Obama promises: I won’t sign any health-care bill that adds to the deficit
posted at 12:55 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
That’s how the Times is spinning it, but read the fine print. What he actually says is he won’t sign any bill that adds to our deficits over the next decade. The One knows this is a sinkhole in the long run even if it isn’t in the short run — which, per the CBO, it almost certainly is. No worries, though: “I don’t believe that government can or should run health care,” he assures us, ignoring the fact that he once famously said he doesn’t want to run the auto companies … a month after he forced the chairman of GM into early retirement. No wonder some prominent Democrats now want to, um, run the auto companies.
Oh, and he’s still lying about letting you keep your current insurance if you like it, oblivious to the reality of what’ll happen to private insurers forced to compete with a program backed by the Treasury Department’s printing presses. But then, as he candidly says here, “I … don’t think insurance companies should have free reign to do as they please.” That’s Obamanomics in a nutshell. Make sure to read Betsy McCaughey’s rejoinder in today’s New York Post about the difference between your current health plan, the “qualified plan” you’ll be forced to choose under ObamaCare, and the penalties you’ll pay if you prefer not to “qualify.” Should be a fun presser on Wednesday night.
Update: Looking on the bright side, at least we know now what his next bald-faced revisionist lie about his record will be. How many months or years before he treats us to this: “But let me be clear. We have never denied that health-care reform might temporarily add to our deficits.”
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LIVING WELL IS THE BEST REVENGE
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 4:34 PM
I have a feevah and feel a song coming on… maybe Pink Floyd Uncomfortably Numb….
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Is guntotinglibertarian your rap name? do you tour?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:34 PM
you may not rhyme; but can you speak jive?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Agreed. They know they have a ready supply of new seniors growing every year, so they are interested in the profits they can make from this.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Challenge to AnninCA:
go an entire healthcare thread without plagiarizing lines or example situations from “Sicko”
can you do it????????????????
battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 4:35 PM
But, but…he went to Harvard! He was editor of the Law Review!
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Color me unimpressed.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM
This reminds of a certain point of fact. What exactly did he do while in said position? Not one article published, no notes, no record of accomplishment what so ever. Yes, just like most of his ostensibly storied career, zip, zil, nada!
After letting Pelosi & Co. write the stimulus, and now the same with healthcare and Cap&tax the same. No fingerprints on anything what the hell does this guy actually DO!
Could anything come closer to the definition of a figurehead.
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I used to, but I had to sell my bling, my Escalade and my extra set of 22-inch spinners to pay my taxes.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
it’s obvious you’re not genuine—cuz everyone knows that all good rappers would never call their 22′s spinners–
they be SPINNAAzzzz.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Problem is both Peter and Paul have already been robbed. They’re jacking Nathaniel and Thomas now.
jimmy2shoes on July 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
As others said there is a lot to be done in stopping this bill. Here is my thinking though even if worse case scenario this passes. This will take a long time to take effect. If it did pass, I think the outrage would render Obama completely lame for the rest of his term and this Congress would pay a massive price.
As uneducated as voters were in this last election, they also needed to learn the hard way what can happen when they vote on whim. I personally think the outrage over writing this garbage and bringing it to a vote is going to kill the Dems for a while. I seriously think this is their undoing.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
They did. George W. has an undergraduate (bachelor’s) degree from Yale. He also has an MBA (Master of Business Administration) from Harvard.
AZCoyote on July 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
AARP is only backing the bill because they stand to make money from it. They’ve sold out the very people they’re supposed to be looking out for: the elderly.
AZCoyote on July 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I think its safe to assume that we can add the overwhelming bulk of our elected officials in this group as well.
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
and hence, your name—-truth…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I should add, I think the outrage if it were to pass would lead to this being repealed. I think the moderate dems got blasted from cap and trade they’re not going to vote for this unless they get a sense people support it. If we do anything right, we need to let everyone know what is in this.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM
it’s obvious you’re not genuine—cuz everyone knows that all good rappers would never call their 22’s spinners–
they be SPINNAAzzzz.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:37
Do you mean Ginuwine, playa?
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
but what are you going to sell for your Obamacare…?
