Finally: Ron Paul kinda sorta comes out as a Truther
posted at 2:44 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Via LGF, which has a transcript. America’s Greatest Patriot has been playing footsie with 9/11 cranks for years, doing interviews with paranoiacs like Alex Jones, stating his support for a new investigation into the attacks, and floating related theories of his own about a war-crazed government willing to attack its own people to further the neocon agenda. The boss, playing off Colbert’s most famous coinage, describes his attitude perfectly as “Trutheriness.” Even so, as far as I know, he’s been careful never to suggest that the real truth about 9/11 is any different from the government’s version — until now. Watch this and judge for yourself, noting the pregnant pause after he’s asked, “Why don’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?” That’s a decidedly different question from asking why he won’t call for a new investigation, implying that he personally believes the “truth” is something other than what we’ve been told. And he does nothing to correct the impression.
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surprise! Anyway the media doesn’t need him anymore as a spoiler for the republican nomination process, until 2011 that is!
rob verdi on July 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM
The Marshall Applewhite of American politics.
Pasalubong on July 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Oh, fine…let me be the first to say it…
Ron Paul 2012!
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LiquidH2O on July 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Fixed it for ya!
jgapinoy on July 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Thank goodness he wasn’t elected President because I suspect he would not be able to handle too much.
CWforFreedom on July 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Stormfront’s ultimate presidentual candidate.
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM
FIFY
CWforFreedom on July 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM
It’s a sign of desperation for Ron Paul. I don’t think he’s really stupid enough to be a twoofer.
Go RBNY on July 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM
From LGF
Trying to paint all GOP members with the same brush as being like RP because they cosponsored one bill of his? Can everyone just finally admit that LGF has far more in common with liberal sites then conservative sites?
DethMetalCookieMonst on July 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Was there ever any doubt? He’s a leftover Bircher paleocon who is a regular interviewee on the Alex Jones show.
MadisonConservative on July 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Ron is the GOP’s america blamer extrodinare.
He is the 2009 version of Charles Lindbergh
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Exactly! He knows where his bread and butter come from.
I personally refuse to vote for someone who caters to truthers.
DethMetalCookieMonst on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Never took him seriously to begin with.
But as they say in my hometown, Dime con quién andas y te dire quién eres.
newton on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Say what you will, but Paul makes more sense about the economy that most of the mainstream schmooks in the political world.
rickyricardo on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Good Lord.
toliver on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Here’s a great photo of Ron Paul at a recent congressional hearing on the “truth” about 9/11.
The Race Card on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Oh I believe he can be that stupid. In fact I look hard to find any sign of intelligence in Ron Pual.
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Please promote this to the main page quickly, so we can all watch the Paulists explode!
massrighty on July 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM
The answer about the IMF made perfect sense.
But to claim he believes in Trutherism, but he’s just a little bit “too busy” to do anything about the US government mass-murdering American citizens? Of all the crazy things he’s ever said, that’s actually the craziest.
I know I made fun of all the idiots who supported Ron Paul in 2008 – and with perfectly good reason – but the REALLY crazy thing is that if things keep going the way they are we might end up with someone in the Whitehouse in 2012 who’s even more of a raving lunatic than Paul. And be damned glad to have him.
logis on July 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Id say he is more than able to coner the market in Gold Kugeerans.
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM
i knew it!
i am down with auditing the fed, but RP is a complete crank oh-so-many other ways.
he needs to be exposed and ridiculed as much as possible from now on, to keep him from messing with a GOP win in ‘12.
homesickamerican on July 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I’m disappointed to hear everyone ripping on Ron Paul. I would certainly hope in this forum that if it were McCain, Obama, or Paul, that the overwhelming support would be for Paul. He practices more fiscal conservatism than any of the other jokers we had running for president. I’d be happy with a Paul/Palin ticket.
stranglin on July 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM
umm he’s a free trader :/
Libertarian Joseph on July 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM
I can see Dennis Kucinich going “Damn that man is CRAZY”
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Again, keep him away from foreign policy, and he’s an asset. As soon as he opens his mouth about isolationism/non-interventionism, run for the hills.
MadisonConservative on July 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Ron Paul is anti spending is true but his “Gold Standard” nonsense is so 19th century.
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Ron Paul for Treasury Secretary 2012!
ZJPolitical on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Aren’t you an Obambi supporter?
Libertarian Joseph on July 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Just as soon as Paul starts to gain some credibility on the Fed, he goes and blows it by reminding everyone what a kook he really is. Geez. One step forward, three steps back.
Redhead Infidel on July 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Before anyone jumps on it; I’d like to withdraw my earlier comment, as it was dumb.
