CBO: House version of ObamaCare adds $239 billion to deficit
posted at 9:54 am on July 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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As if the White House hadn’t heard enough from Doug Elmendorf and the CBO this week. Their new analysis shows that the House version of ObamaCare not only is not deficit neutral, but the actual hit to the federal deficit for this program alone exceeds $239 billion over the next decade. Democrats immediately pledged to address it — by finding new ways to cook the books:
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office dealt another blow to House Democrats on Friday night, saying their health care bill would increase the federal deficit by $239 billion over the next 10 years.
The projected shortfall means Democrats would need to find additional revenue or make deeper cuts to existing programs in order to meet their goal of paying for the $1 trillion bill.
But those projections don’t account for a $245 billion reduction in the deficit this legislation would create, if Democrats can also approve new balanced budget rules that would permanently address an annual shortfall in Medicare payments to physicians[.] Democrats may also defend the cost of their bill by pointing out that in the long run, under new accounting rules, the bill would generate a $6 billion surplus.
Do these new rules cut expenditures by $245 billion over the next ten years? No. In fact, their new rules allow Medicare to pay doctors more for their services, increasing expenditures. They just don’t have to show that on the books:
In the bill, Democrats provide $245 billion to eliminate an annual shortfall in payments to doctors under Medicare. Democrats resolved this annual headache, in large part, to win crucial support for the bill from the American Medical Association. That money currently counts against the overall costs of the bill, but Democrats have introduced legislation that would remove this obligation from federal deficit. However, CBO won’t recognize that change until those new pay-as-you-go rules become law.
Got that? The Democrats want to spend the $245 billion but just not have it count in the checkbook. I used to try these “accounting rules” with my first bank, although I did it accidentally. They invited me to abide by their accounting rules or find another bank. The money gets spent, but the Democrats don’t have to be held accountable for running the deficit any farther up than they’re already doing. It’s a shell game, and nothing more.
Small wonder, then, that Barack Obama himself made a surprise appearance late yesterday afternoon, when most reporters expect nothing more than the standard document dump. Andrew Malcolm explains why Obama needed to make a personal appearance, and to schedule a prime-time press conference for Wednesday night:
Friday afternoons and evenings — as we’ve mentioned here previously — are usually a dumping ground for political news its originators do not want noticed much. Especially entering warm summer weekends.
The flip side of that adage is that there’s rarely much competition for the news at those times. Tah-dah! Not by accident today President Barack Obama (despite the shattering death of his beloved teleprompter earlier this week) staged an unscheduled media availability to insert himself into the news.
Not much competition, so he got lots of coverage. And since he walked out afterward without taking any questions, there was no chance of anything else detracting from the message he wanted to insert: Healthcare now!
The president knows his keystone program is in deep trouble and losing momentum. That’s why his organization is sending out all those e-mails and organizing local discussion groups to mobilize grassroots support and why he drags the subject into everything he talks about. Why he even dragged it into a speech Thursday night celebrating the NAACP’s centennial. And he’ll no doubt focus on the same subject in his weekly address tomorrow (Text here as always at 3 a.m. Pacific Saturday).
“Now is not the time to slow down,” he pleads.
Which sounds much like winter’s successful argument for urgent passage of the economic stimulus bill, whose benefits have yet to appear. We gotta do this now doesn’t always work the second time around.
The “fierce urgency of now” doesn’t play well once you’ve blown the first “now” into “you’ll see the benefits in 18 months.” With the CBO continuing to shine the light on the deep hole ObamaCare represents, Obama needs to get it done now or watch as it founders in its own sea of red ink.
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Personally I am looking forward to our little meetings. It should go as well as the RCN phone call I just received asking for money.
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Nancy Pelosi was gushing all over the place yesterday about how Obamacare has the backing of “the American people”.