—take it to a streetcorner…/?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I think its safe to assume that we can add the overwhelming bulk of our elected officials in this group as well.
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
dude—you’re baaaad! ROFL
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
FIFY.
Sorry, everyone. I can’t stand her. And I find her conduct in taking a $200K pay raise at the same time that the O earmarked $1M to her hospital-employer to be profoundly unethical as a lawyer.
BuckeyeSam on July 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
He can vote present.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
dude—you’re baaaad! ROFL
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
LOL!
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
ain’t what you know, it’s who you know.
see, capitalism only works for them, not for the rest of us. Now, back in the kitchen and whip us up some cake.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
The CIA is cooking up a really phat new batch of crack. Me and my ACORN posse have franchise.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
im still coming to tx, to a drop zone near you….
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Actually, Obama set the precedent for the “no fingerprints on anything” game plan way back when he was in the Illinois Senate, and predominantly voted ‘present’ on the majority of legislation passing through during his tenure.
KendraWilder on July 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Didn’t “fiscal con” GW Bush sign a health care bill that added to the deficit?
The Dean on July 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Ohhh dude you’re worse!
are you down with the NBPP also for when a few heads need crackin?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Thanks Ted! I believe it in my gut, like I knew the sleeping masses were going to vote this Bozo in. This is going to go over worse than Hillary Care, way worse.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
He was a fiscal con? Really?
Gee, I’m pretty sure he was a Compassion Con.
You know what’s so great about Compassion? You get to use other people’s money.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM
I can’t wait to see the front page of the Washtimes when this thing gets thrown in the can.
It’ll read “0 for 2″
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Zelaya thugs headed for what may be a big confrontation at the Tegucigalpa airport (again) for tmmw.
Check out the Honduras thread.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/18/zelayas-ultimatum/#comment-2444102
elduende on July 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Can anyone tell me what this means?
Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Naw, they be sissy boyz wid der nighstick. I be packin’ fo real.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
why yes, you’re fluent in jive…
strait up fo’ sho’
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Unfortunately, you’re mis-quoting. Starship Troopers (one of the top three books ever written, IMHO) did not say military veterans (or those in the military) were the only ones who could vote (actually, Heinlein called it ‘the right of franchise’). If you’ve actually read the book, active duty military did not have the right to vote. And it was not just military service, but any federation service, based on your qualifications. But the individual did not have the final say in what service they were in; that was based on federation needs and on the individual’s capabilities (this is a gross simplification — If you haven’t read the book, you don’t know what you’re missing!). Everyone had the right to earn the franchise, but you did have to earn it. TANSTAAFL (another great Heinlein phrase that I firmly believe in — and 53% of the American population does not).
rmgraha on July 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I think that will be true IF they make it to the August recess without passing a bill, but it they get it rammed through before then, not so sure. That’s why the note of panic in the One’s voice at yesterday’s presser.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae: Truth in Christ and the Church. Original motto of Harvard University.
Needless to say, somewhere in the last three centuries Harvard lost touch with its primary purpose, though the student body continues to include a healthy number of faithful Christians. The predominant view among most Harvardians these days, however, would be that truth is relative, and that there is no certain truth upon which to base one’s life. The idea that the pursuit of truth is for the sake of Christ and the church would considered an curious antique of a premodern (or pre-postmodern) age.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
piece of history for you. Harvard revisionist history–removing Christ and the Church from everything leaves them only with VE-RI-TAS.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM
How so? I see public outrage either way
battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 4:54 PM
…and this is one Thomas that is none too pleased.
thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM
im still coming to tx, to a drop zone near you….
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Just as long as you don’t drop a load.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:56 PM
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Do I smell a Harvard grad on HA?
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM
My step mother is literally terrified of this Marxist alimentary canal exit and his “health plan”.
darwin on July 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:56 PM
It’s going to be a load of hope and change. I’ll be riding in on a rainbow…. watch for the multicolor unicorn, that’ll be me…. I hear they run off “green energy”
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM
If they get it passed in House and Senate before August, Obama can use entire month selling it to the public. If not he is still trying to twist arms from a distance while Congress members are closer physically to their constituents and less subject to his persuasion.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Do I smell a Harvard grad on HA?
