the Commerce Secretary? Whose commerce, China’s? And does he expect or even want China and India to pay anything toward the GW hoax? They don’t give a rip about pollution period, much less greenhouse gas fairy tales.

Of course not. This has never been about the environment and all about power politics. They’re not even trying to hide it anymore.

We’re the only ones who benefit from foreign made goods? I guess this imbecile forgets that we pay for those things.

Actually, he doesn’t forget. Like the rest of the Obamunists, he thinks the world will be richer if evil America is poorer.

This administration hates this country, its people and everything it stands for. That’s why Obama Hopes to Change us into a bankrupt nation.

RadClown on July 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM

this keeps the GOP will be well positioned to regain power in a short time.

rob verdi on July 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM

It’s not often that I cheer for China, but I have been cheering for China and India about this since a bunch of lawyers on the supreme court decided that CO2 is an air pollutant, one of its more important stupid decisions of recent years. Those countrys and others refusal to be intimidated by the global no nothings will save us all.

“The US does (would) not need to pay for China’s carbon emissions, even if the “greenhouse effect” presents (presented) a danger to the planet, a theory which increasingly looks suspect.” Ed, that theory has been exceedingly questionable since before you started writing about it.

burt on July 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM

this keeps the GOP will be well positioned to regain power in a short time.

rob verdi on July 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM

And then we’ll probably learn that the GOP supports the same damn thing but at a slower rate.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Another trolless thread, unless the construct AnninCA shows up.

Obama committing 2010 suicide thread.

I’ve never broke out the popcorn so early.

Sapwolf on July 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM

How much longer will we tolerate these fools?

notagool on July 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Another trolless thread, unless the construct AnninCA shows up.

Sapwolf on July 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Maybe AP and Ed can designate a few folks as “troll stand-ins” until the real ones show up.

darwin on July 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Which is it, insanity or treason?

petefrt on July 19, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Both. I believe that at some point, allowing the insane access to the levers of power is treasonous.

Jaibones on July 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM

This tactic is just part of the obama’s tactic to keep us overloaded so we don’t have the reasources to investigate him…

Quit letting the administration dictate the converstaion.

Who is Van Jones?

Ed Graef on July 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Dear Mr. Locke,

F*** Y***, with a post-hole digger.

Strong letter to follow.

Sincerely,

Merovign on July 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Maybe AP and Ed can designate a few folks as “troll stand-ins” until the real ones show up.

darwin on July 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Could anyone fake being that stupid?

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Could anyone fake being that stupid?

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Good point … it would be hard to actually try to be stupid.

darwin on July 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Will Obamacare provide me with high-blood pressure medicine?

Every time I see or hear the words “carbon footprint” it goes up.

Dang, I just raised it again.

reaganaut on July 19, 2009 at 2:06 PM

And then we’ll probably learn that the GOP supports the same damn thing but at a slower rate.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Afraid you’re right, after seeing the vote of the ‘turncoat 8′ on the House ‘Crap-n-Tax’ legislation. Until the majority of Americans buy-in that global climate change results are not from man-made causes and more ethical scientists reveal that climate prediction models are insufficient to base social policy on, then we will continue to have politicians on both sides pander to the believers in the current madness of crowds. FWIW, could you ever imagine Judd Gregg uttering such an insane idea as paying China for the pollution it sends us???

Bob in VA on July 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I turned on the news this morning, only to see Hillary in a blue whale suit, announcing that WE are to blame, the US, and India saying, they WON’T participate in curbing emissions…..how will the obama administration F*CK the citizens of the USA next? Stay tuned.

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Well, Clinton was just on TV with the environmental minister of India. Clinton said we are historically the largest emitter of carbon so we should bear the most burden of lowering carbon emissions. Meanwhile, the Indian minister said flat out that they just cannot afford to sign up to legally binding treaties to reduce emissions. And I screamed at the TV “WE CAN’T AFFORD IT EITHER!”

