CBO cost estimate of House health-care bill: A cool trillion over 10 years
posted at 7:42 pm on July 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Actually, it’s really a cool trillion over five years. Eyeball the graph Philip Klein posted this afternoon and admire the left’s sleight of hand. They’re using a 10-year timeline to create the illusion that the program costs $100 billion a year or so. In fact, it’ll be more than $200 billion once it gets going, which won’t happen until 2014, and that’s assuming that the cost projections aren’t wildly over-optimistic the way every other projection they’ve made this year has turned out to be. In fact, the trillion-dollar figure doesn’t even account for all expenses; as MKH notes, the CBO has yet to compute “administrative costs” of implementing the program or the effect it’ll have on other areas of federal spending. Still, give The One credit for consistency: Whether it’s borrowing from future generations to pay for the stimulus or hiding the costs of his health-care boondoggle by backloading them, he’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
Or, more precisely, the rich will pay. For now.
To help pay for the estimated $1 trillion bill, lawmakers have decided to tax the wealthy. A married couple making more than $350,000 and less than $500,000 would be hit with a 1 percent tax, those making between $500,000 and $1 million would be assessed a 1.5 percent tax and those making more than $1 million would see a 5.4 percent surtax added to their tax bill. Some of the rates could climb if anticipated savings from elsewhere in the bill did not materialize.
Factor in the likelihood of cost overruns and the dismal prospects for an economic recovery anytime soon and you’ve got a massive program that’s growing being paid for by a tax base that’s shrinking. And if you can’t shrink the program, you necessarily have to expand the tax base. Memo to Axelrod and Emanuel, who are now threatening to cram this crap sandwich down America’s throat on a pure party-line vote if the GOP doesn’t play ball: Go for it.
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One trillion over ten years? That’s nothing. We just spent a trillion in less than one year.
myrenovations on July 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM
I have a great idea… don’t nationalize healthcare, j@ck@ss.
roscopico on July 14, 2009 at 7:49 PM
As I said in the other post, This is a TRAINWRECK of proportions that our economy has never seen.
Dire Straits on July 14, 2009 at 7:49 PM
“American
ExpressDistress Card’s have no limit”- Obamaportlandon on July 14, 2009 at 7:49 PM
History shows that the CBO always underestimates.
Bevan on July 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM
You know, all things considered, that’s less than I would have expected, given how insane it is and how many people it will purport to effect.
Of course, I assume that the reality will be at least 3x whatever the estimate is.
Kensington on July 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM
IF?
2010 is so important.
If…
Like Obama Jr. here in MA who factored in casino licensing fees into the budget, even though casinos weren’t even approved.
reaganaut on July 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM
What an F’ng liar. The Audacity of Bullsh*t. Man, in all my years I don’t think I’ve seen such an audacious liar. I mean, it borders on insanity OR a profoundly dishonest man with a deep, deep reason to hide his plans.
marklmail on July 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM
This is just saddening. The amount of money that is.
Well its Tuesday today, so wheres my money Obama?
FontanaConservative on July 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM
But, but…I thought they said it wouldn’t cost us anything.
marmaran on July 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I can’t believe what is happening in our country- how in the hell can our Reps and Senators allow this??? If there is a country left in 2010 (and right now I don’t hold out much hope) I pray to God that all the incumbants get voted the heck out. I know I will never vote for an incumbant again or settle for a RINO.
theenforser on July 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Who knew that the president of the United States wanted to grow up to be a health insurance salesman?
Didn’t anyone tell him that people run from insurance agents? If I want to end a conversation with someone, all I have to do is tell them that I’m an insurance agent.
And here we have the President wanting to be the greatest health insurance agent in the world. WAIT A MINUTE! I WANT TO SEE HIS LICENSE! I had to get an insurance license in EVERY STATE that I represent!
Classes and tests every year to stay current. When did Obama get his license to sell health insurance?
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 7:57 PM
When Medicare started, the LBJ Administration and Congress said it’d cost no more than $400 million, tops.
