Obama promises: I won’t sign any health-care bill that adds to the deficit

posted at 12:55 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit

That’s how the Times is spinning it, but read the fine print. What he actually says is he won’t sign any bill that adds to our deficits over the next decade. The One knows this is a sinkhole in the long run even if it isn’t in the short run — which, per the CBO, it almost certainly is. No worries, though: “I don’t believe that government can or should run health care,” he assures us, ignoring the fact that he once famously said he doesn’t want to run the auto companies … a month after he forced the chairman of GM into early retirement. No wonder some prominent Democrats now want to, um, run the auto companies.

Oh, and he’s still lying about letting you keep your current insurance if you like it, oblivious to the reality of what’ll happen to private insurers forced to compete with a program backed by the Treasury Department’s printing presses. But then, as he candidly says here, “I … don’t think insurance companies should have free reign to do as they please.” That’s Obamanomics in a nutshell. Make sure to read Betsy McCaughey’s rejoinder in today’s New York Post about the difference between your current health plan, the “qualified plan” you’ll be forced to choose under ObamaCare, and the penalties you’ll pay if you prefer not to “qualify.” Should be a fun presser on Wednesday night.

Update: Looking on the bright side, at least we know now what his next bald-faced revisionist lie about his record will be. How many months or years before he treats us to this: “But let me be clear. We have never denied that health-care reform might temporarily add to our deficits.”


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House Democrat Health Bill Adds to Budget Deficit, CBO Says from the Wall Street Journal.

This is why the AMA is supporting the House plan. I guess they figure Reform is inevitable so they want to get what they can out of it. Members of the AMA should write them and protest their position. I bet the state Medical Associations aren’t onboard.

txmomof6 on July 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM

You are correct. There has been a splintering between the AMA and several state Med Associations.

http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/16/ama-splinters-over-failure-to-oppose-obamacare/

ICBM on July 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM

This man is dangerous because he believes his own lie and will not give up or in to get his way.

If you think he cares about you try to challenge his words and you will get an earful and probably arrested.

MSGTAS on July 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM

FWIW: Fox News Sunday had Orzag (sp?) and Senator Gregg (separately) on to discuss health care. Orzag was a tool, rather unconvincing. Gregg was very reasonable, quite persuasive. Gregg sounded as if he knows exactly what to do and proposes reform without throwing a bunch of bones to various interest groups. I will fault him for inexact terminonolgy. He kept speaking of limiting “deductibility” of high-end insurance coverage, which is not what he’s meant–I think. Obama has mumbled something about limiting itemized deductions for charitable contributions, mortgage interest, real estate taxes, and the like by some amount as a means of, in effect, getting high-income people to pay more income tax. It’s a hidden tax increase without having to be accused of raising any tax rates. Anyway, Obama’s idea has to do with the deductibility of itemized deductions, and I don’t think Gregg was talking about that. Instead, I think, Gregg was talking about the “exclusion” of employer-provided health coverage from a taxpayer’s W-2 wage income. I think Gregg proposes a ceiling for coverage over which the exclusion would no longer apply. That is, if your coverage amounts to $17,000 a year or less, the exclusion would still apply. If your coverage amounts to more than $17,000 a year, the amount over $17,000 would be included in your taxable wages. The idea is to eliminate the “subsidy” of those who receive extraordinary generous health care coverage when compared to others. The problem, of course, is that many union employees have these gold-plated plans, and Obama ain’t going to want to do this.

We’ll see.

BuckeyeSam on July 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Lie after lie after lie after lie. When will the American people say enough already.

bluegrass on July 19, 2009 at 11:15 AM

CrockObama’s FIRST LIE?

“I promise to uphold and defend the constitution…”

The, ahem, man is a joke.

dthorny on July 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM

The ignorance of the statist liberal is astounding. In pursuit of the utopia, they must first suspend all disbelief on the failed policies of the past. These fools ignorantly continue to retread the same old policies of tyrants whose blood has watered the tree of liberty.

