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CBO director: Deficit spending unsustainable

posted at 10:55 am on July 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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CBO Director Doug Elmendorf issued a stern warning to the White House and Congress yesterday afternoon, although so far it seems few listened.  Elmendorf testified that entitlement programs will fuel a rapid increase in federal budget deficits, driven primarily by an aging population, unless significant reforms are applied:

Under current law, the federal budget is on an unsustainable path, because federal debt will continue to grow much faster than the economy over the long run. Although great uncertainty surrounds long-term fiscal projections, rising costs for health care and the aging of the population will cause federal spending to increase rapidly under any plausible scenario for current law. Unless revenues increase just as rapidly, the rise in spending will produce growing budget deficits. Large budget deficits would reduce national saving, leading to more borrowing from abroad and less domestic investment, which in turn would depress economic growth in the United States. Over time, accumulating debt would cause substantial harm to the economy. The following chart shows our projection of federal debt relative to GDP under the two scenarios we modeled.

Keeping deficits and debt from reaching these levels would require increasing revenues significantly as a share of GDP, decreasing projected spending sharply, or some combination of the two.

Measured relative to GDP, almost all of the projected growth in federal spending other than interest payments on the debt stems from the three largest entitlement programs—Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. For decades, spending on Medicare and Medicaid has been growing faster than the economy. CBO projects that if current laws do not change, federal spending on Medicare and Medicaid combined will grow from roughly 5 percent of GDP today to almost 10 percent by 2035. By 2080, the government would be spending almost as much, as a share of the economy, on just its two major health care programs as it has spent on all of its programs and services in recent years.

For most people, the obvious issues of the Baby Boomer generation entering Medicare/Social Security eligibility and the lack of a sufficient younger population to pay for their benefits would have prompted the government to significantly overhaul both programs to meet fiscal reality.  Instead, the Democrats have continued to insist that the problem of Medicare’s viability didn’t come from a huge influx of eligible members and the skyrocketing costs of caring for them, but from rises in prices for medical services.  Elmendorf completely rejects that argument, and demonstrates in the chart below that the main problem in Medicare cost growth for at least the next 25 years comes from an aging population:

Federal spending on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will grow relative to the economy both because health care spending per beneficiary is projected to increase and because the population is aging. As shown in the figure below, between now and 2035, aging is projected to make the larger contribution to the growth of spending for those three programs as a share of GDP. After 2035, continued increases in health care spending per beneficiary are projected to dominate the growth in spending for the three programs.

What happens in 25 years?  Most of the Boomers will be dead, and the population age distribution will return to normal.  At that point, the cost increases in medical care begin to balance between aging and price increases.

Therefore, the massive spending on a government takeover of the health-care industry will do nothing to halt the entitlement crisis, as the CBO also reported yesterday.  In fact, it makes the crisis worse by expanding the entitlement and forcing the government even further into deficit spending.  It attacks the problem in exactly the wrong manner.  Instead of slimming the entitlements and narrowing its focus to what can be delivered and who can be covered with the money at hand, which would actually work the problem, Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats offer a hair-of-the-dog approach with massive new government programs and costs.

That brings us to this chart, showing the percentage of federal debt in relation to GDP in the future:

In case that’s difficult to read, the CBO projects that federal debt will surpass the annual GDP of the US by 2025 in one scenario, or about 16 years from now, as the government borrows more and more money to pay for the entitlement commitments now in place.  The second baseline assumes that Congress will not adjust the alternative-minimum tax to inflation, as both parties have promised, and will allow all of the Bush tax cuts to expire.  Under that scenario, we hit 100% of GDP debt around 2040, but only because we will have hiked taxes on nearly all Americans to increase revenues enough to stave off a national default.

We need to dismantle entitlements, not expand them.  We need to stop spending money, not get more profligate.  The CBO could not possibly be more clear about this, even if Congress and the White House remain deliberately obtuse.


