Obama promises: I won’t sign any health-care bill that adds to the deficit
posted at 12:55 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
That’s how the Times is spinning it, but read the fine print. What he actually says is he won’t sign any bill that adds to our deficits over the next decade. The One knows this is a sinkhole in the long run even if it isn’t in the short run — which, per the CBO, it almost certainly is. No worries, though: “I don’t believe that government can or should run health care,” he assures us, ignoring the fact that he once famously said he doesn’t want to run the auto companies … a month after he forced the chairman of GM into early retirement. No wonder some prominent Democrats now want to, um, run the auto companies.
Oh, and he’s still lying about letting you keep your current insurance if you like it, oblivious to the reality of what’ll happen to private insurers forced to compete with a program backed by the Treasury Department’s printing presses. But then, as he candidly says here, “I … don’t think insurance companies should have free reign to do as they please.” That’s Obamanomics in a nutshell. Make sure to read Betsy McCaughey’s rejoinder in today’s New York Post about the difference between your current health plan, the “qualified plan” you’ll be forced to choose under ObamaCare, and the penalties you’ll pay if you prefer not to “qualify.” Should be a fun presser on Wednesday night.
Update: Looking on the bright side, at least we know now what his next bald-faced revisionist lie about his record will be. How many months or years before he treats us to this: “But let me be clear. We have never denied that health-care reform might temporarily add to our deficits.”
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I saw some wealthy guy who was an Obama supporter being interviewed from a dock in the Hamptons on CNBC yesterday morning, and he basically said,”I disagree with his plans on the economy and the surtax, but Obama’s a smart guy he will figure out the right way so we don’t have to worry.” Total denial. Why do these people keep saying he is a smart guy? I don’t get it. He just doesn’t strike me as all that intelligent. Devious maybe, but intelligent, no.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM
A couple of us on HA were daydreaming the other day about what voting qualifications should be. Owning property could be one way to qualify, not the only way.
Proper identification
Passing a civics test
Having been born in the USA
No shirt, no shoes, no service
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM
That I can agree with
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:40 PM
For the truth has been hidden from the wise and the learned….
anyone tell me where I found that quote?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Yes, and many poor people likely voted Republican (though probably a much smaller percentage).
But the idea isn’t to ensure permanent rule by the GOP. The goal would be a competent voting public invested in the nation’s economic well-being.
If we pass the tipping point, and more than 50% of the public aren’t even paying taxes, they’ll drive us into the ground.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM
You’re right to some extent, however lack of familiarity with details isn’t all age related. I suspect a larger share is due to other activities taking precedent, or resignation to the perception our political system is corrupt and regardless of voter interest levels, politicians will do whatever they wish. I’m 69 and use TV for watching sports only. I posit that the younger generation operate mostly on general ideals based on politicans promises and the seniors more on how programs will affect them individually rather than the country as a whole. Youngsters always want change and seniors always want security. Obama has managed to tap into gullibility in both groups by telling lies.
a capella on July 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM
because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM
so much for affirmative action. i hate this bastard..even more than i disliked the rino in cheif, jorge bush.
texaninfidel on July 18, 2009 at 3:42 PM
“A couple of us on HA were daydreaming the other day about what voting qualifications should be. Owning property could be one way to qualify, not the only way.
I’d support raising minimum voting age, too (except for those in the military).”
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Ok, I know i’m going out on a limb here. But I think R. Heilein may have had it closest in Starship Troopers, (terribe movie, great book!)with only those in or veterans of, military service having the vote.
The logic being if you do not value enough your liberties granted to risk your mortal being, you value it not enough to decide over those that do.
Extreme granted, but he may have had a point here.
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 3:42 PM
i before e…….chief there
texaninfidel on July 18, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Thanks for the ammo tip!
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM
good point–exonerates you for your last.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM
10-4, Little buddy. And an IQ over -10….that would have given obama about ten votes. :)
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM
We already have.
They already did.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I’d say being a legal citizen who’s passed a citizenship test would suffice, regardless of where you were born.