The only difference between the statist liberals of years gone by and those of today is the pace of the march, today the pace has broken into a run. However, even with a compliant Congress–the statist rhetoric is meeting with the hard road of reality. The one pertinent question the statist liberal always fails to answer is “How much is enough?” They’ll never fail to restrict freedom, they’ll never fail to crush liberty. They’ll smile and speechify the people all the way to the chains of slavery.

I call BS on these plans.

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

This shameless liar needs to be exposed. Since the MSM will NEVER report his whopper lies about CRITICAL issues, why doesn’t the RNC and/or whomever create a 60 second spot chocked full of Obama’s lies. One after the other after another and another, and another – rapid fire. We need to dent this guy’s popularity to slow him down and save our country. His personal popularity is the only card the libs have to play with America now. It’s vital that we discredit and expose this man for the liar that he is. Where do I send my check?

marklmail on July 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I think it was “Meet the Press” or “FoxNews” this morning who stated even if passed next week (God forbid), no one will notice a change in their healthcare until 2014.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

He is a consummate liar, he cannot tell the truth as the only things that matter to him are power and continuity of his reign for which he will say and do anything. He is a mighty liar and has not told the truth in his lifetime. Entirely opportunistic in all things. Will the American people ever wake up to this? What must we do? We are waiting for a moment of truth on 7/26 – Sarah will help…

highninside on July 19, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart noted recently that Obama told a Pakistani interviewer that he is an accomplished chef of Pakistani cuisines and reads the great Urdu poets.

“Mr. President,” Stewart said, “while I am impressed with your Renaissance Man-level of knowledge in a plethora of subjects, may I humbly say: That’s great. Just fix the economy!”

Even the biggest brown nosers are getting testy

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I think it was “Meet the Press” or “FoxNews” this morning who stated even if passed next week (God forbid), no one will notice a change in their healthcare until 2014.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Except for the increase in taxes, that will go into effect immediately. Definitely before the recession is over.

txmomof6 on July 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM

think it was “Meet the Press” or “FoxNews” this morning who stated even if passed next week (God forbid), no one will notice a change in their healthcare until 2014.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Great, continue the falsehood that is immediate gratification and delayed pain. This is like offering somebody an introductory interest rate of 0%, only to have it go up to 30% after 1 year.

Ain’t gonna fall for that trick Peter Peter Mr. Hopenchange Eater…

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 1:18 PM

“no one will notice a change in their healthcare until 2014.”

This is the most pathetic talking point in history – and another monumental lie.

marklmail on July 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM

The line of BS just keeps on growing. He has such contempt for people of intelligence that he uses an army of those without any to destroy freedom.

Saltysam on July 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Everything he says is a lie. He’s a buffoon, and without the corrupt leftist political machine and the corrupt leftist press, he’d be living in a halfway house after his second bust for running con jobs.

Merovign on July 19, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I think it was “Meet the Press” or “FoxNews” this morning who stated even if passed next week (God forbid), no one will notice a change in their healthcare until 2014.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I guess I better get my second hip replacement by 2013. After that, they’ll tell me I’m too young and to take pain pills til I’m in a wheelchair.

txag92 on July 19, 2009 at 2:12 PM

“no one will notice a change in their healthcare until 2014.”

This is the most pathetic talking point in history – and another monumental lie.

marklmail on July 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I’ll watch again, but I think it was Krauthammer or Kristol who said it.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Where do I send my check?

marklmail on July 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

i’ll send a check when i see michael steele no longer being able to speak from screaming about all of this non stop.

Ghoul aid on July 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Yes, you will.

Sorry if this is redundant.

BD57 on July 19, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Liar

ultracon on July 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM

tomorrow am. It’s totally on—this bill goes down.

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Where do I send my check?

marklmail on July 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Sarahpac.com
Certainly not the RNC who gave us won’t fight McCain

dhunter on July 19, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Saturday’s crash was at least the third major transit accident in the United States since May.

Nine people were killed and more than 70 injured June 22 when a Metro train slammed into a stopped train on the tracks in Washington, D.C. The cause has not been determined but investigators say equipment that is supposed to detect stopped trains failed periodically in the days leading up to the crash.

