Does ObamaCare outlaw private insurance?

posted at 8:47 am on July 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Investors Business Daily’s editors quickly read through the actual legislation of the House health-care reform bill looking for hidden time bombs — and they found a doozy.  On page 16 of over a thousand pages of text, they discovered a clause that essentially locks people into their current plan, and locks everyone out of any other plan.  Well, presumably the public plan will be an exception:

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of “Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage,” the “Limitation On New Enrollment” section of the bill clearly states:

“Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day” of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won’t be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

Surprise!  You can, as Obama promised, keep your current coverage — as long as it remains available.  However, if your employer stops offering health-care benefits, or if you buy it privately and your insurer cancels your plan, you can’t just pick up another private plan.  Enrollments will be closed as of the first day the bill becomes law.

That will have the effect of forcing millions of people into the public plan whether they want it or not.  Even worse, if insurers get barred from attracting new customers — which this clause outlaws — then they will eventually see their rolls drained, thanks to the natural flow of the market as employers drop plans and skip the expense of offering medical insurance.  It won’t take long at all for insurers to exit the market and leave the field for just the public plan, which will automatically get the customers of each individual insurer as they close up shop.

Does this bill outlaw private insurance?  Literally, no, but in practical terms, it makes it an endangered species and creates an American single-payer system by default.

It has to pass first, though, and Blue Dog Democrats say they’ve seen enough:

Centrist Democrats are threatening to oppose their party’s healthcare legislation unless House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) accepts changes that make the bill more to their liking.

Seven Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have banded together to draft amendments that they’ll co-sponsor in the committee markup, which starts Thursday. Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the Blue Dogs’ point man on healthcare, says if those changes aren’t accepted, they’ll vote down the bill.

“We cannot support the current bill,” Ross said. “Last time I checked, it took seven Democrats to stop a bill in Energy and Commerce.” …

Blue Dogs think the bill fails to do enough to reduce healthcare costs, jeopardizes jobs with a fee on employers that don’t provide health insurance, and would base a government-run healthcare plan on a Medicare payment system that already penalizes their rural districts.

Michelle has the names to call this week to encourage them to vote against this bill.

Update: Instapundit gets this feedback from a reader:

Investor’s Business Daily did not continue to read the bill to page 19. “Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan. ”

It does not outlaw individual private coverage – you can still buy the plan on the Exchange where they will compete with the public option, not be replaced by it. The advantage of the Exchange, is that the coverage no longer has one of the problems of individual coverage – skyrocketing premiums should you become ill.

Well, that may address the issue, but price-fixing premiums means insurers can’t cover the costs of the risk they assume.  Either the insurers will have to start with higher premiums to cover their costs, or they will go out of business when usage increases and premiums remain fixed.  Forcing insurers into price-fixing schemes only adds another step to their extinction.


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not unless you ever plan on being self-employed, ever plan to change your current coverage, or ever plan to participate in what would be left of a free market health insurance, so, nope, it sure doesn’t outlaw private insurance.

gatorboy on July 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM

and the hits just keep on coming…..

cmsinaz on July 16, 2009 at 8:50 AM

This is something right out of the pages of “Atlas Shrugged.” These O-Socialists are evil people. Ask the American Indians about nationalized health care, ask vets, ask Medicare recipients. How’s that working out.

AmTrack has taught us everything we need to know about government run anything.

Mojave Mark on July 16, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Why can’t I wake up from this nightmare?

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM

That’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane -
Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -
world serves its own needs, regardless of your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,
down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for
hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn’t coming in a hurry with the furies
breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered
crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,
common group, but it’ll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its
own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the
reverent in the right – right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright
light, feeling pretty psyched.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o’clock – TV hour. Don’t get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn,
return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning,
blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle,
light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
this means no fear – cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
and I decline.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mount St. Edelite.
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic,
slam, but neck, right? Right.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine…fine…

doriangrey on July 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM

I don’t see how this passes both the House and Senate. Sure, the House Dems are for the most part beholden to Pelosi and completely oblivious to the anger of the American people(which is odd since they’re the ones who have to run for re-election every 2 years). But the Senate will have too many members who get cold feet just like they’ve gotten with crap-and-betrayed.

