Democrats put their Representatives up for sale

posted at 1:36 pm on July 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

How did Democrats manage to win a narrow 219-212 victory on cap-and-tax three weeks ago?  According to Glenn Thrush at Politico, they did it the old-fashioned way — they bought the votes.  Democratic leadership in the House dumped tens of thousands of dollars into the campaign coffers of Democratic waverers on the expansive and expensive energy-industry controls:

Three House Democratic leaders who were whipping members on the climate change bill gave tens of thousands in campaign cash to party moderates around the time of the 219-212 vote on June 26, according to Federal Election Commission records.

It’s impossible to tell if that torrent of cash was an attempt to schmear wavering Democrats — or just part of the usual cash dump made by leaders on the eve of the June 30 quarterly fundraising deadline.

Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC) doled out $28,000 to reps who eventually voted yes on June 24, two days before the big vote — on a day when House leaders were doing some heavy-duty arm-twisting.

Clyburn recipients who voted for the bill included a who’s-who of battleground district Dems: Steve Driehaus, D-OH ($2,000); Martin Heinrich, D-NM ($2,000); Suzanne Kosmas, D-Fla. ($4,000); Betsy Markey, D-Colo. ($2,000); Carol Shea-Porter, D-NH ($2,000), Baron Hill, D-Ind. ($2,000); Alan Grayson, D-Fla. ($2,000); Leonard Boswell, D-Iowa ($2,000); Jim Himes, D-Conn. ($2,000);  Mary Jo Kilroy, D-OH ($2,000); Kurt Schrader, D-Ore. ($2,000); Jerry McNerney, D-Calif. ($2,000) and Tom Perriello, D-Va. ($2,000).

Pelosi and Clyburn claim that the donations were just the normal end-of-quarter cash dumps that leadership routinely give their members.  Perhaps, but the pattern of giving more than 16 months before the next election speaks to a certain strategy on pending legislation.  While the two did contribute to eventual opponents of the bill, the money went in this week primarily to swing voters on the issue, which makes it look less routine and more like they only mostly succeeded in buying support for the bill.

Besides, the vote got managed by Pelosi and Clyburn to allow as many moderates to keep their no votes while allowing the bill to pass.  The few that got the cash and still voted no may have been on deck to switch their votes if opposition continued to rise. The eventual votes from the group of recipients may have less to do with principled opposition than it did in covering their electoral rumps for the 2010 midterms.

When Democratic leadership has been whipping the vote for weeks and suddenly shows up with bags of money for the waverers, calling that “routine” may be more indicting than Pelosi understands.

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As long as they voted for a bill that they believed in after having read it, it’s a good vote.

Or if they vote for a bill that they were bribed to vote for but hadn’t read, it’s a good vote.

You know. Either way, really.

lorien1973 on July 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Didn’t that representative from Ohio, Marcy Kaptur, get a $3.5 billion payoff for her “yes” vote? That’s the only way any of these people from coal mining states would ever vote for this monstrosity.

Doughboy on July 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Next time around, more Dems should pretend to be against a bill so that they can get some cash too.

myrenovations on July 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM

A politician with integrity is one who, when bought, stays bought.

el rey on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

calling that “routine” may be more indicting than Pelosi understands.

If only that were literally true.

cs89 on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

That’s less than Spitzer paid.

barnone on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I think we knew this the day of the vote. Nice to have documentation, though.

Vashta.Nerada on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

In other words, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn bribed members of Congress to vote for an idiotic bill based 100% on certified junk science.

And the MSM is virtually silent about this whole sordid mess.

Anyone want to hanker a guess what would have happened if a wealthy REPUBLICAN congressman had bribed members to vote AGAINST the bill?

You think the MSM would have turned the same deaf ear away from something like that?

I don’t think so!

pilamaye on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

A lot worse than the ACU.

Is that really the standard you want to set, though?

lorien1973 on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

can we deem Congress the Red Light District now?

cmsinaz on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

If this country and its government get any sicker it will have to check itself into Obabacare . . . and die.

rplat on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

That’s bribery.

At the very least, it’s unethical to be doleing out money in the middle of a legislative session.

And we all know Pelosi wouldn’t want something that even appears unethical to besmirch her perfect record. /s

To wit: Campaign Finance Reform takes away OUR basic First Amendment Rights to prevent just THIS sort of thing from happening. But happens anyway.