On May 8, more than 50 people were injured when a Boston subway trolley plowed into another train. Authorities say the 24-year-old operator, Aiden Quinn, went through a red signal while typing a text message on his cell phone. Quinn was indicted earlier this month on charges of grossly negligent operation and he faces three years in prison if convicted.

Government operated train wrecks.

clorensen on July 19, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Government operated train wrecks

a sign perhaps ?

maybe, an omen…

First, DC…then San Francisco….

things that make you go Hmmmm

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 5:57 PM

San Fran Sicko.

Johan Klaus on July 19, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Even the biggest brown nosers are getting testy

CWforFreedom on July 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Leibowitz is looking at that potential 60% NYC tax bracket…..

Caper29 on July 19, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Just because he has now told lies that probably top 200 you want us to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are being truthful and know what you are doing. You were strictly speaking only for the benefit of Obamabots right? You see I did not vote for you because I could not ignore the lies you told before the election and now that you are in the White House the lies have become even more outlandish, misleading and worst of all an embarrassment. If you had any semblance of honesty and decency you would resign but you don’t so we can only hope that your lies will eventually catch up to you in such detail that you are impeached!!! Does multiple Social Security #’s ring a bell?

wtng2fish on July 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I cannot express how much I hate that man.

SouthernGent on July 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM

So many unfortunates still take him at his word…his lying is legend by now, however, among thinkers….heard enough yet of “As I have been saying…..” OR “As we have said from the very beginning”….. OR “As I said back on the campaign”… every lie covers up a prior lie. The man is sick… but make no mistake. It is calculated, planned and all in a planned strategy to maintain himself in office. Get the sob lying scumbag out of office….. A disgrace to our country and our history and our values!!

highninside on July 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Governors Balk Over Emerging Health Bill Because of Cost

The role of the states in a restructured health care system dominated the National Governors Association’s summer meeting here this weekend — with bipartisan animosity voiced against the Obama administration’s plan during a closed-door luncheon on Saturday and in a private meeting on Sunday afternoon with the secretary of health and human services, Kathleen Sebelius.“I think the governors would all agree that what we don’t want from the federal government is unfunded mandates,” said Gov. Jim Douglas of Vermont, a Republican who is the group’s incoming chairman. “We can’t have the Congress impose requirements that we are forced to absorb beyond our capacity to do so.”

and the cracks widen…
force them open.

ted c on July 19, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I have an off-the-wall question:

If it is true that the new socialized medicine will rid the world of all private providers;, and,

if it is true that the goobermint bigwigs will not be subject to the new socialized medicine; then,

where will they get are?

lsheldon on July 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Oh, but Obama will (gladly) sign a healthcare bill that will limit care:

For Kennedy and his co-author, Bob Shrum, have let the rationing cat out of the bag. And that’s a problem for President Obama and the Democrats. Make no mistake: Beyond all the other crippling problems with the Democrats’ health care proposal–its cost at a time of massive deficits, the tax increases it requires at a time of recession, its preference for government over the private sector and for central planning over free competition–the deepest vulnerability of Obamacare is that it (intentionally) puts us on a course towards government rationing of health care.

Here’s the key paragraph from Kennedy and Shrum:

We also need to move from a system that rewards doctors for the sheer volume of tests and treatments they prescribe to one that rewards quality and positive outcomes. For example, in Medicare today, 18 percent of patients discharged from a hospital are readmitted within 30 days–at a cost of more than $15 billion in 2005. Most of these readmissions are unnecessary, but we don’t reward hospitals and doctors for preventing them. By changing that, we’ll save billions of dollars while improving the quality of care for patients.

TN Mom on July 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Article above from newsweek.

TN Mom on July 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM

We also need to move from a system that rewards doctors for the sheer volume of tests and treatments they prescribe to one that rewards quality and positive outcomes.

