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Finally: Ron Paul kinda sorta comes out as a Truther

posted at 2:44 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Via LGF, which has a transcript. America’s Greatest Patriot has been playing footsie with 9/11 cranks for years, doing interviews with paranoiacs like Alex Jones, stating his support for a new investigation into the attacks, and floating related theories of his own about a war-crazed government willing to attack its own people to further the neocon agenda. The boss, playing off Colbert’s most famous coinage, describes his attitude perfectly as “Trutheriness.” Even so, as far as I know, he’s been careful never to suggest that the real truth about 9/11 is any different from the government’s version — until now. Watch this and judge for yourself, noting the pregnant pause after he’s asked, “Why don’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?” That’s a decidedly different question from asking why he won’t call for a new investigation, implying that he personally believes the “truth” is something other than what we’ve been told. And he does nothing to correct the impression.


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Better hurry, your groups leaving in the white minivan.

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM

No need to hurry, the Hale-Bopp Comet won’t be back for a while.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 3:51 PM

O/T, sorry, but what happened to Loxodonta?

mimi1220 on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Ahh, a boy can still stargaze can’t he? :)

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Ron Paul is anti spending is true but his “Gold Standard” nonsense is so 19th century.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Yeah, because we all know that massive debt is teh 21st century shit!

kagai on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

mimi1220 on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Now that you mention it, I wonder too.

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Besides who said anything about the Hale Bopp comet? They’re looking at a different comet. About the same time Meghan McCain goes sky diving :P

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM

That would be more of a body coming to impact the Earth rather than a comet. Now can we determine if Megan McCain is extraterrestrial in origin?

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Eh, I could take it either way. Although, if he is in fact a truther, wouldn’t you expect that an orchastrated attack on American citizens by the government resulting in 3,000 deaths would be a little more important to “put on his plate” than FED malfeasance?

Regardless of what you think of the man (I’m conflicted myself) you can’t deny that he is a sharp fellow. Perhaps that was simply a dodge.

If he is a truther, however, that’s really disappointing.

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

And yet people whine about how stupid Gov Palin is.

katiejane on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

OK, so he’s not perfect …

ManUFan on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I didnt realize we had so many Gold Standard backers here. I guess it is really SO pretty and shiney that we should base our entire economy on it

/snicker.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM

..as my grandson would say; “That wasn’t very nice”. (but it was funny though)

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Well after all he is in the Murray Rothbard camp of the Libertarian Party, thus an America Hater.

Kermit on July 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Honestly, I’m not sure why conspiracy theorists keep it up. Roswell, Apollo 11 moon landings, 9/11. The NY Times blabs about secret and Top Secret stuff ALL the time! So how in the world is there absolutely NO serious reporting on these conspiracy theories? People can’t keep there mouth shuts on actual secret stuff!

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Eh, I’m bad at jokes. Anyway, so how about this Ron Paul thread?

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Well not really. Although I would like to JUST ONCE have some gold in a pouch on my belt FOR REAL and not just in an RPG.

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

how about this Ron Paul thread?

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

I don’t trust the guy personally but I do enjoy the back and forth that goes on whenever his name is mentioned.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

You can buy gold there is no ban on it. Its just not a good idea to build your economy on it.

The solution to spending too much isnt to limit the economy but rather to reduce spending. Fiscal conservatism is based on limiting government not limiting the economy.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Early on, Something told me he was a conspiracy theorist. Not a blatant one, but one nonetheless.

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM

didnt realize we had so many Gold Standard backers here. I guess it is really SO pretty and shiney that we should base our entire economy on it

/snicker.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I’ll trade you a pound of gold for a pound of silicon, straight up, what do you say?

hip shot on July 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM

I didnt realize we had so many Gold Standard backers here. I guess it is really SO pretty and shiney that we should base our entire economy on it

/snicker.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I’m not a gold standard backer. Fiat money or gold standard it’s all the same to me, since both are systems with inherent advantages and disadvantages. But this quote says it all:

It really knocked me over when I first learned that what holds up the dollar is our trust in the dollar and not any precious metal backing it up.

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM

If the Fed squanders that trust, then you can bet the gold standard will be back as a hot topic.

DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Not a blatant one, but one nonetheless.

FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Given enough time everyone’s true self shine through.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Oh I know that. I was just thinking how cool it would be to have gold as money, like the good old days….you know where there was war, pestilence, etc.?

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Huh. I think he was playing to his audience, personally. I mean, too much controversy? Please, he went into the debates throwing bombs about Iraq policy. That was an answer to appease his crowd.

That doesn’t make it right, but he has a history of this sort of thing. I don’t think he is a racist, though he used racism to increase his political cache and that is despicable too.

Spirit of 1776 on July 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Fiscal conservatism is based on limiting government not limiting the economy.

The reason for getting off the gold standard was to facilitate the massive socialist government spending and borrowing that a gold standard prohibited. If your printed money is backed by something real, and of a finite quantity like a precious metal, you can’t just print money above and beyond what backs it. You have to acquire more wealth in order to spend more money. Basic economcis. Basic common sense. Leaving the gold standard is what started America on the way to bankruptcy.

keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I’m wary of Ron Paul because so many liberal Europeans love him – and a large portion of Euros are Troofers.

If Euros like him, that’s a red flag to me. They love Obama, afte all.

atheling on July 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Ron Paul = foreign policy IDIOT

while some of his fiscal con ideas sound attractive, have his mind leave our borders and his arguments turn to mush

in one of the GOP debates last spring, Ron Paul was whining about the other candidates posturing as hawks re: Iran fishing boats firing towards our Navy

His final line was a shrill screech of “we have the largest Navy on the world and we are afraid of a Fishing boat????

At which point I realized this b-stard apparently slept through December 2000. Gave up on him then and there

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/USS_Cole_damage.jpg

battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 4:26 PM

For the most part, I like what Dr. Paul stands for: constitutionalism. If something isn’t directly given the federal government, they don’t have that right, according to the Bill of Rights. I find this ideal more important now that we are faced with situations that may direct us towards socialism.

As far as this article goes, he is free to believe what he wants, I just hope it doesn’t turn into an obsession and hurt his career.

ConservadorRebelde on July 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM

The reason for getting off the gold standard was to facilitate the massive socialist government spending and borrowing that a gold standard prohibited. If your printed money is backed by something real, and of a finite quantity like a precious metal, you can’t just print money above and beyond what backs it. You have to acquire more wealth in order to spend more money. Basic economcis. Basic common sense. Leaving the gold standard is what started America on the way to bankruptcy.
keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM

oh my goodness… Seriously?

I’m as fiscal con as anybody, but it’s not a great idea to base your financial system (and really the finances of much of the world) in a global economy on precious metals

The ability to print money has been abused, sure, but having money have value “because we say it hasvalue” is a thousand times more realistic and efficient for the 21sy century than saying “well trust us because of Fort Knox”

the gold standard cry is one of the biggest red herings out there for right wingers

totally unnecessary argument

battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 4:32 PM

but having money have value “because we say it hasvalue” is a thousand times more realistic and efficient for the 21sy century than saying “well trust us because of Fort Knox”

HA! That was funny. You believe something has value only because “we” say it should? And that makes more sense than than basing money on something we can actually sell like gold?

Printed money is only a coupon. There has to be stock to cover that coupon. Printing coupons without the stock on the shelves that those coupons represent is tantamount to counterfeiting. But the salient point is that socialism can not exist with a gold standard. The money that the liberals and socialists need to spend to bring about their utopia can only be created by printing coupons on a press.

keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Even Ron Paul’s family doesn’t care what Ron Paul thinks. Why bother covering him?

Speedwagon82 on July 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Paul implies nothing of the sort. Leave it to the Neo blogs to smear Paul with a misleading headline.

Dr. Paul is saying that he doesn’t want to get into the controversy. That doesn’t imply that he believes either side more than the other.

He’s right that there are more important issues such as getting rid of the FED, and the 9/11 issue is a distraction.

The Dean on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Looks like LGF is pissed that so many Representatives have signed onto the FED bill! Great stuff, as always.

The Dean on July 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM

That doesn’t imply that he believes either side more than the other.
The Dean on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Sorry Pal, but this is a yes or no answer, you do believe the conspiracy theory or you don’t.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Zelaya thugs headed for what may be a big confrontation at the Tegucigalpa airport (again) for tmmw.