Doughboy on July 16, 2009 at 8:54 AM

THIS will kill ObamaCare

Americans, libs and cons, will indeed try new things as the pendulum shifts…

…but to ELIMINATE choice, to say “you are BANNED from xyz”, well, that makes people’s blood boil.

People revolt when their local government outlaws fireworks… just wait and see what happens when they outlaw health care that keeps you alive and healthy!

battleoflepanto1571 on July 16, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Why can’t I wake up from this nightmare?

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Sigh…. Because you are not asleep and it’s not a nightmare… WELCOME TO HELL…

doriangrey on July 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM

These people are insane.

There it is. They are OBSESSED with control. They salivate and get aroused at the thought of telling people what to do.

What a disturbing group of people. They view people as cattle, and themselves as the herders.

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Ok I’m going to say it

I f*cking HATE these people

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM

The Witch will find a way to cover those dem votes she needs to pass this crap bill. These people are damn determined to take over every thing in our lives. They will tax us into submission to pay for all of this. Get ready to stand in bread and cheese lines.

Kissmygrits on July 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Aye, there’s the rub: as long as private coverage is available.

Private insurers make their profits by enrolling healthy young people who pay premiums that subsidize the costly aging insured.

As soon as this becomes law, private insurers will close shop to protect profits. Why watch your profits slowly be drained away to pay for benefits for the elderly when you have no new blood coming into the system to replenish it?

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM

We are all Blue Dog Democrats now.

Let’s roll.

jeff_from_mpls on July 16, 2009 at 8:57 AM

I’m going to start eating my fruits and veggies

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM

It’s strange that they would put this on page 16, where there was a chance that someone would read it.

They should have put this on page 216 or 816 because nobody is going to get that far into the bill.

Or heck, just redact it and leave one of those lovely “placeholders” in the space and then add in this after the bill passes.

myrenovations on July 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I’m going to start eating my fruits and veggies

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM

You need to give up your beloved beer too…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:00 AM

I put this front and center on my facebook page and e-mailed people in my contact list who I rarely contact at all.

I am willing to piss people off to get the word out on this.

keebs on July 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Sigh…. Because you are not asleep and it’s not a nightmare… WELCOME TO HELL…

doriangrey on July 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Next time…just lie to me.

Please.

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM

On what Constitutional basis can the Congress even address this matter? Time for a massive citizen lawsuit if they pass this mess.

johnsteele on July 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM

The extent to which Obama and the Dems are willing to lie, obfuscate and pull shenanigans with semantics about this bill in order to get it pushed through should be an obvious red flag for us all.

Why do they need to get it done so quickly? What’s the emergency? I can only surmise that they want to get it through and signed before the American people have had time to become informed about the particulars of this Trojan Horse for single-payer, socialized medicine. (No thanks to the MSM).

I hope someone with a national voice will have the intestinal fortitude to call out Dear Leader on his distortions, half-truths, and outright lies regarding so-called health care reform.

hillbillyjim on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Socialized healthcare is coming. It may be a few years. It may be a decade. Democracy is coming. As much as the wealthy and powerful minority want to stop it, it’s coming like the tide.

greggish on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Even worse, if insurers get barred from attracting new customers — which this clause outlaws — then they will eventually see their rolls drained, thanks to the natural flow of the market as employers drop plans and skip the expense of offering medical insurance.

As the rolls get drained, the cost of insurance skyrockets as the risk pool concentrates with those who already have health issues. The healthcare bill is intended to be phased in over several years, and I suspect that the congcritters realize that by time it is fully operational, the vast majority of insurers will already be out of business, or ready to close. If the insurers close up shop sooner than projections, hello real healthcare crisis.

