Commerce Secretary: America needs to pay for China’s emissions

posted at 12:00 pm on July 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It’s bad enough that the Obama administration wants to penalize all Americans for their energy use through the cap-and-tax scheme that will hobble our economy and hike electricity and gas costs, but until now they only proposed to penalize us for our own energy use.  With China refusing to join the West in economic suicide, who will pay for their emissions?  Commerce Secretary says that the American consumer is to blame for China’s energy-production emissions — and we’ll pay for that instead of the Chinese:

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said something amazing—U.S. consumers should pay for part of Chinese greenhouse-gas emissions. From Reuters:

“It’s important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America — and it’s our own consumption activity that’s causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that,” Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai.

The idea that rich-country consumers should pick up the tab for some of China’s industrial emissions has been gaining currency lately—but not from within the Obama administration. The argument is that many of China’s factories churn out cheap stuff for the West, not for domestic consumption, so those consumers are actually responsible for the emissions. China, of course, loves the idea.

Commerce sent this non-responsive statement to the Wall Street Journal when they reported this late Friday night:

“Secretary Locke has been very clear on emphasizing the importance of fair trade as a part of the United States’ relationship with China. He believes U.S. companies should not be disadvantaged by Chinese imports not bound by responsible policies to reduce carbon emissions. China and the US must work together to ensure a level playing field and reduce our carbon footprints. The Secretary’s trip to China demonstrated his commitment to fair trade and his belief that both the United States and China can benefit from shared investments and cooperation in clean energy that will lead to commercial and environmental benefits for both countries.”

This could happen in one of two ways.  The Obama administration could make cap-and-tax more expensive in order to make up for the emissions from China, which would absolutely delight Beijing.  In fact, that would allow them an easily-adjustable pressure point on the American economy by simply increasing their emissions.  If the US increased the penalties for domestic emissions in order to compensate, the Chinese could sell their good much more cheaply in the US than domestic producers.

The other option would be energy-production tariffs on imported goods, which would touch off a trade war with China.  That would make goods more expensive in the US at the same time energy bills begin to skyrocket, launching an inflationary spiral and begging China for retaliation.  Since China holds a large amount of US debt, that retaliation could get extremely expensive for both countries.

The US does not need to pay for China’s carbon emissions, even if the “greenhouse effect” presents a danger to the planet, a theory which increasingly looks suspect.  This is yet another version of the blame-America impulse in the Obama administration, one that will hit us all in the wallet — and in our outlets and furnaces.

Update: My friend Derek Brigham of Freedom Dogs has a great new graphic for the Obama administration’s Blame America Tour 2009.  Be sure to use it — and to link back to Derek when you do:


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These people are absolutely insane. 2010 can not come fast enough for me!!!

Tasha on July 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Ok give me some of that dollar store duct tape I need to wrap my head before it explodes.

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Meanwhile Hillary is in India today asking them to pick up the pace on climate change.

Word is its a stalemate there. India is pushing like China that they need a break from having to pay for it.

BTW when is the US going to sign Kyoto ? That is the next big thing.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

when will obama top the fbi’s most wanted list?

weewilly on July 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

So, we lose domestic jobs by outsourcing to China, where governmental penalties for doing business are lower, we get lower quality and/or adulterated products shipped back, pushing decent quality products out of the market, and we can also pay for China’s emissions. Sounds like a trifecta to me.

Vashta.Nerada on July 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Also why not we can save the Chinese millions that they can then turn around and spend on their military and police to crack down.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

This administration has seriously gone ’round the bend on this trial balloon.

myrenovations on July 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Gary Schmuck should be fired. I guess that means he’ll get a promotion. But in any event, his name is added to the list.

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 12:08 PM

D.C. 12 September. Be there.

Fletch54 on July 19, 2009 at 12:08 PM

James Webb. America is an asian nation ?

I am glad ONE democrat is worried about china but we are a Pacific Nation not an Asian one.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM

D.C. 12 September. Be there.

I think we need to stop it with the Tea Parties.

Its time for the Tar and Feather parties to start.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Every day is the same – get up and see what insane propositions this administration throws out that make you want to bang your head against a brick wall. It is just mind-numbing.

silvernana on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I am going to have a goose egg from banging my head on the desk. This administration is criminally insane.