Of course she later said she got this information from the voices that speak to her in her head.
pilamaye on July 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM
You know darn well it was just the tip. I know our government is incompetent but this is ridiculous. And then these same people want me to turn my health care over to them. I was born at night but it wasn’t last night.
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Organizations like the AMA exist to limit the number of physicians. Just like insurance co’s for example use state regulations to have captive markets in some states, other professions are the same. States have their own bar exams, medical and dental exams, etc, and most DO NOT offer reciprocal licensing by credential. Instead, one starts over from scratch and takes the same tests again one would take after finishing school. In states such as CA and FL, where many people used to prefer to move to, the rate of passage of exams for students who came from out of state was astronomically low. Generally speaking, in-state students pass these kinds of exams more or less routinely. It truly is a big political scam, and always has been. States with doctor shortages take other states’ medical providers with far fewer restrictions, of course. Also, some states have regional agreements, where a license in one state gtee’s a license in another. Still, removing these types of restrictions would be helpful imo to drive down costs as competition would increase.
JiangxiDad on July 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
LOL! Maybe people should start asking them if there’s a bonus for dying early.
ProfessorMiao on July 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
You’re probably going to have to “know” someone just to get that morphine drip!
anniekc on July 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I saw the Ingraham piece with Elizabeth Carpenter on O’Reilly last night. I heard the same thing you did about the counselors going to homes to help medicare patients deal with end of life decisions. I looked through the bill and found the section related to this, it is definitely there:
This section is a couple pages long with requirements for repeat visits, reimbursements means, payment for the decision aids including power point etc. I kid you not they intend to send people to the homes to help you embrace death.
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
OK, I can see why it would solve the problem of shortages in some states. But is there a surplus at the national level or would distributing N doctors differently across the states produce shortages where there currently aren’t any, or exacerabate already existing shortages in some?
We have a similar problem in Ontario. Everybody wants to practice in Toronto, so most other areas, and especially small cities and towns, have a serious shortage.
ProfessorMiao on July 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Holly Cow, a bonus? I am pretty sure my kids like me, but I don’t know if I am willing to chance it.
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
jiangx: i don’t disbelieve you, but how is it that somebody with great med school background, excellent training & smart med. practice could fail the med. licensing exam for another state? unless there’s fraud.
fraud, you say!
we do need more doctors. no question. ask a doctor you trust if the training is for the “not rocket scientist” type.
kelley in virginia on July 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
This whole health care proposal is frightening to thinking folks everywhere. Those that Nancy claims are overwhelmingly in favor of it are either not bright enough to see through this or(more likely)see this as something ‘free’. Either way, anything that the Federal government has ever managed or will ever manage always ends somewhere between chaos and outright disaster. One wonders why these pols, over the years, are so unable to see themselves clearly.
jeanie on July 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Ya gotta love it, though. The day most people retire, they’ll have some government hack show up with a laptop to ‘nudge’ them toward denying any life-saving or life-prolonging medical treatment. Retirement will really be something to look forward to!
ProfessorMiao on July 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Technically this is true. In order to “repeal” the Bush tax cuts, Obama and the Dems would have to do it before 2011. But the idea that this doesn’t count as a tax increase is laughable. If they had the will, they could extend the current tax rates or better yet make them permanent as Bush wanted to do during his 2 terms.
The real question is will Obama allow all the Bush tax cuts to expire? If so, he’ll in effect be raising taxes on people making as little as 30 grand. And call me naive, but I don’t see him getting off on a technicality by telling the public that it’s Bush’s fault.
Doughboy on July 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM
LOL! Maybe people should start asking them if there’s a bonus for dying early.
ProfessorMiao on July 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Kind of like suicide bombing–do it for the family and the good of mankind. There should some sort of price list with healthy elderly willing to sacrifice demanding a higher bonus than one already sick. And if that takes off…think of the possibilities!!
jeanie on July 18, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I wouldn’t want any doctor who couldn’t have been a rocket scientist if they wanted to coming anywhere near me!