ICBM on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Does this bill outlaw private insurance? Literally, no, but in practical terms, it makes it an endangered species and creates an American single-payer system by default.

And Nancy effing Pelosi, the whore in charge of the House is pushing this crap through with no intent of letting these little nuggets out before the completed legislation is on the filthy liar’s desk for signature.

It is criminal (and I mean that literally) that this kind of legislation can be passed without full vetting and on an entirely party-line basis. BTW, I understand that Olympia Snowe and Chuck Grassley are going wobbly in the Senate.

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

However, if your employer stops offering health-care benefits, or if you buy it privately and your insurer cancels your plan, you can’t just pick up another private plan. Enrollments will be closed as of the first day the bill becomes law.

That’s simply not what the bill says. The quoted passage is under the headline: “GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED” and that’s exactly what it does. It defines grandfathered coverage as existing coverage before the law was passed. After this point you will be able to go to the insurance exchange and buy private or public policies. Why would they set up an exchange if no one could participate in it?

They are changing the rules for all insurance (updating the regulation requirements), so it’s basically saying that after the law is in effect you won’t be able to buy a plan with the old rules. It gives a timeline for existing plans to change and some other rules (such as price increases, etc).

To make my point, a mere three pages later is a quote that defeats the entire premise of this article:

(1) INGENERAL.—Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

You need to give up your beloved beer too…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:00 AM

its true

i mean seriously — i had better start getting my diet together, working out again, and getting uber healthy so i dont need to go to a hospital

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

This is why I hope Obama fails.

BPD on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

The democrats are all about power and control and are attempting to legislate our rights away, so be it…laws, we don’t need know stinkin’ laws. The seeds of sedition are about to germinate!

dmann on July 16, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Aye, there’s the rub: as long as private coverage is available.

Private insurers make their profits by enrolling healthy young people who pay premiums that subsidize the costly aging insured.

As soon as this becomes law, private insurers will close shop to protect profits. Why watch your profits slowly be drained away to pay for benefits for the elderly when you have no new blood coming into the system to replenish it?

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM

As soon as this becomes law all the young healthy people without insurance (lots of them!) will be required to buy insurance so the private insurance companies should be scrambling to get that business.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM

This whole thing has less to do with making sure that all Americans have access to affordable health care and more to do with consolidating power and influence in Washington.

Seriously people do you really want a colossal jack ass like Barney Frank and any number of other progressive Liberal stooges in the house and Senate to have the ability and power to make decisions about the sort of health care you can have access to? You just have to look at the abject mess that Frank and his cronies made of the Housing markets to realise what absolute disaster turning over responsibility for everyone’s health care to the Government is going to be.

Dreadnought223 on July 16, 2009 at 9:05 AM

its true

i mean seriously — i had better start getting my diet together, working out again, and getting uber healthy so i dont need to go to a hospital

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Yes…no beer, no wine, no hotdogs, no WINGS!!!!

Gonna be dull, man…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I don’t see how this passes both the House and Senate.

Doughboy on July 16, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Heh. I thought the same thing about Crap-N-Tax.

VibrioCocci on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

I’m going to start eating my fruits and veggies

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM

You need to give up your beloved beer too…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:00 AM

You must learn that everything you do must be for the benefit of the state and not the other way around

darwin on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

When you come to get my beer, you will have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

syncrodude on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Democracy is coming
greggish on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

????

dmann on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Troll or an apologist for the filthy liar and his corrupt party?

Doesn’t really matter. The de facto result of this legislation will make it too expensive for employers or individuals to get anything but the public plan. That’s not an unintended consequence IT IS WHAT THE FILTHY LIAR AND HIS PARTY HAVE DESIGNED INTO THE BILL!!!

Nobody can be so effing stupid that they can’t see this for what it is. That doesn’t mean that you trolls won’t go ahead and pretend that the filthy liar’s plan will mean free unfettered healthcare for all at no cost to the taxpayer.