I demand an investigation.

Skywise on July 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I demand an investigation.

Skywise on July 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Do you giggle when you make such demands?

myrenovations on July 17, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Cheap dates. Did Pelosi respect them the morning after?

BuckeyeSam on July 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Is that really the standard you want to set, though?

lorien1973 on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

It will probably work as well as the whole Bush wasn’t as bad on spending as Obama standard.

myrenovations on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Change.2010

faraway on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

There is a reason why they call her MADAM speaker.

Laura in Maryland on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I got this seat in Congress and it’s [bleep]ing golden! I’m not just gonna give away my vote!

innominatus on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Clyburn

REPUBLICAN DEFICIT SOCIETY

Clyburn Responds to President’s Rose Garden Speech

WASHINGTON, DC—House Democratic Caucus Chairman James E. Clyburn today responded to the president’s Rose Garden press conference:

“I was surprised to hear the president say today that he hopes the election will be based on his economic performance. Look at the state of affairs today. Everything this administration and the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress touches turns into deficits. It’s the reverse Midas touch. I call it the ‘Minus Touch.’…

“America faces a significant jobs deficit. Since President Bush took office, with the help of his friends in the Republican Congress, more than 2.9 million manufacturing jobs have been lost. We need to create at least 75,000 jobs a month to keep pace, but last month we created only 57,000 jobs. That’s a deficit of 18,000 jobs.

The day has come when a $380 Billion deficit can be termed “chump change.”

mankai on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Cheap dates. Did Pelosi respect them the morning after?

BuckeyeSam on July 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

She didn’t respect them the night before.

thomasaur on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC) doled out $28,000 to reps who eventually voted yes on June 24, two days before the big vote — on a day when House leaders were doing some heavy-duty arm-twisting.

Clyburn is a criminal anyway but I gotta wonder if $2000 per vote is a deposit or if the Democrats would really sell out the nation so cheaply.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Does anyone in Congress care about the country anymore or is just “as long as I get mine.”

Tasha on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

They didn’t hide anything. On the day of the vote, weren’t some of them instructed to go see Waxman over in the corner to discuss a “deal”.

sherry on July 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM

can we deem Congress the Red Light District now?

cmsinaz on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

LOL.

They are the Red light district of Hotel Chains.

Democrats Ho-Tell. We’ll leave the red light on for you.

portlandon on July 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM

There is a reason why they call her MADAM speaker.

Laura in Maryland on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Apparently there is a brothel beside that swamp Pelosi vowed to drain.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Does anyone in Congress care about the country anymore or is just “as long as I get mine.”

Tasha on July 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Ding Ding Ding……

Second one for the win.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Under their thumb… change has come:

Everything this administration and the Republican DEMOCRATIC Rubber Stamp Congress touches turns into deficits INVESTMENTS.

mankai on July 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

A lot worse than the ACU.

Is that really the standard you want to set, though?

lorien1973 on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Not really the same thing.

This is the DNC doing this… the political party that was elected.

The ACU isn’t the RNC. It has legislators as members and they threatened to vote as a bloc unless they got their way. But I put that at the same level as… say…the Congressional Black Caucus (Not saying the CBC does the same thing just a sub organization of a policial party).

Skywise on July 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Just watch………

………… If ‘cap and tax’ and ‘Obamacare’ actual get signed into law, and the results totally devastate the economy and turn the United States into a third world sh%t hole,

………. all of these politicians, especially Pelosi, will be standing around declaring themselves ‘innocent bystanders’.

Seven Percent Solution on July 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Amazing how cheap these whores are.

They should have learned negotiating skills from Eliot Spitzer’s tart.

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

So that’s what integrity can be bought for these days, $28,000? That’s what the future of my children is worth to these scum, not enough money to even buy a new truck?

Bishop on July 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Cap-and-Tax is now in the Senate. Will anything be done PRO-ACTIVELY or should we just expect a lot of talk after it passes on the Gang-of-Whatever -number this time who sail it through?

Marcus on July 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM

So wavering Democrats were paid for their votes by the DNC. So what’s excuse of the Republican congress critters who voted for it? Political opportunism or just good old fashioned stupidity?

Dreadnought223 on July 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Apparently there is a brothel beside that swamp Pelosi vowed to drain.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM

…you’ve made it tough on me, now I can’t decide whether to call her Miss Kitty or Swamp Thing.