Immigrants (of the legal sort) make some of the best citizens because they recognize how blessed we are.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM
LOL.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM
but what if the landowners and wealthy of America voted the wrong way?
They do today, many of them
I saw some wealthy guy who was an Obama supporter being interviewed from a dock in the Hamptons on CNBC yesterday morning, and he basically said,”I disagree with his plans on the economy and the surtax, but Obama’s a smart guy he will figure out the right way so we don’t have to worry.” Total denial. Why do these people keep saying he is a smart guy? I don’t get it. He just doesn’t strike me as all that intelligent. Devious maybe, but intelligent, no.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Ah yes sag harbor
was there for the fourth
great fireworks
too many dumb lefties visit and ruin the place
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
But, but…he went to Harvard! He was editor of the Law Review!
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Thanks for the discussion, all. I’ve gotta run.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Some of the most knowledgeable folks I’ve known in the past few years (with regards to American civics knowledge) have been immigrants.
One of them (a radiologist) gave several of us the same civics test he had to take when he got his citizenship.
Most of us failed.
‘cept me
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM
.
Rob Peter to pay Paul, and you can count on the support of Paul.
iurockhead on July 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM
cul8r
gotta run also.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM
The President has no shame. He will sign the first Health care bill that lands on his desk regardless of the price tag. Whatever the implied cost insiders always know it is at least three times larger.
After six months of this corner jive the only rational conclusion that can be drawn is Obama remembers and practices—Taqiyya, the Islamic Principle of Lying.
patrick neid on July 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I give up who said it?
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM
txmomof6 on
And there we go
wealth determines nothing
buffet voted obarfy! And that can’t be undone!
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Sorry I haven’t read all the threads felt compelled to add this though:
FILTHY LIAR!
It really doesn’t matter if Presidente Pinnochio is a real boy or just a puppet, whatever, he is still a FILTHY LIAR!
Throw the bums out! All of em!
Force new ones to install TERM LIMITS on all three branches of gov’t and put Senate Scumbags and Congress Critters on the same pay/benefit scale as the U.S. military not a dime more. They are certainly worth no more, perform no more vital a function and are not nearly as honorable.
dhunter on July 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM
AAAHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
(my family thanks you for letting today’s scream take place online.)
TubbyHubby on July 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM
If the point of this bill is to deal with the “uninsured” … as leftists have been claiming, why does it dictate to those with insurance?
darwin on July 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Color me unimpressed.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Most of the military are not property owners…are you going to deny them the right to vote?
No, I’m with BB on this…land ownership does not equate the only way to have a vested interest in this country.
ladyingray on July 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM
darwin on July 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM
You would be missing the point…;) Control is the real point.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM
it’s in Luke ch 10 I think
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I vote for a surtax on Obama voters of %10 added to their marginal rates and %10 of their accumulated wealth. There healthcare funding solved.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM
that’s raaacist…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM
10% of nothin….is still nothin…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM
unless Bling is an asset…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:59 PM
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Thanks!
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Buffet, Pelosi, Geffen, Streisand, Kennedy etc, etc. that’s not chump change.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM
you bet’cha
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM
you surely must be confused.
I speak the truth. Darkness may prevail in some battles, but will not win the ultimate struggle. The end result is preordained and our choices are clear—to fight or not, and the manner in which we do it.
I’ve fought for the freedom of this country, I have seen tyranny up close. Tyranny must be fought.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM
And I as well Ted, however with hisrory being the yardstick I see no evidence supporting the precept of a garaunteed victory by good over evil. Ergo, the 15,000 to 238yr tyranny vs liberty scorecard.
Even though I am a cubbie fan, its hard to relax in the face of that. Just sayin.
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM
okay, i see your point, 10% right off the top of those fools.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Immigrants (of the legal sort) make some of the best citizens because they recognize how blessed we are.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I wish that were true. But unfortunately, many of our new citizens have learned the identity-politics game all too well. Let them wait a generation.