I didn’t check first, and thought this was a green room post.
massrighty on July 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Aaarrrrgghhh!
My bad!
I meant isolationist. Mental fart.
jgapinoy on July 18, 2009 at 3:03 PM
It’s something that permeates the paleocon psyche: the refusal to acknowledge that the world is a far different place than it was 200 years ago, and so not all of the observations of the founding fathers regarding foreign powers still apply.
MadisonConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:03 PM
So true, so very true. I love that saying. I’m also a believer in el corazon no se mande.
LiquidH2O on July 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM
What’s wrong with a currency backed by something? It limits the amount the government can spend.
Libertarian Joseph on July 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I’ll admit that.
katy on July 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I will say this about Ron Paul. When he was up there debating all of those Republicans, he made the most sense about the state of our economy. And I applaud his move to audit the Fed.
Now, I completely disagree with him about foreign affairs, but he had the good sense to choose Peter Schiff as his economic adviser.
That said, it’s obvious he didn’t stand a chance of winning the nomination, but he was a thorn in their sides and that was fun to watch.
yogi41 on July 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM
AP, you’re reading too much into this video. Your projecting and hoping that Paul just yells out that 911 was an inside job like that idiot AJ. Your hopes are dashed.
He simply stated he isn’t bringing it up to avoid controversy either way. Whether he believes it or not, who the hell cares.
True_King on July 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Whoops – should read Federal Reserve.
yogi41 on July 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Ridiculous!
1. Picture yourself as a politician, seriously
2. Picture being asked a relevant question.
3. Picture then same person asking an irrelevant question.
You going to be diplomatic, hoping they might help with the relevant issue, or burn them because of their second question…
I am no Ron Paul fan, but I would have handled this EXACTLY the same way Ron Paul did. And no, I am not a truther!
You guys at Hot Air can’t find enough real news out there?
Danzo on July 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM
What the hell have you been smoking? I’m a navy vet who’s registered republican, conservative, and who’s a big fan of Palin.
DethMetalCookieMonst on July 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I quit LGF a long time ago, after I realized that he was a liberal who decided something had to be done after 9/11 but didn’t like any of the options. Johnson has done some fine things in support of the cause, but I don’t share many of his positions. I would say that AP is actually Johnson expect the coding on this site is dated, and Johnson would never have that. He runs a very tight ship feature wise.
DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Consider the fact that some countries have much higher gold supplies than the US. Hell South Africa would be one very rich country based on that standard.
Economies need to be based on a standard that creates growth. Gold is not a metal that has any other value rather than ostentation. Why base an entire economy on that ? Heck the silicon chip is more valuable today than gold. Oil is more valuable than gold. Gold has lost its luster a long time ago.
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Ron Paul reminds me of Pat Buchanan. They’re right on a few issues, completely wrong on others, and have zero chance ever of holding national office.
But I loved it when Buchanan referred to Obama as ‘the avatar for abortion.’
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM
He confused you with deathtomediahacks, just as I do when I skim.
DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Its a sham. Republicans could use a good dose of Ron Paul. The guy has passion and boldness when he speaks on the constitution and speaks well.
Here is where he just goes so off. This is just so sad.
JellyToast on July 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Paul reminds me of the mindset that prevailed among Wendell Willkie’s followers in the 1940 election against FDR. As much as I despise FDR for his domestic agenda he did have the foresight to see the Nazi threat for what it was and rejected American Isolationism that Republican’s overwhelmingly sought (of course neither one of the modern parties mirror their 1940’s namesakes).
Congressman Paul would have us stick our heads in the sand and live by the outdated world view that if we don’t bother anyone we’ll be left alone. That concept, while in a perfect world would be ideal, is far too often a major plank in the Libertarian platform and one of the major reasons last year, that after 13 years of being a declared Libertarian, I changed my registration to Republican and voted in the primary.
smfoushee on July 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I remember that Moby.
DethMetalCookieMonst on July 18, 2009 at 3:12 PM
You think? I actually agreed with AP’s take (…I can’t believe I just typed that). Either Ron Paul really believes that stuff, or he’s “playing to his audience” by making it seem like he believes it. Either way, I think he’s (Paul) wrong.
LiquidH2O on July 18, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Everything has it’s time, and everything’s time comes round again. If the Fed starts to print money in the amounts that some people are predicting there will be a strong movement in favor of moving back to the gold standard.
DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 3:13 PM
I sincerely hope that didn’t mean what it sounded like. He makes a lot of sense on economic stuff, but I do think he’s way off base on foreign policy. If he’s a Truther, well then, that’s just too much.