Laura in Maryland on July 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Re: Clyburn. Thanks alot, you @ss, for giving people another reason to look down on the great state of South Carolina.

LastRick on July 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

can we deem Congress the Red Light District now?

cmsinaz on July 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

That conjured images of Nancy Pelosi in fishnets and a mini-skirt. Is there a doctor in the house? I need someone to cut that part of my brain now…

Daggett on July 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Political opportunism or just good old fashioned stupidity?

Dreadnought223 on July 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Clearly stupidity. They should have held out for more.

LastRick on July 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

One question. Did Clyburn come with cash or checks? On the one hand I have visions of him sitting in the cloakroom with a big old strongbox as these FOJs (friends of Judas) lined up to get their $2K in a stack of $100 bills. On the other hand I have visions of Clyburn skulking the floor of the House, every now and then whipping out the checkbook and writing a “pay to the order of cash” for these FOJs.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM

reprehensible sewer rats- the whole lot

rjoco1 on July 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Do you giggle when you make such demands?

myrenovations on July 17, 2009 at 1:44 PM

In a similar fashion that Willy Wonka said “No, don’t stop…” as if anything he said mattered… (the original Willy Wonka that is)

Skywise on July 17, 2009 at 1:56 PM

reprehensible sewer rats- the whole lot

rjoco1 on July 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Aw, come on. They don’t all look like Waxman.

Laura in Maryland on July 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM

We aren’t really surprised are we? Corruption and scandal is the forte of the democrats.

fourdeucer on July 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM

What, no “Most ethical Congress evah!”?

Count to 10 on July 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Nothing the Donks do surprises me. What I want to know is who bought the eight Repukes and for how much.

sandspur on July 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I think it should be illegal for one politician to transfer his campaign contributions to another politician.

I also think they should have to pay taxes on their contributions. They are in charge of our tax policy, and they play around with millions of tax-free dollars.

MayBee on July 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

So wavering Democrats were paid for their votes by the DNC. So what’s excuse of the Republican congress critters who voted for it? Political opportunism or just good old fashioned stupidity?

Dreadnought223 on July 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

They got paid even more, but dems won’t tell – it would anger not only the traitorous eights’ constituents, but also donors to the democrat party.

Vashta.Nerada on July 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Here is the web site that shows which Congresspeople Nancy Pelosi has given campaign contributions to:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00007360&type=P

Click through to see all 3 pages of the list.

If you don’t like Nancy Pelosi, make sure you don’t vote for a Congressperson who has taken her contributions!!!

This is where Pelosi gets her power!

Drain the swamp!!!

wren on July 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Let me be clear:

Sarah Palin “doesn’t read highbrow political books & journals” == bad.

Congressional Democrats “don’t read the bills they vote for” == good.

jeff_from_mpls on July 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Drain the swamp!!!

wren on July 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

We are going to need a bigger pump.

ICBM on July 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Pelosi and Clyburn claim that the donations were just the normal end-of-quarter cash dumps that leadership routinely give their members.

That’s why she scheduled the vote at the same time. She has her cover.

For this reason and many others she runs the house and Boehner does not.

patrick neid on July 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM

The Democratic Party is a criminal enterprise posing as a political party. I know someone famous said that a few days ago, but I have been saying it for years, and it bears repeating often. And no, I am not using hyperbole – I am making a straighforward accusation.

drunyan8315 on July 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM

“Most ethical Congress, evah!” And don’t you forget it. Nancy did promise “transparency”. Guess this is some of it. Can’t call ‘em hypocrites any longer. They “won”.

GarandFan on July 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I don’t think I like that photo of Pelosi. It makes her look almost normal and almost pretty.

Ed, please use one of the photos that makes her look like the insane hag that she is.

UltimateBob on July 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

So that’s why Mary Jo Kilroy sent me that ridiculous response about Cap and Trade before the vote…

MobileVideoEngineer on July 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Another example of how badly McCain f8cked legislation, comprehensive campaign finance reform: what it has, what it lacks. “There oughta be a law”–spare us more corruption!

maverick muse on July 17, 2009 at 2:20 PM

The day has come when a $380 Billion deficit can be termed “chump change.”

mankai on July 17, 2009

I remember when Democrats and their crotch-hounds in the media would scream at the tops of their lungs over Republican administration deficits. Now…silence. They’ve turned into the little Family Circus gremlins Not Me and Ida Know.

