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Hillary to triangulate for Obama on Israel?

posted at 12:57 pm on July 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Greg Sargent at Plum Line reports that Hillary Clinton, who has seen her role as chief diplomat somewhat eclipsed by Barack Obama’s world tours, plans to make a big splash later today in a major speech on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  While Obama has been pressing Israel for concessions, Hillary plans to slam Arabs for perpetuating the hate and intolerance that keeps the crisis in motion.  Is this a triangulation effort by the White House, or Hillary distancing herself from Obama?

In a major foreign policy speech this afternoon, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will take direct aim at Arab states for not doing their part towards securing Mideast peace, demanding that “all sides” do more to crack down on the “cultures of hate, intolerance and disrespect that perpetuate conflict,” according to an advance excerpt I’ve obtained.

Clinton’s muscular tone towards Arab states could blunt criticism from conservatives who say that the Obama administration has disproportionately pressured Israel by demanding a complete halt to settlement activity. Hillary’s speech seems designed to publicly reinforce the message that Obama delivered privately the other night to concerned Jewish leaders: That he’s serious about demanding action from Arab states as well as from Israel.

“We know that progress toward peace cannot be the responsibility of the United States –- or Israel -– alone,” Clinton will say. “Ending the conflict requires action on all sides. Arab states have a responsibility to support the Palestinian Authority with words and deeds, to take steps to improve relations with Israel, and to prepare their publics to embrace peace and accept Israel’s place in the region.”

Clinton will criticize Arab states for sitting on their hands while awaiting a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the wake of the 2002 Saudi peace proposal, which offered Israel recognition in exchange for withdrawal from occupied territories. She’ll insist Mideast peace can’t be achieved by viewing the problem as exclusively an Israeli-Palestinian one.

The Clintons practically invented triangulation, the process of appearing to be on all sides of any issue in order to defuse critics.  If that’s what this is, then having Hillary handle it for Obama makes perfect sense — and certainly doesn’t hurt Hillary at home in New York.  With the Democratic nomination for governor wide open next year, she may choose to bail out of State and try for a role with more meat to it, especially since Obama has restricted her authority by (a) having UN Ambassador Susan Rice report directly to the Oval Office, and (b) conduct foreign policy himself.

With that in mind, Hillary may have decided to distance herself from Obama on Israel.  Recent issues, such as Obama’s response to the protests in Iran and Bill Clinton’s quasi-endorsement of a challenger in the Democratic primary to incumbent Kirsten Gillibrand have prompted speculation that a split has developed between Hillary and Obama.  One can look at this as either, or perhaps both.

Speaking of Iran, it looks like Obama’s offer will have an expiration date:

According to a separate excerpt obtained by the Associated Press, Clinton will also warn Iran that time is running out on accepting the Obama administration’s offer of engagement and could face penalties for continued pursuit for a nuke program.

Who gets to tell Obama that the Iranians just aren’t into him?  They’re not interested in direct talks with the Great Satan.  We’re much more useful to Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as enemies and the center of their paranoid conspiracy theories than we are as an ally — and certainly a lot less valuable to their long-range plans as an ally than the nukes.


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The Jewish vote is not an issue for the dems. Enough of the hit piece

equality on July 15, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Who gets to tell Obama that the Iranians just aren’t into him?

It doesn’t matter who tells him, he won’t ever believe it.

myrenovations on July 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Given her incredible screwup with the idiotic ‘reset’ button, Shrillary will probably try to trianglulate with a parallelogram.

progressoverpeace on July 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

We’re much more useful to Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as enemies and the center of their paranoid conspiracy theories than we are as an ally — and certainly a lot less valuable to their long-range plans as an ally than the nukes.

What Bama doesn’t get is “If you’re going to do the time, you may as well do the crime”. Stupid talk is going to achieve nothing with these savages. What could he say to them that hasn’t already been said? “Ok, how about you only destroy Israel and half of America?”.

mr.blacksheep on July 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

could face penalties for continued pursuit for a nuke program.

I’ll just draw a new line in the sand. You just wait and see. And if that doesn’t work I’ll tell my mommy grandmother on you. That is if I can figure out where the bus was when I tossed her under it.

chemman on July 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

After serious self-reflection, Hilary decides to leave State and run for governor of NY ?

runner on July 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Let’s see:

Obama demands that Israel stop all settlements (Arabs are free to continue)

Clinton demands that all sides stop the “cultures of hate, intolerance and disrespect” (should Israelis stop blowing up Arab buses now?)

