Finally: Ron Paul kinda sorta comes out as a Truther

posted at 2:44 pm on July 18, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via LGF, which has a transcript. America’s Greatest Patriot has been playing footsie with 9/11 cranks for years, doing interviews with paranoiacs like Alex Jones, stating his support for a new investigation into the attacks, and floating related theories of his own about a war-crazed government willing to attack its own people to further the neocon agenda. The boss, playing off Colbert’s most famous coinage, describes his attitude perfectly as “Trutheriness.” Even so, as far as I know, he’s been careful never to suggest that the real truth about 9/11 is any different from the government’s version — until now. Watch this and judge for yourself, noting the pregnant pause after he’s asked, “Why don’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?” That’s a decidedly different question from asking why he won’t call for a new investigation, implying that he personally believes the “truth” is something other than what we’ve been told. And he does nothing to correct the impression.

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Beyond this, I am making rubble bounce. Which is fun, but a waste of time.

The proper definition of inflation is an increase in

the money supply (printing and credit combined), not “higher prices.”

then, in the same post

If all the money in the world bought all the goods in the world, and you doubled the money supply, then all the goods in the world would cost twice as much. That’s inflation.

Fed Up is an idiot.

Ragspierre on July 19, 2009 at 4:40 PM

This is my last post explaining things to you.

You think that higher prices alone is what causes inflation. You posted that whether it was “gold or sea shells” as the monetary unit.

I point out that an “doubling of the money supply” is the CAUSE of increased prices. Increased prices alone is NOT inflation…got it?

Fed Up on July 19, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Done with this tread…and Ragspierre who never did address the historic accounting of the “aluminum” and “dry-wall” standards….

And I’m tired of your childlike, condescending attitude.

Fed Up on July 19, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Done with this tread…and Ragspierre who never did address the historic accounting of the “aluminum” and “dry-wall” standards….

Yep. I did. Three different ways. You never had the wit to comprehend them.

Bub

eye…

Ragspierre on July 19, 2009 at 4:49 PM

For the economic enlightenment of those here who remain…with a brain to comprehend…

There are TWO essential sources of inflation in an economy:

one is a broad trend in the economy for higher prices for goods and services, which can come from a number of sources, including a loss of confidence in the broader economic near term:

the second, as Fed Up cites as the SOLE cause of inflation, is an increase in the money supply. Sometimes the money supply can be increased with no apparent impact on inflation. But it is fair to say that very high inflation is generally a product of a very large expansion of the money supply..

Ragspierre on July 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Basic Economics, pg. 259, para. 5

“Complications and confusion come in when we start thinking about such mystical and fallacious things as the ‘intrinsic value‘ of money or believe that gold somehow ‘backs up‘ our money or in some mysterious way gives it value.”

Emphasis mine.

Ragspierre on July 19, 2009 at 5:06 PM

My take on it… we’ve seen repeatedly how inept the US government is, and they showed a prime example of it in not stopping the attacks on 9/11. They also showed how inept they were in their investigation of the attacks in ignoring huge questions that could have been answered quite easily.

So I don’t think the US government used thermite (which was discovered in the dust) to bring down the buildings. They’re simply too inept to do such a thing even if they did want to create a “false flag” as has been done many times in the past by other governments. But I think the official story has more holes in it than Ron Paul’s underwear.

popularpeoplesfront on July 19, 2009 at 6:30 PM

So I don’t think the US government used thermite (which was discovered in the dust) to bring down the buildings.

A-freaking-mazing.

Ragspierre on July 19, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Retired general, lieutenant colonel join reservist’s lawsuit over Obama’s birth status

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/778482.html

I do hope beekiller confronts any of the large amount of military personnel suspicious of obama’s birth and tries his 9/11 meme with them/us, as I’m sure he’d get beat down pretty fast and would learn to be condescending to those who disagree with him.

TTheoLogan on July 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Niels Harrit is a twoofer…so consider the source.

Where did he get access to large amounts of WTC dust 7 years later? I call BS.

BlameAmericaLast on July 20, 2009 at 12:23 AM

If it helps, just think of Ron Paul as a useful idiot. He buys into the truther BS and other conspiracies, but he can be useful e.g. Audit the Fed. It’s a good bill that can actually help to restrain the Fed and expose the role they’ve played in the creation of pas bubbles. However, it will never be signed into law.

Paul’s problem is that he cannot grasp that Utopian philosophies, whether communist or capitalist, are idealistic fantasies. His willful ignorance concerning the threat of Islamic terrorism and nuclear proliferation would make him a horrible president. Peace & Love is a nice slogan to throw around if you want to get laid, but it’s not an effective foreign policy in the real world.

Stickeehands on July 20, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Again, keep him away from foreign policy, and he’s an asset. As soon as he opens his mouth about isolationism/non-interventionism, run for the hills.

MadisonConservative on July 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m in agreement here. Economics, ok. Foreign policy, not so much. Thats the part that just destroyed his candidacy.

riverrat10k on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Austrian Economics is not the same thing as Libertarian Chicago School of Economics that Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, etc. come from

There are some key things there which drastically divides the two schools. Paul is on the crank side as should be expected.

jp on July 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM

don’t forget the gem where he told a group that that Afghanistan war was ‘mostly about building Oil Pipelines’

ScrewLooseChange blog has it in their archives.

jp on July 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Paul is on the crank side as should be expected.

jp on July 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM

jp…you mean the “crank side” that predicts boom and bust cycles caused by the Federal Reserve via Austrian Business Cycle Theory? Yes…real cranky stuff there…

You still supporting ward jp? How’d that work out for the Republicans? Have the democrats really “changed” anything when it comes to foreign policy?