Check out the Honduras thread.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/18/zelayas-ultimatum/#comment-2444102

elduende on July 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM

The Mayflower was piloted by Mayan aliens using the antediluvian Piri Rees maps!

Ron Paul knows this, but will not let the truth come out!

He’s a larger-than-normal Bellatrax Grey, obviously!

profitsbeard on July 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM

but having money have value “because we say it hasvalue” is a thousand times more realistic and efficient for the 21sy century than saying “well trust us because of Fort Knox”
HA! That was funny. You believe something has value only because “we” say it should? And that makes more sense than than basing money on something we can actually sell like gold?
Printed money is only a coupon. There has to be stock to cover that coupon. Printing coupons without the stock on the shelves that those coupons represent is tantamount to counterfeiting. But the salient point is that socialism can not exist with a gold standard. The money that the liberals and socialists need to spend to bring about their utopia can only be created by printing coupons on a press.
keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Well of course “because we say it should” works!

How much money is in your bank account, savings, checking, etc? And yet, the amount of CASH in your local bank vault is less than 10% of actual deposit. It’s not there. Your account is backed by nothing. You only have money because you TRUST the bank to have your money when you need it. If everyone wanted cash the bank would close a la the 1930s. You believe the banks word so you deposit money there

Take it a step further. Why does the Constitution matter? Because we say it does. Every single facet of life agrees it is the law of the land, supercedong state and local laws that people actually make. There’s no army of the constitution: people obey it because we tell each other it’s a good document to obey. And yet, it’s basically a 220 year old Mayfliwer Compact by white planters and lawyers on the Atlantic Seaboard.

“implied” or “assumed” value works

yes liberals have bankrupted the us with reckless spending (w too), but going back to gold standard us crazy

let me ask you this: what are a few benefits of a brave new gold standard? How so we avoid all the nineteenth century “panics” (1873, 1893, 1837, etc)

battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Sorry Pal, but this is a yes or no answer, you do believe the conspiracy theory or you don’t.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Good luck.

Dean wouldn’t give me a yes or no answer on whether Israel had a right to exist, so clarity isn’t a feature.

Spirit of 1776 on July 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM

O/T, sorry, but what happened to Loxodonta?

mimi1220 on July 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Why do you think that? Is something wrong?

txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Spirit of 1776 on July 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Yes or no answers scare those who will not stand up for their convictions, i.e. the tolerant and the moderate.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Dr. Paul is saying that he doesn’t want to get into the controversy. That doesn’t imply that he believes either side more than the other.

The Dean on July 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM

There is no real ‘controversy’. Anyone who doesn’t just flatly state that the truthers are mental defectives is some degree of….mental defective imo.

Itchee Dryback on July 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM

txag92 on July 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Just haven’t seen him post lately and the twitter account that was in his name is gone. Kind of strange how people disappear. Made me wonder about Entelechy who used to post some wonderful stuff. *sign* change.

mimi1220 on July 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM

I don’t think we should go to a gold standard either, my point is that the system we have now is just as inadequate. Unfortunately, even if Republicans were in control, no one in government is really interested in ending deficit spending.

Why no one in the mainstream thinks it’s horrific that we have such a huge deficit and owe so much money to foreign powers is beyond me. That is the more important than health care and cap and trade times 10. The government is just running us straight into the ground and the public either doesn’t understand or care.

kagai on July 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Well, at least she’s an attractive crazy person.

Jim Treacher on July 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Truthers and Birthers…they’re all one french fry short of a happy meal.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Ron Paul is the living breathing walking talking epitome of “Sometimes You Feel Like A Nut/Sometimes You Don’t…”

pilamaye on July 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Proof that ron paul is a complete coward, as is everyone else who is a truther because they are too afraid to deal with/research the beast that they do not understand… islam.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Truthers and Birthers…they’re all one french fry short of a happy meal.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Did this ignoramus just lump in people suspicious of obama’s birth with truthers? Well, at least we have ONE Msnbc regular here.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM

So how in the world is there absolutely NO serious reporting on these conspiracy theories? People can’t keep there mouth shuts on actual secret stuff!

Awfully darn good shootin’ from that grassy knoll…

guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Trutherism=Holocaust Denial

Both deserve absoute scorn.