Of course – everybody’s treated equally.

Phoenician on July 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Triangle ma’am, triangle v
Triangle ma’am hates POTUS man
They have a fight, triangle wins
Triangle ma’am

WashJeff on July 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I think this is Hillary on her own. She’s going to bail on the Obama Regime, it’s a sinking ship.

The Chicago Thug In Chief’s popularity is crashing, and unless he does a 180 in changing his policies (as in doing things to help the free market instead of kill it) they aren’t ever coming back.

Hillary will run against him in 2012 for the nomination, if Obama’s approval is in the 30’s, of that I have no doubt.

Also, it’s no accident that much of the cabinet are Clintonites, but most of their real power is in the hands of Obama’s Chicagoland Czars, he knows they are going to turn on him at some point.

wildcat84 on July 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Phoenician on July 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Good point.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Total BS so far. Lemme know when she attacks Israel.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The old “Bad Cop, Bad Cop” strategy.

Cicero43 on July 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM

After serious self-reflection, Hilary decides to leave State and run for governor of NY ?

runner on July 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Shouldn’t that be QUIT State and then be unqualified since she would be a quittor?

Oh sorry, only Conservative politicians quit…

/sarc

Shepherd on July 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Everyone begin asking where was Hillary, then she appeared for this…the only reason for this is Obama did not want to appear as taking over that State Dept.
But soon Hillary will be pushed back…the Joe Biden of diplomacy.

right2bright on July 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Both she and Soto can’t shut up, and yet say nothing.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Clinton’s speech live on cspan
JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Obama is now on the boob tube hawking healthcare again.

So much for Hillary’s speech.

Knucklehead on July 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Andrew Cuomo isn’t going to like the idea of Hillary running for governor — he’s already designated himself as the guy who’s going to kneecap David Patterson in next year’s Democratic Primary.

jon1979 on July 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I think this is Hillary on her own. She’s going to bail on the Obama Regime, it’s a sinking ship.

The Chicago Thug In Chief’s popularity is crashing, and unless he does a 180 in changing his policies (as in doing things to help the free market instead of kill it) they aren’t ever coming back.

Hillary will run against him in 2012 for the nomination, if Obama’s approval is in the 30’s, of that I have no doubt.

Also, it’s no accident that much of the cabinet are Clintonites, but most of their real power is in the hands of Obama’s Chicagoland Czars, he knows they are going to turn on him at some point.

wildcat84 on July 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Yes, I think so. And, with Palin moving strong on the rail, she doesn’t want to lose her PUMA support to another woman.

a capella on July 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Clinton’s speech live on cspan
JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Obama is now on the boob tube hawking healthcare again.

So much for Hillary’s speech.

Knucklehead on July 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

If I canceled my TV cable service would he and his staff go away? POTUS seems to live to be on TV.

WashJeff on July 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Will Hillary be resigning for “personal reasons” soon?

Ann on July 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

For being The Most Intelligent Woman On Earth, Hillary seems to make a lot of stupid career mistakes. Just sayin’.

Cicero43 on July 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Obama is now on the boob tube hawking healthcare again.

So much for Hillary’s speech.

Knucklehead on July 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Exactly. Didn’t Obama schedule a speech to conflict with Cheney’s?

Wethal on July 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Hillary has been a political animal since before ‘Bambi was born. He’s tried to kneecap her and I’m thinking she’s tired of it. Pelosi is ‘Bambi’s cappo and even though she steps over the mark now and then, he’ll still cover her back. He clearly doesn’t like Hillary, is afraid of her and Bill, and will only let her play in the sandbox when it’s for a reason….I’m guessing that we’re about to pull the rug out from under Netanyahu. Very few in D.C. understand the support that Israel will always garner from the average guy in the U.S..

24K lady on July 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Shouldn’t that be QUIT State and then be unqualified since she would be a quittor?

Oh sorry, only Conservative politicians quit…

/sarc

Shepherd on July 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

However, if she went roque and was forced out, she wouldn’t have that problem.

