ObamaCare: Taxing the uninsured

posted at 10:11 am on July 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Keith Hennessey has done a little digging into the House method of paying for health-care reform and sees some significant sleight-of-hand in the details.  Barack Obama says that he wants to provide health-care coverage for all Americans without raising taxes on anyone under $250,000.  Keith points out that the proposal in fact does tax people who make less than the Obama definition of rich, and significantly:

As expected, the House bill would mandate that individuals and families have or buy health insurance.

But what if they don’t buy it?

Then Section 401 kicks in.  Any individual (or family) that does not have health insurance would have to pay a new tax, roughly equal to the smaller of 2.5% of your income or the cost of a health insurance plan. …

I assume the bill authors would respond, “But why wouldn’t you want insurance?  After all, we’re subsidizing it for everyone up to 400% of the poverty line.”

That is true.  But if you’re a single person with income of $44,000 or higher, then you’re above 400% of the poverty line.  You would not be subsidized, but would face the punitive tax if you didn’t get health insurance.  This bill leaves an important gap between the subsidies and the cost of health insurance.  CBO says that for about eight million people, that gap is too big to close, and they would get stuck paying higher taxes and still without health insurance.

This doesn’t just amount to a slight gap in the net that allows a few oddball cases to slip, either.  Keith provides two scenarios, both entirely plausible, to demonstrate how the CBO determined that eight million people — around 20% of the current uninsured — would likely end up with no insurance and higher taxes.  The mandate in the bill would force people to choose between paying the taxes or paying as much as three times as much for health insurance, assuming a family plan.

The House plan may not live for very long, anyway.  The Senate doesn’t want to impose taxes at all if they can get away with it, especially not the Charlie Rangel “soak the rich” taxes the House proposes:

But the plan has drawn sharp attacks from Republicans and is already creating friction with Democrats in the Senate.

“Tax is a four-letter word” with voters, said Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.). Even families not ranking in the top 1 percent of earners “hope they’re going to be there someday,” he said. “So they don’t necessarily think it’s fair.”

Senate negotiators have all but abandoned plans to directly tax the wealthy and are focusing instead on an array of smaller, more narrowly targeted revenue measures that would raise money from drug and insurance companies, as well as individuals and corporations. A tax on employer-provided health benefits remains part of that discussion, but Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), who is promoting a tax on the most generous 1 percent of private plans, conceded yesterday that such a proposal is “a very tough sell.”

Why?  Doesn’t everyone hate the “rich” these days?  Not exactly.  As John Boehner points out, many of the so-called “rich” above $250K a year in earnings are small-business owners who simply file their business revenues as personal income.  A 5.4% “surtax” — really just a hike in the upper tax bracket — will take more of their capital out of their businesses and reduce the opportunity for job growth.

The Post notes that the “surtax” would apply to about 2.1 million Americans.  The mandate for coverage will force almost four times as many middle-class Americans to pay higher taxes as a result of the ObamaCare plan in the House while preventing them from getting coverage.  The House hasn’t soaked the rich; they’ve declared war on the middle class and the uninsured.


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“Tax is a four-letter word” with voters, said Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.). Even families not ranking in the top 1 percent of earners “hope they’re going to be there someday,” he said. “So they don’t necessarily think it’s fair.”

WHAT?!?!? A democrat “gets” it!

SouthernGent on July 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Boy free sure costs a lot.

tarpon on July 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM

We’re out of I spent all of our money.”

- Barack Obama

Good Lt on July 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Boy free sure costs a lot.

PJ O’Rourke, hear our prayer.

Good Lt on July 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Everyone knows that raising taxes is the way to get out of a recession…right?

itsnotaboutme on July 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM

So, with all this talk about taxes and health care, I just want to know one thing:

When, exactly, is Obama going to fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage?

PBoilermaker on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

WHAT?!?!? A democrat “gets” it!

SouthernGent on July 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM

He’s a Red-State Dem… he “gets” it because he likes keeping his job, much like one of my Senators, Mary Landrieu.

teke184 on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

And yet they still intend to RAHM this thing through and force it on us anyway.

I hate these statists and the havoc they’re wreaking on my country.

powerpro on July 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

We are so screwed.

ornery_independent on July 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Obama’s gonna get his nationalized health care, and he’s gonna get it this session. His entire presidency rests on it, which is why Rahm says they’ll be only too happy to pass it in the Senate with 51 votes. The question is: When the Americans kick this despicable little tyrant to the curb in 2012, is there a Republican in the world who will have the balls to undo all what Obama will have done?