Buckley purged the Burchers, let’s purge the truthers.

thebrokenrattle on July 18, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Wait a second. He didn’t respond in any way to the substance of 9/11 trutherism…he was just taken aback by her cheap “gotcha” tactic and was trying to disengage without being offensive to a pretty girl.

Give me a break.

Full disclosure: I’ve contributed to Ron Paul for about 20 years. I still think he has the best grasp of economics of anyone in the Congress.

It’s unfortunate that he became surrounded by a lot of nutcakes during the 2008 primaries. But any guy who has never voted for a tax increase gets some slack, as far as I’m concerned.

guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Did this ignoramus just lump in people suspicious of obama’s birth with truthers? Well, at least we have ONE Msnbc regular here.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Most conservatives do not believe the Birther silliness either. A few fruitloops in the party does not make it the consensus.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Proof that ron paul is a complete coward, as is everyone else who is a truther because they are too afraid to deal with/research the beast that they do not understand… islam.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Exactly!

Um, guys? The bad guys are that way.

thebrokenrattle on July 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM

didnt realize we had so many Gold Standard backers here. I guess it is really SO pretty and shiney that we should base our entire economy on it

Without a thorough grasp on how your monetary system works, gaining momentum in 2010, then defeating Goldman Sack-O-sh|t in 2012 will be difficult. At that point, that Bldg 7 was a free-fall demolition, will be the least of your problems during the inevitable era of secession.

13blackcats on July 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Um, guys? The bad guys are that way.

thebrokenrattle on July 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Nah, we seem to have much more fun with the internecine tussling. Palinacs against Romneyites. Pro-life against states righters. Conservative vs moderate. Culture cons vs fiscal cons. Everybody imaginable against Ron Paul.

Grrrrrr…makes us feel effectual.

guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Anyone that’s goofy enough to believe that some bad people crashed some planes just because they hate our freedom, will believe anything, provided it comes from certain people.

I don’t believe Cheney picked up the phone and ordered 911 like the rest of us order a pizza, either. But, the truth of what, how and why is still out there about 911.

Moesart on July 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Most conservatives do not believe the Birther silliness either. A few fruitloops in the party does not make it the consensus.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM

When Lefties conceal documents, there’s a reason. Kerry’s war records. Chris Dodd’s mortgage records. Ogabe’s academic records. Michelle’s senior thesis. Tapes showing the Ogabe family in the pews at Jeremiah Wright’s church.

If there’s a complete, definitive birth certificate, why just cough it up. Case closed.

How hard could it be?

guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM

the truth of what, how and why is still out there about 911.

Moesart on July 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM

We should place a call to Agents Mulder and Scully ASAP.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM

We should place a call to Agents Mulder and Scully ASAP.

thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM

No, this one requires the real pro’s. Call in the Church of Scientology.

guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Shoulda ignored this if for no other reason that it involves LGF.

Akzed on July 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I didnt realize we had so many Gold Standard backers here. I guess it is really SO pretty and shiney that we should base our entire economy on it

If the government can’t print it, they can’t spend it. Commodity-backed currency is the only true way to “starve the beast”.

The Dean on July 18, 2009 at 5:30 PM

When Lefties conceal documents, there’s a reason. Kerry’s war records. Chris Dodd’s mortgage records. Ogabe’s academic records. Michelle’s senior thesis. Tapes showing the Ogabe family in the pews at Jeremiah Wright’s church.

If there’s a complete, definitive birth certificate, why just cough it up. Case closed.

How hard could it be?

guntotinglibertarian on July 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Sorry, its just as loony as suspicion of Bush, 9/11 and a long list of other things.

Fruit. Loops. That’s why only a small tiny fraction of the party are riding the crazy train. *shrug*

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Charles Johnson has a lot of nerve calling other people loons…

Lehosh on July 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM

test

Alexey on July 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM

The trouble with ron paul is one min. he makes good sense then a min latter he sound like the crazy uncle in the attic.

thmcbb on July 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Sorry, its just as loony as suspicion of Bush, 9/11 and a long list of other things.

Fruit. Loops. That’s why only a small tiny fraction of the party are riding the crazy train. *shrug*

Wow, what are you smoking and where can I get some? A suspicion that Bush and Cheney organized a greatest conspiracy ever, involving numerous operatives, to mass-murder thousands of Americans by flying planes into WTC, Pentagon and Capitol is as loony as suspicion that Obama is not releasing his BC because he wasn’t born in US? Is it as loony as simply noting (without any strong belief that he is a foreign born) his disregard for Constitution by not releasing long form BC? Talk about fruits and loops.