Man, we are going down hard.

KickandSwimMom on July 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I think we should just not buy Chinese imports. That way, no imports, no jobs lost, no $$$$ sent to China, more $$$$ in US personal savings accounts. Think hard whether that 500″ plasma TV is really going to make your life any less miserable…

rightwink on July 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Every time I see or hear the words “carbon footprint” it goes up.

Dang, I just raised it again.

reaganaut on July 19, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Just do what I did, double your HBP meds and purchase a t-shirt that boldly says: I LOVE MY CARBON FOOTPRINT.

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Due to the clearly disastrous paths being pursused by radical America-haters, the upcoming economic collapse should be referred to as the Discretionary Depression.

Maquis on July 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I turned on the news this morning, only to see Hillary in a blue whale suit, announcing that WE are to blame, the US, and India saying, they WON’T participate in curbing emissions…..how will the obama administration F*CK the citizens of the USA next? Stay tuned.

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Pre-today, my Indian friend were laughing at the stupidity of the American policy… After today, I can’t even imagine their reaction…

Upstater85 on July 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The proper response is to kill cap and trade, and lower the corporate tax rate in the US.

Vashta.Nerada on July 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM

That isn’t going to happen. The best we can hope to do is hobble the Chinese the same way we are hobbling ourselves.

Even if the most conservative small-government Republicans take control of the government in 2012, I wouldn’t start any kind of business because you are always an election away from putting people back into power that intend to put you right back out of business.

Buddahpundit on July 19, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Why should we pay for China’s emissions? We may buy their goods, but China has made the decision to produce them and the resulting emissions. They did it because the trade-off is the growth to their economy. That is their choice, not ours.

Let them pay for their own damn emissions. They won’t because they don’t want to commit economic suicide, like us.

JohnInCA on July 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Okay. Since no one else will say it, I will. We may have to overthrow our government.

THE CHOSEN ONE on July 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM

think we need to stop it with the Tea Parties.

Its time for the Tar and Feather parties to start.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

No, no more parties of any kind.

I’ts almost getting to the point where some sort of physicallity is needed.

BallisticBob on July 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Okay. Since no one else will say it, I will. We may have to overthrow our government.

Let’s vote out most of the Dems in Congress in 2010, and watch Obama twist in the wind.

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Is Gary Locke Chinese??? Hmmmmm.

THE CHOSEN ONE on July 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Barry will throw Locke under the bus quicker than you can say, “Let me be clear,….” should the need arise.

a capella on July 19, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Ten bucks says it’ll be a “Make no mistake…”

James on July 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM

This guy is flat f’ing nuts.

n0doz on July 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Limerick on July 19, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Since you have nothing left to buy food with. When you die, that’s how he gets his savings from Health Care Reform.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Pre-today, my Indian friend were laughing at the stupidity of the American policy… After today, I can’t even imagine their reaction…

Upstater85 on July 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I am so done with this bs, but, I’m sure American Idol will be starting soon, so the American public will be distracted while the obama administration continues to destroy this fine country.

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Okay. Since no one else will say it, I will. We may have to overthrow our government.

THE CHOSEN ONE on July 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM

JaNo will be at your door very soon. I agree, our elected officials are no longer listening, it is time.

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I am so done with this bs, but, I’m sure American Idol will be starting soon, so the American public will be distracted while the obama administration continues to destroy this fine country.

HornetSting on July 19, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Sad, but probably true. I’m thinking though that when people have to start choosing between Cable and paying their taxes, they might, just might start smelling the roses…

Upstater85 on July 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Good luck with that.

BallisticBob on July 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

The sinking of the unsinkables? Titanic and hussein [boy king] obama.
Local news updates every time one of these idiots open their mouth.

try again later on July 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

burt on July 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Right of there with the “Dred-Scott”, “kelso” and “McCain-Feingold” decisions.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Gary Locke needs a strong dose of John Locke.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Gary Locke needs a strong dose of John Locke.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Gary Locke needs a strong dose of my foot up his ass.