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM
ME—ME a harvard edumucation. Hell nawww. them’s fighting words…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM
He is really putting the pressure on and you’re right there was panic in his voice yesterday. I think they’re dragging their feet though because they know how this is going to go over. He can’t even make a credible case to the people why it has to be now. He’ll try but there is no logical argument only a political one serving him.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I’ll outmarch you and your corps of cadets aggie!
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I don’t have to get my truth from Harvard.
I prefer Proverbs 23:23
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I’ll outmarch you and your corps of cadets aggie!
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Oh no you didn’t.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM
It’s not possible to sell it to the public. Parts of it have leaked out and by August the entire monstrosity will have been reviewed and exposed for what it is.
The only way to pass it is to accept crushing defeat in 2010.
darwin on July 18, 2009 at 5:01 PM
and you can polish my boots afterwards too…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:01 PM
I prefer Proverbs 23:23
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I get mine from AP (trying to make tier 1 commentor).
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Get ready for a Michelle townhall with a podium packed full of “uninsured children” – a gorgeous mozaic of little black, brown, yellow and insufferably cute white munchkins. Some with crutches, others in wheel chairs.
No Downs kids though, because…well, you know.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
and you can polish my boots afterwards too…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:01 PM
That would be a spit shine.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
I already beat you–I’m tier 1+
AP emailed me.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
I already beat you–I’m tier 1+
AP emailed me.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Proof please. :)
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Obamacare Hospital== Hotel California
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Hint: make every other post a reference to how much smarter atheists are than the rest of us.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Don’t “uninsured children” have S-Chip? Don’t people under the poverty line have MediAid? Don’t seniors have MediCare?
Exactly who is Obama trying to cover with this?
Milions, upon millions of illegals … that’s who.
darwin on July 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Dear Ted:
Congratulations– you surely be a lyrical gangsta. You move and groove wid da best of dem. Me and Ed over heah wants to let you know that you be a tier 1+ commentator–dis is da only way we can truly commend you for such righteous spinnage on HotAir. Even da big boss woman puts in her fiddy cents and says, “Proppa, dat boy can groove”
and we’ll be sending you a new set o’ spinnaz like GTLs.
signed
AP
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM
so txag, as the song goes–”whoomp, there it is.”
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I guess I’ll be the same tier as anninca if that’s the case.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM
But if they do pass it by August, Obama will sign it and he won’t be swayed by crushing defeat of congress in 2010. It has to be stopped before August recess.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM
now you’re talking
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Obama is going to ride Congress for all its worth. Those sycophants over there wrongly think he’s going to ride to their rescue and spend lots of dough in their weenie districts and help get them reelected.
Heck no. He’d sacrifice 100+ democratic congressmen and women just to get what he wants. He’s already shown that to be true. What matters is his agenda, first and foremost. If those fools don’t get reelected, who cares according to him–He Won! and he says as much.
Obama is the political equivalent of a frontal assault during the civil war. Get on line, advance and if you get mowed down, too bad, he’s still up there on his horse throwing those boys into the gap. Dems or Repubs, he could care less. He couldn’t give a gnats ass on whether those fools get reelected, because he’s President and he’ll be there for 4 years.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:11 PM
The sooner that those fools in Congress wise up to this little bit of truth the sooner we could get back to common sense in this country.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM
As much as Obama thinks he’s a divine being that rules the world, there’s other people that are more concerned with their political careers than they are with his visions of glory. I’m leaning towards optimism, only ever so slightly though.
darwin on July 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM
More like:
Dear Ted:
Ah, hellz naw playa. U dissin txag92. Get steppin 2 teh back of da bus.
Hollah!
AP
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM
*shamed*
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM
How so? Seriously I can’t imagine he would sacrifice the biggest Dem control in DC since 1974? for a single bill
I’m not following here. August or not, it screws Blue Dogs either way
And August or not, Pelosi dems still want it
battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 5:15 PM
But dude–rightfully so, I came up with at least 1-2 coherent, on-topic and well-put arguments in the time it took you to peck out your little jive ditty with your fat little cookie grabbers there at the end of your arms.
booya
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:15 PM
But dude–rightfully so, I came up with at least 1-2 coherent, on-topic and well-put arguments in the time it took you to peck out your little jive ditty with your fat little cookie grabbers there at the end of your arms.
booya
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I’m assuming that’s for me. Going forward, please address me as dudette. :)
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:17 PM
battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 5:15 PM
It is wrong to assume that Obama could give a rip about any congressman or their chances for reelection.