ProfessorMiao on July 18, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Everybody know Holly Cow, right?
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Meghan? (Lord I apologize)
thomasaur on July 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Sure, she’s the one who was “put out to pasture”. nudge nudge ** wink wink **
ProfessorMiao on July 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
And there is the added advantage that the Obama death agents can claim that they are paying visits to these sickly and mis-informed elderly who are cut off from society and making their lives less lonely by talking with them for a while and perhaps making a cup of tea.
jeanie on July 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Right now Physicians Assistants (PA) are being cranked out of school faster than doctors. I suspect these are the new doctors in the upcoming horror of socialized medicine.
Last month we took our teen son to the doctor as he had a high fever for a few days. The doctor brought in a fellow with a Russian accent that was in training as a P.A.
The doctor said the PA would evaluate our son and she would come back in to see how the PA did. He examined my son and concluded he had an ear infection.
I asked the PA if he would advise prescribing and antibiotic and he said “surely”.
The doctor came back in and looked in the ear and said, no infection.
She ordered up a blood test and in an hour we were to find our son had mono.
Mono is a serious disease that causes the spleen to swell. If a patient is involved in sports they must stop until the infection passes otherwise a hit to the gut can cause the spleen to burst.
Had our son been treated by the PA only we he would have been misdiagnosed.
This is my fear of Obamacare. PA’s will undoubtedly be a part of the plan to fill the void of retiring and fleeing doctors. Combine this with the new policy of fewer diagnostic testing and people will die.
I am not suggesting all P.A.’s are incompetent and no doubt this UC Davis P.A. grad will learn as he gains experience.
P.A’s have their place as assistants, not front line medical advisers. Unfortunately under an Obamacare program these assistants will be on the front lines.
FireBlogger on July 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Well you know liberals are much nicer, kinder people than we are. /
msmveritas on July 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Cindy: You have just made Ed or AP or whomever is in charge today a happy man. You have managed to combine Meggie, Medicare and Obamacare into one thread. Masterful.
jeanie on July 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I am a talent. I also sat here bs’ing with y’all instead of working in the garden and now it’s raining. Oopsie.
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I don’t know exactly what a free market in medical professionals would look like, but my bias is for a free market, with tweaks around the outside if necessary. (Same with medical insurance in the US, fwiw.)
JiangxiDad on July 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Correct
katy on July 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I am sorry, I haven’t read you whole line of thinking (I will go back) but have you discussed the mass exodus of doctors to Texas where they apparently have addressed the tort reform and regulation problems enjoyed by most other states?
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Speaking of PAs on the front lines, how come noone ever does a poll asking what type of medical care people would be satisfied with for themselves (as opposed to other people). Seems like they asked Obama something like that and he said he would want the best for his family rather than what the government provided (paraphrasing here).
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Pure anecdote, I know, but a good friend of mine moved here (Texas) from PA a few years ago because her husband is a cardiologist and they couldn’t afford to stay in PA due to malpractice costs etc.
txmomof6 on July 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Actually I wouldn’t mind going to Texas now and then to see a doctor. Love San Antonio. I quite like going to Montana too. I don’t suppose they’d consider tort reform?
jeanie on July 18, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Not to mention the “Deal or No Deal”-style game shows!
cthulhu on July 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM
They don’t care. They are only interested in the amount of power they can grab today, right now. If it becomes a problem, the next schmo can handle it.
jana on July 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM
cthulhu on July 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Think of the audience for that. Now why hasn’t the Obama administration thought of this as a way to pay for the trillions of health care costs.
jeanie on July 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM
It’s perfect… the clown wants to be on TV 24-hours-a-day anyway… at least if he’s hosting a game show, he’ll be doing something (relatively) useful.
jana on July 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Note to self: Call Mom and tell her that if a government “death counsellor” shows up for a visit, don’t let them make the tea!
jana on July 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM
The most saddening thing is that THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE DOING! And they don’t care. All tehy want is POWER.