Alexey on July 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Charles Johnson has a lot of nerve calling other people loons…

Lehosh on July 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Like me, he’s a conservative who refuses to hop aboard the crazy train.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM

The trouble with ron paul is one min. he makes good sense then a min latter he sound like the crazy uncle in the attic.

He is not crazy. Obviously he is playing with troofers because their talking points coincide with his anti Iraq and Afghanistan stance. He is just a jackass. And a dunb one since this crap may impact his career.

Alexey on July 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Most conservatives do not believe the Birther silliness either. A few fruitloops in the party does not make it the consensus.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM

People like beekiller are more interested in not appearing fruity to people like keith olbermann than they are caring about what is true.

Beekiller, take it from me, you’re an a-1 doofus.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Like me, he’s a conservative who refuses to hop aboard the crazy train.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM

But you’re a doofus, so I wouldn’t exactly be bragging about the position you are in.

Obama’s grandmother is STILL saying she was there when he was born in Kenya, Obama is STILL saying that he was born at two different hospitals in Hawaii.

But of course, beekiller probably thinks all the people in the military who are refusing to be deployed because of obama and his birth are stupid too, don’t want to be fruity like them, do you a-1?

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM

And just when I was starting to believe he might not be the nut I always thought he was!

Hobbes on July 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM

beekiller is a good example of the type of “conservative” that wants to be considered rational in the eye of a liberal. He doesn’t have any proof to contradict the suspicion that obama is not a natural born citizen, instead he just writes off those who wonder about it as “stupid” in order to paint them as loonie.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Like me, he’s a conservative who refuses to hop aboard the crazy train.

Dude, even Johnson is not that crazy to consider himself a conservative.

Alexey on July 18, 2009 at 6:07 PM

But, the truth of what, how and why is still out there about 911.

Moesart on July 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Thats nuts.
What do you have doubts about?

Itchee Dryback on July 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Leaving the gold standard is what started America on the way to bankruptcy.

Baloney. If the gold standard only applied to government spending you could make a small valid point. But the entire economy of a nation isnt government spending (Unless your communist)

Fiscal conservativism is about limiting government spending. We dont want to fetter private spending and that is exactly what the Gold Standard would do to PRIVATE saving and investments.

Really does libertarian thinking exist in a vacumn ? You CANT change one aspect of an economy without effecting ALL aspects of it. And its damn stupid to stick our economy with a precious metals limit that restricts the economy too much.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I didnt realize we had so many Gold Standard backers here. I guess it is really SO pretty and shiney that we should base our entire economy on it

/snicker.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Money is just a medium of exchange. It’s content is irrelvant to the pace of economic growth (America’s GDP increased more than five-fold in real terms between 1860 and 1900). The purpose of a “gold standard” is to prevent governments from arbitrarily expanding the money supply to achieve political goals and finance deficit spending. The backing doesn’t necessarily have to come from gold but could be anything of tangible/lasting value. The emphasis is on the “standard” part, not the “gold” part.

I find it strange that so many “fiscal conservatives” rage about big government while ignoring the role of fiat currency in enabling this expansion. Inflation is just taxation by another name. It diminishes the value of every citizen’s income while redistributing it to favored groups (the US govt, debtors, those earning flexible incomes) at the expense of others (savers, creditors, fixed income earners).

I’m not a big fan of the gold standard movement for the simple fact that it’s not politically realistic. However, their basic underlying argument is sound and has nothing to do with the “shinyness” or “prettiness” of the metal.

Ponz on July 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM

beekiller is a good example of the type of “conservative” that wants to be considered rational in the eye of a liberal. He doesn’t have any proof to contradict the suspicion that obama is not a natural born citizen, instead he just writes off those who wonder about it as “stupid” in order to paint them as loonie.

TTheoLogan on July 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM

I’m a good example of someone who is too intelligent to buy into anything WND and Stormfront believes in. ;)

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM

What would an oz. of gold have to be worth in order to have the entire economy based on it?

