Video: Eagleburger blasts “pusillanimous attitude of this regime” on North Korea
posted at 12:57 pm on July 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Lawrence Eagleburger may not look like a dynamo, but the former Secretary of State gave a rather robust and undiplomatic performance on Fox News’ On the Record with Greta van Susteren last night. The Right Scoop gets the key part of the segment, where Eagleburger calls for war against North Korea to eliminate the nuclear threat — while at the same time noting that the “pusillanimous attitude” of the Obama administration means nothing will be done at all to defang Kim Jong-Il and his son:
Eagleburger has daggers out for the current White House, but the main thrust of his criticism actually applies to the previous Democratic President, Bill Clinton, and perhaps to George W Bush as well. Eagleburger slams the US for not acting with force to prevent Kim from getting nukes, and that goes to the mid-1990s, when Clinton signed the Framework agreement with Kim. In that instance, Clinton actually began to prepare for the use of force to knock out Kim’s nuclear sites — until former President Jimmy Carter inserted himself into the situation and embarrassingly one-upped his Democratic successor.
Now that Kim does have nukes, though, the use of force is off the table, regardless of the relative pusillanimity of succeeding administrations. Does anyone doubt that Kim would through a couple of tactical nukes in Seoul’s direction if attacked? He would have nothing to lose by doing so, and everyone knows it. Eagleburger’s advice to use force made sense in 1993-4, but is the absolute last option now. Unless we have perfect intelligence on the location of Kim’s nukes and a perfect ability to destroy them without warning, we’re playing with nuclear fire — which is the reason we should have stopped Kim before he acquired those nukes, and why we have to stop Iran from getting them as well.
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What a great word.
Daggett on July 14, 2009 at 1:00 PM
But Hilliary said they don’t have to pay New York taxes.
Firebird on July 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM
That’s even more accurate. Eagleburger will get there, soon. Everyone will. The reaction to Honduras showed the true situation, here.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM
have to use the proper to get around being bleeped.
Nail on head by the way
jp on July 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Kim Jong-Un looks like a frat boy that just took part in a kegger.
txag92 on July 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM
I am opening a restaurant and serving an EagleBurger…it’ll be 3 pounds of cow, bacon and cheese, and will be marinated in the blood of America’s enemies.
Flyover Country on July 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM
through should be throw
Greenhelmet on July 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Statesman.
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Eagleburger must be under the mistaken impression that Ogabe doesn’t ultimately want Iran to have nukes.
Bishop on July 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Yes, I doubt it because we can destroy his launch sites before he knows what hit him, if we take the gloves off. You don’t really know or understand what our stealth weapon systems can do or what actual intelligence we have.
Bozo is never going to use the toolbox though, for a couple obvious reasons.
dogsoldier on July 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM
How many looked it up?
d1carter on July 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM
The problem with Communist leaders is – they never have a problem with the killing of millions. Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot. Kim. Whether it be by the bullet to the base of the skull, death through work or exposure in the Gulag, or collectivized induced famine – the Communists always kill their millions.
Kim would have no hesitation, whatsoever, to nuke Seoul. The failure to stop N. Korean nuke production blew the top off of Pandora’s Box.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Not just the nukes. There are thousands of artillery pieces aimed straight at Seoul, ready to rain down destruction on that city.
The only hope would be to take out the entire upper leadership so that the troops don’t have anyone to order them to fire on Seoul. And that’s a big risk.
rbj on July 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM
My concern isn’t that he will use it, but who he will give his nukes to for them to use. Who in the Mid East do you think will be the first to get their numbs on his nukes?
RR
ramrants on July 14, 2009 at 1:12 PM
You endorsed this clown. Own it now.
Ted Torgerson on July 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM
How many looked it up?
d1carter on July 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Timidly raises hand….
txag92 on July 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Thanks Jimmah and Maddie!
cmsinaz on July 14, 2009 at 1:14 PM
My belief is that N Korea only represents and existential threat to S Korea. And, frankly, given the militantly anti-American attitudes of the ingrate S Korean public, I say a pox on both their houses. Pull US troops out.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Do NOT worry. The obumbler administration will make sure that only the worst enemies of the free world get nukes. If you are a democracy or ally plan on some very tough conditions if nukes are on the table.
jukin on July 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Eagleburger endorsed Obammy?