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Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM
You may get banned for that comment.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I know I run the risk of a banning. And frankly, I still hold out hope for a peaceful restoration, and/or secession down the road.

What I do know is that there is justification at this point for a state to secede or for calls to go out for a Constitutional Convention.

Our Founding Fathers took tremendous risk to break off from the British Empire.

Somebody will have to stick their necks out at some point and test the waters.

Even if there is no secession movement, if the economy implodes, riots will start in US cities due to fuel and food shortages. Think Argentina or other countries where chaos reigned due to a lack of sensible leadership and overbearing government.

Movements take risks.

The CBO guy took a huge risk in being honest about his numbers. It is that kind of guts that we need to fight this.

If we do not stop this madness in the 2010 elections, this country will probably head towards financial ruin.

Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM

JiangxiDad on July 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Well of course abortion will be covered. It would oppressive and misogynistic to expect people to use contraception (and barbaric even to mention abstinence).

So have unprotected sex and let Uncle Sam pay to stop that inconvenient little beating heart in your womb.

/sarc

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I’d certainly consider moving to any state (TX?) that seceded. There would seem to be some legal covering for a state to make that decision.

But I would leave the country rather than be involved in any sort of violent uprising.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Can we just start killing all the baby boomers now?

Wait a minute…no.

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM

CBO director: Deficit spending unsustainable

Has anybody said No Sh*t Sherlock, yet?

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM

But I would leave the country rather than be involved in any sort of violent uprising.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Depends on where the violence starts. If people refuse to participate in the devolution of the country, then those in power will be forced to make the first violent move.

Then it becomes self-defense, hypothetically.

How do people stop participating? Non-payment of taxes, use of alternate currency, non-compliance with laws. These are all non-violent beginnings of a sort.

Let me be clear – I’m not advocating any of those things. I’m just making the point that it doesn’t necessarily start with assassinating the Arch-Duke.

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM

We need to dismantle entitlements, not expand them.

But people are ENTITLED. What other way is there to buy voters?

Just wait until Hillary! and Timmy go to China later this month and find out the bank is closed to new loans.

GarandFan on July 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM

GarandFan on July 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Exactly.

And then, lo and behold, we find that artificially low interest rates are unsustainable, because people expect money in return for risk.

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Have not read all the posts, so not sure it’s been said. But any bets this guy gets sacked faster than you can say Archibald Cox?

Sweet_Thang on July 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Sweet_Thang on July 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM

You let the mask slip on your age on that one…

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

What happens in 25 years? Most of the Boomers will be dead, and the population age distribution will return to normal.

OK, was this just sarcasm and I missed it? If so, it was too broad for me. Maybe my Boomer-addled aged brain just can’t keep up.

If it wasn’t sarcasm, then it was a statment made out of ignorance. Simple math.

2009 + 25 = 2034. The “Boomer” generation was born in the years 1946-1964.

That means in 25 years, rather that “most” Boomers being dead, they will actually range in age from 70 to 88 years. So do all of you sweet young things out there, born after the Boomers, plan to be dead, or at least “most” of you, by the age of 70?

I know most of you wish us Boomers would just go away and die, but I’m sorry to tell you, unless we have government mandated death at the age of 60 or something, a lot of us are still going to be around in 25 years.

I guess ageism is the new racism?

labwriter on July 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Elmendorf seems like a very smart man. Why doesn’t anyone in Congress listen to him?

Romney / Elmendorf 2012?

Steve Z on July 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM

The CBO guy took a huge risk in being honest about his numbers. It is that kind of guts that we need to fight this.

If we do not stop this madness in the 2010 elections, this country will probably head towards financial ruin.

Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Elmendorf is still Obama’s appointee and I would think he puts the Administration’s agenda in the best possible light, if he can at all make that case. Imagine how bad the analysis would be if it were done by someone truly impartial.

