But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I don’t believe we’ll be going against our sons and daughters, in uniform, something pretty unthinkable to me as well.

It’s why Obama wants those Brownshirts organized, within the next two years…oh, and they’ll be black, from a different tribe, against whiteys. Much like the Chinese, they bring in an army from a distant region, so they won’t be shooting their own kind. The same tactic as the Iranians are doing now.

Well, given the government’s inability to keep people from coming *in* through the borders, I doubt that they’ll have much success at keeping people like me from crossing in the other direction. (:

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Our government is not unable to keep foreigners from illegally crossing our borders; it is unwilling to do so.

There’s a big difference.

Anyone with half a brain will know this to be the inevitable outcome on the course we’re taking.

The question is whether will the producers and achievers will wait for the inevitable crash or take their destiny in their own hands.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I just hope the producers have the good sense to to do the latter… make it easier on all of us.

And to all you producers out there: you have my support!

What would John Galt do?

Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM

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How do we form Patriot Cells, w/o ACORN’s Brownshirts or the FBI showing up at our door? I really wanna know and ready to sign up.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

You’d be surprised at what they can do when they set their minds to it. Our government has no problem “torturing” Americans (as in SERE training) but they go apoplectic if we spill water over the faces of terrorists bent on our destruction. They will be truly ruthless with Americans trying to leave, while they don’t even see any aliens coming in. It takes me back to the days of refuseniks in the USSR, who were sent to Siberia for even applying for an exit visa … I’ll have to get the old bracelets out, but put my name on them, now. Oh well.

It’s a shame, but there is no escape from this, as far as I see it.

progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Well, given the government’s inability to keep people from coming *in* through the borders, I doubt that they’ll have much success at keeping people like me from crossing in the other direction. (:

Why did the Germans let Hitler do what he did?

It was easier to just let it happen. And they hated Jews, anyway.

Yes, I am throwing out a Nazi reference on a Friday PM.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM

If the shoe fits … And The Precedent’s shoe fits Hitler’s too damn closely for comfort.

MVE, I am going to write to Senator Ben Nelson (D) today. He doesn’t come up for re-election until 2012, but I am going to remind him that we will remember his vote on Health Scam. All three Representatives here in Nebraska are conservative as is Senator Johanns.

I hope everyone on HotAir writes or calls their Senators.

Romney / Elmendorf 2012?

Steve Z on July 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Personally, I’d like to see

Palin / Bolton 2012

Or, the ‘Cuda and the ’stache

At least he could be the budget director in the Palin administration.

Why are people letting them muck around with our private health care in order to divert attention from the public payouts that are driving us to ruin? These Dems need to be confronted head-on, instead of the milquetoasts who agree with them that “the system needs reform”.
progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Why did the Germans let Hitler do what he did? Yes, I am throwing out a Nazi reference on a Friday PM.

Anything other than a permanent spending freeze on Medicare and Medicaid is an attempt to subvert the Constitution (more than it already has been) and any “reforms” that take place without a spending freeze are Trojan Horses that ought to get their sponsors and signers immediately thrown into jail.

Why are people letting them muck around with our private health care in order to divert attention from the public payouts that are driving us to ruin? These Dems need to be confronted head-on, instead of the milquetoasts who agree with them that “the system needs reform”. Bullsh!t!! Public programs need to be put under strict control. Private health care has nothing to do with that, and any attempt to conflate the two is a disingenuous ruse.

I can’t imagine secession happening without some form of Federal violence against the states.

Our men and women in uniform are, indeed, sworn to uphold the Constitution. Let’s pray that when push comes to shove, they understand which side to be on.

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

You aren’t going to see secession or a second civil war. Society is too interconnected.

What that doesn’t preclude is violent civil unrest and disruption of the rule of law. A government works because its citizens more or less obey the rules. Most everybody has been a speeder or jaywalker but few have opted for vigilante justice.

The long and the short of it is that as long as those responsible for maintaining the rule of law are supportive of the dictator in the White House, he will continue to rule. One rash of riots in multiple American cities and it could be all over for the filthy liar and his plots.

As Nixon learned and the Iranians just found out, images of police/Guardsmen attacking fellow citizens is a lose-lose situation. They might quell the rioting but that isn’t the same thing as restoring order because order comes out of citizens obedience. Disobedience can always lurk underground.

I’m not advocating violence or rioting because it also kills productivity. Nevertheless if we continue on the current path where one person with a cult of followers continues to destroy the nation, unemployment numbers and foreclosures continue to rise (the latter fueled by unemployment now and the mortgage crisis), and DC seems as deaf to it all as they have been…. Then riots and violence are not that far ahead of us.

Legal, non-violent protest (like a strike) is one thing. If state’s decide to pursue secession, so be it.
But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.
jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I can’t imagine secession happening without some form of Federal violence against the states.
Our men and women in uniform are, indeed, sworn to uphold the Constitution. Let’s pray that when push comes to shove, they understand which side to be on.
guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

That’s why a Strike would be needed – before things go too far.

How long have we known about the looming social security problem without doing anything. GWB tried a modest approach at reform and was slapped down by Pelosi as well as many in the GOP.
highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Maybe Fauxbama is the wake up call the people needed to take action or non-action as the case may be.

JiangxiDad on July 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM

The comments are Politico are ridiculous.

But I would leave the country rather than be involved in any sort of violent uprising.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

You might not even be given that opportunity. When life gets unpleasant enough here that people start leaving (especially those with money and businesses) this government will not react so nicely. They will not be able to stand the competition from some other government offering more liberty so they will do the same as they are proposing for health care – kill the competition. It is almost assured that all collectivist governments will eventually restrict emigration in order to keep a brain/money drain from occuring, and they usually go much more draconian. This is the history of such governments. And when the sh!t hits the fan, here, there will be quite a bit of support to not let anyone leave, or not let them leave with anything. We already saw comments of this nature back when conservatives were talking about going Galt and taking off for somewhere else – even just in passing. The argument was “you owe the US and you can’t take anything with you”.

As our liberties disappear, the freedom of movement will go, too, as it has to. Secession is the only solution I see to this mess. That is the only way to break away from an out-of-control federal government that will not stop from ruling over everything in the universe and gorging itself on the blood of its productive citizenry, eventually killing itself and everything else.

It’s a shame, but there is no escape from this, as far as I see it.

Legal, non-violent protest (like a strike) is one thing. If state’s decide to pursue secession, so be it.

But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I can’t imagine secession happening without some form of Federal violence against the states.

Our men and women in uniform are, indeed, sworn to uphold the Constitution. Let’s pray that when push comes to shove, they understand which side to be on.

And all I can say is, anyone over 40 who voted for Obama is stooopid. They should start thinking about which method they prefer for euthanization right now.

So assuming we come to our senses and forget adding these millions to the health care rolls, what do we do about the existing unsustainable growth in medicare and medicaid? We can’t do anything because the American people have shown they will not accept cutbacks of middle class entitlements. Some day when there’s a crash due to no one willing to loan the US govt. any money, everyone’s medicare and medicaid will simply disappear. Start saving your $$ now. Better buy non-inflationary assets.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I made states possessive when it should simply have been plural. Oops.