Bombshell: CBO chief tells Congress ObamaCare will “significantly expand” federal spending; Report: Bipartisan deal close?
posted at 2:20 pm on July 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
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I’m using “bombshell” unironically. You and I know that it’ll explode spending but The One’s actually been pitching this boondoggle — insanely — as a cost-saving measure, even though it’s common knowledge that ObamaCare 1.0, a.k.a. Medicare, is well on its way to bankrupting America.
The cat’s all the way out of the bag now.
Conrad: Dr. Elmendorf, I am going to really put you on the spot because we are in the middle of this health care debate, but it is critically important that we get this right. Everyone has said, virtually everyone, that bending the cost curve over time is critically important and one of the key goals of this entire effort. From what you have seen from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve?
Elmendorf: No, Mr. Chairman. In the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs…
As we wrote in our letter to you and Senator Gregg, the creation of a new subsidy for health insurance, which is a critical part of expanding health insurance coverage in our judgement, would by itself increase the federal responsibility for health care that raises federal spending on health care. It raises the amount of activity that is growing at this unsustainable rate and to offset that there has to be very substantial reductions in other parts of the federal commitment to health care, either on the tax revenue side through changes in the tax exclusion or on the spending side through reforms in Medicare and Medicaid. Certainly reforms of that sort are included in some of the packages, and we are still analyzing the reforms in the House package. Legislation was only released as you know two days ago. But changes we have looked at so far do not represent the fundamental change on the order of magnitude that would be necessary to offset the direct increase in federal health costs from the insurance coverage proposals.
It’s a month to the day since the first time Elmendorf kneecapped Hopenchange by announcing that not only would an early iteration of ObamaCare cost a trillion dollars over the next decade, it would still leave millions uninsured. The money question now: Will this further embolden the Blue Dogs to torpedo the House bill? They’ve got tons of media momentum behind them, believe it or not. Drudge is leading with the New York Post’s story about a 57% combined income tax rate in New York City on top earners once the ObamaCare surtax passes while ABC flags a study showing that combined top tax rates in fully 39 states will soar to over 50% as well. The public’s not buying The One’s crap about how the rich are going to pay for this either: According to Rasmussen, 78% expect the tax burden for ObamaCare to trickle down to the middle class. And in McClatchy’s new poll, the split between those who think expanding coverage is top priority and those who think top priority is controlling costs is now just two points, within the margin of error — even as the number who say the country’s on the right track has dropped 12 points since June, confirming the Hotline poll from yesterday. Like Karl says, the mask is off and The One’s political capital is at ebb tide. If fiscal conservatives can’t stop ObamaCare now — or at least vastly improve it — then we never will.
Update: Even supersquishy Olympia Snowe’s getting cold feet:
But beyond policy, Snowe and other moderates are bristling at the time table set by President Obama – he wants bills passed through the House and Senate before the bodies leave for their August recess on August 7.
She told reporters last night that’s probably not enough time. And she pointed to the creation of Medicare in the 1960s, which she said took a lot longer than the time table set out by Democrats this year.
Update: A must-read post from Kaus. If you’d told me in advance that ObamaCare would run into problems, the very last reason I’d anticipate would be poor salesmanship by Obama. And yet:
He lectures: It’s also time, Obama tells his viewers, to lose weight, and stop smoking, and pull up your socks. Later on he tells people that they are foolish to prefer brand name drugs to generic drugs, and to want multiple medical tests. “If you only need one test, why do you want five tests?” Stop clinging to your tests! You’re worse than those people in Pennsylvania.
Who knew we were electing a national mother-in-law? And get a chance to endure increased taxes for the privilege. Obama’s supposed to be rallying support from voters, not castigating them. Outside the S& M parlor, most people do not enjoy paying to be disciplined.
Update: Uh oh.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus(D-Mont.) said Thursday that he hopes to have a bipartisan deal on a health care reform bill by the end of the day.
He made the remarks after huddling for about two hours with five Finance Committee members most closely involved in the negotiations. It was the first time Baucus acknowledged a time frame for reaching an agreement.
“We are meeting very aggressively today,” Baucus said of the bipartisan group, which plans to meet again at 1:30 p.m. “We will keep meeting all day long. I hope we can reach some kind of agreement by the end of the day, but having said that, it depends on what kind it is.”
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It won’t cost the government a dime! – jonknee
lorien1973 on July 16, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Never fear, with John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Cornyn, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, & Kay Bailey Hutchison in control….