Obama’s desperation is palpable here, this legislation would be completely reckless and irresponsible. It doesn’t seem to matter to him though. He is more concerned that he gets his centerpiece legislation so he has something to claim as an accomplishment. He puts his presidency over the re-election of the moderates that gives him a majority, puts the teetering economy well on its way over the cliff and seems not to care two hoots about the quality of the biggest effort to reform an industry that accounts for 20% of GDP, that’s quite a legacy.

msmveritas on July 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Breaking NEWS!

CBO Director discovers novel and new Economic law…

That you can’t Borrow your way out of debt.

Romeo13 on July 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM

What happens in 25 years? Most of the Boomers will be dead, and the population age distribution will return to normal. At that point, the cost increases in medical care begin to balance between aging and price increases.

Solution: Kill them all now, and speed up the “normalization”. I’m sure Robert Gibbs could rationalize it somehow

juanito on July 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

That’s why I say, full steam ahead with facism. Let’s not prolong the inevitable, let’s pass Obamacare and Crap and Trade (and toss in a few more taxes and spending programs) and get it over with as quickly as possible.

When the whole thing collapses, the military won’t be there to protect “those in power.” It’ll be open season on them.

Then we can really clean house and start anew.

UltimateBob on July 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I think they’ve already passed the threshold by pushing too far too fast.

The Obama Regime has pushed way the hell too fast on their national socialist transformation of our economy. The Clintons are FAR better politicians, when they saw what was going to happen in 1996 because of Hillarycare (and the first attempt at cap and tax, the Algore BTU tax) Bill was smart enough to hire Dick Morris.

Obama is too much of an ideologue and also way too oversold on himself to do such a thing. The only thing he knows is Chicago thug style force, the more resistance he gets, the harder he bashes heads.

The spark that ignites it, I think will be massive vote fraud perpetuated on behalf of the Obama Regime by ACORN and other criminal enterprises, starting in 2010, and ramping up in the post census 2012 election in which we very well could have an incumbent president have 60% vote against him yet still “win”. Unless they go all out Iranian on us.

All the signs are there. His coddling of Iran even as they are murdering their own people after a rigged election. His handling of the attempted coup in Honduras by the Chavista Zelaya. Everything points to Obama having totalitarian ambitions, and he’s using (and exacerbating) the economic crisis to build the national socialist foundation for total takeover.

What the hell does that amendment limiting presidents to 2 terms to a man who has already violated blatantly one of the original 10 in stealing assets from GM/Chrysler secured bondholders?

wildcat84 on July 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

How do people stop participating? Non-payment of taxes, use of alternate currency, non-compliance with laws. These are all non-violent beginnings of a sort.

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Two words: General Strike.

Initially for short time periods, longer if they don’t get the message.

Those other options will get you thrown in jail. But they can’t do that if we go on strike – at least not right now.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Romney / Elmendorf 2012?

Steve Z on July 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Elmendorf is a liberal Obama appointee.

msmveritas on July 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

For most people, the obvious issues of the Baby Boomer generation entering Medicare/Social Security eligibility and the lack of a sufficient younger population to pay for their benefits

And the libs don’t understand why we oppose abortion…..

el hombre on July 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Elmendorf is was a liberal Obama appointee.

msmveritas on July 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

FIFY

Knucklehead on July 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Liberals believe all of the projections regarding global warming, accepting the science as settled; but projections for the deficit are somehow open to interpretation.

PackerBronco on July 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Two words: General Strike.

Initially for short time periods, longer if they don’t get the message.

Those other options will get you thrown in jail. But they can’t do that if we go on strike – at least not right now.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Sooner or later the producers stop producing because the rewards for their production is being confiscated and “spread” more than they are willing to tolerate.

This has happened in every single socialist experiment ever tried, the parasites overwhelm the producers who finally quit, which causes a crisis.

Chavez has the oil wealth to keep his going, barely.

Europe imports an alien arab population hell bent on erasing their civilization from the continent.