CynicalOptimist on July 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM
The first step in getting government health care expenses under control is freezing outlays for Medicare and Medicaid. Period. The federal government has no business mucking around with my private health insurance, especially since it has nothing to do with the federal budget problems concerning health care.
Anything other than a freeze of Medicare and Medicaid outlays is an attempt by the federal government to defraud the American public and should land everyone in Congress who votes for it, and the executive who signs it, in jail.
Why do people still allow the ineligible, affirmative action, retarded Precedent to get away with his public stupidity and intentional fraud? Can’t anyone just state what an impenetrable idiot and destroyer of America he is, along with a call for his arrest? I guarantee that, when the gloves come off, that coward will finally shut his mouth, but so long as people let him get away with pretending that he has any clue (which he clearly doesn’t) he will keep pushing his America-hating, third world policies.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Because there’s still many of them that want something for free… they have been promised “free” health care, and damn it, they want it! They believe that the “evil rich” will pay for it, so why not let their Messiah deliver it to them?
jana on July 18, 2009 at 12:43 PM
I’m talking about those on the right who refuse to call The Precedent what he is. I want the GOP Senators to start talking about arresting The Precedent for treason the same way the left is enamored of threatening to jail the last administration and run third-world “truth commissions” every five minutes.
The left is out for blood and the right is playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules. The way they treated Sotomayor with kid gloves was pathetic. The way they don’t come out and say that The Precedent is an America-hating traitor (which he clearly is) is doubly pathetic. The Precedent was running around on his Traitor Tour, blaming America for everything and no one in Congress had the guts to say that such a chief executive is out to harm the US and “give aid and comfort to the enemy”. How tough would it be for them to keep saying, “The Precedent is giving aid and comfort to the enemy”? But they treat the POS with respect, and that just puts us all, and our nation, in extreme danger.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Someone will embrace death but it won’t be me. Alchemy rules, I pay in lead.
chemman on July 18, 2009 at 12:55 PM
I know, right? It makes my blood boil to see “my side” play such a sissy game when the stakes are so freaking high.
The people are demonstrating in the streets, and the Right still can’t muster up any energy to save our way of life.
McCain could have beaten this clown if he would have just used the ammunition *given* to him by Obama himself. Ayers, Wright, Rezko, a far left voting record… he had all of that handed to him on a silver platter, but for some reason refused to use any of it.
John McCain’s misplaced sense of “honor” has doomed us all.
jana on July 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Yep.
progressoverpeace on July 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM
I was watching Fox News and once again I heard the comment “our health care system is broken.”
No, it’s not broken. Too expensive? Yes. Broken? No.
What am I missing?
Virginia Shanahan on July 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM
That the government want to have total control of your life?
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM
So, because it’s too expensive, they consider it “broken”. Big Brother government is going to step in and “fix it”…
I think Mercedes cars are too expensive. I want one. So, is the government going to “fix” our broken auto system?
jana on July 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM
They did not say it was too expensive and therefore “broken.” They said the system is broken. I said ” Not broken, too expensive.”
Sorry for the confusion.
Virginia Shanahan on July 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM
No, I know what you were saying.
But, they think it’s broken because not everyone has insurance. Not everyone has insurance because a lot of people consider it to be too expensive, and therefore would rather not spend their money on that particular expense.
So, the government decides to start meddling into the business of people who *are* willing to pay that expense in order to make it more *fair* for everyone.
I was trying to point out how fundamentally ridiculous that is.
jana on July 18, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Gotcha Jana. Smack me now while I’m still privately insured. LOL.
Virginia Shanahan on July 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM
hee hee
jana on July 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM
My family of 4 (soon 5) has been living on less than 35K per year. Our health insurance premiums exceed $500/month, and that’s with high-deductible plans for the kiddos.
You’d think I might welcome Obamacare. I DO NOT.