SKYFOX on July 17, 2009 at 2:20 PM

This type of BS just drives me insane. Why isnt this reported and the politicians shunned. I dont care if you are an R or D, this behavior speaks volumes about your character and why they all need to be thrown in jail. They could give two $hits about the people they claim to represent.

Avatar72 on July 17, 2009 at 2:21 PM

To: ICBM 2:14

We can drain Pelosi’s swamp if Americans across the country all bail together!

We have to make Pelosi’s contributions to Congressional campaigns completely toxic!

Call the Congresspeople who have already taken her contributions for the 2010 cycle to let them know you will be voting against them because they took contributions from Pelosi. Here is the list:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00007360&type=P

And there should be large public protests whenever Pelosi appears at fundraisers for other Congressional candidates!

wren on July 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Clyburn recipients who voted for the bill included a who’s-who of battleground district Dems: Steve Driehaus, D-OH ($2,000); Martin Heinrich, D-NM ($2,000); Suzanne Kosmas, D-Fla. ($4,000); Betsy Markey, D-Colo. ($2,000); Carol Shea-Porter, D-NH ($2,000), Baron Hill, D-Ind. ($2,000); Alan Grayson, D-Fla. ($2,000); Leonard Boswell, D-Iowa ($2,000); Jim Himes, D-Conn. ($2,000); Mary Jo Kilroy, D-OH ($2,000); Kurt Schrader, D-Ore. ($2,000); Jerry McNerney, D-Calif. ($2,000) and Tom Perriello, D-Va. ($2,000).

I hope they got more than that through the back door. I just bought a new truck, but for much less I could of had my own representative. What a dope I am.

DFCtomm on July 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Nothing new about politicians in either party being up for sale.

The contrary is what I find surprising.

EconomicNeocon on July 17, 2009 at 2:33 PM

UltimateBob on July 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

God Awful.

That last retort from Harry C. Alford, the National Black Chamber of Commerce CEO guest being offended “in the record” by the condescending, vile, racist Jim Crow Sen.Boxer applies to her BFFE, Speaker Pelosi.

Legislators: back to basics, Reading Is Fundamental.

ENERGY!
Drill here and now while building the nuclear plants.

maverick muse on July 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Carol Shea-Porter, D-NH ($2,000)

She’s a getalife. She was the only member of the NH Congressional delegation to refuse to attend the military funeral for a NH National Guardsman KIA in Afghanistan last fall.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

They’ve turned into the little Family Circus gremlins Not Me and Ida Know.

SKYFOX on July 17, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Grandparents Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and the dog, Barney Frank.

maverick muse on July 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM

All smoke, no fire once again. Those who want party resources must walk the party line. SHOCK!

I’m all for whippin’ the Dems, but if we conservatives lose perspective by expressing populist-type outrage over their every move, the legitimate criticisms will fall on deaf ears–deaf because of all our shouting, that is.

And as a friendly reminder, the ACU stuff is hogwash.

cackcon on July 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM

And we continue to allow this government to operate without rules for what reason? Please don’t tell me fair play.

Limerick on July 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Business as usual where the Democrats are concerned.

http://www.teapartynation.com

tnmama on July 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM

And there should be large public protests whenever Pelosi appears at fundraisers for other Congressional candidates!

wren on July 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

ABSOLUTELY!

Pelosi should be the target of tea bag parties, having scripted our STIMULUS FROM HELL.

maverick muse on July 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM

When does the revolution begin? I’ll be there. I’ll be equipped to exercise my 1st and my 2nd Amendment rights.

microfiction on July 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM

If you don’t like Nancy Pelosi, make sure you don’t vote for a Congressperson who has taken her contributions!!!

This is where Pelosi gets her power!

Drain the swamp!!!

wren on July 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

If you don’t like Nancy Pelosi, contribute to your local GOP candidate. Not the state or national party funds but keep it local and make it a priority to get YOUR Congressional candidate into office.

The only way to oust Pelosi from power and restore a checks/balances form of government is at the local level. Since incumbency is so powerful a thing, the only way to do so is scorched earth grass roots activism like never before. Never take it for granted that your candidate will win and, certainly, never assume the other guy is too powerful to beat.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Didn’t that representative from Ohio, Marcy Kaptur, get a $3.5 billion payoff for her “yes” vote? That’s the only way any of these people from coal mining states would ever vote for this monstrosity.