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Oops I was thinking of Armitage. Never mind.
Ted Torgerson on July 14, 2009 at 1:16 PM
I pusillanimously looked it up too…
d1carter on July 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM
why not ask some of our veterans of the Korean war how much fun those people are to fight. I think lewis black said it best that Korea is where the flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz come from. These people are evil and the population has been brainwashed to hate americans.
China won’t help, so don’t even think they will.
workingforpigs on July 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Eagleburger’s probably right on this. He should be awarded Kim Jong Il’s glasses as a trophy after the dust settles.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Please don’t use words I need dictionaries for.
Apologetic California on July 14, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Wow!!! Lawrence Eagleburger is like, half of his former self. I can’t believe it. Good for him!
Puddleglum on July 14, 2009 at 1:23 PM
China’s intervention was the only thing that saved NK the last time, and only at a tremendous cost in casualties.
We can take Kim, but Seoul would be sacrificed. There’s the dilemma.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 1:23 PM
A truly despicable human being, Armitage. A parasite attached to his Affirmative Action sponsor, Colin Powell.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM
I doubt that China would care to have a bunch of nuclear blips near her border, either. I wonder what direction the prevailing winds are, in that neck of the woods?
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Go to war.
Great.. the lefties are going to explode.. and it won’t just be their heads.
I say wait.. watch what happends.. and then let the mass of America rise up. Only way that people on all side will justify it.
upinak on July 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM
No matter. The cost just rises every single day, as it does with Iran. There is no advantage to delaying with either of these situations. It’s far better to just bite the bullet and fight as much on the terms we dictate, as possible. Of course, with the traitors and morons in the Washington junta, nothing that is in the US’ interest will be entertained.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Never get in a land war in Asia…
major dad on July 14, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I agree.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 1:33 PM
pussy for short…as they were “pussy’s” for not stepping up and stopping him.
Funny how a word loses it’s meaning when tacking on a couple of syllables.
right2bright on July 14, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Take N. Korea out, and put Iran on notice…China won’t mind, Russia won’t mind, Japan won’t mind, S. Korea won’t mind…
right2bright on July 14, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Wasn’t it Spiro Agnew who added a noun to create the immortal image of democrats as “pusillanimous pussyfooters”–he may have been corrupt, but he sure could alliterate.
horatio on July 14, 2009 at 1:35 PM
I won’t mind.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Bush’s hands were tied since they had nukes by time he was in power.
This is the fault of Jimmy Carter and Clinton, unless you make the case we should’ve taken the Kim regime down decades ago.
jp on July 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM
“The prevailing winds are southeasterly in summer, and northwesterly in winter.”
I’m southwest of Seoul, but maybe I’ll stock up on Iodine anyway.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Last of a dying breed.
Instead we’re saddled with the likes of Admiral Mullen and Robert Gates, who insist our war with Afghan peasants which they started by attacking American cities cannot have a military solution.
Chris_Balsz on July 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Actually, it may still be an open question whether he could actually deliver said nukes. Regardless, it wouldn’t be the nukes that did the damage, but the entrenched artillery he has hidden on the boarder that would do the damage to Seoul.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I saw recently someone comment that the only thing that will save our country would be another attack on our country. Sad, very sad. So will it take another Pearl Harbor to get this all in check, Hawaii is close to Korea and a likely target. I’m sure their friends (and Obama’s buddies) in Iran would be happy to supply the guidance systems for them, just to piss everyone off.
workingforpigs on July 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM
The nukes are for Tokyo (if he can get them there) — South Korea will be leveled by artillery in the event of war.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM
I suspect the Chinese have cultivated quite a few of the NK ruling cadre, with a view to increasing Chinese influence after Dear Leader is gone. China likes that the Norks can stick their finger in our eye, but greatly fears being overrun with millions of NK refugees should the regime collapse, and would probably prefer to see the current NK brinksmanship toned down.
JackOkie on July 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Starting a pre-emptive war is a bad idea, since NK hasn’t attacked us militarily. Face it: the world will condemn us and both parties of our Congress will experience a pucker factor that keeps them constipated for a year if we moved. Hell, the POS-in-Chief isn’t able to tell NK to ‘bring it on’, like PRESIDENT Bush challenged AQ.
The NKs like dialogue, it works for them. The way to deal with a pusillanimous pipsqueak like Kim Jong mentally-Il is to ignore him. No negotiation, no bluff, no bluster. But keep the anti-missile defenses ready, and gently mention though discreet diplomatic channels the idea “we will bury you.”
Too bad the street thug in the White House, his fellow travelers in Congress, and the cowardly Republican Party will never do that.
Liam on July 14, 2009 at 1:45 PM
China will mind, Russia will mind and S. Korea will be scared $hitless.
China needs to step up and deal with those shmucks. O-weenie is to weak to get tough and move China off their dead ass. China worries too about refugees. Angelina Jolie and Madonna have enough money to clean the resulting mess up quick. N. Korea has no money now, so Hollywood money would be huge.
saiga on July 14, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Japan won’t mind, except for the potential radioactive fallout. They’d probably understand it’s better than having Tokyo nuked in a few years though. Russia probably wouldn’t actually care much, though they’d protest loudly. South Korea would have to be part of the effort. China would mind, because they’d lose a big chunk of face, unless we could find a way to have them be part of it too (no idea how we could do that).
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 1:47 PM
The Norks declared the truce off. We are, legally, back in a state of hot war with the Norks, by their own declaration.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I have a funny feeling that once one nuke is used, all of them will be used. That is the way of extermination. That is the way of Communism. I have no doubt that a split-second destruction of Seoul is more of a reason to NOT attack N. Korea, than the fear of an artillery barrage.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM
We should have finished this job in the ’50’s, just as we should have finished Saddam the first time around.
And Patton was right; after the Germans surrendered, we should have mopped up Russia. A job half-finished is a job undone.
Steven on July 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Sadly enough, our best case scenario here might just be a Chinese invasion of NK. South Korea would mind, because a lot of them want the north back, but the NK army is less likely to shell their capitol to rubble if the US isn’t the one taking them out.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM
I’m not sure what you are getting at.
The artillery is a much more widespread and certain way of taking out Seoul — there really isn’t anything we can do to prevent it from happening once the order is given. A nuke might just be shot down, and doesn’t do enough damage. However, the artillery can’t reach Japan, so they want to use nuke-tipped missiles to take them hostage as well.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Did Eagleberger just call Obama a pussy?
Sign that guy up for Sarahs Head of State!
dhunter on July 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I’m saying that the appearance of certainty that, if attacked, Seoul will be destroyed in a split-second, is more of an incentive to NOT attack N. Korea – as opposed to fearing an artillery barrage.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Remember the findings of the 9/11 Commission…………..?
And to think……….
……….. just last night I had a dream involving witnessing an atomic blast.
Spooky……..
Seven Percent Solution on July 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Should’a
Could’a
Would’a
Way past the clock ticking…
And now Iran will follow the same game plan: Delay, delay, delay, hey check out our new toys! Conversation changer.
juanito on July 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Dang didn’t make it through the filter try this?
Did Eagleberger just call Obama a (slang for cat)?
Sign that guy up for sarahs’ Head of State dept.!
dhunter on July 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
And its not simply conventional artillery. The NKs have large stockpiles of chemical shells.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
I don’t think so. What a nuke could do to Seoul is pretty insignificant compared to what a few hours of shelling would do. NK pretty much already got SK under its thumb — the nukes are about projecting out to more victims.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
I think Obama would be willing to pay any blackmail North Korea asks for even today. Imagine what it will be like in a few years when NK has more nuclear missiles than we do.
I think women would actually vote to pay any blackmail that NK might demand even today. I think the Democrats can stay in power indefinitely by making us susceptible to blackmail and taking the ransom before death postition that would electorally prevail with the current voting demographics.
Buddahpundit on July 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM
That’s it in a nutshell. Well said, and I couldn’t agree more.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Ideally a USA-PRC-ROK coalition. But that’s seems fanciful.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM
I wonder what Stalin would’ve used on Berlin in 1945, had he a nuclear capability?