My wife, a Russian immigrant, says “fair enough,” as long as she can keep giving money to Michele Bachmann.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Voting rights should hinge on several factors:
1) Property ownership (for the appropriate levels of government)
2) Paying a certain amount of taxes for each level of government (i.e. state taxes to for votes at the state level – state positions and referenda – federal taxes for votes at the federal level, …) (In this, it would be better to issue no vote for no taxes paid, 1 vote for the minimal percentage, 2 votes for the next percentage, … – this encourages lawmakers to flatten the tax structure and allows citizens to voluntarily pay higher rates to get an extra vote or two)
3) Passing a basic civics test for the level of government being voted on.
4) Military service (combat service) extends an automatic exemption from all above, for some length of time or for life.
Something along these lines.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM
are you a Christian?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Me, too. Most of the physicians my wife knows are Ivy educated. And they are mostly ignorant, boring people. Who mostly voted for Ogabe.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I would add: wearing a belt so we can’t see 10 inches of your shorts.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM
are you a Christian?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM
No, those are Chumps for Change!
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Yeah, way too many do, but there is hope. At both the Tea Parties I attended many of the participants were 60+. They were quite aware of what was happening and were there to support their grandchildren. There were younger folks there,too, but not quite as many. They do understand the devil is in the details and they are not happy. Unfortunately they have never had to fight this way. They need a general and so far there isn’t one. We are woefully ignorant of how to protest. How do we stop this monstrosity? This fight needs to be fought, but how to mobilize? Obama’s cram down is the way of life these days and none of us have ever had to deal with this before.
BetseyRoss on July 18, 2009 at 4:06 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Oh no you di’int *waggling neck and index finga*
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM
And I would add that I would leave it to each state to decide how they want to structure the requirements for voting within their state structures. If one state wanted to have universal suffrage, then good for them. I wouldn’t step anywhere near that place, but let them compete with the other states to see which run themselves best.
The military exemption would need to be federal and apply to all states.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM
96.6% of American high school students who were given the 10-question exam for naturalization candidates failed it – and a passing grade was 6 out of 10.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I am just waiting for the bumper sticker which says, “I’m s0rry, so s0rry… with the obama symbol for the 0. It may be coming sooner than we thought.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I go with the Chinese (or is it the Japanese?) – FIRE the teachers!
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM
This is telling. It tells us a lot about parents, kids and schools. I’d start with the parents.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM
The teachers are simply teaching the Bill Ayers curriculum.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM
LOL, just saw the best political cartoon on Twitter.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM
If we’re responsible conservatives here, then the ultimate responsibility for the knowledge of those facts lies at the feet of the parents….
Once we cede our authority repeatedly to the state (as we’ve done with the public school system), then we shouldn’t be surprised at the results…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM
I’d fire him … literally, if you know what I mean.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM
I heard on the radio a few weeks ago only 75% of high school students could name the first president. Sigh.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM
awesome cartoon!
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Thanks for the chortle.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM
yeah but probably 95% of them can text 100+ words per minute and name the top 10 finalists on American Idol.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Hilarious.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM
He’s still a lying, narssistic, nincompoop, dumb-cluck.
And, oh, that’s all I need to know about Harvard, too.
betsyz on July 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Uh, uh…hang on, hang on…right on the tip of my tongue. Uh, the guy who owned slaves, right? Whatiz name, whatiz name?
Damn, I had it right there for a second.
But I know he owned slaves.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM
SNORT!!!!
thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Not my high schoolers. But I am afraid they do love to watch Myth Busters far too much.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM
You are absolutely correct, ted. The first move is to stop the idiocy of forcing people to pay for public school. I am also distrssed that so few conservatives call for the abolishment of the Dept of Ed at the federal level, where it has no business existing.
… but I’d still fire the teachers. The parents just have to live with their shame and should be publicly humiliated for their uneducated children.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM
We have to perpetually challenge the undeserved assumption that simply because you go to an Ivy League school–that you are a well reasoned thinker capable of leading a country. It simply does not hold water. One would think that the way that the media treated Yale grad GWB would have proven that. I guess simply if you are a Demorat plus a Haavahd grad–that you must be smart. That dog won’t hunt anymore.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM
They did – the electoral college.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Actually, I prefer graduates of Eureka College.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM
FIFY
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:18 PM
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM
dude–totally agree.
and that’s why we homeschool our kiddos.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:18 PM
I remember, being a Gen X’er, the previous generation thought we were a bunch of drug addicted, shroom tripped, base head losers….and the previous generation thought THEY were the idiots.