Doughboy on July 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Yes. Don’t forget Obama recently nominated Clyburn’s daughter for a spot on the FCC (I believe).

Clyburn recipients who voted for the bill included a who’s-who of battleground district Dems: Steve Driehaus, D-OH ($2,000);

Driehaus is a first-termer in a blue-collar district just west of Cincinnati. It’s kind of a purple district that had been represented by a GOPer for about a decade. Anyway, another payoff seems to be very frequent local ads urging viewers to call and thank him for his vote in favor of cap-and-trade. He’s not my rep, but he’s in a neighboring district and the ads make me puke.

BuckeyeSam on July 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I’m all for whippin’ the Dems, but if we conservatives lose perspective by expressing populist-type outrage over their every move, the legitimate criticisms will fall on deaf ears–deaf because of all our shouting, that is.

cackcon on July 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Um… They weren’t voting on renaming a Post Office. This was vote buying necessary to get enough votes on a bill that fundamentally changes America (down to the point of dictating what kind of light bulbs are legal). I fully appreciate your “hold your fire for the big stuff” point but would ask this. If you don’t want to call foul over a bill that will cost billions, raise taxes, kill businesses, and change the everyday lives of every American….. When the hell would you pull the trigger and call foul?

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Porkulus

Cap n Trade

Sotomeyor

BarryCare

***spits on sidewalk***

Limerick on July 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Apparently there is a brothel besideinside that swamp Pelosi vowed to drain.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM

FIFY

chemman on July 17, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Daggett on July 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You’ll need an EPA certified toxic waste clean crew for that visualization.

chemman on July 17, 2009 at 3:10 PM

***spits on sidewalk***

Limerick on July 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM

You forgot the Chrysler debacle and the GM takeover.

Those still stick in my craw.

And about the link to that vid: we may need to brush up on Civil War history sooner rather than later.

Chaz706 on July 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM

what did you expect from a Chicago style polician?

pgrossjr on July 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Democrats are prostitutes. And the Pacific Ocean is damp.

darktood on July 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Well, time for another email to my congresswhore. I wrote him just before cap and trade and got a response that said he knew better than I.

I guess he knew better than I because he got money for the vote. I can’t wait to write this email.

ORconservative on July 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I bet they will lose more than they gained on that bill. Short sighted, greedy morons.

Terrye on July 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Who knew you could sell your soul for $2000?

Buy Danish on July 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Cheap dates. Did Pelosi respect them the morning after?

BuckeyeSam on July 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Think she bought them dinner too?

Susanboo on July 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

This is getting so out of hand if we
cant get rid of ALL of CONGRESS and
the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
the WHITE HOUSE
We wont have a country left..
we need to ARREST ALL POLITICIANS
NOW and put them ALL on public trial
then throw ALL of them into jail..
Both parties.
GET RID OF THEM ALL

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

veteranoutrage on July 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM

We cannot wait 4 more months
let alone 4 more years..

I am now wondering if this was the situation
our forefathers predicted would happen
and Why they put in the 2nd ammendment..
So we could stop them
If necessary by use of FORCE..

And that SCARES the CRAP Out of me
that americans might have to go that far…

In order to clean out the brood of vipers
that infest our hallowed halls..

We should never have gotten to this point..
and I DID VOTE EACH AND EVERY ELECTION
I TRIED to pick the best that i could..

Dont ask me how come i didnt run..
Because i used to drink and i did inhale.
And i am uneducated …
I wouldt have gotten more than 1 vote..
MINE..

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

veteranoutrage on July 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Hey, they dig up people to vote, why would we be surprised that they bribe people for their votes!

flytier on July 17, 2009 at 11:15 PM

I’ve always been under the impression that buying votes was illegal (sarc).

13Girl on July 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

When will this nonsense stop? Bribing representatives to pass a fraudulent bill. I just saw a broadcast regarding the area weather. Dodge City, KS had a record low of 57 deg last night. The previous record of 58 was set in 1882.

Throughout the country record low temperature have been broken over the last year. These idiots’ votes were purchased over unproven science.

Pack up Algore and send him to the Arctic to live with the polar bears, musk ox, and foxes. He’d be of more use.

Climate change (global warming), my ass.

jack herman on July 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM