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At first it seems reasonable, but then you think: Europe and America have a declining population. We are countering our emissions by having fewer children (not counting immigration.)

But China and India have a booming population, despite China’s state control. So we could equally demand that rather than have us cut our emissions, they should damn well start using condoms. If they need to generate more emissions because they have a larger population, then get a grip on their population and problem’s solved.

Of course the idea is absurd. You can’t force people to have fewer children. Its unethical and it wouldn’t work. But it is the obvious counter-argument to their equally absurd nonsense that they should be allowed to pollute as much as they want.

It seems that the new emerging superpowers still have the same victim mentality of a third world country and are unwilling to take on their responsibilities. That’s just not good enough.

Well, now that the USA Today asks, yes. There is no doubt that global warming has occured. The Little Ice Age ended because of a warming planet. The seas continued their 6-8 inch rise per century, as had been going……

No, you believe that’s what they actually want. That’s completely wacko.

Orange

Riiigggghht….and Democrats don’t want to stick it to the “rich” in order to fund “free” health care either.

Here’s what’s wacko….buying oceanfront property while running around the world claiming our beaches will soon be under 20 feet of water. And what’s even more wacko is when poor fools like you slurp that kool aid like Barney Frank slurping a foot long.

Cap and tax won’t affect them, just the FILTHY RICH.

I’m pretty darn sure that’s the Lib/independent/RINO mentality.

Allow me to amend that…most Libs don’t know and don’t care about all this as it is someone else’s problem and the GOVERNMENT under Lord Obama will fix everything and save Mankind from the evil clutches of greedy Republicans and ignorant gun-toting, Bible-thumping Rednecks…uh, like Sarah Palin.

Chaz on July 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Chaz on July 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Thanks but no thanks, I don’t want to see your home movies.

You show me where the law of climate change is written down and I’ll give it a read otherwise stop responding to me.

Americannodash

It’s right here: http://www.whataclownyouare.comedy

You show me where the law of climate change is written down and I’ll give it a read otherwise stop responding to me.

Americannodash

It’s right here: http://www.whatanasshatclownyouare.com

His basic message was, “LEAVE CHINA ALONE!!”

He also bragged about how Obama was going to make gas $5/gallon in the US to force Americans to buy better vehicles. Clearly this fairly well-to-do professor can’t see past his navel and his well-to-do peers to see how much of a challenge and outright unfair expectation this is of most Americans.

This professor isn’t just spouting off, either, he’s been to the Clinton-gang Brookings Institution many a time to share ideas and be chummy. The $5/gallon idea is probably an inside secret amongst their group, to be foisted on the US public at a convenient time.

Do you remember how you felt about that one wonk in your class graded on a curve that always blew it for everyone? Can you think of a better way to villainize high earners? The more *you* earn the more we ALL pay? The hatred targeted at anyone earning above the 75th percentile or so would be the very best way to ensure that they either a) leave or b) purposely underachieve.

As I have said many times, the libs are not stupid, crazy, or blind. They are putting the perfect governance in place to ensure that the US becomes a nation with a vast and permanent dependent underclass of agrarian people-stock who do what they are told and worship their government cheese providers.

Hey dummy, have you bothered to look at any of the science that has been presented in this, and many other, HA threads? No, you haven’t. That would destroy your entire twisted worldview.

Do you really believe that Al Gore doesn’t know this science? Do you actually think he’s as ignorant as you are? He’s not, he knows he’s lying through his teeth, and so do most of his fellow travelers. There can be no other conclusion, as the science clearly shows that CO2 does not cause, or even contribute to, global warming. Beyond that, the climate has been changing for the entire history of the planet.

Given all that, there really is only one possible explanation for the behavior of the radical enviro whackos. They actually do want to destroy any economy they PERCEIVE as being superior to any other, particularly those economies run by leftist dictators. Note how not ONE of those dictators has EVER been taken to task by Al Gore.

You can ignore all the facts you want, and apparently that’s really the only thing you’re good at, but stop trying to pretend that you have any interest in anything anyone who isn’t also an enviro whacko has to say. While you’re at it, you should probably be more careful whose sanity you question.

And, btw, there have been three times since atmospheric carbon dioxide began to be measured in the mid-1800s that concentrations have increased to as much as 450 ppm (it’s around 380 today) with no attendant temperature increase.