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Nah — that would get Seoul shelled.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM
With Obama as president it’s a word everybody will need to learn for use in polite company. Luckily, here at HotAir we can use the short form to call Obama a pussy.
FloatingRock on July 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM
My WWII timeline familiarity is pretty shaky, but, by the time Stalin got with artillery range of Berlin, he knew he had the city, and would have wanted it intact. But I’m sure he would have tried to nuke Berlin with a night bombing raid when Stalingrad was under siege, as he was largely helpless to do anything to Germany at that point.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I speak 3 languages fluently, but I had to look this one up.
saus on July 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM
With Obama as president it’s a word everybody will need to learn for use in polite company. Luckily, here at HotAir we can use the short form to call Obama a pu**y.
Dratz! My first attempt to post this disappeared into the nether! It looks like we can’t use the short form any more. :(
FloatingRock on July 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Of course Seoul gets shelled in any scenario, as you pointed out.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Let me guess: Spanish, French and German? ;-)
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I don’t think Seoul gets shelled if China invades alone, with the US and SK sitting on their thumbs (or maybe even publicly objecting to it). Though I suppose the leaders could be that nuts: its hard to say.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Ah, but they haven’t attacked. Their threat to launch a missile on July 4 was stillborn; maybe a ploy to get us to move first and cry ‘victim’?
NK talks but doesn’t act beyond its limited capacity. If the US responded militarily on mere words, we’d be seen as the bad guy, the ‘aggressor’ in UN parlance.
My view, instead of military action, is let NK spew all it wants while ignoring them. Ever see the show Family Guy? Stewie is basically Kim Jong Il. Ignore him and he freaks. The difference is KJ Ill is soon to die. Stewie ceases to exist soon as the network cancels the show.
NK needs to be removed from the ‘family’ of nations, no doubt. War to win that won’t work for the US at this point, under this POS ‘president’.
Liam on July 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Not really. The synonymous meaning between the long word and the slang is what made the meaning of the longer word easy to remember.
baldilocks on July 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM
NK could use Seoul as a hostage against PRC invasion as well. China has a much bigger and more important economic relationship with ROK than NK now. At that point NK would have nothing else to lose anyway.
DarkCurrent on July 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Not really. The synonymous meaning between the long word and the slang is what made the meaning of the longer word easy to remember.
baldilocks on July 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM
They declared the war, “On”. That’s quite enough.
Who cares what their “ploy” might have been? I don’t see the relevance.
The US is seen as the bad guy, the ‘aggressor’, no matter what. I don’t see how this would reasonably figure into our policy, as it is a constant.
I don’t think this is good policy. It only invites greater problems.
To be honest, I never quite understood the meaning of this “family of nations” thing. It’s never used except to stop us from dong what we need to do. But the rogue states do whatever they want, anyway. I look at any “family of nations” talk as a cop-out. It is meaningless.
This is true. I am speaking about what US policy should be, if we didn’t have a retarded traitor in the White House. Given the fact that The Precedent is a great hater of America, it’s clear that he will not do anything that might be good for the US.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM
To clarrify, I only meant that it was true that we had a POS Precedent who wouldn’t let the US do what we needed to do. A war would still work, but this treasonous Precedent would never allow that, since it would work.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Hmmmm. Then that gets tricky.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Not if we nuke them first. I say that we should attack first and use nukes. What are we going to do wait until NK launches one or two on Seoul or even Japan before we take them serious. Use the Nukes Now and end this before they can a bunch more.
Sporty1946 on July 14, 2009 at 2:53 PM
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Hello again!
I’m on your side here, please know. I’d love seeing NK popped out of the known universe by American power, either militarily or economically–in any and every way our United States wins.
Our policy should be strong as you and I agree. But in reality, there are a lot of people in DC who would never allow it. We like our views and, I promise, I’m on your side; we’re of the same mind. Then reality sets in, so we’re both screwed.
