Obama promises: I won’t sign any health-care bill that adds to the deficit
posted at 12:55 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
That’s how the Times is spinning it, but read the fine print. What he actually says is he won’t sign any bill that adds to our deficits over the next decade. The One knows this is a sinkhole in the long run even if it isn’t in the short run — which, per the CBO, it almost certainly is. No worries, though: “I don’t believe that government can or should run health care,” he assures us, ignoring the fact that he once famously said he doesn’t want to run the auto companies … a month after he forced the chairman of GM into early retirement. No wonder some prominent Democrats now want to, um, run the auto companies.
Oh, and he’s still lying about letting you keep your current insurance if you like it, oblivious to the reality of what’ll happen to private insurers forced to compete with a program backed by the Treasury Department’s printing presses. But then, as he candidly says here, “I … don’t think insurance companies should have free reign to do as they please.” That’s Obamanomics in a nutshell. Make sure to read Betsy McCaughey’s rejoinder in today’s New York Post about the difference between your current health plan, the “qualified plan” you’ll be forced to choose under ObamaCare, and the penalties you’ll pay if you prefer not to “qualify.” Should be a fun presser on Wednesday night.
Update: Looking on the bright side, at least we know now what his next bald-faced revisionist lie about his record will be. How many months or years before he treats us to this: “But let me be clear. We have never denied that health-care reform might temporarily add to our deficits.”
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jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I guess I was just waxing nostalgic there for a moment *sniff sniff*
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Snort.
You know who else shouldn’t be able to just do as they please…THE POTUS AND HIS MINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scalleywag on July 18, 2009 at 2:22 PM
True to the meaning of trolling, she and the other trolls are just throwing out a line to see who bites at it.
If we don’t bite, then she’ll leave and go fish in another pond.
(I say this although I am as guilty as anyone else of feeding the trolls… Shame on me)
UltimateBob on July 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Since when has Obama’s word been worth anything on any outcome that helps the country or its people, other than the interest groups he holds dear?
I dunno who he is lying to here, maybe even how many lies are coming out besides the clear ones. But somebody is getting lied to.
Harry Schell on July 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I’m so proud. That’s my state, y’all!
[wipes tear from eye]
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Let’s use our indoor voice Stinger.-_-
thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM
lies lies lies yeah ah……
SHARPTOOTH on July 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Yeah, nostalgia hurts these days. Right after the election, I felt very sad that my kids will never know the U.S. I grew up in.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM
heh
Need a truck? I know where you can get one.. ;)
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Better get sick now, before this bill becomes Law…Lord knows what sort of treatment you’ll be rationed into.
coldwarrior on July 18, 2009 at 2:27 PM
i hate this waste of skin. lying sack of dog sh*t. i can’t believe people still believe his lies. stupid should never breed or vote.
HornetSting on July 18, 2009 at 2:27 PM
this was awesome…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I don’t need a truck, but I’d like to get my hands on some 9mm hollow point.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:28 PM
It’d be nice if we went back to landowners only.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM
How exactly is that going to work if we still are paying federal tax dollars into the federal healthcare plan? Same problem as education and private schools, isn’t it?. If a state allows me to opt out of the federal plan, I’m still helping finance it, and I can’t afford both public and private expenditures. I know the One says only the rich will be taxed to pay for it, but we all know that isn’t true.
a capella on July 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Twilight Zone.
jimbodeano67 on July 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Motto at new obamacare treatment facility:
“We love and endorse freedom of choice. At our new medical clinic you have two choices for your healthcare—Take it, or leave it.”
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Indeed. Love this guy!
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM
lol..Selling Pick up Trucks free AK’s. Now that’s a sales promotion guaranteed to make a Liberals head explode.
Dreadnought223 on July 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Your many questions are anti-revolutionary, Comrade. Watch it.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I take it this is not one of the government dealerships!
jimbodeano67 on July 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM
that guy was having a battle of the wits, with an unarmed woman….
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I’ve lived through a lot of administrations and I have to say, not one of them has sat with a straight face and told so many boldfaced lies in such a short amount of time as this feckless lump. It’s truly sickening. He will not get the opportunity to say
“But let me be clear. We have never denied that health-care reform might temporarily add to our deficits.”