….wait, what was the question???
battleoflepanto1571 on July 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Claude Rains on line 2…
mankai on July 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Obama, with fingers in ears,
“La la la la la… I can’t hear you!!!!”
UltimateBob on July 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Is reality meeting rhetoric today?…? anyone… anyone..?
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM
I thought fiscal conservatism was the salvation of the party? If we chuck aside social conservatism AND fiscal conservatism… what do we have left?
Democrats… which is what we have.
mankai on July 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM
It ain’t about health. It’s about control.
spmat on July 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Make them pass this socialist disaster on party lines, not one Republican vote, the country will become ungovernable for Obama and the other leftist thieves.
elduende on July 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM
If the GOP doesn’t stop the bill they (and we) are done for.
Chaz706 on July 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM
So ? Just as intended.
the_nile on July 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
BadgerHawk hearts the CBO.
It’s a shame that to achieve our utopian mediocrity President Obama must destroy it.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I was told this all had to be done now. If someone has to throw themselves on the floor, prostrate, and kick ‘n scream like “NOW!” –then it is going to happen.
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
spmat on July 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM
and roger that
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Well, looks like I need to buy some shorts, cause we’re going to Hell in a handbasket.
Torch on July 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Obama: Rahm, get this thing done by mid-August, cause after that, nothing is going to get through!
WashJeff on July 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
And look at the bang up job they did there.
lorien1973 on July 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Bending the cost curve…a new catch phrase square to add to the bulls*#t bingo game.
Fletch54 on July 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Obama: Rahm, get this thing done by mid-August, cause after that,
nothing is going to get through!we’re going golfing.ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Conrad is a Democrat too… guess they’re realzing what an albatross this thing could turn out to be in 2010.
Is he up in 2010?
mankai on July 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM
If this even has a chance of passing and passes only because of a handful of republicans….
rollthedice on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I think the president should stop talking about all the people who should dutifully kick off for the sake of the country. It’s not a good selling point. Oldsters don’t goof on being told they’re a drain.
Cindy Munford on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I just saw a great picture of Michael Steele…on a milk carton. If you’ve seen this missing RNC chair, you’re asked to call 1-800-MIA-RINO.
Laura in Maryland on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
If this thing passes, it’s going to be on the failed careers of lots of Democrats. POTUS would be happy to throw them under the bus and get this done. He could CARE LESS about them… they are just like the rest of us, a means to an end.
synonym for a Congressional Dem== Beeeyotch
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Interesting thoughts from a headline thread: If the government gets more from the fruits of your labor than you do, at best you’re a servant and at worst a slave.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
There is buzz on Twitter from this Politico article Baucus claims to be close to a deal in Senate Finance. This is really bad.
Phone numbers for some Finance Committee members via CrabbyCon on Twitter
Call Finance Committee (R) Sen Crapo 202-224-6142; 4-6244; Enzi 202-224-3424; Hatch 202-224-5251; Kyl 202-224-4521 say no 2 healthcare17 minutes ago from TweetDeck
msmveritas on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
No totalitarian state without unrest , no unrest without fragile state , no fragile state without severe deficit.
the_nile on July 16, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Why won’t the democrats in Congress pledge to accept healthcare from their own plan?
Why are they forcing us into a plan they refuse to use for themselves????
elduende on July 16, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Really? You don’t say. I’m so surprised you could knock me over with a sixteen ton weight.
More expensive and worse care.
rbj on July 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM
No one will choose the public option, because its inefficient and costly. – jonknee
lorien1973 on July 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Fun amendment for Kyl or DeMint, ban drilling for oil in ND shale formations. Worried about Global Warming Sen. Conrad? Oooooo, I didn’t think so.
WashJeff on July 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I’m going to get a job giving healthcare to congress….
I think the outcomes may start looking better—for us.
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM
It has been disorienting in the Bob Newhart sense to watch O’Bonehead talk about how his socialized medicine boondoggle will save us from the horrors of increased medical spending. I keep looking around the room, wondering if I am the only sane person left in the world.
Apparently not.
Jaibones on July 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM
You don’t understand….health care will cost more, and people will have less money to spend.
So they will spend less, which means overall the people will have less expenditures…therefore, spending less saves money, because they won’t have the money to spend.
So an increase actually saves money, it takes it out of the hands of the people, so they don’t have it to spend….thus the cost savings.
And the added benefit is that with less spending, will come less debt…less debt is a more stable economy.