The United States? Far too big for either to be an option, even if they were. Illegals are flooding here to become instant parasites. And if we don’t produce it (ie: food, etc) not only will we starve but so will the rest of the world.

wildcat84 on July 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
7500 Security Blvd, Baltimore, MD‎ 21244-1850

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=7500+Security+Boulevard,+Baltimore+MD++21244

Kralizec on July 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Someone has probably already said this, but it appears that Congress, out to ram through health care control, has subscribed to Joe Biden’s fiscal theory that you have to spend money to avoid bankruptcy when you are bankrupt. I’m wondering if this will become a new legal theory.

katablog.com on July 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Who cares? Didya see the opening box-office numbers for Harry Potter?

And Michael Jackson might have been murdered!

Let’s get a proper perspective. Geez

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Two words: General Strike.

Initially for short time periods, longer if they don’t get the message.

Those other options will get you thrown in jail. But they can’t do that if we go on strike – at least not right now.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Sooner or later the producers stop producing because the rewards for their production is being confiscated and “spread” more than they are willing to tolerate.

This has happened in every single socialist experiment ever tried, the parasites overwhelm the producers who finally quit, which causes a crisis.

wildcat84 on July 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Anyone with half a brain will know this to be the inevitable outcome on the course we’re taking.

The question is whether will the producers and achievers will wait for the inevitable crash or take their destiny in their own hands.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Can we just start killing all the baby boomers now?

Wait a minute…no.

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM

We might as well, our generation wasn’t worth a damn.

Jeff from WI on July 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

But I would leave the country rather than be involved in any sort of violent uprising.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Good thing the Founding Fathers didn’t feel that way.

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.

Samuel Adams

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Health reform foes plan Obama’s ‘Waterloo’

Ben Stein stole my Waterloo line.

JiangxiDad on July 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Ben Smith, that is.

JiangxiDad on July 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM

connertown on July 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Maybe she had a very good history or political Sci course covering that era.

chemman on July 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I’ll bet his picture is at the center of The O’s dart board in the O-val O-ffice

CynicalOptimist on July 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Anyone with half a brain will know this to be the inevitable outcome on the course we’re taking.

The question is whether will the producers and achievers will wait for the inevitable crash or take their destiny in their own hands.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM

How long have we known about the looming social security problem without doing anything. GWB tried a modest approach at reform and was slapped down by Pelosi as well as many in the GOP.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM

We might as well, our generation wasn’t worth a damn.

Jeff from WI on July 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Enjoy

JiangxiDad on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Good thing the Founding Fathers didn’t feel that way.

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Hi GTL.

Yes, I’m thankful for the courage of our founders.

But after rebelling, they turned around and suppressed both Shay’s Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion (which was about taxes, in fact).

Legal, non-violent protest (like a strike) is one thing. If state’s decide to pursue secession, so be it.

But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I made states possessive when it should simply have been plural. Oops.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Even talking about adding millions of people to government health care rolls with the current medicare trajectory is insane on its face. So why are none of the supposedly intelligent elites questioning this? Where is Larry Summers? Where is Colin Powell? Where are all the supposed democrat blue dog deficit hawks? I guess you can’t question the president because he’s black.

And all I can say is, anyone over 40 who voted for Obama is stooopid. They should start thinking about which method they prefer for euthanization right now.

So assuming we come to our senses and forget adding these millions to the health care rolls, what do we do about the existing unsustainable growth in medicare and medicaid? We can’t do anything because the American people have shown they will not accept cutbacks of middle class entitlements. Some day when there’s a crash due to no one willing to loan the US govt. any money, everyone’s medicare and medicaid will simply disappear. Start saving your $$ now. Better buy non-inflationary assets.

chris999 on July 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Legal, non-violent protest (like a strike) is one thing. If state’s decide to pursue secession, so be it.

But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I can’t imagine secession happening without some form of Federal violence against the states.