What did GW have to say about foreign entanglements? He warned against them. And the “GW” I’m talking about was George Washington who in his farewell address gave some good advice our modern day presidents just ignore.

Excerpt: “Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all.”

Fed Up on July 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM

FedUp, you are an idiot but never the less.

Alexander Hamilton(your enema) wrote Washington’s farewell speech, which I’m certain you do not know because you clearly do not have a freaking clue what Washington did as President, such as create the Nations first National Bank on the advice of Hamilton, his Treasury Secretary.

Hamilton also wrote the “Entangling ALliances” phrase as a political Attack against Jefferson because at the time they were wanting to Ally with France. Which of course you would not know because you are an idiot that worships idiots such as Paul and Lew Rockwell….all dishonest Cranks.

jp on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Paulhriods (the hemorrhoids of American Politics) completely ignore this fatal flaw and contend that it is ONLY DR. PAUL, that can save the US and Constitution.

Bleed_thelizard on July 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM

jp, you debate like a 3rd grader…

Madison also had influence in the address…but the ideas expressed were Washington’s.

Naturally you didn’t address the Austrian Business Cycle Theory.

I love how your New Republicanism is doing.

Good luck with that.

Fed Up on July 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Fed Up, you’ll see exactly how Republicans are doing at the next elections in 2010. Dumbass.

BlameAmericaLast on July 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM

FedUp – Washington Formed alliances in his adminstration and sent troops abroad, as did all the early presidents including Jefferson(see Barbary Wars). Also see “Manifest Destiny” held by him(La Purchase) and Madison and quincy adams…

Hamilton wrote that address as a political attack against Jefferson who wanted to ally with France against Britain, which they thought was idiotic.

jp on July 20, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Some points of views I agree with:

“The only thing I would be willing to die for is my home and family; I would do whatever it takes to repel an invader, to protect my homeland. When I am deciding what I think of a U.S. military operation in some far off corner of the world, I always ask the question, would this be worth my life? If the answer is no, then I don’t think it would be worth anyone else’s life either.”

“1) End the United States’ worldwide military presence and bring American troops home; 2) Place no economic sanctions on other countries; 3) Engage in unrestricted trade with all nations; 4) Declare principled neutrality in all foreign disputes and wars; and 5) Withdraw from the United Nations. We should do this irrespective of its salutary effect on terrorism. America needs to return to a foreign policy of “peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; [but] entangling alliances with none,” as Thomas Jefferson put it.”

The Left used to get us into entangling alliances and the Old Right got us out (Korea, Vietnam).

Now what exactly will get Republicans elected in 2010?

Both parties spend our children’s inheritance.
Both parties support the military industrial complex.
Both parties economic policies (and all their Keynesian Harvard, Yale, Wharton PhD’s) got us to exactly where we are today.

This “New” Republican Party doesn’t stand a chance of winning any elections unless it goes back to its Libertarian roots which does NOT include entangling alliances. If this New Republican Party would adopt fiscal responsibility, which they now speak of, but will not apply once elected, and drop the imperialistic mantra, then they’ll be there to claim victory once the Dems fall flat on their face.

I just don’t see that happening. Kristol and the boys won’t let it happen.

As I said…good luck with that…

Fed Up on July 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Err…what happened to the comments?

BlameAmericaLast on July 21, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Ahh…there they are.

BlameAmericaLast on July 21, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Well, to answer you Fedup, at the rate Hussein is going, all Repubs have to be is anti-Obama and they’ll win.

BlameAmericaLast on July 21, 2009 at 11:00 AM

The Left used to get us into entangling alliances and the Old Right got us out (Korea, Vietnam).

Explain that, please.

Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM

“The only thing I would be willing to die for is my home and family

Really? So no principle? No other human being? Just your immediate tribe? Just watch as a gang rapes and kills someone you’re not related to? How about a daughter-in-law?

Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

911 Conspiracy Freaks protect Ron Paul like leftists protect Obama.

nelsonknows on July 22, 2009 at 4:17 AM

So I don’t think the US government used thermite (which was discovered in the dust) to bring down the buildings.

What a freakin dufus, there was NO thermite found in the WTC rubble…there was aluminum oxide and ferrous oxide found in the rubble, which is found in the rubble of EVERY building that burns.
People are willing to make up ANYTHING to protect Ron Paul because they are willing idiots.

nelsonknows on July 22, 2009 at 4:23 AM

Really? So no principle? No other human being? Just your immediate tribe? Just watch as a gang rapes and kills someone you’re not related to? How about a daughter-in-law?

Ragspierre on July 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Last I checked, a daughter-in-law is family. The odds of me being around someone getting gang raped are nil. And if by some miracle I was, then I’d enforce my second amendment right if I had the opportunity to do so without harm to anyone other than the thugs. That doesn’t mean I’d die for that person. You’re grasping at straws with your queries.

Fed Up on September 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM

911 Conspiracy Freaks protect Ron Paul like leftists protect Obama.

nelsonknows on July 22, 2009 at 4:17 AM

Typical dumb remark about those who support Ron Paul, lumping us all into the category of conspiracy theorists so they can dismiss us. Try and debate me on the issues sometime. Like the issues of big government that Bush espoused. That’s what Ron Paul was trying to curtail. Ron Paul was right. Now you’re stuck with Obama and even more big government, and czars, and national health care. But hey…you should be happy…you still have your troops in harms way!

Fed Up on September 23, 2009 at 6:34 PM

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