THE CHOSEN ONE on July 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Actually, he needs a hard shot with a “Masterlock”, right upside the head.

BallisticBob on July 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Okay. Since no one else will say it, I will. We may have to overthrow our government.

Dr. Marc Faber: “There’ll be a total collapse! It will be wonderful!”

13blackcats on July 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM

BallisticBob on July 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

That’s plan A. If it doesn’t work, there’s plans B and C, etc.

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

How about we use all that money to move our manufacturing jobs back home again. If we’re gonna pay for the “carbon pollution,” we ought to at least have enough employed Americans to make it worth while.

funky chicken on July 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Dr. Marc Faber: “There’ll be a total collapse! It will be wonderful!”

13blackcats on July 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM

If there is a collapse, let’s do our best to make sure Obama and his fellow Alinskyites don’t reap the rewards they’re expecting. Let’s stick a banana in their tailpipe and make it backfire.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Okay. Since no one else will say it, I will. We may have to overthrow our government.

THE CHOSEN ONE on July 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM

I don’t think overthrowing the government will be the problem, since it appears to be bent on it’s own destruction. It’s the aftermath and rebuilding that’s going to be tricky.

DFCtomm on July 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Madame Hillary(!) was on an apology tour in India, too, blaming the US for being the biggest contributors to “climate change.”

onlineanalyst on July 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM

“pick up the tab”

What horse$hit. The only reason this ‘tab’ exists is because they’re creating it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM

@ FloatingRock on July 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM

The criminals in Washington and on Wall Street will do everything possible to delay a collapse until they are reasonably confident the resistance to all out Fascism can be contained.

Choices, choices, choices…
1. Default on the debt (invite war and possible revolution)
2. Inflate the debt/debase the $ (invite war and possible revolution)
3. Enact laws that turn Americans into slaves to work off the debt (save the oligarchy and elite)

If there’s another option the Obama gang is considering, I can’t see it.

13blackcats on July 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Gary Locke was is and always will be a moron…I have seen his career in action here in the Pacific Northwest.

JKotthoff on July 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I’ll pay my share happily.

In brass jacketed lead.

Spiritk9 on July 19, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Indeed. There are things I want to type about what people will do when the insanity continues from our hippie freakshow president, but you know, I would be stoking the flames of violence or what not.

Come to collect money from me to pay for China’s carbon and not every agent will be leaving without a stretcher. All for a fake-as-hell “problem” of climate change.

Grafted on July 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The inmates are running the asylum.

There are advantages to this. The more stupid sh*t they say the greater chance that the Senate might not pass Cap and Trade. Doubtful I know, but one has to hope.

patrick neid on July 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM

“Commerce Secretary: America needs to pay for China’s emissions”

GFY “G”. If fact, do it on PPV in a Locke Box. That ought to bring some cash in.

Teddy on July 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM

the cap-and-tax scheme that will hobble our economy

“It’s important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America — and it’s our own consumption activity that’s causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that,” Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai.

Pay with what? More money that we borrow from the Chinese? With cap-and-tax on producing products we certainly won’t be selling more goods to the Chinese.

Gary Locke needs to get a brain and a clue.

Joe Bloggs on July 19, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Coming in late on this thread …

Gary Schmuck should be fired. I guess that means he’ll get a promotion. [...]
JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Prolly the soon-2B-vacated SecState position. At which point Michelle (M not O) will need some of that dollar store duct tape.

RedBaQl8R on July 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Having lived in Washington State for 35 years and had Gary Locke as Governor here, I can tell you this is absolutely racial.

Locke has always tilted toward China and this is in keeping with his pattern of getting into office by appealing to the White Liberal center (Baby kissing and Family Photo’s are his forte!) and then taking his lead from Beijing. Expect a recommended AID package or proposed technology transfer in the multi-billions coming from his office. And Obama will oblige, because the CENSUS results depend on it.