But, I have to tell you, the kids today…..dumb as a box of rocks. You are right, blame the parents and the schools. Stupid is promoted, smart is swirlied.
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM
help me out–what the heck is “FIFY” ?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM
You mean the “amiable dunce”? B-movie actor?
On the other hand, the Russians didn’t look at Reagan as though he was chimp.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Fixed it for you
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM
great example GTL–Ol’ Dutch
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM
thanks dude
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Excellent. It’s just a shame that you still have to pay for the miseducation of others.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Good, if you believe Obama, there will be no new health care bill.
bayview on July 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM
The don’t read.
Internet is a double-edged sword. I used to read a couple of hundred books a year. I’m probably down to a couple of dozen now.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I may have to pay for it, but I sure as heck get lots of laughs out of ridiculing it….
it helps ease the pain…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Actually, it was txmomof6 who brought up Reagan…I was just following her lead.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Anyone read–
Beck: Common Sense
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM
OHHH; now i get it Eureka College–dunce here–totally forgot
Eureka–
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:25 PM
slow on the uptake here… Matter of fact; a neighbor loaned me a Reagan movie I need to watch tonight..
right here “Kings Run” 1942
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:26 PM
I’m 67 years old and this healthcare bill is depressing me. I’ve been wondering where the AARP ads are against this, and heard yesterday they are backing this bill. I read somewhere that there’s a provision in it that says the elderly has to be interviewed (reviewed) every 5 years and see what their needs are and what they will qualify for. You are obviously not worth spending much on, so they will offer you whatever pills will help your pain until you die. Needless to say, if this passes, we won’t have much to look forward to. I’ve already been so depressed since the election that I barely leave the house any more. This may do me in.
silvernana on July 18, 2009 at 4:26 PM
back when character was king… Hmm. the old days
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Build a man a fire, keep him warm for one night.
Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.
AZCoyote on July 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
GWB also attended and graduated from Harvard. He was in the B school.
bayview on July 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Nana: hold on there. If you don’t agree with this you need to stand up and make your voice heard. I’m a healthcare provider and there is only one reason why the elderly would need to be reviewed every 5 years, and it ain’t for your good. I encourage you to stand up and fight for your rights on this. I want to see you maintain the freedom to choose what happens with your physical well being. Don’t trust that ANYONE would have your best interests in mind better than you or your family.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Don’t be depressed, call your friends and educate them. Organize a letter writing party at your house and write letters to Baucus, Conrad et al.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM
bayview on July 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
i thought both GHWB and GWB went to Yale….
harvard, yale, brown, princeton–what the heck right. All lib, all the same, suck at football
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Reminds of Brave New World, where the government gave you a daily dose of Soma, the obliviousness drug.
Always loved the scene where the drone workers riot in the streets for some reason and the police pull up with trucks spewing Soma gas and loudpeakers with a soothing, Obammy-like voice crooning, “Dear friends, dear friends, whatever is the matter? Good night, dear friends, good night dear friends.”
Jesus. I could use a good dose of that – I’ve been grumpy ever since, oh, November 5.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Heh.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Late to the party but…
Obama lied and health care died.
jukin on July 18, 2009 at 4:32 PM
AARP is only backing the bill because they stand to make money from it. They’ve sold out the very people they’re supposed to be looking out for: the elderly.
AZCoyote on July 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Nana: come on now– you remember back in 1977, gas lines, malaise, 20% + unemployment right? Truth was, things DID get better– there is hope, just not the dope hope the White House is trying to sell you. Do not give up, we need you and your friends, you are important and you matter. Your opinion matters and those bums in DC need to hear you speak your mind.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I prefer: Obama lied and Michelle has a really huge ass.
But then, I’ve never had a talent for rhyme.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
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