Itchee Dryback on July 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Baloney. If the gold standard only applied to government spending you could make a small valid point. But the entire economy of a nation isnt government spending (Unless your communist)

You don’t get it. The gold standard prevents government spending beyond the aggregate wealth of the nation. It does nothing to limit the spending of the individual, unless the individual wants to spend money he/she doesn’t have.

keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Its such a tragedy that a brilliant man like Ron Paul has allowed himself to be pulled into this. Not to mention his connections with holocaust denying groups:

http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/77711671-de32-47da-a721-8f606d586ad0

Again, such a tragedy because at times like these we really need smart, bold people like Paul. But he’s allowed himself to become conataminated. DD

Darvin Dowdy on July 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM

To those of us from this part of Texas, Ron Paul (Fruitloop, TX) is a known quantity.

When he decided to be a “conservative” for his presidential campaign, he was sailing under false colors. Which is to day, “He lied”. He has self-identified as a libertarian for decades.

He is known for telling people what they want to hear. This clip is one example of thousands.

Ragspierre on July 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I’m a good example of someone who is too intelligent to buy into anything WND and Stormfront believes in. ;)

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM

What’s WND? And Stormfront? Why would any conservative be interested in what wannabe National Socialists have to say?

forest on July 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM

You don’t get it. The gold standard prevents government spending beyond the aggregate wealth of the nation.

The wealth of a nation LIMITED by how much gold it has. You keep glossing over that point. You seem to think fixing the economy to a set limit and leaving it there is a solution. How is limiting the economy a benefit ?

Say a corporation wants to buy a new airplane or any other good. It has a limited amount of money availible because the government cant print more and gold is now limited because it must be stored in vaults to prevent a nations economy from devauling because it no longer has the gold it needs to cover its money supply.

What can said company do ? If the money supply is limited then it cant buy new goods or services and cant expand because it cant get access to the funds it needs to buy what it needs.

I understand about the worry of government spending. But the idea that if you limit the government that everything else stays the same is really bad wishful thinking.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Ridiculous!

1. Picture yourself as a politician, seriously
2. Picture being asked a relevant question.
3. Picture then same person asking an irrelevant question.

You going to be diplomatic, hoping they might help with the relevant issue, or burn them because of their second question…

I am no Ron Paul fan, but I would have handled this EXACTLY the same way Ron Paul did. And no, I am not a truther!

You guys at Hot Air can’t find enough real news out there?

Danzo on July 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Yeah really. It must be a slow news year.

I have to say it’s a bit odd to see so many going off in a two-minutes Paulhate session without thinking twice, considering it’s an LGF-inspired thread.

My first thought, after realizing this was more hatebait than news, was amusement that HotAir just accidentally reported about auditing the Fed in a way the NY Times would applaud.

econavenger on July 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM

I prefered Bruno’s interview.

RobCon on July 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM

What’s WND? And Stormfront? Why would any conservative be interested in what wannabe National Socialists have to say?

forest on July 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM

WND I believe is world net daily its a conservative net news site that tends to run a little loose with the truth.

Stormfront is a neo nazi website that strongly backs white supremicists and the bilderbung/Trilaterial nonsense as being another “jewish” conspiracy.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Forget Paulnauts - you’re still linking to Big Purple Baseballs?!

corona on July 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM

How so we avoid all the nineteenth century “panics” (1873, 1893, 1837, etc)

battleoflepanto1571 on July 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Outlaw fractional reserve banking.

single stack on July 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM

This is less than it sounds,
tho RP is still a nutjob in my view.

Dude is guilty of not forcefully repudiating the conspiracy nut to his face, but i cant swear on a stack of bibles that this exchange is evidence of full-on RP troofer status.
He very probably is in at least of few things, but…

What he should have done was smack the dude asking the question or said nothing at all and shoved his way past.

Mike D. on July 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM

How much money is in your bank account, savings, checking, etc? And yet, the amount of CASH in your local bank vault is less than 10% of actual deposit. It’s not there. Your account is backed by nothing.

That’s not an argument, that’s an observation. If my bank fails, the CDIC, or the FDIC in your country, is the insurer. So my money is supposed to be backed. In needs to be backed. The government should not be insuring deposits that it can’t back, any more than a bookie should take bets he can’t cover. The fact that they do it is not an argument for doing it. We can see what happens. And that is what they are doing. Wealth is created by work not by a printing press printing coupons. When those coupons are issued when they are not backed by anything that can be sold to cover them, then the bookie has taken a bet he can’t cover so when it comes time to pay out, he is screwed.

