The health care debate that is winding its way through Congress is raising a number of interesting broad political discussions. I touched on some of them earlier today, as……

To where can we emigrate once the U.S. goes the way of the other nations?

Who is John Galt?

What about those teachers that voted against 0bama, like my wife and almost all of her co-workers? Not really demonstrating what fair is there, Limerick. There’s always an exception to the rule.

Torch on July 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Wow, really?…Are they parochial school teachers?

Jeff from WI on July 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Believe it or not but there are quite a few conservative teachers in NE Ga. I have been teaching for close to 20 years and have never voted for a libtard and never belonged to a teachers union.

Hey, AP, why not make it a headlines item to complete the set? kthxbai

Well, we live about 30 minutes from Branson MO, so it’s a very conservative place for the most part. The teacher’s union that my wife belongs to actually does it’s job, they inform their members of the voting record of ALL the candidates and the union only gives support for those candidates that support their cause, the education of the kids. I was actually very impressed with their newsletters – they tell the member the voting record, why the union supports the candidate (and they have in the past several years supported Repubicans numerous times over the Democrat), and they don’t tell the member how to vote.

Now, the union that my father-in-law belongs to is the exact opposite. They only support the Democrats, they only have Democrats come speak to them at meetings during election years, and they tell the members how to vote. It’s a road construction union. They also live closer to St. Louis, one of the two cesspools of liberalism in Missouri (the other being Kansas City of course).

That’s encouraging Juliesa & kudos to him. Thanks for sharing.

Nope, public school teachers at the elementary level. One of them actually cried when 0bama was elected. Another one has two puppies named, Ronald and Nancy Reagan, and all that voted against 0bama are proud conservatives. It also helps that they teach in a rural community and most of the residents are farmers and such. It’s a very conservative area around here.

Torch on July 15, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Very different here. THe states largest and most powerful union is the teachers union and it’s about as cut throat and Marxist as you can get. They love Obama, they love ALL DEMS. The only teachers around here NOT voting DEM are some, not all, parochial school teachers.

He voted No at the last minute, and really po’ed the Dems, so I emailed him to thank him for voting no.

I got an email the other day from him. I’m sure it was a form, but it was nicely detailed, explaining the harm the bill would do to energy independence, agriculture, local industry, etc. I’m actually using some of his talking points when I talk to other people about this bill.

Wow, really?…Are they parochial school teachers?

Jeff from WI on July 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Nope, public school teachers at the elementary level. One of them actually cried when 0bama was elected. Another one has two puppies named, Ronald and Nancy Reagan, and all that voted against 0bama are proud conservatives. It also helps that they teach in a rural community and most of the residents are farmers and such. It’s a very conservative area around here.

24K lady on July 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM
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24K lady, don’t you just hate form letters? I’m getting ready to send THEM some LOL On H1-B, don’t get me started.
I don’t know any IT people that regard Bill Gates with any esteem. Another betrayal of the American worker.
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But 24K lady, we have Soooooooooooooo much deadwood!! :)

Jeff. The RNC is dead, but if enough of us band together we don’t need to form another party. The party is us, it’s the deadwood we need to kick out.

24K lady on July 15, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I think the brand name is dead. Kind of like Edsel.

n0doz on July 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM
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We only have one “option” LOL

That’s not fair, I’m sure Mr. Steele is raising funds at this very movement, so RNC can continue doing whatever it is the RNC does.

Which is pretty much limited to fundraising.

NoDonkey on July 15, 2009 at 2:24 PM
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I doubt that NoDonkey, I hope your comment was in jest. I don’t know anyone that’s even talking to the RNC, let alone sending any money. I know I’m not, selective funding imo, e.g, to the Candidate.

bluefox on July 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM

RNC is dead. Our only hope a new party, a conservative one.

MCCAIN: Now, Senator Obama, I’d like — still like to know what that fine is going to be, and I don’t think that Joe right now wants to pay a fine when he is seeing such difficult times in America’s economy.
point is…

OBAMA: I just described what my plan is. And I’m happy to talk to you, Joe, too, if you’re out there. Here’s your fine — zero. You won’t pay a fine, because…

MCCAIN: Zero?

OBAMA: Zero, because as I said in our last debate and I’ll repeat, John, I exempt small businesses from the requirement for large businesses that can afford to provide health care to their employees, but are not doing it.

And here is the plan from the house that he endorsed today:

Under the House measure, employers with payrolls exceeding $400,000 a year would have to provide health insurance or pay the 8% penalty. Employers with payrolls between $250,000 and $400,000 a year would pay a smaller penalty, and those less than $250,000 would be exempt. Certain small firms would get tax credits to help buy coverage.

The relatively low thresholds for penalties triggered the sharpest criticism yet from employer groups, who said the burden on small business is too high and doesn’t do enough to help them expand insurance coverage.

I’m sure Obama will say he’s been consistent but, make no mistake, small businesses will be paying fines. According to the article in the WSJ, small businesses with between 5 and 9 employees average payrolls of $375,000. So, they will be paying fines. The only ones exempted are really micro-business with less than 5 employees. A fine of up to 8% is huge for a small business.

I’m sure Obama will claim he is consistent by exempting small businesses but most will just be re-defined as large businesses. He’ll define down small businesses to mean up to five employees or so and then claim that this plan doesn’t fine small businesses.

He also hammered Hillary in the debates for wanting mandates for individuals. And, big surprise, this bill also mandates individuals get health insurance or face fines.

Which is pretty much limited to fundraising.

NoDonkey on July 15, 2009 at 2:24 PM
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I doubt that NoDonkey, I hope your comment was in jest. I don’t know anyone that’s even talking to the RNC, let alone sending any money. I know I’m not, selective funding imo, e.g, to the Candidate.

What about those teachers that voted against 0bama, like my wife and almost all of her co-workers? Not really demonstrating what fair is there, Limerick. There’s always an exception to the rule.

Torch on July 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Wow, really?…Are they parochial school teachers?

just saw this on Drudge