GunRunner on July 19, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Choices, choices, choices…
1. Default on the debt (invite war and possible revolution)
2. Inflate the debt/debase the $ (invite war and possible revolution)
3. Enact laws that turn Americans into slaves to work off the debt (save the oligarchy and elite)

If there’s another option the Obama gang is considering, I can’t see it.

13blackcats on July 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Which is the one that weakens your enemy (the White American People) the most, rendering them less able to resist? That will be the choice they take.

GunRunner on July 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

great,a Chinese Mole named Gary Locke, let’s buy everybody in China lunch too. Gary what’ll ya have?

JohnBissell on July 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Man I almost called this one on a thread about the G8 crap. I said that we would end up paying the carbon emissions for both China and Indian.
How about it leftest liberals? Explain why the USA has to pay every frigging person in this world? Every single one of the countries with their wonderful long histories that you so admire has done far more raping, pillaging and out right abuse then the USA even has so why do we get the bill? Why are we the sin eaters and why are we paying the sinners?

jmarcure on July 19, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Instead of paying for China’s emmissions because we consume Chinese-made products,I think the answer is pretty easy:Don’t buy Chinese-made products.
Then again,maybe the added cost could make American-made products as affordable as imported junk,and help rebuild our economy.

DDT on July 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Since the “Greenhouse Effect” and global warming due to human activity are increasingly shown to be complete nonsense the “carbon footprint” problem can be dismissed out of hand. However, “regional” warming in the Pacific Northwest especially Alaska is quite real and directly linked to China.

But I’m sure Commerce Secretary Gary Locke knows all this. Perhaps we need a little less political science and a lot more empirical science.

Here are some more interesting items dealing with Chinese air pollution.here here here

davo on July 19, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Obama is a dreamboat.

betsyz on July 19, 2009 at 4:46 PM

He believes U.S. companies should not be disadvantaged by Chinese imports not bound by responsible policies to reduce carbon emissions.

Another statement to the affect of “where did that come from?”

ericdijon on July 19, 2009 at 4:47 PM

DDT on July 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Exercise for you in Reality:

Pick something up in your office or where you’re sitting and note whether it or its raw materials are a product of China. Continue.

ericdijon on July 19, 2009 at 4:50 PM

IDIOTS.

Johan Klaus on July 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM

You know, if everyone just stopped breathing, the problem would be solved! Wipe mankind off the face of the earth and this stupid consensus would be mother natures’ problem. How long are we going to have to put up with this crap from congress and their idiot ilk?

N4646W on July 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM

“We’ve made mistakes”, yes we have!!
Voting in Obama was the biggest one.
If every complaint was sent to the White House, which is easily contacted by email, the place would be knee deep in emails. I send one every couple of days just to let them know how much I really disapprove of them. Makes me feel good to tell Obama off in a polite way and keeps my blood pressure down. Instead of complaining here use the cleverness of your posts and send them to the White House. Please, if you do this make sure you call it Crap and Tax, they don’t like it.

elclynn on July 19, 2009 at 5:16 PM

The criminals in Washington and on Wall Street will do everything possible to delay a collapse until they are reasonably confident the resistance to all out Fascism can be contained.

13blackcats on July 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals calls for placing so many impossible demands on our system that it collapses under the weight, at which point they believe they’ll be able to convince the American people that America’s founding principles, freedom and capitalism, has failed and that Marxism by a different name is the inevitable solution.

So if they succeed in causing an outright collapse they’ll be heavily relying on their propaganda machine to shape what comes after, but if their machine were destroyed somehow, their plans would likely fail, IMO.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM

At the rate this administration is going, they’ll be trying to ram through Congress a bunch of treaties that makes the American taxpayer responsible for funding every welfare state on the planet. It’ll be another one of those “don’t read it, just vote for it and do it YESTERDAY” deals.

Aitch748 on July 19, 2009 at 5:24 PM

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