Rational Thought on July 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM

When, exactly, is Obama going to fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage?

PBoilermaker on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Paging Peggy Joesph…..

csdeven on July 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM

The irony of all this BS is the Democrats are using the Massachusetts “all-inclusive” healthcare plan as a base for their new national plan. Considering the Masschusetts plan today dumped thousands of new LEGAL immigrants from the plan because there wasn’t enough tax money to cover them, the Democrats are using an already-proven failure as their guide.

bradley11 on July 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Obama wants to be the greatest health insurance agent in history. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be, sir.

ThackerAgency on July 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

As John Boehner points out, many of the so-called “rich” above $250K a year in earnings are small-business owners who simply file their business revenues as personal income.

Why on earth would anyone declare their gross business income as net personal income?

a capella on July 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I hope the Dems fail!

WashJeff on July 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

“Tax is a four-letter word” with voters, said Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.). Even families not ranking in the top 1 percent of earners “hope they’re going to be there someday,” he said. “So they don’t necessarily think it’s fair.”

WHAT?!?!? A democrat “gets” it!

SouthernGent on July 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Look at the state.

Nebraska = American

:]

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Here’s the headline from MSNBC.com

BREAKING NEWS: Senate committee passes health bill, first panel to act on Obama’s overhaul

Of course they didn’t read the f*cking thing. Bastards.

Torch on July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Obama’s gonna get his nationalized health care, and he’s gonna get it this session. His entire presidency rests on it, which is why Rahm says they’ll be only too happy to pass it in the Senate with 51 votes. The question is: When the Americans kick this despicable little tyrant to the curb in 2012, is there a Republican in the world who will have the balls to undo all what Obama will have done?

Rational Thought on July 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM

One would assume the GOP candidate’s campaign in 2012 will center heavily around undoing what Obama has done. Why else would they be running against him to begin with?

Doughboy on July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

P.S. It’s getting passed via “Reconciliation”. They’ll ram it down our throats. Majority doesn’t want it, but they’re going to do it anyway. Obama/Pelosi will employ the scorched earth policy. They don’t care about the 2010s. Healthcare is their legacy and is crucial to their long-term Socialist agenda. Sucks.

marklmail on July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Obama’s gonna get his nationalized health care, and he’s gonna get it this session

against the will of the people. nice–

send the bill to rahmobama

ted c on July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

First of all, they say this surtax will apply to 2.1M Americans and knowing how government math works…it is probably closer to 4M.

And number two, minorities are the ones who are going to get hit with this the harderst. Tell everyone you know: HOUSE DEMOCRATS HATE MINORITIES.
RR

ramrants on July 15, 2009 at 10:23 AM

The cost of this is going to be enormous. Obama will have to tax everyone to make it work and it still will not work.

Mr. Joe on July 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Why on earth would anyone declare their gross business income as net personal income?

a capella on July 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

They actually file their NET business income as net personal income…. as for the WHY… to avoid double taxation.

BPD on July 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM

CBO says that for about eight million people, that gap is too big to close, and they would get stuck paying higher taxes and still without health insurance

Those are the people with problems now, so the ‘solution’ solves nothing. Let me point this out again: of the approximately 45 million without insurance, 20 million are twenty-somethings that choose not to buy it, but buy big screen televisions or other goods instead, 20 million are illegal aliens who use emergency rooms for ‘free’ (you and I pay for them), and the rest are the folks who truly have problems getting insurance.

Vashta.Nerada on July 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM

So, with all this talk about taxes and health care, I just want to know one thing:

When, exactly, is Obama going to fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage?

PBoilermaker on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I still haven’t gotten my puppy.

WordsMatter on July 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Everyone should quit yer whinin’!

You’ll all feel healthier when you don’t have to carry around that extra money. No more back problems. Dollars have germs on them anyway.

Geesh. Try and help some people…

Thunderstorm129 on July 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM

As John Boehner points out, many of the so-called “rich” above $250K a year in earnings are small-business owners who simply file their business revenues as personal income.
Why on earth would anyone declare their gross business income as net personal income?

a capella on July 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

That would be their net business income. Many smaller companies are incorporated as Subchapter S entities, in which the business income is passed through to the owner and taxed at individual income tax rates rather than corporate rates. This also allows the owners to receive some of their income as dividends which is not subject to FICA taxes.

ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

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It is the Obama Rosary.

Mr. Joe on July 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

If I was independently rich (not employed) I would be packing my bags and getting my money out of this country. Why would the rich want to follow Obama’s agenda?

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 10:29 AM

against the will of the people. nice–

send the bill to rahmobama

ted c on July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I feel your frustration, but leftists like Obama don’t have a sense of “the will of the people.” Few politicians do, in fact, but certainly not those of Obama’s political persuasion. For Obama, “the people” are mere slaves, a means to his Marxist end. Remember, this is the guy who sat through testimony about live babies being thrown in trash bins after botched abortions, crying and gasping for air. He didn’t blink at all, and said “So what?!” The “people” mean nothing to him. The path of tyranny demands that its political leaders see “the people” as shrubbery or furniture, insignificant and disposable.

Rational Thought on July 15, 2009 at 10:29 AM

ObamaCare: Taxing the uninsured anything he can get his hands on

Mr. Joe on July 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

HALLIBURTON!!

mankai on July 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Unite and fight these democrat fools.They are sucking their income from we the people.They would fall flat on their face
if they had to work in my world for their income.Lets cut off their source of income.

easyone on July 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Penalizing people for being successful.

Penalizing people for being poor.

Penalizing people simply for being alive.

Yep. Hussein is ready to screw this nation every which way he can.

madmonkphotog on July 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM

That would be their net business income. Many smaller companies are incorporated as Subchapter S entities, in which the business income is passed through to the owner and taxed at individual income tax rates rather than corporate rates. This also allows the owners to receive some of their income as dividends which is not subject to FICA taxes.

ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

I love it when informed people post. We have a great group here. Just to be sure you understand, there was no sarcasm intended. Sincere appreciation only.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM

2.5%????? In a pigs ear…

We all know how Uncle Sugar’s IRS does this. Sure, it is 2.5% and then they slap on penalties and interest.

The good folks at the Boston Tea Party would have thrown more than tea overboard.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Is it still too early to start talkng about sucession?

Rebar on July 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Is it still too early to start talkng about sucession?

Rebar on July 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Ya’ll all come down to Texas and we can begin building a fence all the way around this sucker.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

This is curious and if true, may cause lots of problems for the military as it gives everybody an instant out.

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

WHAT?!?!? A democrat “gets” it!

SouthernGent on July 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM

But be careful, Nelson is still counting like a Democrat! :-0

Seriously, the fact that the Democrats are forced to run ads in DC and eight other cities demanding passage of a health care plan is telling. They own Congress with a filibuster proof majority not counting the RINOs who support them. They have the White House and the tactics of the filthy liar’s chief street thug/political strategist Rahm Emanuel….. Yet for all that, they are so far away from bullying this crap legislation through that they feel the need to run advocacy ads about it.

highhopes on July 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM

That would be their net business income. Many smaller companies are incorporated as Subchapter S entities, in which the business income is passed through to the owner …
ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

As a small business owner I can point out one thing that really stings. If you are in the process of paying off a building for your business, the principal on the mortgage is considered income when you do your taxes. Obviously, you do NOT have the cash associated with this income, but you have to pay those taxes. That means less even less cash to reinvest in the business.

WashJeff on July 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM

He’s a Red-State Dem… he “gets” it because he likes keeping his job, much like one of my Senators, Mary Landrieu.

teke184 on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Landrieu isn’t up anytime soon is she? I thought Vitter was the next one up for reelection. Both can go as far as I’m concerned.

highhopes on July 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

The military doesn’t want jail-house lawyers. Those orders were wacked because the military has a big enough job to do without worrying that some fella will refuse to move out of his foxhole.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

12 September is shaping up to be a seminal event.

Fletch54 on July 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Hmmm…..

Did you all see this.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

Keemo on July 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM

As a small business owner I can point out one thing that really stings. If you are in the process of paying off a building for your business, the principal on the mortgage is considered income when you do your taxes. Obviously, you do NOT have the cash associated with this income, but you have to pay those taxes. That means less even less cash to reinvest in the business.

WashJeff on July 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I have always advocated that a small business owner own the land and building personally, and pay himself rent from the business. This is especially critical if the business is set up as a C corp. Under a C corp owning the land and buildings, if the business sells the land and buildings, the corporation pays taxes on any gain, and the owner again pays taxes individually when he receives the net gains.

ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Obama/Pelosi will employ the scorched earth policy. They don’t care about the 2010s. Healthcare is their legacy and is crucial to their long-term Socialist agenda. Sucks.

marklmail on July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Let them. If getting the government in control of the auto industry, banking industry, home mortgage industry, and now the health industry is so damned important to these traitors, let them do it without a single GOP vote. Let the voters decide in 2010 if they are happy with this absolute dictatorship that has squandered billions of dollars not yet made. Let the voters decide if the filthy liar in the White House should remain unchecked by Congress because of mere numbers.

I personally believe it would be political suicide for the filthy liar and his corrupt party to get this legislation through without bipartisan support.

highhopes on July 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM

That would be their net business income. Many smaller companies are incorporated as Subchapter S entities, in which the business income is passed through to the owner and taxed at individual income tax rates rather than corporate rates. This also allows the owners to receive some of their income as dividends which is not subject to FICA taxes.

ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Greedy business people not paying their fair share of taxes! Using tax code loopholes, tax dodges, and tax schemes to evade paying their fair share! We all suffer when greedy small business people don’t pay their fair share! Obviously, small businesses have declared war on America!

ChrisB on July 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I want to know one thing in all of this ‘required coverage’ bit. If I decide to spend the extra money and get a private coverage plan…are my doctors/providers REQUIRED to take in people on the ‘public option’, in other words will my extra money not matter because my doctor(s) will be NEEDED due to ‘rationing’ of services? Why pay for the private insurance if I’m still waiting 9 months for an appointment.

Joek7132 on July 15, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Is it still too early to start talkng about sucession?

Rebar on July 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM

You mean lopping off Illinois and selling it on E-bay to pay for all of the socialists from that state in the current administration? Maybe we could throw in MN or WI in a package deal and approach Toronto since these states all seem to have more affinity for Canadian ideology than American values.

highhopes on July 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Off topic

I just heard Coburn sum up pro life so beautifully and succinctly in the hearings

we define death as the absence of those (things he mentioned before, like brain activity and heartbeats)

but we refuse to define life as the existence of them

blatantblue on July 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM

The military doesn’t want jail-house lawyers. Those orders were wacked because the military has a big enough job to do without worrying that some fella will refuse to move out of his foxhole.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I don’t think so because they know they just invited 100s if not 1,000s more. They’ve just made it a winning approach.

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM

But if you’re a single person with income of $44,000

A few more months with Obama’s recovery plan and a single person making $44K will be part of the filthy rich.

highhopes on July 15, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Ya’ll all come down to Texas and we can begin building a fence all the way around this sucker.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Planning a move to Fort Worth in the next few months or so.

Remember when the leftists were all for secession:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map

Looks good to me.

Rebar on July 15, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Every soldier, sailor, airmen, marine reservist or guardsman now has a fool proof way of challenging orders. I’m hard-pressed to think of anything more dangerous to any military….

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:49 AM

….and subsidizing at 400% over the poverty line is utter bullshit. That’s complete class warfare, and welfare, paid by others for others without their concent. Car insurance ‘mandates’ are excusable because you can directly affect the personal property of others and should have to the means to care for it should an accident occur, if you CHOOSE not to take care of yourself, then that is your dumb choice to make. Just like it’s your choice to smoke, drink acohol and eat shitty food.

Once government’s paying the bill, all things deemed ‘expensive’ on insurance and contributing to bad health will be taxed (that is as soon as all the rich people are not poor people).

Gotta love trickle up poverty economics.

Joek7132 on July 15, 2009 at 10:50 AM

should change the picture to Obama with his ears covered saying
‘I can’t hear you! LALALALALALALALALALALA, I won!’

cmsinaz on July 15, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I have always advocated that a small business owner own the land and building personally, and pay himself rent from the business.
ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM

My brother and I do that via an LLC as a partnership. The business that is in the buildings is a C corp. The principal still flows (via the K-1) to our personnal tax returns. Sucks have to pay higher taxes, but not having that cash to enjoy other things.

WashJeff on July 15, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I love the post about American Indian care. Everything you need to know about socialized health care you learned from the Reservation.

Mojave Mark on July 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM

We need to stimulate jobs, not taxes.

People with jobs can buy their own medical insurance.

Or not, ~if they want to pay cash for each procedure.

