CBS: Obama dropped six points in a month
posted at 10:55 am on July 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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How bad has Barack Obama’s decline at the polls become? Even CBS has finally realized it. Both approval and disapproval numbers have moved sharply over the last month, and in the wrong direction, as voters have discovered that Obama hasn’t a clue about the economy and creating jobs. You’ll be surprised to discover where CBS thinks he’s losing support, too:
President Obama’s approval rating has fallen six points in the past month, a new CBS News poll finds, amid growing skepticism about his handling of the economy and questions about the impact of the stimulus package.
The president’s current approval rating, which is 57 percent, is still relatively high. But it has fallen 11 points from its peak of 68 percent in April, and has also dropped since last month’s mark of 63 percent. His disapproval rating, meanwhile, has risen from 23 percent in April to 32 percent today.
The decline in support is coming not from Republicans – whose support for the president has actually risen – but from Democrats and independents. While 82 percent of Democrats still approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing, this number is down ten points from last month.
The president’s support among independents has fallen eight points to 50 percent. Only 30 percent of Republicans back Mr. Obama, though that’s up from 23 percent in June.
Among Democrats? That’s certainly interesting, and one can see how that would affect a CBS poll. After all, they rigged this poll again to oversample Democrats:
- Republicans: Unweighted – 256, Weighted – 220
- Democrats: Unweighted – 314, Weighted – 332
- Independents: Unweighted – 374, Weighted – 392
They used a weighting formula to artificially create a 12-point difference between Republicans and Democrats, and then report that Barack Obama has a 57% approval rating in the general population. What a shock! Even with that, they still note that his support dropped six points from June and eleven points from April.
On the economy, Obama still has a plurality in the CBS weighted poll, but it’s almost a statistical tie at 48%-44%. Democrats approve, but only 66%-28%, and independents are in a statistical tie at 46%-43%, Only 21% of respondents think the economy is improving, with 33% saying that it’s getting worse, and 45% saying it’s staying the same. Neither of those last two numbers help Obama, almost six months into his term as President.
A majority (52%) believe Obama is trying to do too much, up from 38% in April, a trend that has uncomfortable portents as Obama pushes Congress to work on nationalizing health care and rationing energy production. In fact, Obama is now down to a 49% approval rating in this CBS poll on health care, traditionally a strength for Democrats. In this weighted poll, Americans are statistically split on whether to reform health care in the midst of a big economic downturn. Interestingly, they don’t ask that question about cap-and-trade.
Rasmussen, of course, has shown this slippage much more accurately. In their passion index, Obama has slipped to a -8, and the level of strong support has dropped to 28%, his lowest number yet.
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Who are these (R)s?
cmsinaz on July 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Six points? That means in reality he’s dropped considerably more.
darwin on July 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
ah… so the weighted is…
35% dems, 23% gop….
D+12 ?????????????????
Good night! Dan Rather would be more fair than this!!!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Figments of the left’s imagination.
darwin on July 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM
If 35% of the respondents in the poll are Dems and only 23% are Republicans, imagine what the real mood of the country is right about now.
Doughboy on July 14, 2009 at 11:00 AM
He doesn’t know anything about health care either. But that won’t keep him from spending money – other people’s money of course.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I know that reporting this caused a lot of heartache in the newsroom at CBS. I’m sure there was hand wringing and even some tears, but it was the right thing to do.
myrenovations on July 14, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Maybe, like me, they approve of him failing like the epic failure he is. Maybe?
SouthernGent on July 14, 2009 at 11:00 AM
agree darwin, they typically over sample Dems of color in their polling, They have done that since he entered the primaries. That is why his polling kept looking good and he kept losing to Hill in KY WVA OH PA TX etc etc…As a Dem I have never been called for a poll….of course I am a DINO now I guess..wandering in the political desert looking for a GOP leader to round us up and bring us back to America….
ginaswo on July 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM
They could save Medicare spending by increasing the age to 70 before you are eligible for Medicare. Of course, that would be taking people OFF OF government health care. . . something Obama and the Democrats don’t want.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Only 30 percent of Republicans back Mr. Obama, though that’s up from 23 percent in June.