ICBM on July 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Just threatened to “lead with diplomacy” against adversaries or allies.

Translation: We will join Solana and impose a solution on Israel, complete with Jerusalem and boundary issues.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

a capella
Many of the PUMA’s are in Palin mode now. We live in interesting times.

24K lady on July 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Hillary dissing Iran now.

Deplorable, unacceptable.

Says we “inherited” the Iran situation

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Says no illusions of dialogue, but will do it anyway

LOL.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

If Obama thought that he could just marginalize the Clintons and destroy them by subjugating them, he’s more stupid than I thought! I wouldn’t be surprised that these months of relative quiet from the Clintons could have been occupied by them conniving to get this intruder under their thumb. If so, should be fun to watch. Never thought I’d vote for the Clintons in any fight, but while I always considered them leftists, I never thought they wanted to DESTROY THE USA, like Obama.

Christian Conservative on July 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Obama admin offers Ahmad regime a liferaft, just as the regime is teetering.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I need to know this:

Is Hillary going to oppose Teh Won in 2012?

Why/Why not?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

amazing that the party who pisses on the jews are the ones that put these pus heads into office.

hawkman on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Exactly. Didn’t Obama schedule a speech to conflict with Cheney’s?

Wethal on July 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Yep, only Cheney didn’t take the bait and stalled his speech until Obama was done.

Knucklehead on July 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM

The current administration prides itself on straddling all sides of any issue. It’s all about ‘inclusiveness’. I’m sure they’ll stand for something some day. Maybe. Besides spending money we don’t have.

Stand by the for China meeting the end of this month. Want to bet the Chinese tell Hillary! and Timmy that ‘the bank is closed’?

GarandFan on July 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Hillary dissing Iran now.

Deplorable, unacceptable.

Says we “inherited” the Iran situation

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Yes, we did. From Jimmy Carter.

Wethal on July 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

amazing that the party who pisses on the jews are the ones that put these pus heads into office.

hawkman on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

That didn’t make any sense.

If Democrats put Democrats into office, what does that have to do w/ Jews being pissed on?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Yes, we did. From Jimmy Carter.

Wethal on July 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

+1

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Amazing the feminists have not called out Obama’s marginalization of Clinton. Imagine if Bush did the same thing to Condi? How the libs would scream!

But all is okay. Clinton (both Hillary and Bill) are secretly calling on their pals in politics and the media to undermine Obama.

It is just a matter of time.

SmallGovtGuy on July 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

The Clinton Obama split is real.

I wonder why Obama announced he was going to give an unscheduled speech today at the same time Hilary had scheduled hers?

Very public rebuke of the Secretary of State.

Obama had Jewish groups at the WH this week and all reports suggest it did not go well. Obama’s sinking polls may also have something to do with the newly assertive Hilary.

The Clintons are survivors they are not going to alienate the Jewish vote for Obama’s ego.

elduende on July 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I was unaware that an alternate definition of triangulate is: stab in the back.

Vashta.Nerada on July 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Why doesn’t Hillary want to kill anyone, or win any wars. Do we have to talk forever? Women.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Amazing the feminists have not called out Obama’s marginalization of Clinton.

SmallGovtGuy on July 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Obama is about to give the feminists federal government funded abortion on demand. He has their loyalty, not Hillary.

myrenovations on July 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Amazing the feminists have not called out Obama’s marginalization of Clinton.

SmallGovtGuy on July 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Perhaps Obama is banking on the possibility that the number of feminists is eclipsed by the number of fawning women impressed by his man-boobs.

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Amazing the feminists have not called out Obama’s marginalization of Clinton.

SmallGovtGuy on July 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Some are here, Hilbots, like AnninCa. They are committed liberals, but will never forgive their husbands men Obama for taking away Hillary’s birthright. They’re more dangerous than regular libs, and even more hateful and prejudiced imo.

JiangxiDad on July 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Hillary is a carpetbagger. It doesn’t matter if it is a blue force, or a red force, she will move in a skim whatever she can skim. Be careful what you all wish for.

Limerick on July 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Is Hillary going to oppose Teh Won in 2012?

Why/Why not?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

If (when) we are still suffering economically under Obama’s policies in 2011, and his approval ratings look worse than W’s, I can see her going for it.
She’ll have to have some kind of explanation of how her policies will succeed where P.BO’s failed, but the real factor will be whether or not the media turns on Obama.