Key West Reader on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

All part of the plan to destroy America.

It’s downright obvious now. These people aren’t morons, they’re traitors.

fogw on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

btw, how the hell can his last name be spelled “Locke?” Just what part of Scotland is his family from?

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Tar and feathers are too good for these lunatics.

AZCoyote on July 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Mr. Locke: Fuk You.

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM

btw, how the hell can his last name be spelled “Locke?”

That is his CODE name. The Obama Administration wanted to send 3 wise men to China to make deals for the US.

So he renamed his team “Locke, Stocke, and Barrel” to make it easier for the Chinese to know what Obama’s plans on caving in to them.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM

The US does not need to pay for China’s carbon emissions, even if the “greenhouse effect” presents a danger to the planet, a theory which increasingly looks suspect.
posted at 12:00 pm on July 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Nothing suspect about it. The science overwhelmingly favors natural causes for the changes observed throughout geological history.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

China has over a billion people, and more and more of them are buying cars. Cars that don’t meet North American emission standards, by the way. The US could roll over dead and it wouldn’t reduce carbon emissions on a global scale. This is absolutely nuts.

ProfessorMiao on July 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

These amateurs are no longer just funny, they are increasingly dangerous. Who is this idiot and how did he get into such an important position?

What the hell is going on in my Country?

FireBlogger on July 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

The other option would be energy-production tariffs on imported goods, which would touch off a trade war with China. That would make goods more expensive in the US at the same time energy bills begin to skyrocket, launching an inflationary spiral and begging China for retaliation.

This is the plan, Ed. A carbon tariff.

Krugman’s been posting at his personal blog on the necessity of this. “Border adjustments”, he calls it:

If you only impose restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions from domestic sources [i.e., the US], you give consumers no incentive to avoid purchasing products that cause emissions in other countries [i.e., China]; as a result, you have an inefficient outcome even from a world point of view. So border adjustments here are entirely legitimate in terms of basic economics.

SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM

This is absolutely nuts.

ProfessorMiao on July 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

exactly

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

This administration is like having the bizarro administration.

Lonetown on July 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Sounds like a trifecta trif*cta to me.

Vashta.Nerada on July 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Fixed it for you.

ProfessorMiao on July 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

This is an utterly idiotic idea…just like most coming from the nuts that are in charge right now.

d1carter on July 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

So we get to buy the rope that the administration will use to execute us. SWELL

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

D.C. 12 September. Be there.
Fletch54 on July 19, 2009 at 12:08 PM

I’m fcking there

I’ve had it with these nutjobs

HAD IT

send this pile of SH*T back to the chef!!!!!

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I second the motion.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Whisky Tango Foxtrot!

are you freakin kidding me? did we enter some bizzaro parallel universe?

exceller on July 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Locke used to be governor here in Washington state – he’s a numbskull of galactic proportions.

Wyatt Wingfoot on July 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Seems only fair. I denounce myself for my carbon crimes.

Mr. Joe on July 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Fine by me.

Fletch54 on July 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

China told Obama, “this is how you will pay back your debt”.

I’m pretty sure this was worked out at the summit a few weeks ago.

katy on July 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

I know people don’t like Michael savage here

but he was right

liberalism truly is a mental disorder

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

I want Obama to be grilled on this nonsense now and say Gary Locke is doing just what he wants.

Mr. Joe on July 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

So, we lose domestic jobs by outsourcing to China, where governmental penalties for doing business are lower, we get lower quality and/or adulterated products shipped back, pushing decent quality products out of the market, and we can also pay for China’s emissions. Sounds like a trifecta to me.

Vashta.Nerada on July 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Pretty much sums it up.

anniekc on July 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

AZCoyote on July 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Would concrete overshoes be satisfactory?

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Why do they hate my country so much?

ctmom on July 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Holy crap. Now it is our fault that the govt ran out American enterprise years ago with taxes and regulations to other countries to the point that we are responsible for their polution? How long before the add India to the list? Those jobs have been “out sourced” as well and they have just as much if not more polution than China.
BOHICA!!!!!!!!!!!!

milwife88 on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

You see this is what happens when you allow a bunch of intellectual ideologues with no real world experience set national policies.