………
LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
CBS/NYT polls=JOKE
artist on July 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM
What’s that smell?
rollthedice on July 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM
UNWEIGHTED approval rating (using the 82-50-30 approval of D-I-R) is….
55%.
Much closer to Rasmussen’s 53.
battleoflepanto1571 on July 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Oh yeah, and Medicare isn’t good enough for his UAW buddies that got 17% of the company to pay for their private retirement medical insurance plans.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM
ah… so the weighted is…
35% dems, 23% gop….
D+12 ?????????????????
Good night! Dan Rather would be more fair than this!!!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
That’s what they must do to prop this guy up.
artist on July 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Even Carville’s Dem polling firm (PPP) has Obama at 52%.
artist on July 14, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I blame Bush.
Ted Torgerson on July 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM
DROP YOU SON OF A BITCH! DROP!!!!!!!!!!
Ghoul aid on July 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Most of us are wandering as well. Maybe we need some political manna to get us through.
darwin on July 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I agree that the weighting is skewed horribly, but some statistician enlighten me: with a sample size of 1000, would there even be a need to weight? I would think that the confidence interval would be high enough without weighting. In other words, the only justification for the weighting is to make the numbers look better.
Vashta.Nerada on July 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Crumbling like an over-used TOTUS.
Brat on July 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Hehe. That’s a good point.
lorien1973 on July 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Maybe this time around they rigged it slightly less so it just seems that way.
Joe Caps on July 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Conservatives outnumber liberals by a huge number, the GOP leads on the generic congressional ballot and on 8 out of 10 issues, yet these bogus polls continue to sample Democrats by a much larger margin than Republicans.
In other words, they’re useless.
JammieWearingFool on July 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I suspect they’re still counting Arlen Specter.
Blacklake on July 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM
maybe :-)
cmsinaz on July 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM
i’d like to see the polls after sarah calls him on his bs agenda a couple of more times.
SHARPTOOTH on July 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM
In other words, they’re useless.
JammieWearingFool on July 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM
To us yes, the media and Dems, no.
They are VERY useful to them.
artist on July 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM
good one :-)
cmsinaz on July 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM
After employment numbers are released on Thursday, he will drop a deuce
CMonster on July 14, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Not necessarily. What if you called a bunch of numbers (land and cell) and of the first 1000 to give you responses, 700 reported they were R. Clearly, you wouldn’t think 70% of the country is GOP; so, you’d weight it accordingly. I think there are legitimate reasons to weight the responses that don’t involve making your hero’s numbers look better.
LastRick on July 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM
The buses are warming up!
Oil Can on July 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Buy a clue CBS. The fact that your poll shows this is evidence that your methodology is wrong.
PackerBronco on July 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Hey, Obama…your slip is showing…
ladyingray on July 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
my microwave is warming up. oh, all that delicious popcorn as this fraud sinks.
Ghoul aid on July 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Why don’t they poll 50-50. More party than another makes no sense. Of course his poll numbers are higher than they should be. Most Dem’s will vote for an actual braying ass if it had a “D” under its name.
rollthedice on July 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Don’t worry, CBS sent a letter to the White House apologizing profusely for having to run that poll. They promise to cheerlead as best they can to get his numbers back up.
Thunderstorm129 on July 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM
they apply the ACORN factor
runner on July 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Uh … okay. That’s believable. Sure. Uh huh.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Liz Cheney wiil do quite nicely.
bagoh20 on July 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Because the U.S. is not 50-50, that simple.
LastRick on July 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I know what you are saying, but the sample size, and their raw numbers (27% R, 33% D, and 40% I) make me question the need to weight. The whole idea of statistics, as I recall from my college days, was to randomly achieve an accurate picture from a small sample. If my sample returns the numbers theirs did, I would question the need to weight.
Vashta.Nerada on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
wait until:
CAP AND JOB LOSS
OBAMACARE
AMNESTY
SDarchitect on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Rasmussen is much more accurate than the constant BS channel.
tarpon on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
As if. Does CBS even know how to honestly report news?