Because this bill is going to FAIL. Miserably. And when it does, how many prime time pressers do you think he’ll want to give?
scalleywag on July 18, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Only place to get them in CO. is gun shows and they’re going up in price evry show. If you get there an hour after oening they’re gone.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:31 PM
“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
George W. Bush quotes
Apparently advice from President Bush that Obama is following!
I can’t wait for the 2010 elections. We have to vote the Obamabot congress out!
conservativegrandma on July 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Hollow point’ll do that…
coldwarrior on July 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Yeah, it’s the same sort of ‘freedom of choice’ a baby has when mom heads into Planned Parenthood.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM
dude–this is an awesome quote.!
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Ha! if it is… I’d like to see the feds try…try to shut it down…
Probably have to call in the ATF to do it.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM
It would be so funny to see a kid write this in a report:
“What I learned over summer break is that almost every promise Pres. Obama makes he does the exact opposite.”
Often I’ve wondered how the people of this country aren’t getting what’s going on. I’m starting to think more are catching on, but calling their govt. officials isn’t working. Unfortunately for the officials, I think they’re going to get it in the end. What that is I have no idea, but most of me thinks whatever it’s going to be will be bad.
roopster217 on July 18, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Yeah, there wasn’t *any* 9mm at the gun show here a few months ago.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:34 PM
I’m just a Right Wing Extremist Messenger. Please don’t shoot me Comrade.
But you do bring up some interesting points.
Knucklehead on July 18, 2009 at 2:34 PM
It is utterly insane to listen to what these statist liberals say any longer. They pervert what is good for what is evil. They trade the truth for a lie constantly. As you mentioned, they trade something good “choice” for murder or abortion. They have traded God for the environment and essentially deified the environment. Obama has traded the term “tax increase” for the more savory “tax cut” and people actually buy that crap.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Was it the Tanner show?
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:36 PM
What is shocking to me is that Seniors (or near Seniors) are just sitting around ready to take it.
I know there is no bounds for the cynical use of seniors as props politics from the left (Bush is going to starve seniors…etc.).
But when the bear is at the door, no one raises a peep.
Another “There is a bear in the woods” commercial…please, before seniors are reduced to fodder for “saving America” machine.
r keller on July 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Well said. It used to be about gray areas, shading the light with a little darkness. Now they celebrate evil and call it good, and call what is good (e.g., having children, esp. disabled children) evil.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Obama lied, people died………
ultracon on July 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM
No one ever argues with it! I wish I could claim credit…it comes from my boss who used it in an article he wrote describing the Somalia “government.” He used rump actually, but either one applies in this case. ha :)
scalleywag on July 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I don’t remember. It was in KCMO, and it was *packed*.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:39 PM
What Obama didn’t say: “I don’t want to run the auto companies.”
What Obama did say: “I don’t want (pregnant pause) to run the auto companies.”
Of course he doesn’t want (pregnant pause) to run anything that is currently the domain of private industry. But he is obviously the only one competent enough to do it.
He was forced into this position by George Bush.
And global warming.
Which is also Bush’s fault.
Wingo on July 18, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Most seniors aren’t getting the whole story. My folks get their news from the 3 networks as many do.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Not all of ‘em!
oldernwiser on July 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM
One more time,
THEY.DON’T.INTEND.TO.LET.YOU.VOTE.THEM.OUT
Don’t wait until they stop the 2010 election under the guise of a national emergency. RESIST NOW!
MikeA on July 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Now if we’d elected John Edwards, this wouldn’t been a problem.
try again later on July 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM
The saving grace is that only light overcomes darkness. Darkness cannot overcome light. We have to be the light unto the world and when we are, then the darkness shall recede. It’s an uphill battle, but nothing worth doing was ever easy…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Yes, He who is Morality, Goodness, and Wisdom Incarnate must save us ignorant wretches from that false prophet of the Great Satan, George W. Bush, and the ‘tyranny of oil’ he oppressed us with.
/sarc
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I’m with you.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM
The Tanner shows have a pretty good supply if you get there early, first day. If you can make it to Denver on 8/1 there is one here.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Lol these guys are so
RIDICULOUS!
“when I rape the treasury I promise to be gentle”
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Did you all know that the DNC dumped several thousand bucks into the coffers of moderate leaning Dems in several districts right before the cap and tax vote. those dollars are paying for commercials to now trump up the “positive” effects of cap and tax on the environment, on defense–tschaa!?–and everything else.
votes, being bought. Nice. The hell with the will of the people
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Isn’t that the same thing the liberals said about the 2008 election? Leave that crazy at the door.