Our men and women in uniform are, indeed, sworn to uphold the Constitution. Let’s pray that when push comes to shove, they understand which side to be on.

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

But I would leave the country rather than be involved in any sort of violent uprising.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

You might not even be given that opportunity. When life gets unpleasant enough here that people start leaving (especially those with money and businesses) this government will not react so nicely. They will not be able to stand the competition from some other government offering more liberty so they will do the same as they are proposing for health care – kill the competition. It is almost assured that all collectivist governments will eventually restrict emigration in order to keep a brain/money drain from occuring, and they usually go much more draconian. This is the history of such governments. And when the sh!t hits the fan, here, there will be quite a bit of support to not let anyone leave, or not let them leave with anything. We already saw comments of this nature back when conservatives were talking about going Galt and taking off for somewhere else – even just in passing. The argument was “you owe the US and you can’t take anything with you”.

As our liberties disappear, the freedom of movement will go, too, as it has to. Secession is the only solution I see to this mess. That is the only way to break away from an out-of-control federal government that will not stop from ruling over everything in the universe and gorging itself on the blood of its productive citizenry, eventually killing itself and everything else.

It’s a shame, but there is no escape from this, as far as I see it.

progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

JiangxiDad on July 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM

The comments are Politico are ridiculous.

BadgerHawk on July 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM

How long have we known about the looming social security problem without doing anything. GWB tried a modest approach at reform and was slapped down by Pelosi as well as many in the GOP.
highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Maybe Fauxbama is the wake up call the people needed to take action or non-action as the case may be.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Legal, non-violent protest (like a strike) is one thing. If state’s decide to pursue secession, so be it.
But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.
jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I can’t imagine secession happening without some form of Federal violence against the states.
Our men and women in uniform are, indeed, sworn to uphold the Constitution. Let’s pray that when push comes to shove, they understand which side to be on.
guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

That’s why a Strike would be needed – before things go too far.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I can’t imagine secession happening without some form of Federal violence against the states.

Our men and women in uniform are, indeed, sworn to uphold the Constitution. Let’s pray that when push comes to shove, they understand which side to be on.

guntotinglibertarian on July 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

You aren’t going to see secession or a second civil war. Society is too interconnected.

What that doesn’t preclude is violent civil unrest and disruption of the rule of law. A government works because its citizens more or less obey the rules. Most everybody has been a speeder or jaywalker but few have opted for vigilante justice.

The long and the short of it is that as long as those responsible for maintaining the rule of law are supportive of the dictator in the White House, he will continue to rule. One rash of riots in multiple American cities and it could be all over for the filthy liar and his plots.

As Nixon learned and the Iranians just found out, images of police/Guardsmen attacking fellow citizens is a lose-lose situation. They might quell the rioting but that isn’t the same thing as restoring order because order comes out of citizens obedience. Disobedience can always lurk underground.

I’m not advocating violence or rioting because it also kills productivity. Nevertheless if we continue on the current path where one person with a cult of followers continues to destroy the nation, unemployment numbers and foreclosures continue to rise (the latter fueled by unemployment now and the mortgage crisis), and DC seems as deaf to it all as they have been…. Then riots and violence are not that far ahead of us.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Solving the government’s problem with Medicare and Medicaid is easy – Spending freeze. Done. It takes less than a page to write up and implement. Crisis over. Then the politicians will have to scramble and try to get more out of the dollars, but the US would no longer be held hostage by these (illegal and un-Consitutional) programs.

Anything other than a permanent spending freeze on Medicare and Medicaid is an attempt to subvert the Constitution (more than it already has been) and any “reforms” that take place without a spending freeze are Trojan Horses that ought to get their sponsors and signers immediately thrown into jail.