So let’s punish them for that patient who did not have the expensive “unnecessary” CT-scan of the head for the simple headache on that patient, who was later discovered to have an early brain tumor. Not only will we unleash the lawyers on the doctors, we won’t pay them, too.

Marcus on July 19, 2009 at 9:06 PM

the sheer volume of tests and treatments they prescribe

…is done as a self-protection by doctors against frivolous malpractice suits. Their liability insurance is off the wall.

Health care costs will go down if tort reform is legislated. (But I won’t hold my breath, given that trial lawyers own our legislators, and too many legislators are lawyers.

onlineanalyst on July 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM

The overwhelming amount of money from the stimulus that has been released already has not gone to the poorest states nor the hardest hit states…

And, Obama has taken his “let’s love the stimulus” tour only to states that overwhelmingly voted for him…the others? Not so much.

If Obama’s ongoing plan is to parcel out stimulus funds primarily to loyal states and constituencies, what should one believe Obama will do with doling out his new, improved, hopey, changey, Health Care dollars?

Ya think that a new hospital in a solidly Right district will get funding? Or better access to health care? Religious and charitable medical care facilities might as well start vacating the premises, and laying off their staffs. Being in competition with approved government facilities will drive them under sooner rather than later.

This Obamacare package, that a few in Congress are now only taking a second look at, much to the consternation of Obama, in a manner as the Stimulus is nothing else than a wholesale redistribution of wealth…from those that have to those that voted for him. There are a like number in Congress who want to add more…a lot more…to the costs of Obamacare and a lot of other programs that are being snuck into the Bill, to include making sure that the “rich” will pay through the nose for all the Obamatrons.

It is a sham. It will burden our children and grandchildren for decades, and may, in all likelihood, destroy our economy to such an extent that we will be a Third World economy, dependent on the good graces of China, India, the Euros and Russia to maintain anything resembling a viable lifestyle and economy.

Obama cannot blame Bush for any of this…he owns it, 100%.

This is not the Change even most of those who voted for this blockhead expected. Or is it? If it is, then those who voted for Obama are part and parcel to the downfall of America. And those who voted for the Stimulus and may vote for Obamacare are enemies of the state.

Perhaps we should make this clear to any and all we know who are sporting an Obama bumper sticker or were so thrilled that they voted for Obama. They may be family members, they may be long time acquaintances or co-workers…but they are no friends of the United States of America. Nor should they be accepted as friends by any who value who we are, and the Nation we have built over generations of hard work and devotion to liberty.

coldwarrior on July 19, 2009 at 9:36 PM

coldwarrior on July 19, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Thanks for that! Not! I’ve been practicing my responses of “mmm, uh-huh, that’s nice” for an upcoming family reunion.

ericdijon on July 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM

How’s Obama going to keep that promise to the American people, by a pinky swear?

RedRobin145 on July 19, 2009 at 9:57 PM

RedRobin145 on July 19, 2009 at 9:57 PM

I was concerned about which had more value.

ericdijon on July 19, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Dear BHO, Bulls**t you lying big eared geek.

jarhead0311 on July 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM

ericdijon on July 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Well, at a family reunion you really don’t expect all the relatives to get along, do you? :-)

The main point is that the Right has been too accommodating over the past two decades. Our “leadership” (if you can call it that) has gone out of their way to reach across the aisle, and even when all they got was a chewed off hand or forearm, they still persist in trying to be “nice.”

Looking back at Bob Taft (“Mr. Republican” of the early Cold War years) and Barry Goldwater (Mr. Conservative of the same period) both knew where they stood, and their supporters knew precisely where they stood as well.

The most basic fundamentals that enabled this Nation to be born, to grow, to thrive, have been watered down over the past two decades to such an extent that, well, you’ve heard it, we at times were no more than Democrat Lite.

Now, that the Dems hold all the cards in this game, they can now dictate terms. The Dems chose our candidate in the last Presidential election…seriously. He was “nice” even though they hated him…and his running mate, whom they still hate with a passion. He reached across the aisle so many times it is hard to believe he has either hand anymore.

