It’s on: Atheists want “In God We Trust” removed from Capitol visitor’s center

posted at 7:34 pm on July 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

We’re never going to have an atheist president, are we?

Besides the one we have now, I mean. OH YES.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based church-state watchdog group, claimed the engravings are unconstitutional and would exclude the 15% of Americans who identify themselves as non-religious…

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who sponsored the bill in the Senate, said historical references to God should not be censored for political correctness.

“The Founders based the Constitution and our laws on religious faith and principles that clear the way for individual freedom,” he said in a statement. “Our true motto, ‘In God We Trust,’ expresses this fact, and we cannot allow a whitewash of America’s religious heritage.”

However, Gaylor said the mottos are inaccurate since “In God We Trust” and the insertion of “under God” into the Pledge of Allegiance were adopted in the 1950s as anti-communist measures.

“They wanted this up there because they think God is the foundation of our government,” Gaylor said. “Boy, are they misinformed.”

Before anyone says something smart-assed, no, atheists aren’t pro-communist. (Not anymore, at least.) I would have let this one go given that (a) no one pays much attention to the “In God We Trust” stuff anyway and (b) the bad press derived from a lawsuit will outweigh the gain from shielding soft-headed believers from a motto engraved in rock except that, per the Establishment Clause, they do have a point. What’s a prudent atheist to do?

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Well Allah is the same as my God. The disagreement occurs between Judaism, Christians, and Muslims because for Jews, the savior hasn’t arrived yet. For Christians, the savior has arrived. For Muslims, Jesus was a prophet, but Muhammed was the ultimate prophet of God.So essentially these three groups are arguing about what amounts to splitting hairs. We all believe in the EXACT SAME God.

Rightwingguy on July 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM

If the Koran came from Allah, then Allah is not the God of the Bible, because the Koran denies that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected. It also denies that He is God. Those aren’t minor points of disagreement. Gentile and Jewish believers in Jesus proclaim that the Tenach (Old Testament) points toward Jesus as God, savior and messiah; and that the New Testament confirms His identity.

While most Jews believe that “the savior hasn’t arrived yet,” a small but growing number of Jewish men and women do believe that Jesus was (and is) God and the messiah whose coming and atoning death were foretold by their prophets.

As I have pointed out recently, the better-known “Jews for Jesus” have included British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, composer Felix Mendelssohn (who wrote to music for “Hark, the Herald Angels Sing,” my favorite carol), and William Herschel, the planetary astronomer who discovered Uranus (no jokes, please).

Disraeli wrote, “Christianity is completed Judaism, or it is nothing. Christianity is incomprehensible without Judaism, as Judaism is incomplete without Christianity…Rome indeed boasts that the authenticity of the second Testament depends upon the recognition of her infallibility. The authenticity of the second Testament depends upon the congruity with the first…

“When Omnipotence deigned to be incarnate, the Infallible Word did not select a Roman, but a Jewish frame. The prophets were not Romans but Jews; she who was blessed above all women, I never heard she was a Roman maiden. No, I should look to a land more distant than Italy, to a city more sacred even than Rome.

“The first preachers of the gospel were Jews, and none else…No one has ever been permitted to write under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, except a Jew. For nearly a century, no one believed in the good tidings except Jews…The pupil of Moses may ask himself, whether all the princes of the house of David have done so much for the Jews as that prince who was crucifed on Calvary. Had it not been for Him, the Jews would have been comparatively unknown…Christians may continue to persecute Jews (and by doing so misrepresent their Master) and Jews may persist in disbelieving Christians, but who can deny that Jesus of Nazareth, the Incarnate Son of God, is the eternal glory of the Jewish race?”

In our own time, New York physician Vera Schlamm, a Holocaust survivor (who recently died), once wrote, “When I accepted him [Jesus], it was strictly because God showed me, yes, Jesus is the expected Messiah, and that was reason enough to believe in him. I learned the Jesus had ushered in a New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah [Jer. 31:30-33].

“Do we need to protect ourselves against the ‘disgrace’ of becoming Jews who believe in Jesus? Should we keep a chain on the door of our heart so we don’t have to see if he is out there, if he is real? No, for if Jesus is the Messiah, it is no disgrace for a Jew to believe.”

KyMouse on July 20, 2009 at 9:05 AM

The sentence in the second-to-last paragraph above should read “I learned that Jesus had ushered in a New Covenant…”

I forgot to add that during the Holocaust, Dr. Schlamm was in Bergen-Belsen.

While I’m here, I’ll add that today’s “Jews for Jesus” include Jay Sekulow, top guy of the American Center for Law and Justice, who does a lot of good for conservative causes.

KyMouse on July 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM

We’re on a steady march to socialism, our national debt has reached insane levels, the economy is faltering and Obama prizes personal freedom even less than Bush, and we have an increasingly more corrupt government…and the biggest problem facing society according to those who exercise unerring critical thinking is “In God We Trust”?

Come on Allahpundit, whenever we religious conservatives talk about “abortion or the gays” we get told we’re not staying on message and that these “distractions” are why the ‘party’/cause/whatever is faltering.

gwelf on July 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

“They wanted this up there because they think God is the foundation of our government,” Gaylor said. “Boy, are they misinformed.”

Obviously this guy has never read any of the founding fathers. You know, the guys who were present and laid the foundations of our govt.

MarkTheGreat on July 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM

a small but growing number of Jewish men and women do believe that Jesus was (and is) God and the messiah whose coming and atoning death were foretold by their prophets.
KyMouse on July 20, 2009 at 9:05 AM


Sorry, bud, but these folks are not Jewish. They’re Christian, period. Jews do not, have not, and will not accept your JC as anything. end of discussion. If you wish to delude yourself into thinking they’re Jews, feel free to do so.

Will there be a Christians for Mohammed group?

dmh0667 on July 20, 2009 at 12:00 PM

And that little point about “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” of religion seems to be excluded more and more by these fools.

God is in control and has blessed this country like no other and when we disgrace Him we suffer the consequences of our disobedience, whether you believe or not. The bible has predicted the events we see today with a weakened America, Israel, Iran and Russia…

dthorny on July 20, 2009 at 1:47 PM

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