Video: Crowder’s magnum opus on CanadaCare
posted at 8:47 am on July 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The big lesson from Steven Crowder’s undercover look at the single-payer health-care system in Canada? “Don’t get sick on Sunday.” Actually, we can probably narrow that to, “Don’t get sick,” because Steven demonstrates that the only thing reliably covered in CanadaCare is the bill. Long waits and service rationing are the norm, as his PJTV episode shows:
It starts off with an ironic moment. Haven’t we been told that a single-payer, government-run health care system will save money by having clinics handle normal care for everyone rather than hospital emergency rooms treating those without insurance for routine issues? Guess where Steven and his friend have to go on a Sunday — and check out the wait just to see the triage nurse.
Of course, getting into a clinic — even when it’s open — takes some time. You have to get a primary-care physician assignment first, and that can take two to three years. “But don’t worry,” a nurse tells Steven. “You’re young, you have plenty of time.” Does she know that for certain? She doesn’t ask why Steven wants a blood test, after all.
And what is the solution on the lips of the health-care providers? Watch the video to find the answer, but suffice it to say that it wouldn’t make Barack Obama very happy.
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The director of nursing at our hospital in Texas is from Canada, and has similar horror stories about her mom’s medical care in Quebec (short version — if you drive three hours to get cancer treatments and the physician fails to show up for the appointment, that’s your problem, lady, so just come back in six weeks and we’ll try again).
jon1979 on July 14, 2009 at 8:51 AM
You won’t see this in “Sicko”.
Nethicus on July 14, 2009 at 8:51 AM
If this doesn’t convince every American to oppose Obamacare then nothing will.
WordsMatter on July 14, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Too bad I can’t watch videos on this carpy laptop :D
Oh well, later I will on someone else’s
I always like his videos a lot, much better than his articles
blatantblue on July 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM
My mother recently saw a specialist for symptoms that first appeared 5 months ago. She needs surgery to treat the condition and to determine whether it is cancerous. She has to wait another 5 months for the surgery. This is in Ontario where private health care services are not legal.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM
I’m sorry about your mother
blatantblue on July 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM
My Grandpa needed a hip replacement for osteoarthritis. And he got it. Seven months after he was put on the waiting list.
My Great Uncle needed a knee replacement. He got it. After TWO YEARS on the waiting list. Guess what? His other knee is now so bad that he needs to have that one done too. So back on the waiting list, he goes.
And my favorite personal story from an urgent care physician: After having problems in my chick parts, I went to an urgent care facility. I was already in a decent amount of pain and the moron MD they sent in to look at me was really, shall we say, rough. His suggestion to me? Have more sex and maybe my female parts wouldn’t hurt so bad. Jacka**.
mjk on July 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM
He did an incredible job.
And we should ALL be terrified.
While simultaneously dialing our Reps and Sens to scream and shriek not just “No”, but “HELL NO!!!”
tree hugging sister on July 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Alright, enough with the Spanish.
Bishop on July 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM
I caught that video,on Big Hollywood last night,and its
fairly accurate!!
canopfor on July 14, 2009 at 9:04 AM
Oh my…I’m sorry to hear that. I’m very sorry….
ladyingray on July 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM
2009 Big Brother is an updated King George requiring that colonists/citizens buy ONLY British/Statist taxed goods, making all local trade illegal, all locally produced goods illegal, from your garden to your medical care.
maverick muse on July 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM
In real practice, Marxism is neo-feudalism.
maverick muse on July 14, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Just get used to it,we’re doomed.
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Government Health Care.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Government Health Care.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM
i fear that is very acurate.
SHARPTOOTH on July 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Government Health Care is just infinite demand.
Abortion forst, then RATION and KILL. The eugenics final solution.
tarpon on July 14, 2009 at 9:13 AM
That’s really well done.
drjohn on July 14, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Thanks, but I was trying to say that ‘universal health care’ is even worse than the video depicts. People do die waiting for surgery, or get the surgery too late to save them.
The only good thing about the bad economy right now is that it may stop Obama’s insane plan. I sure hope so.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Waiting a year or more to find out if you have cancer etc for yourself or your family will get ugly. We are not Canadians.
patrick neid on July 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Thanks, we’re all just hoping that it all works out. Maybe that’s what Obama means when he talks about ‘Hope and Change’. Change to universal health care and hope you don’ get screwed by the new overburdened, underfunded system!
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I’m almost afraid to see what happens if AnninCA shows up to this thread…
bluelightbrigade on July 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM
It’s 20:32 minutes well spent. Great vid Crowder.
Highlights:
2-10 hour wait to see a doctor?