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Anyone bought any private crop insurance lately. It not illegal, but it doesn’t exist in competition with taxpayer subsidized Federal Crop Insurance.

tmitsss on July 16, 2009 at 9:07 AM

I put this front and center on my facebook page and e-mailed people in my contact list who I rarely contact at all.

I am willing to piss people off to get the word out on this.

keebs on July 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Probably should have waited to find out it was true first… It’s not. Private insurance will be alive and well with more customers than ever. Without pre-existing condition limitations even so you’ll actually be able to buy it.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Tell me there’s not 100s of other clauses like this littered throughout this thing. Of course they have to get this done yesterday – if people had a chance to read it, it would be DOA. Once all insurance is gov’t run, the reimbursement rates will be chopped to Medicare-like levels, driving most for-profit hospitals out of business. Where to then? Gov’t takeover of existing hospitals, or massive building of new gov’t health centers? Where ya gonna get the doctors? Unlike most half-baked liberal plans, this one is barely cooked.

Mr. Pickles on July 16, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Rep. Hoekstra was on Morning Joe today, and he analogized healthcare to student loans. In student loans, about a decade ago, Congress created a private market but maintained a public source for student loans “to keep the private market honest.”

Guess what, Congress is no considering legislation to eliminate the private market in student loans.

Hoekstra said we’re at a fork in the road: the Dem road, which will eventually lead to government run healthcare or the GOP road, which would lead to a variety of options.

Fork in the road.

BuckeyeSam on July 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Looks like these guys have all their bases covered. I wonder what this will all look like in 20 years. Will we end up like the Canadians or the Brits? Occasionally shopping the markets for certain high risk high reward medical treatment, but insisting that it is better than going bankrupt over an illness? Or will we prefer to see our peers lose their livelihoods over cancer or surgery?

ernesto on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Fork in the road.

BuckeyeSam on July 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM

F*ck that fork…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Thacker Agency needs to get in this thread to whack the troll.

myrenovations on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

pretend that the filthy liar’s plan will mean free unfettered healthcare for all at no cost to the taxpayer.

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

And THIS is why alot of people think that this mess is okay. They do not think about how this is going to be paid for. They have no clue about the current condition of Medicare and Medicaid.

They just want something for “nothing”.

keebs on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

As soon as this becomes law all the young healthy people without insurance (lots of them!) will be required to buy insurance so the private insurance companies should be scrambling to get that business.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM

And the filthy liar’s public plan will undercut them with public money. If you are a healthy twenty something are you going to enroll with the more expensive plan or go with the filthy liar’s options.

BTW, you troll, you act as if the free market is in play on this issue it isn’t the filthy liar’s intent is to shut out the free market and take over the health systems just as he has the auto industy, the banking industry, and the home mortgage industry. Wake up and smell the socialism you mindless tool of the left!

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Why can’t I wake up from this nightmare?

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Sigh…. Because you are not asleep and it’s not a nightmare… WELCOME TO HELL…

doriangrey on July 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Exactly.

zeebeach on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

John, where is it in the Constitution that government can take over car companies or financial companies? A lawsuit or three should be brewing.

c.u.shoeless on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Get the eff out of my life!!!

And remember, anything they say they won’t do, doesn’t stop them from doing later. Or, as people pointed out, forcing private insurance out of business.

Does anyone have a link to download the text of the entire bill?

Blake on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

ernesto on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

You do realize this will kill research and development of medicine, treatments and equipment, don’t you?

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I was furious, livid, spitting nails as I was watching Fox News morning show and I thought this should be HEADLINE NEWS. Instead when they got to HeathCare talk, you had goofy Doocy and the blonde chick and Newt Gingrich and they did not even mention it. A lot of giggling and talk of “well, with my proposal….”

This ILLEGAL to purchase private insurance for any American citizen should kill this bill if the public KNOWS ABOUT IT!

Marcus on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Troll or an apologist for the filthy liar and his corrupt party?