God, not gov’t, is our provider.
jazz_piano on July 18, 2009 at 2:17 PM
“F” the “O”.
1921 C DRUM on July 18, 2009 at 2:36 PM
If the Health Scam passes, does that mean prisoners would have to be reduced to using the same health care as the citizens on the outside of the prison walls?
yoda on July 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM
How do you suppose Presidente Pinnochio is going to act if his Healthcare Fiasco, Cap and Tax scheme and approval numbers all go down in flames?
As a student of human nature my instincts tell me this America hating, egomaniacal, affirmative action, narcissist will explode in rage and commence looking for a way to destroy those that would deny him his spoils. I hope the CIA has a plan for this, because prisons world wide are full of just such egomaniacal maniacs. Its’ just that it is usually a spouse or aquantaince or two that take the beating. With Pinnochios’ finger on the nuclear trigger it could be far more than usual.
I kind of enjoy those calls and letters now. I just tell them I already sent it to Sarah Palin or in the case of the letters tear them to shreds and mail em with Sarah’s donation.
dhunter on July 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Copper or teflon jacketed here! Time to buy more ammo!
dhunter on July 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Between the ammo bill and Palin donations every time there’s a Palin bashing thread or donation request from McStupid or the RNC, I can barely afford my already free healthcare.
I ceratinly don’t want to pay for the Goberment version just so some baby makin, pants draggin, pot smokin, proch sittin, non workers can troop into my doctors office every time they get an STD or their latest squeeze pregnant! Another question are abortions on demand coverable under Obamcare? I bet they are!
dhunter on July 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM
I live in a small town and our doctor retired. The other doctor is not taking new patients. Lucky for me I rarely get sick {knock on wood} but if I did, I would have to drive a to a bigger town and go to a clinic. I have insurance, but no doctor and that is not so unusual in rural areas.
I am concerned that even fewer people will want to be doctors if the likes of Pelosi take over the system.
Terrye on July 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM
That is quite untrue. All US medical graduates take the same licensing examination, the USMLE. What you are talking about are the foreign medical graduates who have to take additional examinations, and they have a high failure rate because their medical education may not be par with the US medical school. And they also get tested on basic science materials, which they have often already forgot. While there is no reciprocity between most states, all the US graduates have to do to apply for another state’s license is to apply. They do not need to take additional examination. The hold up mostly is because after people started working, there will be a work history to have to be examined. They may have malpractice lawsuits against them. There may have been patient’s complaints or work history issues. The process take longer because of that.
Popular states like Texas, Florida ( not as much for California now) tend to take longer, because they have a lot of applicants. And they are very strict and wanted to examine every detail of the work history.
Canada had tried to force a redistribution of physicians. If you wanted to move and practice medicine in Vancouver or Toronto in the 1980’s, you would not get a billing number from the government. You could get a billing number if you go to work in Northwestern Ontario. And since it is a single payer system, if a billing number is not granted , you cannot practice medicine. Physicians were the only group in society who had no freedom to choose where they want to work and raise their family. That was one of the reasons why you see so many Canadian doctors emigrating to the US.
That, together with THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT forcing medical school to reduce class size (the government felt that more physicians will generate more billing, and by keeping reimbursement and number of doctors down, they can cut down on cost. They want the existing number of doctors to see more patients) The plan for forced redistribution did not work. Right now, there is a national shortage of doctors and nurses in Canada. Central planning usually fail, and the same will go for ObamaCare.
bayview on July 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM
This story is also very reminiscent of the Massachusetts experience where Romney is getting a lot of slingshots , examples of which abound in HotAir.