There’s a term for a Democratic Congressman: it’s called “cannon fodder”
–look it up
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM
The ship is sinking and this fool assures you that a full refund on your ticket is guaranteed. Yeah, so is a dirt nap.
I’ve never understood people who think that credibility is optional. In six months this man will be openly called a liar, even by the cowardly press.
EMD on July 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM
I bet Snowe, Collins and Specter think they’re going to be invited to all the big parties and get help in their states when election time rolls around.
Heck naw! but thanks for the vote anyway sucka
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Speaking of the Civil War, I hate to say we need another hero from Maine, like Joshua Chamberlain at the battle of Little Round Top, but maybe we do. Someone tell that to Sen. Snowe.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Did they have another open registration I missed?!?!?!
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM
http://www.rollcall.com/news/36830-1.html?ET=rollcall:e5085:80071205a:&st=email
Tazz 55 on July 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:17 PM
wups–sorry, dudette, er SENATOR….
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM
President Barack Obama is targeting Senators in his own political party with television ads, urging these skeptical Democrats to embrace health care reform legislation that could put them in a political bind at home
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I respectfully back away from my previously disrespectful statements…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Did they have another open registration I missed?!?!?!
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM
No, why?
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Just don’t call me ma’am.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM
You know how they “think” for lack of a better term.
I think passing this by August is such a long shot. There is no deal yet with Baucus and Senate Finance which is really the key. After that they start mark up which ought to be priceless considering all the factions even in the Democratic party.
Still we can all do our part to make it harder, spread the word about this garbage and get people motivated to call their reps and Senators. They’re scared already, we can shake them up even more.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM
*salute*
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Still we can all do our part to make it harder, spread the word about this garbage and get people motivated to call their reps and Senators. They’re scared already, we can shake them up even more.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Chuck Grassley is the key
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I respectfully back away from my previously disrespectful statements…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM
No worries. I’ve been LMAO!
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM
we’ve gotta self-inflict some funny don’t we..!?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:26 PM
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM
To me, our “reps” obviously don’t care what we think. That’s the scariest part of it all.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM
The centers of gravity on this one are the moderate Dems and the Senate Finance Committee, I think.
Targeting those folks is key. Am I wrong?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM
ted c is, uh, prolific. Thought he might be making up for lost time….and he’s messing with a Texan. Bad move. :)
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM
we’ve gotta self-inflict some funny don’t we..!?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:26 PM
If I didn’t laugh about what Obozo is doing, I’d be crying.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I was wondering the same thing.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:28 PM
It is not just a single bill to him. It is the epitome of what leftists have been striving for more than 40 years. Not to mention he wants to say to Hillary, I did what you couldn’t do. He campaigned on it before the economy melted down and is pushing it despite the meltdown. If he were reasonable, he would focus on the number one problem for Americans, the economy. Instead he twists the fear Americans have about the economy into an argument for something he wanted all along. Universal healthcare. You are assuming he is reasonable and not an idealogue.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 5:28 PM
ted c is, uh, prolific. Thought he might be making up for lost time….and he’s messing with a Texan. Bad move. :)
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Ted c is a nut (no offense to nuts) but at least he’s not anninca.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Where are we?
DarkCurrent on July 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM
To me, our “reps” obviously don’t care what we think. That’s the scariest part of it all.
txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I agree–Congressional MISrepresentation….
tell them Obama’s going to throw them under the bus. Who does he ever stand up for? Not his grandmother, not his pastor, not guys from his neighborhood, not Iranians in defense of freedom and liberty, he stands for BArack Throckmorton Obama and that’s the facts jack. Those congressmen had better learn to stand for themselves and their constituencies or their going to get crushed. Once they get voted out of office, it ain’t going to be Obama coming to visit them in the Little Home for Former Congressmen
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 5:30 PM
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