Obviously none of you have gone to Columbia, and learned these simple economic lessons…
right2bright on July 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Who are these folks that treat Congress, and their families?
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Obama’s mojo seems to be broken. Is that going to be covered?
JiangxiDad on July 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Bombshell?
Hardly.
More like “Well, No
Shpoop Sherlock.”LegendHasIt on July 16, 2009 at 2:33 PM
I think that Congress’s healthcare system is in need of some new HotAir “providers”….
ted c on July 16, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Quite possibly the fastest handbasket I’ve ever seen.
cntrlfrk on July 16, 2009 at 2:33 PM
There is buzz on Twitter from this Politico article Baucus claims to be close to a deal in Senate Finance.
msmveritas on July 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Lol.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
He’s up for re-election in 2012. So he’ll avoid the bloodbath next year, but if Obama gets run out of town in 2012, Conrad could get caught in the crossfire.
Doughboy on July 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Doesn’t matter. I won. And it’s going to get done. – B. Obama, MD.
Thunderstorm129 on July 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Typical Democrat logic:
If it’s been proven not to work, let’s do more of it!!!
landlines on July 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
What’s funny (LOL!) is that I will likely lose my coverage under this damnable swatch of excrement. My employer doesn’t provide my coverage directly; I buy it, and my employer reimburses me on my next paycheck. So, I’m getting taxed for my health coverage already, and now Obama wants to take away my option to have it to begin with.
Fsck you, Obama. Fsck you, Charlie Rangel. I hope you all get to enjoy the shtty health care you’re about to shove down our collective throat. I hope you all rot.
spmat on July 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
My guess is this guy needs to “buck” up….
d1carter on July 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Oh..and buck up, would ya??? – B. Obama, MD.
Thunderstorm129 on July 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Seriously, it doesn’t matter who says what or what the truth may be.
They are gonna do what they want.
RedNewEnglander on July 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Ya’ll forget one thing.
I won. – Obama
lorien1973 on July 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM
ACORN. They come buy and pick up your insurance premium as a department within the IRS. The IRS is also expanded to collect energy taxes, fines and indulgences. If you don’t have enough to pay the tax on your electric, they gring the black Panthers the next time to increase encouragement to pay.
Question:
seven on July 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Well, actually that would be true.
The taxpayers, however… It will cost them trillions of dollars….
And tens of thousands of early deaths every year due to rationing and general bureaucratic incompetence.
LegendHasIt on July 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM
People need to get on the phone and make their calls to their congress critters. If it goes through, they need to know they are looking at a problem back home.
Sue on July 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM
We’re about to be proper f*cked.
Make them pass it on party lines, you stupid, stupid woman.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Sorry, I have absolutely zero interest in what Snowe or Collins are saying.
To quote the fabulous Leona Helmsley : “I wouldn’t believe what you are saying if your tongue was notarized.”
Marcus on July 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Which dumb jerk republican and “blue dog” would vote for this garbage?!
jencab on July 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Bipartisan = 1 Republicans has signed on.
Vic on July 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Bombshell: Water remains wet
ChrisB on July 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Yes, he is. I can’t wait to vote him out. I don’t really care if he votes no on this, he’s still gotta go.
thevastlane on July 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Good job, America.
Good job all you morons who voted for Obarfy.
Good job to all you right wingers who stayed home.
blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM
She can tell her statists voters that she could not vote for the bill cause in needed more time for review and debate.
GOP MUST hold the line if this comes up for a vote.
WashJeff on July 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Somebody has some ’splainin’ to do.
ChrisB on July 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM
“Buck up?!?” Buck YOU, you buckin’ idiot.
teke184 on July 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Bend over friends
assume the position.
Hard rear entry comin atcha
blatantblue on July 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM
ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM
BECAUSE OF THE DAMEND LAWYERS IN THE DAMNED CONGRESS.
And still no tort reform?
Barack Obama is a malevolent bastard.
drjohn on July 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Looks like they’re rushing before Sarah is free to inflict a thumping to this awful bill. :)
Seriously, I don’t wanna hear any bi-partisan legislation on this. Bipartisanship is poison. Please, fight for once, GOP.
promachus on July 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM
And the rest of us will pay….
ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM
People had been saying earlier that Grassley and Snowe could flip, so they’re the likely culprits.
teke184 on July 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM
The beauty of its brilliance of its geometric logic.
Its got what plants crave!