So, unless we can call it as we see it, and be unafraid in doing so, and use those basic fundamentals to bolster our stand, and demand our “leadership” do the same…well, we might as well give them the entire ballpark, and let them make the rules as they see fit.

Any GOP member of Congress who crosses the aisle now, and aids the Dems in destroying our economy, our way of life, we should make sure they carry the mark of Cain and never cast another vote for them…ever.

We are better, we can do better, and we should not be afraid to do so.

coldwarrior on July 19, 2009 at 11:35 PM

“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evilminded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.”
— Justice Louis D. Brandeis dissenting,Olmstead v. United States

50% of all health care dollars now is spent by Government.
We need Health care reform alright- we need to get government out of the business of health care. This counseling to seniors about end of life health care is scary stuff. What will we tell them “your time is up and we cannot afford you anymore pops” This will slide down to euthanasia or the equivalent of it by withholding medical care. An alternative of assisted suicide for the old will be offered.
When 85% are happy with their health insurance, I hope it is political suicide what Democrats are doing. Health Care reform dose need to happen but unlike the liberals jump over the cliff standard solutions, some simple changes would make a big difference. True Health care reform needs to be done, not socializing and destroying it. No single payer ever!
Good health care reform should include-
Choice- We should have freedom to choose among many insurance plans, not just what we are offered by our employer. This way we could choose options and pay different amounts depending on our needs. This would cause competition among insurance companies and lower costs.
Portability- When we move between jobs or states, we should be able to take our insurance with us.
Unemployment protection- part of the insurance should have provision to keep our insurance between jobs and not be so expensive we have to drop it or eat. If we are unemployed so long that it stops then we should be able to start it up again with out waiting period when we find a new job or other income to pay for it.
Retirement provision- take it to our later years when we retire and eliminate Medicare.
Modernization- computerized medical record that we own not the government or insurance companies.
We already pay for those who don’t pay for medical services. Hospitals cannot refuse anyone regardless or ability to pay. This needs some reform and a system to help the truly needy, while not causing a rush to free health care, with a reimbursement system run by private insurance.

Ed Laskie on July 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM

The Obama Administration will nto release budget data until next month….after Congress goes into summer recess.

Originally scheduled for mid-July relase, the most transparent Administration ever has postponed the release of mid-year budget info to the public.

A Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday shows approval of Obama’s handling of health-care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time. The poll also found support eroding on how Obama is dealing with other issues that are important to Americans right now – the economy, unemployment and the swelling budget deficit.

The Democratic-controlled Congress is reeling from last week’s testimony by the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, that the main health care proposals Congress is considering would not reduce costs – as Obama has insisted – but “significantly expand” the federal financial responsibility for health care.

Things that make you go Hmmmm?

coldwarrior on July 20, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Things that make you go Hmmmm?
coldwarrior on July 20, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Things that me make me run out to the shop to check the status of my ammo lockers.

This administration isn’t used to being told “NO” and have been depending on Ogabe’s popularity numbers to get polices rammed through; they will get desperate as things unravel.

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Things that me make me run out to the shop to check the status of my ammo lockers.

This administration isn’t used to being told “NO” and have been depending on Ogabe’s popularity numbers to get polices rammed through; they will get desperate as things unravel.

Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Word.

Jaibones on July 20, 2009 at 8:53 AM

This administration is all smoke and mirrors. If anything needs to be passed in a hurry is the ousting of these theives.

workingforpigs on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

I wonder what kind of payoff Obama gave the AMA for their shilling. The AMA does not represent the majority of health care providers and they certainly don’t represent the public.

rplat on July 20, 2009 at 12:34 PM

How many times do I have to remind you. You can always tell when B. Hussien Obama’s lying. His lips are moving!

TrickyDick on July 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Can we put on a full court press for the early/timely release of the midyear budget numbers??? Is that info not the property and data belonging to the citizens of the USA? We should demand the NOW release of the data. He has NO right to squelch such information. Release it NOW, get it all over the congress, before they go on their vacations. Release it now.

highninside on July 20, 2009 at 4:51 PM