Doesn’t really matter. The de facto result of this legislation will make it too expensive for employers or individuals to get anything but the public plan. That’s not an unintended consequence IT IS WHAT THE FILTHY LIAR AND HIS PARTY HAVE DESIGNED INTO THE BILL!!!

Nobody can be so effing stupid that they can’t see this for what it is. That doesn’t mean that you trolls won’t go ahead and pretend that the filthy liar’s plan will mean free unfettered healthcare for all at no cost to the taxpayer.

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Neither, just someone who’s actually read large parts of the bill and would rather argue about the facts than talking points either side put up.

This article presented a “fact”. It was demonstrably false and pointing that out should be helpful and is definitely not trolling. There are plenty of problems with the bill (there are also plenty of problems with the existing system), but this is certainly not one of them.

If you want to argue against the bill, do so with facts and not FUD.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

It’s strange that they would put this on page 16, where there was a chance that someone would read it.

They should have put this on page 216 or 816 because nobody is going to get that far into the bill.

myrenovations on July 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Good point. But in fact it shouldn’t be so hard to find these deal-breakers in the congressional documents.

Are there not thousands of top tier conservative bloggers who could divide and conquer the document? It seems to me some smart fellow would organize a project where 1000 bloggers are each assigned 1 page of the bill to scour with a fine tooth comb and to report back to the project manager. Have a central repository where the really consequential findings would get recommended up in importance by readers who obviously have a wealth of practical knowledge.

The nuggets would be spotted very quickly, practically in real time.

Forced transparency!

Wouldn’t that be possible?

jeff_from_mpls on July 16, 2009 at 9:11 AM

This ILLEGAL to purchase private insurance for any American citizen should kill this bill if the public KNOWS ABOUT IT!

Marcus on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

It wasn’t on the news because it’s not true. Read the bill, don’t listen to the spin.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

all the young healthy people without insurance (lots of them!) will be required to buy insurance

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM

This doesn’t bother you? (Of course not!)

Sheep. Blind, suicidal sheep.

The Constitution needs to be resurrected.

hillbillyjim on July 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

What is so bad about allowing people to shop across state lines

Allowing people to customize their plans

what is so bad about that?

oh
wait

some bureaucrat can’t be involved
poor bureaucrat

bureaucrats are like moles
always trying to crawl up your a$$ with their charts, pens, and paperwork, telling you what to do.

“blah blah blah do this you need this you must sign that blah blah blah here’s a fee here is a penalty blah blah blah cancer? oh that sucks, you have to wait, blah blah blah, oh, this illegal needs a kidney, we’re taking yours, blah blah blah!”

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

i mean seriously — i had better start getting my diet together, working out again, and getting uber healthy so i dont need to go to a hospital

blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

That sounds good, doesn’t it? Would be nice if it were that simple.

Just had a conversation with an acquaintance who found out she has breast cancer. All she kept saying was, “how can this be happening to me? I exercise, I eat only healthy things, I’ve done everything right!”

There are no guarantees, even if you do everything right. I say go ahead and live the way you want!

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Just remember that there is always the possibility that a failure to pass cap n trade and socialized medicine may be seen as Obama’s Waterloo. Maybe, just maybe, the overreach has happened, and it’s all downhill for him from now on, and uphill for us.

JiangxiDad on July 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Does anyone have a link to download the text of the entire bill?

Blake on July 16, 2009 at 9:10 AM

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM

How ironic that ernesto, mr libertarian, is all for government run healthcare.

Blake on July 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Private insurance will be alive and well with more customers than ever.

Private health insurance will get shoved out of the way. People will never pay for something that they can get for free, never.

If this is passed, and Medicare reimbursements are decreased abruptly, hospital systems will fall apart and we will see unprecedented job loss in communities where the health care systems are primary employers.

keebs on July 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM

It wasn’t on the news because it’s not true. Read the bill, don’t listen to the spin.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Because we all know that if you hear it on the news it’s true!