KSgop on July 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Yeah, I’m hard-pressed to think of a single Amendment after the 10th that hasn’t been a disaster.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Yeah, I guess I can blame him for my premature balding and weight gain too. /sarc At least I DO know that I lost my hair from some of the morons in CA.
roopster217 on July 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM
and also with you..
+2
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM
yup
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Obama is such a liar. He does not think insurance companies should be able to do as they please??? Oh, but apparently sneaky politicians like himself most certainly can.
Terrye on July 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Terrye:
time—time—his time shall come. We are locked in an epic struggle…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Mike:
I don’t like these guys, but I really do not think they are going to stop an election in 2010. Really.
Terrye on July 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Historians, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this administration on track to be the most corrupt in U.S. history?
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM
It’d be nice if we went back to landowners only.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Gotta part ways with you on this one, cougar
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Ha! if it is… I’d like to see the feds try…try to shut it down…
Probably have to call in the ATF to do it.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Heh-heh, you guys gotta see this….
http://www.thoseshirts.com/atf.html
I ordered one last week, just about fell outta my chair my chair when I saw on the top banner over on Drudge. Made my freakin day!
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Historians, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this administration on track to be the most corrupt in U.S. history?
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I’m beginning to think Obarfy has some blood linkage
with Boss Tweed
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Love the photo. He’s sitting there like a wax figure (which I believe he may well be), staring at the teleprompter. Like someone’s getting ready to plug him in or something…. so he can talk.
Very troubling, kinda funny, all rolled into one.
Key West Reader on July 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM
He’s right KS.
And the more arrogant they become with little regard for our voices, leads me to believe they know something we don’t. This kind of confidence in the wake of a rising tide of discontent makes it more plausible that something is afoot.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM
If we’d elected John Edwards, Christopher Reeves would be walking today.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM
ted c,
DIG your reference to Hotel California… I didnt realize how much the song actually correlates to the health care slavery plan of Obama.
Thanks dude.
nagee76 on July 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Reform can also mean FREE MARKET REFORM. Not a socialized system
Libertarian Joseph on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM
…And he could fly around the planet really fast, turn back time, and we could have limitless ‘Do Overs’…
w00t!!
BigWyo on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I understand honey. But someday you’ll see why it was the best way.
Actually. it’s evident today why. If people have nothing invested other than emotions and hand outs, we get the mess we have today.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Because, because, because he’ll always make all kinds of sense to the senseless, and he still has ample numbers on his side.
betsyz on July 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM
That is funny!
katy on July 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Lying Bastard…
RalphyBoy on July 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Or tort reform, or a number of other things.
I wonder if one of the best things the gov’t could do to improve the health care situation (and all sorts of other problems) is simply to get the economy going again–by deregulation, tax cuts, spending freezes, eliminating a few agencies (starting with DOE), etc.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM
katy on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I think almost everyone has an interest
sure half don’t pay income
but we all pay sales tax, for example
we all pay some sort of taxation
even us non landowners.
So indeed we all have an interest
liberalism is the cause
not not owning land
that’s mere correlation not causation
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Didn’t he mean that he would not sign any bill that didn’t increase the deficit
burt on July 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM
IT’s also funny how the term “health care reform” has been perverted and used as a proxy for “socialized medicine.”
It is MADDENING to see how the standard statist liberal modus operandi is to pervert a perfectly useful term and pirate it into something that is sinister and misleading. Health care reform can encompass many things, as many posters are commenting on–ie free market reform, HMO reform, better coverage options AS WELL AS a public plan. The statists liberals assign it a as a fait accompli that in order to get “socialized medicine” then we must pass the more palatable “health care reform.” Hence, the actual truth is THEY’RE LYING. It is simply disingenuous to see that these guys completely misuse the English language to get us to their Hotel California and drink their champagne on ice.
Am I wrong?
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM
We all have skin in the game
like I said – sales tax
national security
abortion and whether we can get one
education
once you give power to a handful
how many libs own land and are filthy rich
you go down a bad road
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813)
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Moreover, it is disingenuous when the statist liberals assign anyone who is against their “socialized medicine” as being guilty of opposing “health care reform.” These turd cutters try to have it both ways on the language.
I say this crap stops here. Call it what it is SOCIALIZED MEDICINE and BAD MEDICINE at that.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:12 PM
To save time and electrons…..