Count to 10 on July 15, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Who gets to tell Obama that the Iranians just aren’t into him?

Or thinking Americans who aren’t on the dole, drunk or high?

NoDonkey on July 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM

If 2 angles of a Hillary triangle measure 58* and 62*, extrapolate the hypotenuse for x.

SouthernGent on July 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Yep, only Cheney didn’t take the bait and stalled his speech until Obama was done.

Knucklehead on July 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Well, its only polite to defer to the President before you differ with him.

Count to 10 on July 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Is it just me or is anyone else getting tired of the President showing up on T.V. everyday? What’s next, Cartoon Channel on Sponge Bob Square Pants to talk about his sinking ship or QVC to peddle his Health Scam?

yoda on July 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Is this a triangulation effort by the White House, or Hillary distancing herself from Obama?

I believe that Obama only does centralization.

Joe Bloggs on July 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

but the real factor will be whether or not the media turns on Obama.

Count to 10 on July 15, 2009 at 1:39 PM

How likely will that be?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Was that a foreign policy speech or a campaign speech?
I didn’t catch anything about N.Korea, she aid something about global warming, women being hurt the most from the shrinking economy, and giving our men and women in combat ammunition. Israel has got to be wondering if we are more of a threat than a friend.

fourdeucer on July 15, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Obama spoke at Cairo so everything’s cool. Pass the relish and mustard. My hot dog needs a fix.

Fletch54 on July 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Palestine/Israel….Yawn. That circle jerk has been going on for 50 years with absolutely no chance of solution as long as Hamas and the PLO refuse to acknowledge that Israel has a right to exist. Extermination is their motto. Google search the movie Obsession. Enough said.

Instead Obama/Clinton should be devoting their time to triangulating their chimp Zelaya, who is now calling for insurrection in Honduras. If Obama had not jumped to his defense none of this would be happening. Instead they are fueling a potential bloody civil war. Then what?

Will we actually allow Chavez and his cronies to murder 10’s of thousands? Is this to be Obama’s Rwanda moment.

patrick neid on July 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

How likely will that be?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I don’t know. They have been loyal dogs so far, but ‘if it bleeds, it leads’, and there will be a lot of bloodletting if P.BO’s poll numbers drop bellow 30.

Count to 10 on July 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

There’s only one thing for which Hillary is triangulating: the Oval Office.

Vic on July 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Yahoo news just had a feature story about Hill’s struggle for relevance.

jgapinoy on July 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Obama: killing two birds with one stone. I gotsta give him big props, it was tactically and strategically brilliant.

Silencing Hillary and Bill by giving them a job their egos couldn’t refuse, then rendering them powerless within it.

he chucked that boomerang ~6mos ago, it may be on its way back soon.

ted c on July 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Obama: killing two birds with one stone. I gotsta give him big props, it was tactically and strategically brilliant.

Silencing Hillary and Bill by giving them a job their egos couldn’t refuse, then rendering them powerless within it.

he chucked that boomerang ~6mos ago, it may be on its way back soon.

ted c on July 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Idk about that. Billary are likely much more Machiavellian than Teh Won is.

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM

It could be an entertaining development if the Clinton cartel decides to give The One the shiv when the opportunities present themselves. Quietly, of course, and without fingerprints.

The Hero of Chappaquiddick pulled the same strategy on Carter and we got Ronald Reagan out of the deal. A win-win!

Cicero43 on July 15, 2009 at 2:07 PM

patrick neid on July 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Good analogy. The only problem is that Clinton was somewhat remorseful for f%$king up the Rwanda crisis (Susan Rice, Ogabe’s UN rep, not so much).

I seriously think Ogabe wants whatever helps Chavez and Morales (the cokehead twins) in Honduras.

PimFortuynsGhost on July 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I think y’all give Obama credit for smarts he doesn’t have. He’s listening to Rahm, who is relatively intelligent, and Axelrod, who is good at one thing only, and he has the great good fortune to look and sound like exactly what the press wants.