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Really, this just gets us closer to the time when the parasites outnumber the producers. And when that happens, and Atlas shrugs, how long will it take for them to bleed the host dry? This will be the real test of American resiliency.

Mr. Pickles on July 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM

They just want something for “nothing”.

keebs on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Actually they want everything for nothing. Managed healthcare is all about rationing. The filthy liar and his supporters are actually out there claiming that nobody will be turned away for any condition under a plan that claims to provide full universal care for all without any additional cost to the taxpayer. It is all a big lie and everybody should see it for what it is!!!

If the filthy liar wants to go forward with this plan he needs to be honest in how much it is going to cost and who is going to be stuck paying the bill for the slackers.

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM

call your congresscritters today. did you call them yesterday as i suggested? call them even if they are supporting it because they might whisper to another congresscritter that they are getting calls against this.

and go to their local offices & tell these jerks personally. the staffers at these local offices surely have some sway. certainly more than i.

kelley in virginia on July 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM

The biggest winner in this mess will be La Raza and the millions of illegals in this country. La Raza has been lobbying hard for this.

Expect the gates to be overrun with illegals.

Good read on Soviet health care.

darwin on July 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Oh, and where is the clause that exempts congress from this crappy legislation? You know it’s in there.

Blake on July 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM

JiangxiDad on July 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM

I sure hope so, but with the MSM promoting this crap for Obama, ugh……

cmsinaz on July 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I was on the phone with a BCBS rep yesterday and I asked her if they were actively involved in (stopping) the healthcare bill. Her answer was emphatic: YES!

She stated their CEO is currently in Washington representing the health insurance companies. I felt at least a little reassured, simply because they bring big guns to the table whereas I am a lone voice. Sometimes, those big lobbyists work in your favor.

Health insurers know what they are about to lose.

Thunderstorm129 on July 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Do you wanna get paid to spread Obama think?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/gov/1272054051.html

Actually, it won’t be a bad idea to join. You would get paid to learn first hand how they spread their propaganda and when you meet people to do that “grass roots” work, you could always use your own message and words. ;)

pearson on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

This doesn’t bother you? (Of course not!)

Sheep. Blind, suicidal sheep.

The Constitution needs to be resurrected.

hillbillyjim on July 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Not at all–society is much better off if everyone has insurance. It’s immoral to not fix someone when they are injured, but if they don’t have insurance those costs just get passed to the rest of us. I’m a blind sheep because I want everyone to have health insurance (like they do in every other industrialized nation).

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

How does this encourage private insurers to compete with government, which is a big part of the rationale Obama has given for this? It has precisely the opposite effect – if you can’t enroll new insurees, there is no reason to improve your plans; the only incentive is to reduce your prices to keep those you currently have from dropping yours for the government plan. But you can’t attract new clients by doing so, can’t take advantage of any economy of scale. And so this clause will drive those private insurers under and is obviously intended to do so.

ProfessorMiao on July 16, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Wouldn’t that be possible?

jeff_from_mpls on July 16, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Should be.

myrenovations on July 16, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Sure, the ‘rats might pull this and a few other nuggets from the bill, but we will still be left with a pile of turds which WILL get passed.

Then later the ‘rats will surreptitiously add the missing nuggets into highway appropriations bills or something. They want it and aren’t about to let the American public keep them from having it.

Bishop on July 16, 2009 at 9:17 AM

his supporters are actually out there claiming that nobody will be turned away for any condition under a plan that claims to provide full universal care for all without any additional cost to the taxpayer.

Sure, you’ll be “covered”. But, will that mean you will get treated? Maybe not.

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 9:17 AM

We are in the 1960′s Soviet Union, people. Did you see on top of Drudge the report of “hiring at 12-16 dollars an hour” to push this plan “in the grassroots”? Meet jonknee.

Marcus on July 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Universal health insurance and universal hell-care are not the same things…this is not universal health insurance…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Private health insurance will get shoved out of the way. People will never pay for something that they can get for free, never.

keebs on July 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM

The public plan isn’t free. It will be priced about the same as private plans. Well unless the government really is that inefficient and in that case it will be priced higher.