As Reagan said “Its not that Liberals are ignorant its just that they know so much that isn’t so”.

Dreadnought223 on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

This has got to STOP!!!

Seven Percent Solution on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Actually, this makes sense if you’re committed to the goal – indeed the necessity – of reducing carbon emissions. They have to do this.

It doesn’t do much good to reduce carbon emissions through a tax in the US but increase carbon emissions from other countries that don’t have the tax.

I think it’s mostly hooey but it is logical it you embrace the overall goal of reducing carbon emissions.

SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Scary thing is …he has the media behind him. I sure hope America wakes up

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I didn’t catch any of the Sunday shows today; Did this come up at all?

anniekc on July 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Locke used to be governor here in Washington state – he’s a numbskull of galactic proportions.

Wyatt Wingfoot on July 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM

That explains why he was needed in DC.

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Why do they hate my country so much?
ctmom on July 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM

They are truly sick individuals. They are power hungry. Wolves in sheeps clothing.

Bunch of empty suits and I’m sick of the spokesmouths from the obarfing
badministration!

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM

When you appoint members of the radical left, like Gary Locke, Carol Browner as energy Czar and Energy Secretary Steven Chu, you will get luney sounding comments like this. Normally, I would expect congress to protect the people from this sort of self-flagelation but with a radical left Speaker like Nancy Pelosi, I do not feel much comfort in that idea.

KW64 on July 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM

exceller on July 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM

If you find the wormhole back to our universe let us know before you return.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Why not pay we already pay for everything else that goes wrong in the world.After all we are most evil country the world has ever know just ask the Libs, Al Gore and all of the state run media. (God help and save us from this sickness and evil that now controls our country).

thmcbb on July 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM

This is absolutely insane! WTF If you have not been to China let me tell you what it is like. China is the most polluted place on earth. Everyone out side of Shanghai and Beijing cook and heats with coal. The coal mines are place where thousands, let me say again, THOUSANDS, die each year from collapse and fires. The smoke is so bad I awoke one night in panic because I thought the 5 star hotel I was staying was burning down, until I realized it was the pollution coming in from outside.
Democrats are off the wall with this Cap and Trade. Destroy the economy on science that has not been proven. Humans may cause some global warming, but nature has an over riding effect which makes human contribution insignificant. In any case we should invest in science to lower pollution, not make wall street brokers rich on trading carbon credits, that we pay for and dose nothing to improve environment. The atmosphere models have a long way to be improved before we make any judgments on cause of weather effects and emissions. Science is conflicting on many issues. For us to start destroying economy on tentative science is lunacy. Other win win methods are available such bio-char.

Ed Laskie on July 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You know, if I could be guaranteed that any money I donate would go to a TV commercial exposing this, I might crack my wallet.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I think it’s mostly hooey but it is logical it you embrace the overall goal of reducing carbon emissions.

SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Machiavelli would be proud.

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It is obvious that Obama has set up the most incompetent administration in our history. We don’t have to question their intentions, we have to question their sanity.

volsense on July 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

AND exactly where does this screwball think he’s going to get the money? Oh yeah, taxes.
The Libs better wake up….they thought it was bad when President Bush was in office. He was tame compared to the “ONE” running the country now!!!
We’ve got crrrraaaazzzzy people running the country and they have to get everything finalized before the 2010 elections.

yoda on July 19, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Dear, God. The entire political world is filled with idiots and the mis-informed. 9-12 is coming up and I guess it is time to commit to that project. I hate going into DC, but I might have to make an exception this year.

BetseyRoss on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Obama has finally gone “full retard”.

guido911 on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

To be honest Obama is the Green party President. Even the economic stimulus is being wrapped around enviromentaln issues like weatherization and Enviro friendly buses.

What Obama didnt say was they huge price tag for all of this. That is the other green part he neglected to mention.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

The way to force cap and trade on the Chinese is by making their products more expensive with tariffs. The Chinese won’t sell as much so they won’t make as much. This would also make American products more competitive and save American jobs.

Republicans should introduce this bill and make the Democrats vote for more global greenhouse gas output and less American jobs at the same time. Let the Democrats explain their vote to the American people.

You don’t even have to like the idea of tariffs or CO2 reductions to understand why this bill is needed.