$900 for a dr. appt if you don’t want to wait?
They cut off both legs for someone waiting for care???! WT?!? And cut off the healthy leg FIRST?
Socialized healthcare is a crap sandwich with malicious intent to control us. NOMW.
conservative pilgrim on July 14, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Let’s see if she watches the video first.
conservative pilgrim on July 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM
That’s the exception! Government is great!
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SouthernGent on July 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM
As a contrast I just saw a surgeon the first week in June. He told me I needed my knee replaced. My insurance has already approved the procedure took one call from the Dr.s office and I’m scheduled for the surgery next week. Rehab is already planned and the Dr.s office has ordered the necessary equipment for home and it’ll be waiting for me when I leave the hospital. The rehab therapist will be coming to my home too. My cost for this, obviously, substandard insurance and care $65 a month and that’s for me and the wife. Of course I will have to pay a deductible which I think will amount to about $500….bastards.
Oldnuke on July 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Lived in the French system.
Turns out that Crowder’s not completely right — there are ways of combining public and private health insurance. It’s not apocalyptic — but it is moderately expensive and wholly inconvenient. And the care was substandard.
The waits there were very similar — if I had an injured child that had to go to the emergency room, I brought a laptop and two DVDs. And plenty of paper towels for them to bleed into. It frustrated me a bit.
Prufrock on July 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Great piece and a job well done. Unfortunately our dear president Obama can’t seem to waste our money fast enough. He’s DEMANDING they spend all of our money THIS WEEK!
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM
EVERY AMERICAN NEEDS TO SEE THIS!
Great work Crowder and PJM.
blink on July 14, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Indeed. :]
bluelightbrigade on July 14, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Uh oh, she’s on the Quote of the Day thread.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 9:27 AM
must.not.go.there.but.i.must…
bluelightbrigade on July 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Okay. What’s the best method to assure this goes “viral”?
oldleprechaun on July 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM
If AnninCA hits this thread, I think it could hit at least 500 comments by this afternoon.
Anyone?
bluelightbrigade on July 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM
I think the real question is “Will her head explode?”
Oldnuke on July 14, 2009 at 9:32 AM
The only question is will the R party be able to stand up and start calling the Left liars? Some fruitcake senator said that everyone should have the same care that he has as a Senator.
Forget courtesy…shout the truth: these guys are husters, selling this country down the river. If you are sick, if you are old, you will suffer under these guys.
Can we please have the R’s stand up and shout????
r keller on July 14, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Two sure fire methods. Have Limbaugh mention it on his program. Get Hot Air to run it. Oh wait. :-)
Oldnuke on July 14, 2009 at 9:34 AM
But, but, we have a health care CRISIS! PrecedentOsamabamaBidenHussein told me so.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Well of course we have a crisis. That was my point! Why I almost had to wait for my knee replacement.
Oldnuke on July 14, 2009 at 9:41 AM
She won’t believe it…
ladyingray on July 14, 2009 at 9:41 AM
It has taken me since APRIL to get a blood test and an ultrasound done. This also involved two 30 mile drives across Sydney.
The only way I could get these tests done for free is a small fee to my family doctor. She was very kind to me.
My next follow up blood test is in OCTOBER for which I have already booked an appointment.
This was/is for free.
Crux Australis on July 14, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Great video, well done.
rogersnowden on July 14, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Only watched 6 min, but don’t see how someone w/out a broken wrist having to wait a long time is an indictment of the system. Try doiing the same in oneof the emergency rooms in my area and same will happen.
The real story is what happens when serious cases are untreated 4 too long, or when meds/treatment is denied. Then we know the outcomes can be fatal.
JiangxiDad on July 14, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I don’t know about ya’ll, but this video scares me silly. I mean, I appreciate his lighthearted take on it but think about this:
They KNOW this. There is no way in hell the people who run things DON’T know that this is what actually goes on in Canada, France, etc. They have to know this. The only other answer is they are completely incompetent and working with folks who flat out lie to them, telling them the Canadian system is the best thing ever. Any simple investigation into Canada’s system would reveal how awful it is.
If they know this system doesn’t work and they still want to implement it, they are doing it for a reason. And that reason may be power or it may be eugenics, genocide or all of them. I mean, what other explanation is there? They want power and want the population reduced tremendously. It’s murder at best, right?
So much for the “all men are created equal” thing.
Am I missing something?
Thunderstorm129 on July 14, 2009 at 9:54 AM
The thing that really struck me in this video is the “I don’t give a damn” attitude of the receptionists and nurses. Understandable when they are nothing more than government employees and have no profit motive.