Why are people letting them muck around with our private health care in order to divert attention from the public payouts that are driving us to ruin? These Dems need to be confronted head-on, instead of the milquetoasts who agree with them that “the system needs reform”. Bullsh!t!! Public programs need to be put under strict control. Private health care has nothing to do with that, and any attempt to conflate the two is a disingenuous ruse.

progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Why are people letting them muck around with our private health care in order to divert attention from the public payouts that are driving us to ruin? These Dems need to be confronted head-on, instead of the milquetoasts who agree with them that “the system needs reform”.
progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Why did the Germans let Hitler do what he did? Yes, I am throwing out a Nazi reference on a Friday PM.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Palin/Olmendorf 2012!

At least he could be the budget director in the Palin administration.

promachus on July 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Romney / Elmendorf 2012?

Steve Z on July 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Personally, I’d like to see

Palin / Bolton 2012

Or, the ‘Cuda and the ’stache

UltimateBob on July 17, 2009 at 2:13 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on July 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM

MVE, I am going to write to Senator Ben Nelson (D) today. He doesn’t come up for re-election until 2012, but I am going to remind him that we will remember his vote on Health Scam. All three Representatives here in Nebraska are conservative as is Senator Johanns.

I hope everyone on HotAir writes or calls their Senators.

yoda on July 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Why did the Germans let Hitler do what he did?

It was easier to just let it happen. And they hated Jews, anyway.

Yes, I am throwing out a Nazi reference on a Friday PM.

highhopes on July 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM

If the shoe fits … And The Precedent’s shoe fits Hitler’s too damn closely for comfort.

progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 2:34 PM

It’s a shame, but there is no escape from this, as far as I see it.

progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Well, given the government’s inability to keep people from coming *in* through the borders, I doubt that they’ll have much success at keeping people like me from crossing in the other direction. (:

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

You’d be surprised at what they can do when they set their minds to it. Our government has no problem “torturing” Americans (as in SERE training) but they go apoplectic if we spill water over the faces of terrorists bent on our destruction. They will be truly ruthless with Americans trying to leave, while they don’t even see any aliens coming in. It takes me back to the days of refuseniks in the USSR, who were sent to Siberia for even applying for an exit visa … I’ll have to get the old bracelets out, but put my name on them, now. Oh well.

progressoverpeace on July 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM

What is it gonna take to start forming Patriot Cells and Militias and ramp up for the insurrection?We need a Red State Rebellion and a new Constitutional Convention NOW.

Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM

_______________________

How do we form Patriot Cells, w/o ACORN’s Brownshirts or the FBI showing up at our door? I really wanna know and ready to sign up.

luvstotango on July 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Damnit! Who has read “Atlas Shrugged”?

What would John Galt do?

Sapwolf on July 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Anyone with half a brain will know this to be the inevitable outcome on the course we’re taking.

The question is whether will the producers and achievers will wait for the inevitable crash or take their destiny in their own hands.

Chainsaw56 on July 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I just hope the producers have the good sense to to do the latter… make it easier on all of us.

And to all you producers out there: you have my support!

Chaz706 on July 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Does best C-3PO impression: “We’re doomed!”

Yakko77 on July 17, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Well, given the government’s inability to keep people from coming *in* through the borders, I doubt that they’ll have much success at keeping people like me from crossing in the other direction. (:

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Our government is not unable to keep foreigners from illegally crossing our borders; it is unwilling to do so.

There’s a big difference.

AZCoyote on July 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM

“Mr. Elmendorf. We’re concerned about the state of your mental health. Perhaps you should consider…”

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 17, 2009 at 8:17 PM

But taking up arms against our men in uniform, sworn to uphold the Constitution? Not for me, ever.

jazz_piano on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I don’t believe we’ll be going against our sons and daughters, in uniform, something pretty unthinkable to me as well.

It’s why Obama wants those Brownshirts organized, within the next two years…oh, and they’ll be black, from a different tribe, against whiteys. Much like the Chinese, they bring in an army from a distant region, so they won’t be shooting their own kind. The same tactic as the Iranians are doing now.

luvstotango on July 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM

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