But that is not the worst of it. The worst is when said government issues those worthless coupons which people then use to buy real stuff. How is it paid for? What happens then?

keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM

We dont want to fetter private spending and that is exactly what the Gold Standard would do to PRIVATE saving and investments.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM

You are confusing “money” with “spending power”. If the Fed prints one trillion additional dollars and doles out $1000 each to private individuals, this has no impact on their actual ability to acquire goods. The greater money supply is merely reflected in higher prices for goods and services. If money were the source of real wealth, Zimbabwe would be the world’s most prosperous country.

Ponz on July 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM

WND I believe is world net daily its a conservative net news site that tends to run a little loose with the truth.

Stormfront is a neo nazi website that strongly backs white supremicists and the bilderbung/Trilaterial nonsense as being another “jewish” conspiracy.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Thanks on the WND. I remember reading some articles on the site that seemed pretty dubious.

forest on July 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM

What’s WND? And Stormfront? Why would any conservative be interested in what wannabe National Socialists have to say?

forest on July 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Um their idea of Socialists isn’t the same as what you mean by Socialists. There’s a difference between National Socialists and Socialists.

Read their site if you can stomach it. You’ll be surprised to find you disagree less than you think….if you’re a Truther or Birther.

beekiller on July 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Substitute any other item for gold and see if it works. Does anyone think that if our economy was based on the Pig standard or the Auto standard or the Steel standard makes for a good economy ?

These are all finite things that any other nation can mass produce (as is gold. It also can be mass produced.)

If we based world economy on Gold then we are handing Russia a massive gift as they have an abundance of gold they can mine or mint.

Its utterly stupid to base the economy on something our enemies can take advantage of.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM

The wealth of a nation LIMITED by how much gold it has. You keep glossing over that point. You seem to think fixing the economy to a set limit and leaving it there is a solution. How is limiting the economy a benefit ?

It doesn’t have to be gold. It has to be anything that is real that can be sold. Unless the world runs out of real stuff, it is not a problem. Printed money is just a representation of wealth. It is just a coupon that the government issues. Real stores are prohibited by law from distributing coupons for goods if they don’t have the actual goods to cover the coupons. If you print money coupons without having it represent anything real, you are basically counterfeiting your own currency. Worse, it is then used as a crutch to buy things that nobody can afford.

keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM

What can said company do ? If the money supply is limited then it cant buy new goods or services and cant expand because it cant get access to the funds it needs to buy what it needs.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Yes they can. One merely allows prices to adjust downwards to reflect the increased supply of goods and services.

I suggest you look up the difference between “real” and “nominal”.

Ponz on July 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM

If we based world economy on Gold then we are handing Russia a massive gift as they have an abundance of gold they can mine or mint.

Any country that has natural resources has wealth. Just as the arabs have oil. There is nothing new there. That is how the world works.

keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 6:43 PM

You are confusing “money” with “spending power”.

And your confusing Gold with wealth.

Ultimately what defines wealth ? Is it how much gold you have or how many cows you have or how much land you have ?

By linking our “purchasing power” to a gold standard you are limiting wealth not making it.

Again you want to only focus on GOVERNMENT spending and again show me one country where the government buys and spends all the money ?

How can I if I wanted to create my own business get the funds that I need to buy what I want if there is a limited ammount of funds to get what I need ? Or are you arguing that a bank IOU based on a note from the govrenment bases on the availibility of gold is really a good idea ?

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Yes they can. One merely allows prices to adjust downwards to reflect the increased supply of goods and services.

I suggest you look up the difference between “real” and “nominal”.

Ponz on July 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM

And I suggest you read about robber barons and monopoly.

William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 6:45 PM

maybe context is everything, but i think there’s various interpretations of this.

Maybe he thinks that the truth that should be investigated is the Clintonistas building walls. How about Sandy Berger…that’s a truth i’d like to see. How about the CIA failures…how about Moynihan’s thought that the CIA should be abolished because they’re incompetent? How about the CIA war on Bush?

I don’t know, there’s a lot I’d like to see hearings on…and it has nothing to do with with the truther fruitcakes.

r keller on July 18, 2009 at 6:47 PM

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