What are these idiots thinking?
Ooops…guess they aren’t.
coldwarrior on July 14, 2009 at 7:57 PM
They are greatly out numbered? What do you want them to do?
I suppose they could get in front of the cameras and yell and scream about it, but the Democrats have the votes (in theory).
myrenovations on July 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM
The dollar amounts are atrocious by any means but the cost in human life are heinous.
fourdeucer on July 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Did everyone seen this?
In Russia, Obama met with Gennady Zyuganov, the head of the Russian Communist Party, who told him, “I’ve studied your domestic program, and I think it’s excellent.”
Via David Brooks on the Newshour (link).
jazz_piano on July 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM
But remember, Dodd says they’re not gods.
Weight of Glory on July 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Wait…it’s covered…the Unicorn Crop is supposed to be outstanding this year.
BigWyo on July 14, 2009 at 8:01 PM
400 million? Well there’s 60B a year in fraud alone.
There are about 50 million people on Medicare now. So if we put everyone on it, then we are talking about 6 times that amount. So if they just expand the current system, they are talking about adding an additional 360 B a year in fraud.
CHANGE you can believe in.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 8:01 PM
And Democrats complained that Bush spent too much on the War on Terror.
That bill (wars in Iraq and Afghan), and enhanced security in the US, cost $800 billion.
Obama has spent triple that already in the first few months.
Enoxo on July 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM
These liars are complicit in the murders of each person from which medical care is rationed/withheld.
marklmail on July 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM
I should have been more specific- it’s not just GOPer’s who should be standing up but the blue dogs too. Since they seem to have lost their spines and souls, I will have to lower my expectations greatly.
theenforser on July 14, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Hello Republican politicians, Obama and his gaggle of socialists are destroying us . . . it’s time for you to get very noisy before the entire country collapses under this inept gaggle of Marxists.
rplat on July 14, 2009 at 8:05 PM
When has any government program ever, ever been even close to budget…they say 1 trillion, then I say with certainly at least 3 trillion, and probably 5…
right2bright on July 14, 2009 at 8:06 PM
If there is any remnant of a soul left in the GOP, that is how it will happen.
You have your absolute power, progressives, the power for which you sold your collective soul. Use it, and damn yourselves.
spmat on July 14, 2009 at 8:06 PM
This has a predicted effect: Defense must necessarily be gutted to pay for this and other programs. The left gets their pacifism rush…
TinMan13 on July 14, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Why is everyone talking about this as if it’s a foregone conclusion that we’re going to have it?
Write your Democrat legislators. Tell them NO on this grab of your rights and freedoms.
Skywise on July 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM
I smell another chance for the Maine sisters to make history.
BardMan on July 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM
The only way to fix our economy, energy, and health needs is to spend a trillion dollars each? This is insane.
Greenhelmet on July 14, 2009 at 8:10 PM
marklmail on July 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM
All I can say is I am glad I am not the real Supreme Judge.
fourdeucer on July 14, 2009 at 8:10 PM
If this passes, can it be reversed in 2010/12?
txag92 on July 14, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Americans voted for this man. They wanted change. Bush bad. McCain = Bush.
jazz_piano on July 14, 2009 at 8:11 PM
That’s the kicker. Any politician who tries to push back social programs is accused of hurting the poor, elderly, etc.
jazz_piano on July 14, 2009 at 8:12 PM
From MKH’s article!
does not take into account the other parts of the proposal
that would raise taxes or reduce other spending(particular
Medicare)
The figures released today do not represent a formal or com
plete cost estimate for the draft legislation.
So,they’ve backloaded the costs and consequences until after
the next presidential election.
——————————————————-
The only thing,that Team Liberal wants,is that they passed
healthcare,and in such,they have bragging rights!!!
canopfor on July 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM
That’s the kicker. Any politician who tries to push back social programs is accused of hurting the poor, elderly, etc.
jazz_piano on July 14, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Then it’s a case of putting health rationing front and center.
txag92 on July 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM
If ObamaCare passes, it will never, ever go away.