CP on July 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM
If he had the foresight you speak of, he did next to nothing about it. We got caught woefully unprepared.
But I like your point about the Republicans then being isolationists, and it being a bad idea.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Thanks for your service, shipmate.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM
I think he got you mixed up with the now deceased… DeathToMediaHacks…
katy on July 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM
First laugh of the day.
betsyz on July 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Deceased? Did AP break out the ban hammer, or is he actually deceased?
DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Why not just ask him directly if he thinks Bush had anything to do with the attacks? Isn’t that what the truthers think?
I doubt the official Jamie Gorelick 9/11 Commission version of the truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I think Curt Weldon would say the same.
Buddahpundit on July 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM
That’s an interesting question because “death” could mean a corporeal death or a comment thread ban.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM
That’s actually the first time I’ve heard Ron Paul say something stupid.
It makes no sense either way. If he just wants an investigation then he should have said “I don’t know what the whole truth is but I just want a full investigation.”
If he believes 911 was an inside job than he can’t say there are too many other things on his plate – it would be top priority every day, particularly for a Congressman.
All in all I think me must have misheard her question in all the noise and thought she was just asking about why he wasn’t still pushing for an investigation and full release of the facts.
Gaunilon on July 18, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Sorry, that was for DFCtomm @ July 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:20 PM
I quit LGF, too. Actually, I got banned. For disagreeing. Respectfully. So, yeah, he’s got a lot more in common with the intolerant left than anyone on the right. And his contention that Ron Paul is rising in influence in the GOP is just plain silly. I laugh at Ron Paul. And I laugh at LGF, too. They’re both equally delusional.
Rational Thought on July 18, 2009 at 3:20 PM
uh… defunked may have been a better term… ;(
katy on July 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM
It’s what I keep trying to tell all the liberaltarians: There’s a whole ‘nother party out there. Please, for the love of God PLEASE, do what you’re always threatening to do: “Abandon” us; bring your tough love to the Democrats, and try to harass them into giving up on that silly little Communism bugaboo of theirs.
If liberaltarians want my support – no problem. Put Ron Paul in a Democrat primary, and I’ll stuff more ballot boxes then ACORN ever dreamed of.
logis on July 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Say what you want, but his speech at CPAC this year was awe inspiring.
BPD on July 18, 2009 at 3:23 PM
I think Ron Paul supporters are more on the fringe than Nader supporters are. Both are die-hards who support someone who has NO chance of winning, but Ron Paul has an even less chance of winning than Nader. Also it would be ridiculous to accuse RP of stealing votes away from McCain. I think McCain stole all of those votes away from himself.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:23 PM
People like Alex Jones & Ron Paul should have to pay a special 5.7% moron tax.
fusionaddict on July 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Let me get my Nikes.
Lanceman on July 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM
libertarians seem to be the red-headed stepchild of the political world. They are conservative technically, but they don’t seem to actually fit into the Repub party. Then again, who here fits into the Repub party as defined by the last 4 years? They were fiscally responsible….once.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Why was there such a decent looking chick asking that question? I’m pretty sure Truthers are all pale nerds who live in their mothers’ basements. She must have been paid.
RightWinged on July 18, 2009 at 3:26 PM
oy… He’s been out in that hot Texas sun too long.
tru2tx on July 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Ditto!
Charles Johnson has lost it.
Knucklehead on July 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Ditto. He’s great on fiscal policy. But he’s living in another century if he thinks we can retreat behind our borders and ignore the rest of the world.
Did anyone notice how he seemed to pause and look around him before he answered the truther question. I think he was looking for cameras. It looks as if this was filmed on some little camera phone.
We caught him in an unguarded moment. I think it’s clear that he’s a 9/11 truther. Seriously creepy.
ramrocks on July 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Well you do find attractive women playing magic the Gathering and D&D, although it is VERY rare. (Trust me on this.) So it is not outside the possibility that this women is part of the movement of delusion.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Good, then it’s ok to rag on the troll.
DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM
More shocking news: Michael Jackson was gay, Rosie O’Donnell is obese, and Henry Waxman looks like a rat. Who’d have ever suspected?
hicsuget on July 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM
He actually struck me as this sort of person. No surprise from me.
FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Don’t forget the track suits too. :o)
FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Yes, it’s a classic LGF ad hominem argument. Goes like this: Ron Paul is out of his mind with probable 9/11 trutherism, therefore, every other thing he does must be kooky too, and anyone who associates with him may be a kook – especially right wingers. Never mind that the Fed actually needs to be investigated, let’s just smear the Republican House members for agreeing with Ron Paul on that account because Paul is a kook.