People without jobs become a drain on everyone else.

Obama thinks that just because everyone he knows has a government job and government health care, what’s the problem with pushing it for all?

The problem: not everyone can work for the government – either directly or by default- without it becoming a tyranny.

profitsbeard on July 15, 2009 at 10:52 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM

At best this soldier is facing a General Discharge, more than likely, the refusal of deployment orders, earns him a Bad Conduct Discharge. Barry is the CIC, the top of the heap, regardless of the BC controversy. As a former lowly NCO any soldier of mine who refused orders wasn’t worth my time, or the Army’s. These soldiers will be thrown to the curb.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 10:52 AM

They were revoked. He wasn’t CMed or even disciplined. He legally challenged the validity of his orders and won.

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM

This is nothing new to those of us who live in Massachusetts. MA implemented mandatory health insurance a couple of years ago. I don’t know what the penalty is for not having health insurance, but even if you have it it’s a real pain in the ass. You get a form from your insurer and you need that to fill out your Massachusetts income tax form.

I was a management employee of Verizon. I had an HMO for more than 25 years that was dropped from our choices in 2008. I ended up choosing Aetna. When I filled out my return this year for 2008 I didn’t have the form with Aetna’s Taxpayer ID number on it. I emailed them and they kept telling me the form had been mailed. After not getting it, I emailed them again and asked them to just tell me what their Taxpayer ID was because that was all the MA state tax return was looking for. They finally told me and I was able to complete my return and get my refund.

I have no idea what I would have been fined if I couldn’t have provided that information on my return. But it was close to three weeks of getting the run around before I got it. If I had waited until April to do my return I would have been screwed.

Jaynie59 on July 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Obama wants to be the greatest health insurance agent in history. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be, sir.

ThackerAgency on July 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Speaking from experience? I assume that link on your name is your business.

but we refuse to define life as the existence of them

blatantblue on July 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Thanks. I’d never heard it put that way before.

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM

My children are college students who barely make it now, with tuition, food and rent costs already increasing.
Now Ocommie wants to tax them to pay for health care for others, while they cannot afford it for themselves as they try to prepare themselves for the future?
I’m very afraid that this filty liar will NOT be ‘kicked to the curb’ in 2012, as by then he and his party of thieves will have managed to put so many welfare plans into effect that they will have purchased enough votes to overwhelm the system again.

maryo on July 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Rebar on July 15, 2009 at 10:49 AM

I’m in between Dallas and Forth Worth and both are great places to live. Welcome and check out the new stadium.

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Neighbor.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Neighbor.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Near Arlington?

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 11:03 AM

12 September is shaping up to be a seminal event.

Fletch54 on July 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Are you going to DC? My mom, dad, husband, and I are going.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM

No one has addressed the key issue here…will my Unicorn be covered under Obamacare? What if it stops sh!tt!ng Skittles? Can I get it fixed?

Metalhead on July 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

They don’t have any idea what is is they are doing and anyone who believes they do, is severely delusional.

NoDonkey on July 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I have no problem with people having to buy some sort of major medical insurance. I also, on the other hand, feel we need to purge the medicare rolls of those “disabled” by drug and alcohol abuse.

clnurnberg on July 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Where is AnninCA, our resident healthcare troll?

Knucklehead on July 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM

When, exactly, is Obama going to fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage?

PBoilermaker on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Didn’t you hear that 0bama is going to let you rent out your house if your facing foreclosure.
Pretty soon we won’t need gas we will all be driving electric cars.

This is nuts. Most of the military hospitals have closed because they say they are not cost efficient. Can you imagine how many hospitals will close under 0bama care.

Brat4life on July 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Neighbor.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Near Arlington?

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Athens, southeast of Dallas.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Already have a caravan leaving Houston on the 10th. So far about 30.

HoustonRight on July 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Midcities. About 8 minutes from DFW.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

think I just figured out where the $250K number came from. At or above and you’re “rich”. Below that and you’re the hard working middle class. Just like these folks…

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

Onus on July 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Already have a caravan leaving Houston on the 10th. So far about 30.

HoustonRight on July 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

We bought plane tickets. My husband works on an oil platform and doesn’t get home until the afternoon of the 11th. We are flying out of DFW and getting to DC a few minutes before midnight. We would have loved to have drove, but his schedule wouldn’t allow it.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM

I could care less what is in the bill. In fact I hope it is even worse than mentioned. Maybe then, just maybe, folks will wake up. I doubt it however. It is the same with government spending and deficits. I had hopes for trillions and trillions. Why? Billions did not do the trick. If we are running the country into the ground let’s do it right.