I don’t buy the ‘family of nations’ thing any more than you. America is a sovereign Nation, the greatest challenge to the old world order in all human history. In 1946, we could have controlled the world and enforced a Pax Americana but we didn’t. A testament, to be sure, of what you and I believe.
The reality of ‘now’ is what it is. WE can’t just wipe NK off the map tho, like you, I believe we should. The greater, and maybe sad reality, is that NK is going to get away with what it does.
Taking another tack, does not liberty require letting other nations be what they will to be? American liberty is for Americans; we didn’t go to war to impose our Constitution on the monarchies of Europe after we became a Nation.
At this point, rhetoric of tiny bankrupt nations really don’t matter. If we acted on the words of Kim Jong, we’d have a crapload of diplomatic matters to attend. Why go there? Idiots are their own undoing, so let KJIllness rant. He’s his own undoing.
Again, I’m on your side in desire to trash his shitty little hovel of a country. My tactics are just a little different. Excess is always it;s own undoing.
Regards always,
Liam
Liam on July 14, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Pusillanimous: for your viewing pleasure.
BrianA on July 14, 2009 at 2:58 PM
I recently watched a show about North Korea on The History Channel. In it, Madeline Halfbright stated that the Clinton administration had reached an agreement with N.K. to end their pursuit of nukes and it “would have worked except the plan was ruined by the 1994 election in which the Republicans gained the majority and screwed everything up” (paraphrasing)
Needless to say, there was no rebuttal by anyone, of her contentions, which is usually the norm on most History Channel shows. Revisionist history at it’s finest.
Clink on July 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM
I doubt that China would care to have a bunch of nuclear blips near her border, either. I wonder what direction the prevailing winds are, in that neck of the woods?
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I’m not sure China cares that much about a few nuclear detonations. One of the more fascinating DVD’s in our local library back up in Port Clinton, Ohio was on the history of nuclear weapons. Great footage of blast effects, even some from inside submarines as they collapsed from local test blasts. The best one, though, was propaganda footage from the Chinese of how they would use a nuclear weapon on a battlefield. It showed a nuclear blast, with mounted cavalry soldiers charging toward it. So they sacrificed maybe a couple thousand of their own soldiers to make a movie.
They just don’t value human life the way the West does.
SteelGuy on July 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I understood this, Liam. I was just saying what should be, by my thinking, though it’s clear that there’s no chance of any of it being implemented, given what we have in Washington. I just wanted to directly address some of the issues you raised, as to declarations of war, family of nations, etc., since they come up all too often.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM
The NK artillery is all hardened: we could blow all of our nukes on them and they would still level Seoul once it was over.
Count to 10 on July 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM
For some odd reason, I think the residents of South Korea would seriously mind.
BallisticBob on July 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
How many looked it up?
d1carter on July 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Torch on July 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM
darn it. Mis-use of tags.
Torch on July 14, 2009 at 3:40 PM
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Yes, that nonsense comes up way too often. I don’t get it, though. I can’t figure out what makes so many people, liberals most often, embrace the notion that a country that enslaves its own people is morally superior to America.
What was the liberal cry in the 60s: Power to the people?
What other Nation has given that except America? But liberals don’t understand that, as you and I do–among others here.
I don’t get the notion that a woman raped and murdered in a dark alley is more moral than a woman who guns down her attempted rapist with .45 autoloader.
I don’t understand how we came to believe being in poverty and living on the public teat is more noble than working for a living. Ever see The Lost Battalion, my newfound friend? It says a lot, in a short conversation between two soldiers. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend it for your viewing pleasure.
I don’t believe what you and I hope for is impossible. It’s hard, yes, but not out of our grasp. The Founders set it up so that might be so; they gave us a Republic if we can keep it.
With enough people like you and I, we will.
Regards, with prayers of all peace and prosperity to you and yours,
Liam
Liam on July 14, 2009 at 3:40 PM
I did, but it was after either Ed or AP used it in a post a few months back.
I love it, though…the single best description of BHO one can have…
bluelightbrigade on July 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM
We have a hostage situation here with ten thousand North Korean artillery tubes pointed at Seoul. North Korea will self-destruct any minute without any help from the outside.