Buddahpundit on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

We don’t have to question their intentions, we have to question their sanity.

volsense on July 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

We know their intentions and we also know that they are nucking futs.

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Machiavelli would be proud.

Again, I’m not endorsing it. I’m just explaining, as I see it, what the rationale is behind the idea.

I’m giving a description not a prescription.

SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I think it’s mostly hooey but it is logical it you embrace the overall goal of reducing carbon emissions.

SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Does firing a bullet from a gun (rifle, AR-15, whatever) emit carbon?

What if a lot of people started firing weapons in a coordinated and organized fashion? What’s the environmental impact of that?

Just brainstorming here, folks.

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The other option would be energy-production tariffs on imported goods, which would touch off a trade war with China. That would make goods more expensive in the US at the same time energy bills begin to skyrocket, launching an inflationary spiral and begging China for retaliation.
This is the plan, Ed. A carbon tariff.

Krugman’s been posting at his personal blog on the necessity of this. “Border adjustments”, he calls it:

If you only impose restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions from domestic sources [i.e., the US], you give consumers no incentive to avoid purchasing products that cause emissions in other countries [i.e., China]; as a result, you have an inefficient outcome even from a world point of view. So border adjustments here are entirely legitimate in terms of basic economics.
SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM

It’s the 21st century version of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff. Just what we need to drag us into a decade-long depression.

Or is it the next step in the Cloward-Piven Strategy?

iurockhead on July 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Would only be spent on supporting more DICC’s (pronounced Dick’s); Democrats In Conservative Clothing. My new term for RINO’s.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I have a few “Footprints” Id like to place on the Obama admin’s backsides.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

If everyone held their breath for a total of ten minutes during their day everyday

we could heal the ocean

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Rope
Noose
Short Tree

Problem solved

exsanguine on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

So…

If we are paying for their pollution?

Is this a way we are paying off our debt?

upinak on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I cease to be amazed any longer.

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

WTF? When does the self-flagellation end?

BuckeyeSam on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

These people are not nuts. They know exactly what they’re doing.

darwin on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

If everyone held their breath for a total of ten minutes during their day everyday

we could heal the ocean

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Would explain why Joe Biden has earplugs to prevent the sound from getting to his brain.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Wouldn’t it just be easier if we (Americans) all just committed suicide because of our guilt from being the root of all evil?

I’m thinking yes.

Geministorm on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

What a deal!

—for the Chicomms

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I like it!

A few months ago the lefties had their hour of darkness when they turned off the lights.
How about if we have an hour of firepower from coast to coast!
We’ll call it the “shot heard round the country”.

It’s a warning shot our dear leaders…

katy on July 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Rope
Noose
Short Tree

Problem solved

exsanguine on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

RAAAAAAAACIST

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Rope
Noose
Short Tree

Problem solved

exsanguine on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

That depends on which end of the rope you’re on.

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I’m giving a description not a prescription.

SteveMG on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I caught that

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The Chinese and Indians have no desire to do any climate change. Both are insisting that america and Europe carry the burden.

Kyoto was a hoax from the start.

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Would only be spent on supporting more DICC’s (pronounced Dick’s); Democrats In Conservative Clothing. My new term for RINO’s.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

As Ed McMahon used to say to Johnny Carson: “You are correct, sir.” My money is better spent joining Limbaugh’s website or buying Mark Levin’s book. At least they aren’t silent.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

If you were writing a novel, you couldn’t make all this stuff up. I’m not surprised they’re doing it, but I just thought it would kind of like be spread out a little more over a four year period. The speed of it all is unbelievable. The only thing that has surprised me is that Ayers isn’t in a cabinet post. He’s not a czar somewhere, is he?

silvernana on July 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

If everyone held their breath for a total of ten minutes during their day everyday

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

This most definitly calls for a Breathing Czar. But before we go that far, do we have a Mental Health of the Administration Czar yet? Insanity Czar?

Knucklehead on July 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

The way to force cap and trade on the Chinese is by making their products more expensive with tariffs. The Chinese won’t sell as much so they won’t make as much. This would also make American products more competitive and save American jobs.

Republicans should introduce this bill and make the Democrats vote for more global greenhouse gas output and less American jobs at the same time. Let the Democrats explain their vote to the American people.