When the press realizes they bought a pig in poke and wound up with an opossum, they are very likely to turn on him, and turn on him hard. That will be Hillary’s opening, but the Clintons are not coming back. She will wound Obama, who will already be falling, but she will not have the wherewithal to close the deal and get elected. Obama is still likely to be renominated, but less likely to win a second term.

Buford Gooch on July 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM

“Yes, we did. From Jimmy Carter.”

NO. From Ayatollah Khomenei and his friends. Why are you accepting Obama’s world view that it’s ALWAYS the US’ fault. How many times has the US attacked Iran? O. How many times has Iran attacked the US? At least three from the top of my head. And don’t give me shit about the coup in 53 (which Clinton already apologised for).

Hope on July 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Will we actually allow Chavez and his cronies to murder 10’s of thousands? Is this to be Obama’s Rwanda moment.

patrick neid on July 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

If that does happen, let’s hope Honduran patriots have as much Internet savvy and access as the Iranian protesters had.

guntotinglibertarian on July 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM

I need to know this:

Is Hillary going to oppose Teh Won in 2012?

Why/Why not?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

She will lose the black vote. Without which no Dem nominee or Presidential candidate can win.

guntotinglibertarian on July 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Who says it can’t be both? I can very easily see The Won telling Hildabeest she’s got to take the “pro-Israel” leg of the triangle (knowing it won’t help her much after the lovefest with Yasser Arafat’s wife a few years back) – and she’s determined to make the most of a chance to play up how “disillusioned” she is in TW’s leadership now, so she can try the end-run around him in 2012.

Only 88% left to go…

Blacksmith on July 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Do the Palins and the Clintons hide out in the Caribbean for a week before or after Hillary leaves State?

If you want the broad center, that’s it right there, and they could own it.

I think I’ll put on my helmet now…

JEM on July 15, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Barry O = Good Cop, Hillary = Bad Cop.

But I’m rooting for Hillary here. She probably has bitter memories of another Barack (then-Israeli PM Ehud Barack) and her husband being snubbed by Yasir Arafat at the last minute in 2000 after years of delicate negotiations, and wants to warn the Palestinians that she won’t be fooled easily.

The question is, will Obama let her do her job? After a Dem primary debate last year, she called Obama’s foreign policy “dangerous and naive”. She could protect Obama from his own stupidity if given the chance, but will ego, hubris and “dangerous naivete” trump a Secretary of State who slept with the President (sometimes) for 8 years? If so, will Hillary bail out from a sinking ship?

Steve Z on July 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Go Hillary go… You can save the Union… Be the strong, hawk of a Democrat you are… Do our nation proud…

Oh, and knee cap San Fran Nan while you’re at it… And Harry Reid if you’re feeling your oats…

phreshone on July 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I need to know this:

Is Hillary going to oppose Teh Won in 2012?

Why/Why not?

bluelightbrigade on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM
—–
The answer, this far out, is “it depends”.

Hillary is going to try to make choices that leave her able to play the most roles possible – dutiful SecState, administration outsider, “i-told-you-so”, etc.

She’ll be 4 years older, which doesn’t really hurt her.

The problems I see are that she has to have a break with Obama at some point after he’s clearly going down in flames because she has to pick up the independents to win, and she’s still got all the negatives she had in 2008….

My guess is she doesn’t know at this point, although she’s probably going to try to set it up as one of her options.

Mew

acat on July 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Who gets to tell Obama that the Iranians just aren’t into him? They’re not interested in direct talks with the Great Satan. We’re much more useful to Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as enemies and the center of their paranoid conspiracy theories than we are as an ally — and certainly a lot less valuable to their long-range plans as an ally than the nukes.

What about this is a bad thing?

Obama reaches out. Iran refuses to reach back. The rest of the region sees a US that is willing to engage and work with the Middle East. It marginalizes Iran in the region. This is a good thing.

orange on July 15, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I am not being sarcastic, I simply don’t know so I’ll ask:

Why in the world do the Jews continue to vote in droves for the Democrats?

It makes no sense to me. From what I can tell, many of their beliefs are very conservative, but they continue to give patronage to a political party that demonizes their existence at times. Can somebody with some knowledge of the reasons please explain it to me.

Theophile on July 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM

I don’t trust anything she’s says in public.

What I would believe if she (as I hope) sabotages His administration by leaking embarrassing, secret stuff.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 15, 2009 at 10:06 PM

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