Tantor on July 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM
I don’t believe anything will happen to N. Korea unless they fire a nuke. Then, maybe Obama would do something, but I doubt even that.
Iran will get a nuke unless Israel has anything to say about it. Obama will never go there. IMHO.
Geronimo on July 14, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Costwise…why not?
The NK Army is down to a few divisions, if you can call them that, that are actually considered combat effective, and they have had no combined arms training in well over a decade; the NK air force is down to a smidgen of its air fleet, rusted aircraft sitting on hardstands, a few of their best inside underground bunkers, which are observable even from Google Earth…can’t hide addets and aprons; their Navy? Not much for surface warfare craft, far fewer deep ocean capability, if any, and at-sea training, nil.
The NK armed forces are getting the second largest portion of the NK economy, after the 1%, the KWP elites. And their present rations are subsistence, not high caloric, not the sort of thing that builds strong minds and bodies.
And they have “nukes.” OK. Deliverable? Possibly. To where? South Korea and Japan. But we have pretty good indication where they are and where their missile “facilities” if you can call them that are located. There are choke points all across that country…physical and political, and most of all militarily. Kim Chong-il still hangs on to power…and only he can release any weapons…and if he is not able to follow day to day, hour by hour, events, in his present state…who will give the orders to attack or counter-attack, or order the release of their cache of WMD? Not a whole lot of initiative among the military leadership…to do so is to invite being purged.
The populace? Well, 1% are living high on the hog. The other 99% not so much.
Repression? Abundant. Even among the elites.
Power struggle? In motion. The O Kuk-ryol faction is backing the baby Kim [Kim Chong-un] and there is evidence of the oldest son having a following of his own. Some scant evidence of a few among the leadership having cut out their own territory. In between, a lot of that 1% vying for their piece of the pie once Kim Chong-il has shuffled off his mortal coil….which is predicted before the end of Summer, perhaps early Fall.
In other words…what better time to strike and remove the pestilence?
Wait around a year or two, watch a minor purge or two take place, watch baby Kim as Prince Regent being led by O Kuk-ryol, who has had this vision of a modern 20th century combined arms force for North Korea; O Kuk-ryol who has been abroad, and has seen up close what a trained force can do and what an ossified force such as North Korea’s today cannot do.
But, as a cost-benefit thing, hit them when they are at their weakest and in disarray. Or try to weigh the costs when they have reconstituted themselves, and have a new leader and a Prince Regent to defend…with updated training, arms, and new western tactics…and allies from Tehran to Caracas.
Jingoist? Maybe. But Eagleburger has a valid point. it should be examined closely as such.
Compared to voting “present” instead of making hard decisions.
Myself? Perhaps allowing the nation to starve itself into submission would be a better tack. But, personally, I dislike watching innocents by the hundreds of thousands die to prop up a dying regime…and they lost a few million last decade. Would have lost more had it not been for UN and US and other nation’s food aid given freely…most of it going to that 1% and to the military.
If we had a President who was actually in tune with the real world, instead of clinging to an imagined and desired Utopian dream, we could make this work.
coldwarrior on July 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Uhh, doesn’t Kim Il Dingleberry Dip Squat have like, the fourth largest standing army in the world? And the Korean peninsula really isn’t that big.
oldleprechaun on July 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Guys, I didn’t say “nuke” them…
right2bright on July 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I agree. The regime could be toppled in a long weekend, BUT you would have to ensure dear leader is taken out so they cannot launch the missles. A combo of taking out the leader and the nukes would work, but the American people are not ready for that and our military is too bogged down in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Sapwolf on July 14, 2009 at 5:21 PM
From the True Grit Generation referenced during the POTUS campaign as fuddyduddies and “too old”, Lawrence Sidney Eagleburger (b.1930) is an American statesman and career diplomat who served as the United States Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush. He previously served in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Carter, and Reagan, as well as George H. W. Bush.
We’ll see.
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maverick muse on July 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Sad, but probably true.
I have my doubts it will happen, based on the Leftist bent of 99.9% of “historians” in this era, but Carter and Clinton will someday be remembered as two of the worst American Presidents ever.
Del Dolemonte on July 14, 2009 at 6:34 PM
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