That’s why I don’t visit that site anymore – faulty reasoning.
forest on July 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Ron Paul/Alex jones kissing fest
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Some things are just not self-evident. I would have never guessed myself. (/sarc)
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM
And my roll of quarters.
Lanceman on July 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Leave economics to us economists, please. You both sound silly. (Or better yet, study economics yourselves. No harm can come from that.)
hicsuget on July 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Liberaltarians are incapable of getting along with ANYONE. They’re basically moonbats who’ve been cursed with a remedial understanding of arithmetic. Trying to appease the congenitally unappeaseable is political suicide.
Giving up on the Republican Party would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It’s currently led by its ultra-left wing – and that is an abomination that would never have happened in a sane world. But limiting the options for the future to either John McCain or Ron Paul makes no more sense than any of those “false choices” Obama keeps offering us.
logis on July 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM
So there was no growth in the 3000 or so years that gold was the standard?
So there was no growth in the US prior to 1971?
Not an endorsement here, because I’m FAR from an expert.
http://www.kitco.com/ind/fekete/jul062009.html
but interesting reading about having a standard outside of gvmnt control keeps the gvmnt from simply printing or inflating it’s way out of spending.
Partisan on July 18, 2009 at 3:36 PM
loon
Terrye on July 18, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Partisan;
Politicians used to decide the cost of gold. It was not some divine revelation or something. In fact we had a gold standard in 1929. We had a gold standard through numerous panics in the 19th century.
Terrye on July 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM
The mask came off a long time ago — CJ ciphers comments, controls thought, bans any dissenters, and always broad brushes those with whom he disagrees.
Exactly who’s the extremist kook here, Charles?
Btw, Ron Paul has no real influence among traditional conservatives.
Richard Romano on July 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Paul doesn’t love the gold standard, it’s just a system, he hates the Fed. Gold isn’t about growth. It’s about security. You tie the dollar to a gold standard and the Fed can’t go out and print money willy nilly. Quantitative easing has already began, and if it gets out of hand then you can expect a reaction, and that reaction will be a demand for the gold standard.
DFCtomm on July 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM
What’s truly pathetic about that site is that he refuses to apply the same standard to himself. That he’s now being lauded by such leftist fools like Andrew Sullivan (an extremist, conspiracy-mongering nut if there ever was one) tells you all you need to know.
Richard Romano on July 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Fantastic.
Mommypundit on July 18, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I agree with you. I didn’t exactly want McCain as president. I voted for someone else. I voted for McCain because the prospect of Obama as president didn’t sit to well with me….it still doesn’t.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Better hurry, your groups leaving in the white minivan.
FontanaConservative on July 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Ron Paul is anti spending is true but his “Gold Standard” nonsense is so 19th century.
William Amos on July 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m not a Paul backer, but your comment is just stupid. Based on that perspective, we should dump that silly old Constitution… I mean, it’s so *18th* century…
fabrexe on July 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I’m about to eat pizza for breakfast, then I’ll have a “movement” of equal importance.
RightWinged on July 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM
The Gold Standard is a little different than the Constitution. I’m not an economist so I can’t say if our current system is better than the gold standard, but it does make me queasy that the Fed can print as much money as it wants and therefore effect the value of the dollar. With Gold backing up our money, we couldn’t do that. It really knocked me over when I first learned that what holds up the dollar is our trust in the dollar and not any precious metal backing it up.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM
As far as LGF goes. Stopped reading once the focus became Creationism and Right Wing activities in Europe. The blowup w/ Michele Malkin a few months ago revealed that Charles Johnson needs to get out of his echo chamber now and then. I hope he’s well, because his blog served an invaluable function for months/years after September 11th. Some of the greatest blogs posts I’ve ever read were on that site.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/26/218375
I once read through the archives before during and after September 11, you can almost see and feel the scales falling from the eyes of many liberals during those few months (including mine). As someone else said Charles is/was a liberal that is returning to form.
Can hardly blame him.
He lives in Los Angeles, would you want to go through life friendless and hated by those around you?
Partisan on July 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM
In the immortal words of Andrew Dice Clay, “Some people are just painfully f’ing dumb.” Obambi should make Ron Paul the new Stupidity Czar.
Percy_Peabody on July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
If he runs afoul of LGF, he gets my vote. I’m willing to forgive his catering to truthers, because he is the only politician who actually understands the conservative principles that built the republic.
keep the change on July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Pizza….yum.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Well I was on a college campus for the last 4 years. It was rough, but I had some conservative buddies who helped me through.
Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Partisan on July 18, 2009 at 3:51 PM
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