It will be augmented from time to time, but it will be here to stay.
myrenovations on July 14, 2009 at 8:15 PM
But the rest of the world will love us…they’ll really love us….
They’ll love our navy sinking at dockside, no money for upkeep. They’ll love seeing billions of dollars in aircraft rotting on the aprons, no money for basic maintenance. They’ll love our armed forces reduced to civil neighborhood patrol, since there is no money left for weapons, ammunition or training. They’ll love to see us give up huge swaths of our southwest to Mexico, since we cannot afford to take care of the basic infrastructure, and besides they all speak Mexican, right? They’ll love to see us forced to pull out of every nation in the world that asked us to help them try to find that dream so many of of lived (once upon a time, back in the long before times). They’ll love being able to treat the United States as a minor Third World state…the comeuppance will be delicious.
They’ll love it when our intolerant Christian values are superceeded by the enlightened values of Islamism. And they will love it when the US dollar is below the Zimbabwean dollar in worth…and they’ll love not sending food aid and other assistance to a recently newly emerging nation….us.
Yep, the rest of the world is going to love us.
coldwarrior on July 14, 2009 at 8:15 PM
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2009 at 7:57 PMI actually feel sorry for you. Your business will be the first to go when we have universal coverage. The need for insurance will be a thing of the past.
fourdeucer on July 14, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Y’know what. We’re now sufficiently numb to a trillion—so why not take it up to a quadrillion…even better, make it a zillion. It is so big it doesn’t even matter any longer.
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 8:16 PM
“No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So, governments’ programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.” Ronald Reagan.
I fear he’s right.
theenforser on July 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM
In Islam, it’s known as Taqiyya: the practice of lying to exploit possibilities, to convert shame into honor or to covert the honor of one’s enemies into shame.
Apparently Barry Hussein learned much during his days in Indonesia and that mysterious “vacation” in Pakistan.
Of course, he learned the same lessons from Alinsky.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM
You must understand that they don’t care what anybody says . . . their sole driving goal is to create a pure liberal Fascist state. It’s over for this once great Republic and we can all just hang it up . . . or perhaps Lindsey Graham has another “let’s all try to get along and be fair” speech. The condition of this poor sick country should enrage all liberty loving people.
rplat on July 14, 2009 at 8:19 PM
I really hate to watch myself going this way, and I find it still hard to swallow, but I’m strating to believe that Mark Levin, Rush and others are correct: Barry intends to crash our economy so that he can remake it.
What else can explain his actions?
petefrt on July 14, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Obama had the nerve today to announce that his healthcare legislation was necessary to roll back the deficit. The sheeple were applauding. More proof that Idiocracy is a documentary, not a comedy.
Fletch54 on July 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Insanity, pure insanity.
Terrye on July 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Is there any habitable land/country left on earth that is not infected/infested with socialist nuts, or was America the last stand?
theenforser on July 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Chuck Grassley is running hard to beat ‘em to it.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Well, you’re a year or two late, but welcome aboard.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Two things
1) prediction: hell care will not pass
2) comment: Allah — my gf thinks you are cool. She isn’t really political but she saw you on Twitter. Might be the aphrodisiac gum
blatantblue on July 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
I heard that too and nearly fainted. How can we lower the deficit by spending a trillion more? Also, the costs the gov’t pays for health care is for Medicaid and Medicaid. You want to reduce the costs? End Medicaid and Medicare. I’m amazed at how Obama is able to blatently contradict himself and even more amazed that the sheeple buy it.
theenforser on July 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Yeah but, he said yesterday it would not add to the deficit!!!!!!!!!