Just let us know if he ever says anything that is NOT a lie.
LegendHasIt on July 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM
poifect!
katy on July 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I view it as a cycle
oppression
revolution
growth
prosperity
complacency
tyranny/oppression
etc etc
but I’m not going to give up my rights as a citizen because I don’t own land
I purchase products. I work and contribute to a national economy
I bleed the same blood upon strike of an enemy
we will let those vote based on the fact they have MORE than others? This postulation is wrongheaded
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Who’s to say those who have more know better?
The wealthy in this nation support leftists all the time
possession is not a causation
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:20 PM
The saving grace is that only light overcomes darkness. Darkness cannot overcome light. We have to be the light unto the world and when we are, then the darkness shall recede. It’s an uphill battle, but nothing worth doing was ever easy…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM
This type of touchy-feely, warm & fizzy, happy horse s**t thinking drives me batty! Try selling it to those buried in mass graves from Babi-Yar to the killing fields of Cambodia!
In the entire history of mankind until the Delaration of Independence, humans had no choice but to live under one despot or another! The whole concept of self determination and individual liberty is less than 300yrs old!
If darkness could reign on a ratio of roughly 15,000/238, I would posit that the assurety of light’s triumph over it is not demonstrated by the score board thus far!
We must not let the apathetic complancency of wishful thinking undermine our resolve. I fear it will be no easy task to wrest our hard won liberties back. “Power once ceded, is far more difficult to retreive!”
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Having does not make a person vote for freedom from government
NYC has some of the most wealthy people around who own land in many places
yet they are part of te liberal stronghold
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Just sayin’: the Founding Fathers limited voting to property owners because the recognized that Tytler was right.
Hamilton put it more succinctly: “Once the farmers realize that they can vote themselves the proceeds of the Treasury, the Republic will have been lost.”
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:23 PM
It’s not a question of MORE bb. It’s a question of the degree of investment (not necessarily financial) and responsibility.
.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM
A couple of us on HA were daydreaming the other day about what voting qualifications should be. Owning property could be one way to qualify, not the only way.
I’d support raising minimum voting age, too (except for those in the military).
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Agreed, but I took ted c’s reference to the ‘uphill battle’ of light overcoming darkness as a challenge, not a pleasantry.
Slavery was abolished, Hitler was defeated, the USSR fell. Sometimes the good guys win, but it takes courage, sacrifice, and hard work.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I understand
but what if the landowners and wealthy of America voted the wrong way?
They do today, many of them
I ttally get it
I just don’t think possession is related to ideology
they may by slightly related but I feel they are more exclusive
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Obama got 73% of the “under $15,000 income” vote.
He got 49% of the $100,000 and over vote (which freaks me out, but at least it ain’t 73%).
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM
True enough. But, for better or worse, people tend to vote their self-interest. Sure, a lot of high-income people vote stupid, when marginal tax rates are, say, 35%.
With the sort of taxation Ogabe is going to ram down their throats, they’re not gonna vote so stupid in the future.
But unfortunately, they’re massivly outnumbered by the class I call the “useless eaters”.
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Archimedes on July 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM
you surely must be confused.
I speak the truth. Darkness may prevail in some battles, but will not win the ultimate struggle. The end result is preordained and our choices are clear—to fight or not, and the manner in which we do it.
I’ve fought for the freedom of this country, I have seen tyranny up close. Tyranny must be fought.
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM
hermano
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM
How many people in middle America and middle class communities voted obarfy this year?
Many
blatantblue on July 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Order it on-line from Cabela’s . I got 500 rounds of .40S&W at a pretty good price. It took about 2 weeks to get, but I got it.
mr.blacksheep on July 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Proper identification
Passing a civics test
Having been born in the USA
No shirt, no shoes, no service
guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM
let them sleep with their regret. Let them reap what they have sown. Let them witness with their own eyes how the truth can be so easily traded for a lie. Let them witness the gathering storm that will crush the statist and relegate him to his proper position–into the dustbin of history….
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Let them relish in their weak victories, let them puff themselves up in self importance, let them mock us at cocktail parties—let them.
For we are patient.
but we are not kind…
ted c on July 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM
I took your challenge and racked my brain to come up with a non-lie. Found it: A couple months ago when he was in L.A. and did a Hollywood whoop-whoop speech, he said, “You ain’t seen nothing yet!”
Now tell me that this statement was not truthful.
betsyz on July 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM
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