Jaibones on July 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Haha yes because Republicans are increasingly happy with Obama’s handling of the plummeting unemployment numbers, cap and tax, obamacare, the increasing deficit, and Obama’s lack of support for Iran (the list is far greater than that)? Whoever conducted that poll should’ve hit the reset button when those numbers appeared.
Shock the Monkey on July 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Obama and boys need to make up their mind on the economy. First they say it is the worst economy in history of time, evah. Then Obama says the economy is improving, but slowly. Then Biden says they had no clue the economy was as bad as it has turned out to be. Then last week, Obama said, again, the economy was improving and his stimulus plan was working. Now today he says he expects unemployment to continue to go up.
Dude, are they doing this on purpose or do they not know what they are doing? This merry-go-round is making me nauseous.
RR
ramrants on July 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I hope he fails faster.
Geochelone on July 14, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Good one.
Geochelone on July 14, 2009 at 11:25 AM
They tried, but they hit the ‘overcharged’ button, instead. So, this is what we get; a Democratically overcharged view of the situation.
Dems seem to have this problem as a matter of course.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I hope he fails.
LtE126 on July 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Or a political Womanna, like a Sarah Palin or a Liz Cheney.
With a few exceptions, it seems that the GOP women have bigger cojones than the GOP men these days.
UltimateBob on July 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I think when republicans are asked, “do you approve of how obama is handling the economy?” and they say “he’s doing a great job. just as expected.” The pollster isn’t understanding sarcasm.
lorien1973 on July 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM
How’s that “historic” working out for you?
bluelightbrigade on July 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Free fallin’…I’m free fallin’…free fallin’ …I’m free fallin’… What is mr.,I want to be liked,hussein obama,going to do now????
ohiobabe on July 14, 2009 at 11:28 AM
But even Rasmussen (the Right’s favorite pollster) had Dem party ID at 38% last month. So if you stuck with 33%, you’d be undersampling D’s. Similarly, Rasmussen had GOP at 32%, so you’d be undersampling them as well.
LastRick on July 14, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Would really love to be at the All Star game to get an accurate crowd reaction when The One throws out the first pitch tonight….
Be he throws like a girl……
BigWyo on July 14, 2009 at 11:28 AM
O/T:
Ghana reports historical nature of Obama trip to visit continent of his BIRTH:
http://www.modernghana.com/newsthread1/226379/1/72799#showcomments2
Califemme on July 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Notice how gray BO looks in the photo on front page? This working everyday is tough…
d1carter on July 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Wouldn’t it be great if Obama would get up there and sit with some charts showing actual data to back up his claims that things are improving, a la Ross Perot?
Of course, he can’t because the data contradicts all of his claims. This idiot is not living in the real world. He’s living in some make-believe Chicagoland bizzarro world.
UltimateBob on July 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Let’s take a ride on Mr. Obama’s Pollicoaster!
FontanaConservative on July 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Major Garret at Wh tweated that Obama is a southpaw (figures :) and that he threw first pitch game 1 2005 ALCS white sox/angels.
Worse part is that I heard he’s going to provide “commentary” for a good part of the game. If he does, I’m out.
JiangxiDad on July 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM
There’s more truth to that than you know.
From North Star Writers Group article,”Dissent Is Not an Option Under the Obama Regime,” the author makes this statement at the end of the article:
VibrioCocci on July 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM
CBS jumping off Obama’s bandwagon–lowest ratings news network agrees to suicide to gain an audience. Too bad the Michael Jackson contingency won’t listen, though it be Lazarus returned from the dead with a message.
maverick muse on July 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM
In other words, he’s a leftist lefty?