It reminded me of the DMV. He even had to take a number. Do we really want a trip to the doctor to be like a trip to the DMV?
JohnInCA on July 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM
I look forward to the day when our health care system becomes one that looks like it’s from a 3rd world country, and more of my crummy neighbors can die off.
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Part of the problem is that the ‘triage’ may be inadequate to determine how urgent a case may be. And the doctors often screw up as is shown much later in the video where a woman talks about how her infant was sent home from one emergency room and a day later admitted for 6 days in another.
A friend (Ontario again) was sent home from the emergency room and told to take tylenol. He had acute abdominal pain. The second time he went in, his appendix burst while he was waiting to be seen. He recovered, but it took 6 months instead of 6 weeks.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 9:57 AM
That’s why it’s so important to watch the full 20 minutes or so of video. Strung together, all of the vignettes paint a picture of a failing, inefficient healthcare system that doesn’t give a damn about the patient.
WordsMatter on July 14, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Government employees tend to be pretty apathetic; they don’t have to compete for customers. But they also know they are powerless to change things for the better.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Hopefully your neighborhood is populated with Statists./sarc
WordsMatter on July 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Keep in mind there are only 34 million people in Canada.
Try ramping this system up to 330 million people and imagine the Federal grid lock.
Babs on July 14, 2009 at 10:01 AM
We have private medical services here in BC. I’ve said before, on a different thread, that here in Canada we have now, and have always had, a two-tier system in which the more money a person makes, the better care that person receives. If a person can afford it, they can go to any country and pay for better/different medical care. Every province handles federal mandates differently, but the two-tier system runs across the country. We also have private insurance available here.
Doctor shortages are rife here, and we lack an adequate number of clinics and hospitals. Hospital and clinic closures in rural areas (rural meaning a town of 5000) are forcing residents to travel three hours to the nearest facility, provided they have transportation, if they don’t, “sucks to be you” is the government line. And of course facilities (doctors) can only bill for specific coverage areas, if the patient lives outside the facility billing area, they can’t receive service at that facility but must go to one in the proper jurisdiction.
And on it goes… we have a million rules, and a million problems to go with each one.
lili on July 14, 2009 at 10:01 AM
This will “kill two birds with one stone”. Our population will be thinned out as people die and/or are determined not to have a good rate of return on the government’s investment by a bureaucrat, and in doing so, America will reduce her carbon footprint, thus saving Mother Earth!
The adults in the WH have it all under control.
Mo_mac on July 14, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Warning Govt monopolized Socialist Health Care Sucks
As a Canadian,why can I buy prompt & efficient vet services for my dog but it is illegal to take care of my self? I don’t even have a family doctor as my old one retired and the other doctors are not taking any new patients.I am fortunate to live across the river from Ontario so I can pay in full for relatively quicker service & three months later be reimbursed for a fraction of the cost by the Quebec Govt. If my life is really in danger, then at least I can go to the States as a last resort. I detest living under the yoke of socialism. God bless America.
Zorgon on July 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM
There will still be people who fight the truth tooth and nail.
rollthedice on July 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Only watched 6 min, but don’t see how someone w/out a broken wrist having to wait a long time is an indictment of the system.
JiangxiDad on July 14, 2009 at 9:49 AM
JohnInCA on July 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Why yes, there are!
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 10:14 AM
You need a slower medical system that matches the Obama slower “green” solar powered ambulances. Slower ride to hospital=shorter wait for care when you get there or even better, no further care needed as too late.
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 10:19 AM
I would like to know how long it takes to get an abortion in Canada. Surely the waiting list can’t be more than 9 months. If I were a betting man, I would say that Canadians can probably get abortions pretty quickly for two reasons. One, it is one of the highest virtues of liberalism to get an abortion, and two, abortion reduces the future burden on the health care system. In other words, it is cost effective, but then again what government agency is ever concerned about what is cost effective.
GrammarPolice on July 14, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Fantastic video by Crowder, as usual.
Here’s another one. Laugh it up. This is their reality.
MadisonConservative on July 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Excellent!
Bob's Kid on July 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM
With the future “green” operations, will the heart/lung machine be hooked up to solar or wind?
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I have to say it’s not all bad. My dad had a heart attack a couple of years ago and he went to the ER, they started treating him the minute he arrived … his subsequent operation (which was the following day) and stay in intensive care was all covered under Ontario health insurance. At the time we all remarked how lucky we were to live in Canada.