Romney’s initial premise was that every Massachusetts resident has an obligation to carry his/her own health insurance. He wanted the private health insurance companies to come up with different plans and options. The cheaper ones involves a high deductible. For people who truly cannot afford paying for their own insurance premium, they can apply for government premium assistance. After the overwhelmingly democratic (and lefty) state legislation put their modifications (extending benefits and coverage, lowering eligibility for assistance, accommodating all the special interest groups) on the original proposal,it became an unrecognizable and expensive white elephant. You can knock Romney for still signing the bill. But the same thing is happening, a really horrible Obama initiative is made even worse by the Democratic controlled Congress. Once that genie is out of the bottle. the end result will be a bad and expensive system that will be hard to control, let alone reverse.
bayview on July 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Yep. It’s all about power and control: The healthcare industry in the nation’s LARGEST employer (18% of GDP), the Unions will not be happy if this doesn’t pass..
TN Mom on July 18, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Tennessee tried the State-run healthcare (TennCare) and nearly went Bankrupt. EPIC Failure.
TN Mom on July 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM
I told them any money I have is going to Marco Rubio. Finally had to say thanks for calling and hang up.
Cindy Munford on July 18, 2009 at 6:17 PM
They are also looking to sneak in the rather extreme pro-abortion FOCA (freedom of choice act) into this as a backdoor approach to make a radical attack on states rights when it comes to abortion. This act would eliminate waiting periods, parental consent laws, informed consent laws, late term abortion bans, and any other restrictions on the wholesale wanton slaughter of the inconvenient yet still VERY MUCH HUMAN AND ALIVE (until the hired hitman takes over) practices of abortion in all it’s gruesome forms.
flyfishingdad on July 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM
And whip out that pistol and get in a prone position.
Sapwolf on July 19, 2009 at 3:01 AM
It’s Sunday morning, 7 a.m., and I just saw the tail-end of a news bit (on CNN or MSNBC) about a congressman who will certainly be crucified for pointing out that free (government-paid) abortions might have enticed Obama’s mother, and Justice Thomas’s mother, to abort their sons. I could hear snarls coming from the gallery.
The newscaster actually called the legislator’s comments “racist” — so much for objectivity.
If anyone here would like some stats about abortion’s devastating effect on the black community, here are a couple, with data from the Guttmacher Institute by way of the National Right to Life Committee:
Black women represent only 14% of the U.S. population of women of child-bearing age, but account for 32% of all abortions in the U.S.
Almost half of all black pregnancies end in abortion, but only about one-in-six white pregnancies.
For more information about abortion’s impact on black Americans, visit nrlc.org, protectingblacklife.org, everlastinglightministries.org, or kingforamerica.com (Web site of Dr. Martin Luther King’s niece).
KyMouse on July 19, 2009 at 7:27 AM
If our conservative representatives know what’s good for them, not one will vote for this bill. If they do, they will find themselves joining the list of jackasses that voted for the cap-and-tax who will promptly be voted out of office when their term comes up. That’s not a threat or a warning, that’s a promise.
Goldy1 on July 19, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I knew they would be! If not immediately sooner rather than later.
You see like El Rushbo I know these “people” “like every square inch of my glorious naked body.”
People who would kill unwanted babies would most assuredly have no problem killing old people they deem unworthy…. Republicans?
By eliminating unwanted babies and old people they control costs.
What they don’t realize is there is a long list of these old fossils hiding out in the U.S.Senate thanks to states such as West Virginia, Massatoochits, Arizoooona and on and on.
They could do the same by simply making people responsible for their own healthcare needs, by paying for it or having insurance that will. Presidente Pinnochio might call it havin skin in the game.
Unfortunately the Dems program wants all of us to have skin in the game so their stooopid, lazy, porch sittin, quart drinkin, pot smokin, baby makin, pants around their knees, constituents can have unlimited access to my doctors office to attend to their STD’s, pregnancies, stab wounds, gun shots, colds, headaches, hang nails, fungal infections, yeast infections other assorted maladies many of which are a result of their lifestyle and not havin to have skin in the game.
dhunter on July 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Of course.
5u93rm4n on July 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Motto to be placed over the doors of every Obamacare facility:
“Abandon hope all ye who enter here”
n0doz on July 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM
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