UltimateBob on July 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM
The only excuse for “weighting” is to make the numbers look how you think they “should” look. What’s the science behind the “weighting”? That there really are more Dem’s in the general population than they were able to scare up for the poll? Why didn’t they just call ACORN?
mr.blacksheep on July 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Obama reportedly said he would be surprised if his pitch went 30 mph. I’m a girl and even I can get it across the plate at 37 mph.
myrenovations on July 14, 2009 at 11:36 AM
A suitably random sample would tend to have an accurate percentage of the different party affiliations. This whole party-weighting issue bothers me in that it seems like nothing more than a way for pollsters to cheat and save money by using smaller samples that are intentionally shaped to allegedly counter the inaccuracy due to the money/time savings in the process.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Honest Question – why are polls “weighted” to include the opinions of more Demorats than Republicans right now, even though this poll shows more people choosing a Republican than a Dem? Or do I misunderstand the meaning of the poll?
Jaibones on July 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Sent ur line to 3 WH correspondents who accompanied Obama to Ghana. Wonder if they’ll comment on the article.
JiangxiDad on July 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I thought all “paw” references were reserved for the other half.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Unable to COMPLETELY fabricate numbers any longer, they have to stem the bleeding to the degree they can.
marklmail on July 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM
There.
Jaibones on July 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM
He’s part of that vast left hand conspiracy.
Brat on July 14, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Doubt it. I read somewhere yesterday that a WND reporter asked Gibbs what hospital obama was born at, and Gibbsy basically said “without responding directly to the question about the veracity of the letter, ‘Goodness gracious. I’m going to be, like, in year four describing where it is the president was born. I don’t have the letter at my fingertips, obviously, and I don’t know the name of the exact hospital.’”
Califemme on July 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Linky… http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103898
Califemme on July 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM
They’re having such amazing problems just naming the hospital of his birth. Unreal. There’s never been anything like this. Just the friggin’ hospital …
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:45 AM
It’s the stimulus and bailouts. The GM bailout was, in my opinion, the final straw for a lot of people.
It was just so unjustified.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Well, now that we’re all over congratulating ourselves for electing the first black President, we’re starting to see that’s pretty much all he is.
No qualifications, no experience at the table, no real substance whatsoever. No business at all in this job.
After 6 months on the job in all of his other positions, Barack Obama was looking to move onto the next rung. Trouble is, there are no more rungs. You’re on top dude and your making a hash of things. No where else to run and Assholerod isn’t going to save you with a clever ad or a slick speech.
But hey, he’s our first black President. We have that to hang our sombrero on. And that’s really it.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM
In principle you’re right, but your scenario is extremely unlikely, if not basically impossible.
To call a random sample where 700 calls in a row (the first 700, mind you), are all Republicans, even being super generous and saying 50% of america is republican, there would be a 1 in a jillion chance that would occur. (In fact, it would only happen every 1 in 5,260,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 phone calls. You could call a billion times every second since the beginning of the universe and still wouldn’t be within a margin of error.)
I see what you’re saying that if, say, 60% of the respondents were republican that would be out of wack, but with a sample size of 1000 people, you just won’t get incredible variations like that. I think even having 60% gop would be more or less a statistical improbability to a huge degree…
Bottom line: weighting = trash
battleoflepanto1571 on July 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Obama dropped 6 points in a month.
Obama dropped 6 points in a week.
maverick muse on July 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM
There are couple of problems with this:
1) Accuracy demands that you have a large enough sample size. Is 944 people (out of 100 million voters) enough?
2) The method by which you sample (phone call b/w 8-5) automatically affects the responses. What if people aren’t home at that time of day? What about people without phones? Just because they don’t respond doesn’t mean they aren’t going to the polls.
3) Response bias due to pollster. Did GOP voters hear “I’m doing a poll for CBS…” and immediately hang up because they think MSM is biased?
I’ll stop there but the point is made: when you call 944 people, you’re probably not getting an accurate sample of the population at large. So you have to weight it. And my problem with the weighting is not what they did to Democrats (changing it from 33% to 35%) but what they did to GOP (reducing it from 27% to 23%).
LastRick on July 14, 2009 at 11:48 AM
The amazing part is how many people will go to jail for Fraud, and Conspiracy to commit fraud on the People of the United States.
Califemme on July 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Thank you. I never have believed those who say this issue is done, including Ed and AP here. And if I’m a kook for that, so be it I guess. fwiw, hope Ed comments on Gibbs’ weird response.