… my point is that it’s not all bad
CityFish on July 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I too lived under the French system. They have a government-sponsored plan called Securite Sociale, which covers most life-threatening problems to 100%, but doctor’s visits and pharmacy for routine ailments between 30% and 60%. Payments to doctors are limited to a fixed amount per visit, most General Practitioners (generalistes) try to run patients through quickly to see more patients (make more Euros) per hour. This is OK if you’re not seriously sick, but a frequent cause of bad diagnosis. The Government program takes a percentage of a person’s income on a progressive scale–make more money, health care costs more, but the quality is the same for everyone. Some doctors (honoraires libres) charge more (sometimes double or triple) than the Government-allowed payments, and the difference is out of the patient’s pocket, unless he/she has private insurance.
There is also private health care insurance (Mutuelle) which usually covers what the Government program doesn’t. Unless a person needs major medical care, Mutuelle pays back about the same amount as government health insurance, and costs about a quarter as much.
The French system is probably not as bad as that in Canada or the UK, since private insurance can “pick up the slack” for those that can afford it, and the Government system was designed to provide basic, “first resort” care for everyone, without trying to drive private insurance out of business. But even in France, “ne soyez pas malade le dimanche ou en aout, le medecin n’est pas la.”–don’t get sick on Sunday or in August. The doctor isn’t there.
Steve Z on July 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM
haven’t seen the video yet – can’t watch videos at work.
CityFish on July 14, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Seriously????
LOL My god, that would have got him sued so fast in the usa that his head and your bank account would both be spinning.
But serious, I have similar stories from New Zealand.
sonofdy on July 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM
We need to strap down every elected official, tape their eyes open, and make them watch this on a 24/7 loop until they ‘get it’
Universal Health Care is a failure.
Wolftech on July 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM
My sister-in-law is a harpist with a major orchestra in Alberta.
Her eighty-something year old music director slipped and hit his head…and then had to wait FIVE HOURS to get seen at the hospital.
Sis-in-law had back problems and had to wait a long time for the surgery. She would have waited longer but since she’s still a US citizen they sped it up a little-but only a little.
annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Great job Crowder :) Your experiences in Canada gave me chills….recalling my similar experiences under the british NHS system.
But don’t worry….Obama & Congress will realize they have no legal authority (per the 10th Amendment) to enact such healthcare legislation and abandon their plans.
ROFL I kill myself sometimes
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Is that story really true? I have me doubts.Aren’t you always saying that sister in law is always harping at you?
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I’ve said before that our system works very well when a person is in obvious danger of imminent death. My father too got excellent care several years ago when he had a heart attack. At the time, he was on a 3 month waiting list to see a cardiologist. He’d gone to his doctor with serious symptoms and within weeks couldn’t walk across the street without getting short of breath. Three months was the best they could do. Fortunately it wasn’t a serious case or he would have been one of the ones who died waiting for care.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Jeff
Har.
annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Anyone who was ever a “dependent” using a military hospital will remember this one… The appointment schedule for August opens on Monday. You better call right at 7 a.m. because by 7:05 ALL the appointments are gone. Just see if you can get a phone call through at 7 a.m.! If you could get an appointment, care was usually good…it was getting seen that was the problem. And, yeah, you could always go to the emergency room and wait.
texabama on July 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM
How much do Canadians spend on health care?
mycowardice on July 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM
It’s safe so say that if they bring this crap here I start playing Yankee-Doodle-Dandy.
The line is drawn. I won’t watch my loved ones wither and die with a number like cattle.
The Ronin Edge on July 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Stop paying taxes or stop complaining.
If you think that begging at your masters’ feet [to please not subject you to hardship] is going to work, you’re already part of the problem.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 11:17 AM
The good news is you’ll recognize the doctors and nurses from your last visit to the DMV.
Coronagold on July 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM
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Mortis on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
How much do Canadians spend on health care?mycowardice on July 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Each province does its own healthcare. In Ontario, which has about 1/3 of Canada’s population, the health care budget this year is consuming 43% of the province’s budget for a total of about 52.5 billion dollars.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
How much do Canadians spend on health care?
mycowardice on July 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Each province does its own healthcare. In Ontario, which has about 1/3 of Canada’s population, the health care budget this year is consuming 43% of the province’s budget for a total of about 52.5 billion dollars.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Sorry about that, mycowardice, I didn’t mean to scratch you out.
ProfessorMiao on July 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM
There is a problem in Canada of wait times for surgeries, but ER wait times are not related to that.
Long emergency room waits are a problem everywhere there are hospitals. If you want to judge based on that, you could argue that this is an indictment of the American system.
YYZ on July 14, 2009 at 11:33 AM
My point was that in the hospital half a mile from me an eighty year old with a head injury would be fast-tracked.