The bill is passing. I’m just curious which Repubs will be voting for it.

patrick neid on July 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM

That’s hilarious. I would rather fly but friends think it will be more fun to have our mini parade to DC.

HoustonRight on July 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM

As the awesome Herman Cain puts it, it’s not health care REform, it’s health care DEform.

Jayrad on July 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM

where can i get details on this event

blatantblue on July 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM

HoustonRight on July 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Hey, I think a caravan sounds like a blast. We like to meander around see sights. We need to gather all the Texas folks together on the 12th. I am hoping for a huge turnout that cannot be ignored!

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM

where can i get details on this event

blatantblue on July 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM

http://www.912dc.org or several other sites.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM

This man will do or say anything to bring this country down to 3 world standards .He is a very angry person who has read Marx and understand it and how to use it.I only hope and pray we wake up in time to save this country.

thmcbb on July 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM

http://www.912dc.org or several other sites.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM

thanks
if i can i want to fly in
only an hour really

looks like a good event

blatantblue on July 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM

They are banking on the fact that they can scare the American people in 10 and 12 with those nasty republicans who want to take away your security (ala soc security and grandma eating dog food)
The problem is that this is one huge boondoggle and people will be wishing they had dog food and healthcare they could pay for out of pocket. With no jobs, those idiots are pushing a revolution.

CHANGE!

ORconservative on July 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM

He’s a Red-State Dem… he “gets” it because he likes keeping his job, much like one of my Senators, Mary Landrieu.

teke184 on July 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Landrieu isn’t up anytime soon is she? I thought Vitter was the next one up for reelection. Both can go as far as I’m concerned.

highhopes on July 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Landrieu was up last year and won with her highest percentage yet due to Obama and poor candidate selection for her opposition. (LA Treasurer John Kennedy has flipped from Republican to Dem and back several times over the course of his career.)

Vitter’s a good Senator but not much of a human being. The problem with ditching him is finding another Republican who has the statewide support to win a Senate race here.

I figure he’s relatively safe for now just because the Dems can’t recruit a candidate worth a crap to take him out. A friggin’ porn star, Stormy Daniels, is the only major opposition candidate to Vitter announced at the moment, and her winning would be about the only way to put a bigger joke candidate than Al Franken into the Senate.

teke184 on July 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM

They were revoked. He wasn’t CMed or even disciplined. He legally challenged the validity of his orders and won.

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM

The order revocation seems to comply with the Obama administration’s foreign policy: Apologize, give in, quit, run away in fear

VibrioCocci on July 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM

patrick neid on July 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM

So true… It sucks to be 55 years old right now, with the remaining years so bleak. Half of my retirement is gone; half of the equity in my home gone; had to bring my oldest son home from college to help around the house with the bills…

My son just said it sucks to be 21 years old right now.. O.K., must admit he’s right on also.

Keemo on July 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I will try an email every Texas organization I can find and suggest that exact thing!

HoustonRight on July 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM

With no jobs,
ORconservative on July 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM

There is the inconvenient truth. Nothing is as sure as massive job losses between now and 2012. What the hell do Barry and Rahm have up their sleeves to distract folks from that minor detail?

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I have no problem with people having to buy some sort of major medical insurance.

clnurnberg on July 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

As someone who is young and healthy but doesn’t have health insurance, I’m not too fond of it. It’s not cheap and doesn’t seem worth it considering I have more than enough to cover myself should I need to do so.

The little medical care I need wouldn’t at all be worth the high monthly bill.

Athens, southeast of Dallas.

TXMomof3 on July 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Midcities. About 8 minutes from DFW.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Small world. I used to live in Plano and miss being so close to Dallas. There were always better restaurants nearby. I miss Banana Leaf on Preston the most.

Esthier on July 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM

The House hasn’t soaked the rich; they’ve declared war on the middle class and the uninsured.

Soak the rich: let the tax cuts expire, raise taxes, add a surcharge to pay for [fill in crazy Obama policy here]

War on the middle class: take away jobs by applying policies of soaking the rich

Uninsured: you’re gonna pay one way or the other

Barry: “Did I leave anybody out?”

VibrioCocci on July 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM

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