If you are poor and need a subsidy you can use that for any health plan you want, public or private.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Theses dirty sob’s got elected by lies (running as centrists), and now they rule by lies.

When voters realize what Obama is doing to this country, the backlash should keep “progressives” out of power for decades to come…
unless they can first institutionalize their power with amnesty and socialized medicine.

petefrt on July 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM

If this is passed, and Medicare reimbursements are decreased abruptly, hospital systems will fall apart and we will see unprecedented job loss in communities where the health care systems are primary employers.

Exactly. This is just another prong of the attack on the economy.

pearson on July 16, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Do you wanna get paid to spread Obama think?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/gov/1272054051.html

Actually, it won’t be a bad idea to join. You would get paid to learn first hand how they spread their propaganda and when you meet people to do that “grass roots” work, you could always use your own message and words. ;)

pearson on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Great idea! I wonder though: do they check your voter registration to see if you’re a Dem or Rep?

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Thunderstorm129 on July 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I was just wondering about Connecticut…isn’t it the insurance capital?

cmsinaz on July 16, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Not at all–society is much better off if everyone has insurance. It’s immoral to not fix someone when they are injured, but if they don’t have insurance those costs just get passed to the rest of us.

So, either force them to buy insurance or make the rest of us pay for their insurance, right?

pearson on July 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The slow drip towards socialized medicine just became a torrent.

I’d find it hard to believe that this is even remotely legal – effectively eliminating a private enterprise’s ability to do business. No wonder POTUS is rushing this through for passing before the August recess.

redfoxbluestate on July 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Universal health insurance and universal hell-care are not the same things…this is not universal health insurance…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Yes. It. Is. Everyone will be required to have health insurance or be fined equivalent to what it would cost to get health insurance. If you don’t get it through work you get it on your own. If you can’t afford it you get a subsidy. But everyone will have it, that’s kinda the point of the whole bill.

How does this encourage private insurers to compete with government, which is a big part of the rationale Obama has given for this? It has precisely the opposite effect – if you can’t enroll new insurees, there is no reason to improve your plans; the only incentive is to reduce your prices to keep those you currently have from dropping yours for the government plan. But you can’t attract new clients by doing so, can’t take advantage of any economy of scale. And so this clause will drive those private insurers under and is obviously intended to do so.

ProfessorMiao on July 16, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Because you will be able to enroll new people (this article is baseless and false), it’s just the regulation will change and you won’t be able to enroll people with the old rules. Pretty common sense. Read the bill, not the spin.

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM

I’m a blind sheep because I want everyone to have health insurance (like they do in every other industrialized nation).

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Yeah, why don’t you tell us how well it’s working in those nations. Poor care, horrific hygiene, escalating death rates, expensive medicines withheld, the elderly refused and left to die.

Yeah … working great. I’m sure you’ll sleep so much better at night knowing the best health care in the world is now a memory. Perhaps you’ll take it upon yourself to visit those dying but refused life saving drugs and treatment.

darwin on July 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM

I’m a blind sheep because I want everyone to have health insurance

Insurance doesn’t necessarily mean “care” nor does it in any way guarantee good or competent care; would you find it immoral if someone were told they needed to have their leg amputated rather than saved with a complicated and expensive procedure because of a rationed system?

Why don’t we provide medical care to the entire world, for that matter, go beyond our own citizens, you know, just to be moral?

Bishop on July 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM

This will be the end of Omamacare in the same way Hillarycare was destroyed. The insurance companies will pour in the cash to kill it.

wildcat84 on July 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM

You do realize this will kill research and development of medicine, treatments and equipment, don’t you?

It will kill a lot of things.

I wonder how Dem fundraising is going now. I mean, other than foreign laundered money…

The trial lawyers won’t have anyone left worth suing. I guess they were also too stupid to realize the people they support will kill everything they touch.