Video of yesterday’s announcement of surgeon general. “O” says Will NOT ADD TO OUR DEFICIT IN NEXT DECADE about 1:03 into video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73mS1iOxtK4
So is he lying again????? We have Pinocchio as president!
xler8bmw on July 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM
I can hear it now when the costs reach one trillion in only 3 years. “We underestimated the number of sick people, and I can assure you the waiting list will get longer in the short term” Hope & Change
HoustonRight on July 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM
It’s only $273,785,079 per day.
ericdijon on July 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM
That’s simply another way of saying they’re going to tax the hell out of us.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:33 PMTrue but, the deficit will still go up! And people will only withstand 45-50% taxation for so long then they will explode. By that type of taxation he will have turned us into Europe! This will wind up costing closer the 4 trillion.
xler8bmw on July 14, 2009 at 8:40 PM
O/T Barry throws like a sissy!!
BWAAAHAAAAAA
thomasaur on July 14, 2009 at 8:40 PM
If the GOP cannot oppose this amazing socialist ball of crap, then the party has no identity worth anything.
Splunge on July 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM
The house is looking at putting a 5.4 % surtax for yearly income of over a million to pay for health care. Unfortunately, it will end up much more than 5.4 %, and they are talking about a million rubles, not US dollars.
bayview on July 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM
I so hope it passes. Cap and trade is dead, but long live socialised medicine!
Theworldisnotenough on July 14, 2009 at 8:45 PM
IF? LOL!
Fletch54 on July 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I think 1 trillion is way to low. I think the cost will be triple that. That 5.4% on millionaires wont even cover the costs that money has to come from somewhere else. What is going to happen to SCHIP are they going to do away with that program. If they do what are they going to do with the taxes that they put on cigarettes. These are questions I would like to know.
Brat4life on July 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Now, now. Don’t you worry your ol’ pretty head about that deficit. The plan is for you and your children to pay it off in itty-bitty dollars. The kind you take to the supermarket in a wheelbarrel.
As for 45 to 50 percent taxation, some of us are paying more than that right now, when you throw in FICA and state taxes, and though my guns are cleaned and oiled, they’re not locked and loaded quite yet.
Plus, the sheep won’t even feel those 50% plus taxes – no income; no tax.
Of course, when income tax revenues fall like a rock, there’s always a national sales tax or a VAT tax or cap n tax. Funny how all those are being actively pushed even as we speak.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:47 PM
why else would he be preaching patience? He’s standing on the throat of the economy and spending his political capital until it takes its last breath. Once we hit rock bottom, the only way to go is up. Hello ACORN, Hello Cap N Trade, Hello Green Cars, Hello France…. Goodbye Freedom, Goodbye Liberty, Goodbye Choices, Goodbye Constitution,
He’s the political equivalent of Dr. Frankenstein. The economic thing that’ll emerge will resemble life, but it won’t be alive–it’ll be some perversion that’ll be clunky, inflexible, cold, unresponsive and terrifying. It’ll require huge amounts of power and money and plenty of great “research.” How will the townsfolk respond to our modern day Dr. Frankenstein?
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Of course it’s too low. Simple math. Let’s assume they’re really serious about putting (round figure) 50 million “uninsured” people into a public plan. With current per-capita healthcare costs in the US at about $7,000, that works out to $350 billion per year – $3.5 trillion over 10 years.
Of course, they claim they’re going to be more efficient than the private market.
Which means one of three things (a) They’re lying, (b) Care will be severely rationed (c) Both of the above.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 8:57 PM
This quote is the money quote. If you look at Drudge, Bloomberg is reporting that Obama is open to a fully partisan vote on this. This piece of crap is going to get shoved down our throats by the democrats no matter how much republicans or the American people scream.
They are betting that once they force it through the populace will become so beholden to it that they will never vote for anyone who threatens to repeal or mess with it. Another entitlement to keep the masses under the thumb of the government. And you know what? They are right. . .
KickandSwimMom on July 14, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Fear is the easiest way to get the people to do what you want and change a government!
When the people fear the government it’s tyranny, when the government fears the people it’s liberty! Thomas Jefferson.
When the economy collapses it will be very easy to implement a new government FDR did it!