JiangxiDad on July 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM
No, Gibbs. You won’t make it, like, to year four.
maverick muse on July 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Do you have ANY idea how many people you are talking about when you make a statement like this?
My guess: nearly every elected representative would be in jail.
VibrioCocci on July 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Six months on the job?
Every other time in his career, that was about time to reach for the next rung on the ladder.
But there are no more rungs, Barack.
You’re on the top rung? No where else to go. No way to dash out of this job to the next promotion.
So now that you’ve made a complete mess of things in your first actual job, how does it feel? You’re trapped until 2012, at least.
Clever ads, slick speeches and fawning praise from the media aren’t going to help you now. You actually have to do something and you’ve never really had to do that in the past, have you?
But at least we’ve elected the first black President. And that’s really all he is, the first black President. He brings nothing else to the table.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I addressed all of those points in my explanation – that they do the weighting to cheat and save money on the way they take the samples. But I don’t trust that simple reweighting provides an accurate fix to this, since the non-random nature of the sampling affects many other variables that are not taken into account by mere weighting. This is why pollsters are pretty much hit and miss and none of them are accurate with any great consistency.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Well… Not sure about every elected representative, but there are 50 State Attorney Generals (59 if you ask Obama) who are in deep doo doo, as well as the head of the DNC at the time of the election and probably a few others I can’t think of right now.
Califemme on July 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Speaking of which I was reading an article on Drudge about an Army Major who was refusing to deploy because he did not believe Obama was a U.S. Citizen and therefore not the president.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/776335.html
Very funny stuff.
Shock the Monkey on July 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM
If you bought that then you’ll believe this:
Reported by CNN, your conservative flagship cable channel.
Geez, they even suck at lying.
fogw on July 14, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Your focus is too narrow.
I understand that you’re referring to Obama’s place of birth and the people who may have conspired to keep that a secret, but I’m talking about every representative who did not read any of the bills that were made laws, or who took bribes and kickbacks, illegal usurping of power, tax cheats, etc.
All of ‘em. GONE
VibrioCocci on July 14, 2009 at 11:57 AM
That’s not true. We can go back and look at pollsters’ accuracy after-the-fact. For example, everyone here loves Rasmussen and he was the closest to predicting the final Obama-McCain numbers. So we tend to think that what Rasmussen is doing (his sampling, his call tactics, etc.) are the most accurate. Which is why I don’t necessarily see CBS as oversampling Dems (they used 35%, Ras says 38%); the problem is their number for Rs (they used 23%). Now this doesn’t mean Rasmussen has the GOP party ID number more correct; it could mean he’s better at making undecided/independents get off the fence and admit to being GOP voters.
LastRick on July 14, 2009 at 11:58 AM
If only we could convince him that Secretary General of the UN is a bigger job. I’d love to ship him off to that lunatic asylum (right before we kick the UN out of the US).
And that he’s not capable of doing, either.
He is The Precedent, after all.
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Which was?
Phoenician on July 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM
As a former local pollster, there is a basic link to find out a little more.
Conservatives/Republicans/Whites are not participating in polls/surveys in larger and larger numbers. And those who don’t participate have significantly different opinions from those who do.
This is why they get away with some “tinkering” with the numbers. But this also gives some pollsters the cover to skew the results.
barnone on July 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Anyone else notice that they started the piece with “President” Obama, but by the end of the piece it was “Mr.” Obama.
Somewhat Obermann-esc.
PappaMac on July 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I said “great consistency”. The general idea of weighting by party afiliation seems to claim that views on these issues are homogenous for the individual parties. I don’t see that anyone would buy that. I certainly don’t.
To me, this all looks like fudged data to save money (and to push a particular view in many cases).
progressoverpeace on July 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM
In his blighted vision of the world, it probably is. He could join all of the despotic third world hell holes there in blaming the United States. He’d love it.
So how about it, Barack? 180 days and this job is getting kind of old, isn’t it? Reach for bigger and better things. Bring “Hope and Change” to the planet.
Next stop, Uranus.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM
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