That he waited that long-and he wasn’t an average joe either-was outrageous.
annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM
The problem with the American private system is that it needs to be radically deregulated. We should be able to shop for insurance nationwide. Insurers need to be able to discriminate more thoroughly. Customers need to be able to volunteer additional confidential information (communicated between their physician and insurer) to negotiate lower premiums. Prescriptions should be advisory, not mandatory (you should be able to simply purchase any drug from a pharmacy at will, but seeking a doctor’s advice via prescription is a voluntary smart choice).
Fundamentally, we need to smack some sense into people and make them realize that they have no right whatsoever to healthcare.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Crowder doing the job Republicans won’t do.
nottakingsides on July 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Another point not covered by the fab Crowder in Canada – Corruption, which is always a big player in inefficient govt run programs..
If you have a prominent Doctor among your friends or family in Canada, a plugged in Nurse or administrator etc etc – You WILL get bumped up and see a specialist in what can be considered record time.. Friends in high places always trumps egalitarianism..Socialism at its Best!
saus on July 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Every Canadian family has its own horror stories. In the last ten years, it has gone from frustrating and slow to absolute chaos and bureaucratic hell. Waiting 6 months for an MRI (for example) is standard. I won’t go into the income tax aspects of this. I find it too painful.
A year or two ago, some of the hospitals in Ontario were closing their operating rooms for a week or so around Christmas in order to, get this, save money (!). In other words, patients are not a source of revenue, they are simply viewed as cost causers, an inconvenience that gets in the way of the hospitals’ real business: empire building, paying too many unionized workers, complaining, etc. etc. How much better things run when the patients are excluded! The government health care monopoly is itself a huge barrier to reform (surprise).
pussum207 on July 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM
This is the inexorable statist enslavement of America….inch by inch
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM
If only watched half the video and I am both mad at democrats for even thinking this type of system is feasible and scared to death that they will get it implemented.
Mallard T. Drake on July 14, 2009 at 12:38 PM
I lived in Canada all my life until a couple months ago when I relocated to New Mexico. From my experience, this video is not far off the mark. Yes, it highlights the “bad” side of the system and of course not every visit to the hospital or doctor turns into a week long endeavor with a disastrous ending but there are far too many people that no matter how much you try to tell them think that Sicko is an unbiased factual account of how things are run. Unfortunately it’s idiots like Moore’s side of the story that get most of the attention.
Paradox Drive on July 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM
All of these systems initially promise unlimited, free, high quality health care. It never happens because it can’t.
That fantasy is illogical on so many levels that only the terminally stupid or the Left could fail to see it. But I repeat myself.
RadClown on July 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Great example of why BHO should never get another term in the Whitehouse.
tx2654 on July 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM
That video is great, and it hits the nail right on the head.
One in six Canadians don’t have a family doctor; mine quit two years ago and my wife’s doctor said he would take me on as a patient. The only problem is that he retires in less than two years. What are we going to do then?
Health care is rationed, just like the video says. And there are many Canadians who are convinced that any privatization of the system will lead to “American style” health care. The only way to fix our sick system is to allow privatization, and competition, and that will force costs down.
The public sector unions that rep the health care workers naturally want more spending; Ontario already spends 1/3 of its provincial budget on health care, with 1/3 for our education system (more public sector unions there; quelle surprise!), and 1/3 for everything else.
You may well get a “free” public health care system, and the left’s tame lapdog media megaphones will shout it’s praises. My worry is this: where will Canadians go to get better health care, once your system is socialized?
And its true about the cost of stuff up here; it’s much higher, especially fuel and anything with alcohol in it. At this time, approximately 25% of all gasoline sold in the U.S. comes from Canada, but we pay 10-20% more than Americans for fuel. Ontario brewed beer is cheaper in New York State, than it is in Ontario, and that’s allowing for the difference between the U.S. and the Canadian dollars!
rightsideupinthegwn on July 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Regarding the part about paying tax on a tax…
Welcome to Californicate, Steve,
We pay sales tax on the final price of a gallon of gas that is computed AFTER all other taxes are added in.
In February, the state legislature passed a budget that includes surtax on the income tax that Californicators pay. We are taxed on the tax that we are taxed.
Liberalism sucks.
kurtzz3 on July 14, 2009 at 12:49 PM
But, but, but we’re not going to do a health care system like Canada, or the UK, or France. We’re gonna make an American system and America can do anything!
Typical Leftard response.
rockhead on July 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM
rockhead on July 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Yes, yes…..we are much smarter than all these other countries and their decades of failures. We will ration health care a new way!
nottakingsides on July 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Brilliant! Steve is a favorite at our house. What a great way to appeal to the young.
GunRunner on July 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM
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