Entitlements are the best way to control people and has been getting ever worse in the past 40 years while americans slept and didn’t realize the what was happening. Now it is happening at lightening speed because all of the processes have been put into place. If you take away the entitlements people will become fearful that is why they want more to keep the sheep at bay.
Also, notice gun sales continue to rise why? Less trust of the government!
xler8bmw on July 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM
The CBO ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATES COSTS.
burt on July 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Health Care may end up with only the Dummies voting for it.
We don’t need Republican’s votes
Lets hope the republicans vote this down and let the dems take the fall for it. This is what democracy is all about right? They won that’s it. What they say goes.
Brat4life on July 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM
That means the actual cost will be between $3 and 4 Trillion in ten years.
No matter, because if this insanity passes in any form, this country won’t be here in ten years, anyway.
-Dave
Dave R. on July 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM
I see that Allah linked it sorry for relinking it. I missed it in his post.
Brat4life on July 14, 2009 at 9:04 PM
100+
Roosevelt knew that about Social Security, LBJ knew it about Medicare.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 9:08 PM
I’ve got enough guns. Having trouble getting more ammo, though.
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Just to summarize a lot of previous posts:
The whole point is to spend, spend, spend. Doesn’t matter what the money is spent on, as long as an enormous amount of it gets spent. This accomplishes several things:
1. Justification for increased taxes to flatten the social classes. In other words, we’ll all be equally poor.
2. Justification for printing lots of money, in order to hyperinflate the dollar. This solves two other problems:
2.1. Reduces the relative magnitude of the national debt. Might even virtually eliminate the national debt. Also destroys savings and retirement accounts, reducing freedom and creating more dependency on the government.
2.2. Creates justification for a new, global reserve currency.
2.3 Creates a major global crisis, all the better to justify increased government control, up to and including martial law.
Throw in cap-n-trade on top of this, and you got yerself a guaranteed train wreck. A spectacular crisis to provide extrordinary opportunities for those who will rush in and “save us” by creating a (I hate to say it, but…) New World Order. Disclaimer: I’m really not a tinfoil-hat type, but what else to call it?
There’s also the Manchurian Candidate scenario, where the destruction of the dollar and the US economy makes it easier for other players (i.e. Russia and China) to step in and take the global leadership role. And for Soros and Big Business to take advantage of. Don’t know who is pulling the puppet’s strings, but it may be several of these players.
Did I miss anything?
ZenDraken on July 14, 2009 at 9:12 PM
I just applied for my gun permit.
xler8bmw on July 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Can’t we just give
The MessiahThe Mistake a box of Crayolas and some paper and put him in a corner somewhere? Please?He could make some more snazzy logos, phony seals, etc., and perhaps be distracted from his mission to permanently destroy our economy, our nation, and our way of life.
Short of that, impeachment would be satisfactory.
hillbillyjim on July 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM
WTF is all this money to be spent on? I want to see the line by line breakdown of where all this money is to be spent because it just doesn’t make any sense. It’s not as if millions of Americans are turned away from hospitals each year because they don’t have the money for the services they consume. NO ONE is turned away. This makes no sense at all.
How much do we have to be taxed before we’re nothing more than indentured servants? How much must taxpayers give up to the state? What will you have to give up? A new car? A bigger house? A vacation? A child (not having one), dinner and a movie? Private school or college for your kids?
The zero-liability Obama voter won’t sacrifice anything. It is they that will reap the rewards of the Obamanation.
Can we seriously talk secession now? It’s obvious that Liberals need Conservatives to fund their Utopian (Dystopian) state but we don’t need them. A Liberal nation would rapidly turn into a USSR like state.
DerKrieger on July 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Barry pushes this piece of crap through, he and his party had better be prepared for the backlash. The “We were overoptimistic” excuse may get him by once. There will be no second time. If it passes on a party-line vote, the Democrats will have this albatross around their necks for years to come.
GarandFan on July 14, 2009 at 9:32 PM
ZenDraken on July 14, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Your post sent a chill down my spine because inwardly I suspect you are right. We are getting down to the wire folks. They are throwing everything at us at one time knowing that some of it is going to get through because we can’t deal with all the crap at one time. Once they succeed there is no going back – this is what years of entitlements and unfettered immigration has brought to us – courtesy of both parties.