Tom_OC on July 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM
In an ominous sign for proponents, Congressional Budget Office Director Doug Elmendorf told the Senate Budget Committee that none of the bills he has seen would contain health care costs to reduce them significantly over time.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090716/pl_politico/25031
elduende on July 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Orrin Hatch has the wishy-washy love for Ted Kennedy.
jencab on July 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM
So much for their re-election…..
Unless they pull an Arlyn….
You would think some democrats would have some sense to
turn Republican…Oh wait – it’s democrats I am talking about….
izoneguy on July 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM
If this socialistic nightmare passes I WILL go Galt.
I refuse to give up my hard won liberties for General Obama’s personal sense of religious morality.
Separation of church and state indeed.
Skywise on July 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM
FIFY
Laura in Maryland on July 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM
ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM
FIFY
lorien1973 on July 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I am going to quit my job and just go to the hospital everyday…
izoneguy on July 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Quislings and traitors.
I want out.
spmat on July 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I thought Snowe was supposed to represent the “enlightened” New Republican Party which can’t be bothered with nasty ol’ social conservatism… no, she’s a FISCAL conservative… (who makes possible the most massive, soviet-style government in US history).
Why do they need Snowe anyway? How many Dems are wavering?
mankai on July 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I believe the emoticon for a sideways heart is <3
UltimateBob on July 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Um, yeah, lorein, yours is better….
ladyingray on July 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Two words: Road Trip
Laura in Maryland on July 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Get your pitchforks ready.
The REVOLUTION starts here and now.
omnipotent on July 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM
BOHICA.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Obama is a tyrant with the soul of a rat.
spmat on July 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM
So, is everyone still dead set against starting a third party?
I’m not.
jazz_piano on July 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Better lunch than the soup kitchen. But unlike all you suckers I’m just going to grow my own food.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM
But wait Pinocchio said it won’t 1:03 into video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45BVchcUvlQ
xler8bmw on July 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Which you’ll hand over to the collective, Comrade.
jazz_piano on July 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Just be sure to leave the rest of us a map to follow. By the time I get there, my money will be gold.
Esthier on July 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I thought this was a “Jobs Bill”.
Oh, silly me. The job-killing Crap&Trade is the “Jobs Bill”.
I get so confused by the Orwellianisms. Carry on.
progressoverpeace on July 16, 2009 at 2:51 PM
I reckon its getting close to the point where the administration is going to have to choose between either Cap and Tax or Obamacare to push through because they are rapidly running out of political capital and if they go for both there is every chance that both will fail. Whereas if they just focus on one they might just be able to squeak it through especially if they can make a deal by dropping the other.
The question is which would be dropped? My guess is it will be Cap and Tax.
Dreadnought223 on July 16, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Must be why she had a meeting with Obama today.
Phoenician on July 16, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Call Finance Committee (R) Sen Snowe 202-224-5344
Call Finance Committee (R) Sen Crapo 202-224-6142; 4-6244; Enzi 202-224-3424;
Hatch 202-224-5251;
Kyl 202-224-4521
Sen Pat Roberts 202-224-4774;
Bunning 202-224-4343;
Cornyn 202-224-2934
Grassley’s DC office # (202) 224-3744 –
Melt the phones folks or we are going to have a Finance Committee agreement which is the final important last piece before ObamaCare
msmveritas on July 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM
PASS IT NOW! CHILDREN ARE DYING! WOULD WE STEER YOU WRONG! REMEMBER THE ‘STIMULUS BILL’. WE’RE DEMOCRATS AND WE’RE HERE TO HELP YOU. HONEST!
GarandFan on July 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM
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Hey Doc, while you’re down there, could you use two fingers? I’d like a second opinion.
dont taze me bro on July 16, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Whoopsie, it’s helmet head that’s up in 2010, not Conrad.
thevastlane on July 16, 2009 at 2:53 PM
They’re trying to get ObamaCare rammed through before the August recess. People’s anger will settle a bit and they’ll try for CapN’Tax in the fall.
It’s like last year with gas prices. Everyone was so pissed in July, Congress goes into recess in August, and some Dems comes back in September and start proposing additional gas taxes. No shame.
BadgerHawk on July 16, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I still am. Politically, there’s still more power in the GOP than an unknown third party. We already have several out there. They just can’t attract enough voters.
Esthier on July 16, 2009 at 2:54 PM
This bill *is* a cost-saving measure!
For each million dollars Congress spends, the taxpayer could potentially see savings of hundreds of dollars. And the more they spend, the more we save!
Hundreds of dollars start to add up, y’all.
jazz_piano on July 16, 2009 at 2:54 PM
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