I can’t imagine any non-union, non-federal employee supporting these people any longer.

reaganaut on July 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM

F*ck that fork…

ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM

I think the response is to be sure to go down the correct prong.

BuckeyeSam on July 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM

“However, if your employer stops offering health-care benefits, or if you buy it privately and your insurer cancels your plan, you can’t just pick up another private plan.”

If I were running an insurance plan, I’d offer a lifetime plan for 50 cents, no co-pay required, which will pay for the notice that you are enrolled, just so you’d be on the roll in case you need to switch plans.

Dusty on July 16, 2009 at 9:23 AM

It’s immoral to not fix someone when they are injured,

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Define “fix”

Would that be an open ended obligation on the part of the taxpayers or a ‘fixed’ or rationed amount of care?

Chainsaw56 on July 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Heh. I thought the same thing about Crap-N-Tax.

VibrioCocci on July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Crap-and-betrayed is stalled in the Senate. A month ago it may have passed, but with Obama’s numbers sinking and the economy in the toilet, Congress is very apprehensive about passing any sort of tax increase right now.

And even thought the drive-bys will never admit it, the phone calls, e-mails, and protests by the American people have played a big role.

Doughboy on July 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 9:20 AM

I don’t know. But it would also make for some great blogs once the gig is up. It would be interesting to learn how someone gets paid $15/hour to spread leftist propaganda. It would be interesting to hear first hand accounts of what they spew.

pearson on July 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Just remember that there is always the possibility that a failure to pass cap n trade and socialized medicine may be seen as Obama’s Waterloo. Maybe, just maybe, the overreach has happened, and it’s all downhill for him from now on, and uphill for us.

JiangxiDad on July 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM

That’s what happened to Clinton in 1993-94. First, he lost his stimulus bill (a laughable $16 billion). Later, he lost a crime prevention bill if memory serves (of course the title had nothing to do with the content, it was a pork bill). I remember eating dinner and seeing the news come across that Clinton’s pork bill was defeated, and I felt a little thrill in the leg, something good was in the air.

Ominous it was: President William Jefferson Clinton never regained the image of the man from Hope. He struggled for the rest of his presidency. I remember every year before his State of the Union address, commentators would stroke their chins and ask if this was the speech in which Mr. Clinton would discover his core principles. But it never happened. Each one was an hour-and-a-half of ad hoc blather, never a memorable line. Never the eternal “Ask not what your country can do for you…” or “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall…”. He’s very much like Obama in these respects.

And Clinton ended his career in disgrace. To this day he continues trying to build a legacy retro-actively but I suspect even he knows it’s too late.

It’s a very appropriate place in history he’s been condemned to. Obama may well join him. The second black president!

jeff_from_mpls on July 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Great idea! I wonder though: do they check your voter registration to see if you’re a Dem or Rep?

Puddleglum on July 16, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Enemies of the Obama Regime will go to the end of the line. If at all.

Given how he’s politicized everything else I don’t doubt it.

wildcat84 on July 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM

These members of the House of Representatives no longer represent the people. If it wasn’t crystal clear before, this should clarify their treason.

It has now come to the point where a few of them need to be figuratively hung from a lamp post in the town square. Enough of them so that the rest get the message,.

I say figuratively, instead of literally, so that I don’t get sent to the re-education camp before the fight begins. I want my shot at the realignment of attitudes.

Yoop on July 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM

The public plan isn’t free. It will be priced about the same as private plans. Well unless the government really is that inefficient and in that case it will be priced higher.

If you are poor and need a subsidy you can use that for any health plan you want, public or private.

Classic.

reaganaut on July 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM

jonknee on July 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Hey troll, if you want this plan, how do you propose paying for it? More specifically who pays.

I’m willing to bet you are one of those people without assets, a job, or anything else that would put you at a disadvantage under the filthy liar’s plan. Non-parasites don’t appreciate having to pick up the slack for your kind.

highhopes on July 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM

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