Chaz on July 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM

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Saying and /or writing about such things second hand does not advance your argument. You show me where the law of climate change is written down and I’ll give it a read otherwise stop responding to me.

orange on July 15, 2009 at 4:44 PM

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Don’t drink and comment here HA. Drinking excessive amounts of Kool-aid can be hazardous to your wealth.

Find an KA meeting near you tonight. 12 step programs are available if you promise to leave this country by 2010.

Another point is that as the earth warms, it’s emission spectrum will shift to the left, away from the one CO2 band that matters. In other words, the warmer the earth get’s the less influence CO2 has.

MarkTheGreat on July 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM

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Snap shot is not persuasive. CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.

I could say that H2O is poison because when it rains this causes you to piss up a rope and die. That is a theory not a law. It has not been proven that rain water makes one pee up ropes and die but it sure is an attention getter isn’t it?

This chart doesn’t consider concentrations correctly & seasons are not taken into account for potential fluctuations. Concentrations of the elements in sequence are in the improper order of density (mass/volume) related to actuals of the earths atmosphere. In addition the time line of occurance is not consequential to my argument. Therefore, I declare that a hypothesis/theory does not make it a proven law. No law of climate change has been established. C&T is a money grab and future revenue source for the government and nothing else.

Come down off the ledge, right-wingers. We in the real America need a sane conservative movement to temper things, to get all sides of an issue to move forward intelligently. But as long as you’re spewing silliness like this, you will be further marginalized and ignored.

Please, for the good of the country, consider sanity.

orange on July 15, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Hey, you forgot your “/sarc” tag !!!!

I’ll need a link for this theory of yours.

–Americannodash

Wish I had one to offer. I’ve seen the satellite results online. But this goes back to my time as a science editor, before PCs.

Some people here are linking to an article (in different versions) that wonders about increased heat 55 million years ago that cannot be accounted for entirely by the the 70% increase in CO2 at the time. That increase in CO2 will still be less than 600 ppm. There have been times in geologic history when CO2 concentrations reached 5000 ppm (the range, incidentally, when really lush plant growth starts–and air starts smelling stale to us. At present, we are not far above the carbon dioxide concentration at which plants start struggling.) If memory serves, such elevated concentrations were obtained at times from the massive crushing of limestone during the formation of the Himalayas starting 50 mya.

I had wanted to publish the work of a couple of historical meteorologists (names?) whose claim was that we were just ending a 60-year period of the most ideal weather in the entire Holocene and would be slowly returning to a more normal pattern of increased variability, esp. hotter summers and colder winters (a better explanation for what we are seeing). That interest led me to follow global climate ever since. I have wondered why global warming alarmists would seize on one of the more paltry greenhouse gases, esp. one known to be doing already all the work it can do. Guess it’s because it’s the one that can be pinned on us.

And, btw, there have been three times since atmospheric carbon dioxide began to be measured in the mid-1800s that concentrations have increased to as much as 450 ppm (it’s around 380 today) with no attendant temperature increase.

the movement is less concerned with carbon emissions and more concerned about kneecapping economic success

The entire point of the global movement to arrest energy production is to punish the industrial nations for their wealth.

This kind of system reveals the underlying animosity to modernization and economic success that lies at the heart of the environmental movement

Shocking intellectual dishonesty from Mr. Morrissey here.

How can you possibly believe this? It’s inane. It’s insane. It boggles my mind that an intelligent person would actually publish this.

You really think that what Al Gore wants – what the vast preponderance of the scientific community wants – is to “kneecap economic success”? I mean, if you believe that’s what the result will be, that’s fine. I disagree, but that’s an area of reasonable disagreement.

No, you believe that’s what they actually want. That’s completely wacko.

What they want is for us to stop destroying the planet. It’s not terribly complicated. If you believe that there is a better vision for America and for the world, then fine. Lay it on us. But if all you want to do is paint environmentalists as some sort of Snidely Whiplash caricatures, then you’re missing an opportunity to be part of the discussion.

Come down off the ledge, right-wingers. We in the real America need a sane conservative movement to temper things, to get all sides of an issue to move forward intelligently. But as long as you’re spewing silliness like this, you will be further marginalized and ignored.

Please, for the good of the country, consider sanity.