You don’t even have to like the idea of tariffs or CO2 reductions to understand why this bill is needed.

Buddahpundit on July 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

A tariff on Chinese goods would not help during the current economic turmoil – remember Smoot-Hawley? Besides, if paying for Chinese emissions is included in the cap and trade bill, the dems will already be voting for more greenhouse gases and less American jobs. As long as we are paying for their emissions, what do the Chinese care what level they are?

The proper response is to kill cap and trade, and lower the corporate tax rate in the US.

Vashta.Nerada on July 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Silver lining: The Revolution will come before I am too old to fight in it.

Don’t Tread On Me.

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM

DICC’s (pronounced Dick’s); Democrats In Conservative Clothing. My new term for RINO’s.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I like it. (8-)

thomasaur on July 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I thought the unicorns were supposed to eat all the carbon and fart solar energy. What went wrong?

trubble on July 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Does firing a bullet from a gun (rifle, AR-15, whatever) emit carbon?

What if a lot of people started firing weapons in a coordinated and organized fashion? What’s the environmental impact of that?

Just brainstorming here, folks.

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Sure does. Gunpowder contains carbon. The combustion reaction produces CO2.

The environmental impact is more CO2 for photosynthetic organisms to scarf up on. :)

So some coordinated target practice would be a win-win for all of us.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM

The Chinese and Indians have no desire to do any climate change. Both are insisting that america and Europe carry the burden.

As well we should. If we’re stupid enough to fall for the climate change hoax, we should pay the price. China and India and anyone else for that matter has every right, and is right, in telling us and the euroas*holes to sod off. China has much to account for, but electing Obama isn’t one of them (I think).

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Sure does. Gunpowder contains carbon. The combustion reaction produces CO2.

The environmental impact is more CO2 for photosynthetic organisms to scarf up on. :)

So some coordinated target practice would be a win-win for all of us.

chemman on July 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Good. Now.. would the impact on the environment be greater or smaller if everyone concentrated their carbon-releasing target practice in the same geographic location… for example, Washington D.C.?

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:39 PM

For heavens sake, America’s knees are allready buckling under the weight of the Obama administration. Why don’t he do us all a favor and get the heck off our backs.

fourdeucer on July 19, 2009 at 12:39 PM

How long before the add India to the list? Those jobs have been “out sourced” as well and they have just as much if not more polution than China.
BOHICA!!!!!!!!!!!!

milwife88 on July 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Hillary did that yesterday.

journeyintothewhirlwind on July 19, 2009 at 12:39 PM

As well we should. If we’re stupid enough to fall for the climate change hoax, we should pay the price. China and India and anyone else for that matter has every right, and is right, in telling us and the euroas*holes to sod off. China has much to account for, but electing Obama isn’t one of them (I think).

JiangxiDad on July 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Yes. I am beginning to understand why the majority of the world was actively cheering on Obama in 2008.

It’s not because they genuinely like the guy.

BPD on July 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Knucklehead on July 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Definitely
a breathing tsar
a condom distribution tsar
Abortion tsar
media tsar
toilet paper tsar
whhite house diswashing tsar

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I emit Greenhouse gas every time I poof. Deal with it.

tx2654 on July 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Hell
how about a blog tsar

shoe tying competition tsar

dog grooming tsar

hey maybe a Michael Jackson royalty tsar

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Bernie Madoff is shocked hy this chutzpah. He’s thinking, maybe I’ll get a parole…these guys are much worse them me.

RobCon on July 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM

If everyone held their breath for a total of ten minutes during their day everyday

we could heal the ocean

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

One day sooner that we think, lots of people will be holding their breath permanently in the name of carbon dioxide emission control. Sound extreme? Yeah okay.

baldilocks on July 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM

blatantblue on July 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Obama needs a Lie Tsar to keep track of his “Promises”

William Amos on July 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Andrew Sullivan’s guest poster at the Daily Dish today gave this very revealing quote: Claymation and violence go together like Palin and the Dish (and don’t miss the man-eating piano at the end):

And this link was at the Belmont Club.

Okay. Let’s get it on.

Mr. Joe on July 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Which is it, insanity or treason?

petefrt on July 19, 2009 at 12:43 PM

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