KickandSwimMom on July 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM
So cram through the carrot (the entitlement) so they can use the stick (threat of the legislation being overturned) to keep the sheeple voting for the big D forever.
This is coercion…plain and simple. The chains of economic slavery are being forged in Washington DC –our freedoms are not being protected, our Constitution is not being heeded. Thomas Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence are going unnoticed. We have to throw these guys out of office and provide New Guards as Jefferson stated.
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 9:39 PM
But you Republicans need to stop blocking much needed reform.
Any $$ that doesn’t go to that GOP backed Insurance industry is money well spent!
Seriously you guys, something needs to be done! /
AnninCA
JAM on July 14, 2009 at 9:40 PM
It has been time to secede for a while now. I hope someone actually does it.
Daggett on July 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM
We all have front row seats to the political equivalent of Dr. Frankenstein. The economic thing that’ll emerge will resemble life, but it won’t be alive–it’ll be some perversion that’ll be clunky, inflexible, cold, unresponsive and terrifying. It’ll require huge amounts of power and money and plenty of great “research.” How will the townsfolk respond to our modern day Dr. Frankenstein?
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Daggett on July 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM
How about we force them out of here?
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I’m laughing through the tears!
KickandSwimMom on July 14, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Government programs always cost a lot more than what they originally say. Look at Medicare numbers “In 1965, Congressional actuaries expected Medicare to cost $3.1 billion by 1970. In 1969, that estimate was revised to $5 billion, and it actually came in at $6.8 billion.” http://bachmann.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=125832
Cost in 2007 was $440 billion, 16% of federal spending.
Bullhead on July 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Obama knows we can’t pay for all this, he’s even said the spending is unsustainable, but he keeps pushing it anyway. And the official cost projections and the proposals to pay for all this stuff are blatantly, brazenly nonsense. So he must know, to some degree at least, that this is all a charade.
That being the case, he must know most or all of this stuff will collapse at some point. That being the case, his goals must not be to save the environment or provide universal health care, or to save the economy. He’s thinking beyond the collapse.
Either that, or he actually believes his own B.S., in which case he’s just stupid.
So: Evil or Stupid? Which is it? My bet is a combination of both, since whatever their covert plan is, it will not unfold as smoothly as they think it will. No plan survives first contact with the enemy.
ZenDraken on July 14, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Another possibility is that Obama knows this stuff won’t make it through Congress, but he can say “Hey, I tried and it didn’t work. But I don’t care ’cause I won!”
ZenDraken on July 14, 2009 at 10:09 PM
ZenDraken –
Good points in your posts. My belief is that Obama is nothing more than the “pitch man” for the folks behind the curtain so to speak. I believe he is woefully ignorant on the economy, national security, foreign policy, etc. His only job is to sell the con to the people. Yes, this is a push for a One World Order – which Obama is a believer in. He is a big proponent of “social justice” which only means that we all should be equally miserable.
I believe that pushing health care through is of the utmost importance to the players in this game. This is part of controlling the masses – from cradle to grave. I only hope that Americans will look past the empty promises to the misery it will bring forth in the long run.
KickandSwimMom on July 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Is that number adjusted for inflation?
I think it would be much, much higher.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 14, 2009 at 10:46 PM
I just applied for my gun permit.
xler8bmw on July 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 14, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Not scientific but this is the results of a poll on Facebook.
Should the U.S adopt a Universal Heath Care system?
NO – 10,113 (69.2%)
YES – 4,420 (30.2%)
I really don’t care – 80 (0.5%)
Facebook is no Liberal bastion.
DerKrieger on July 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Perhaps not. It is a bastion of the young and mis- or underinformed. Who when left to their own devices, too often grow up to be useful idiots for the statists.
Message to the Republicans of both the House and Senate: Deny all cover for what these morons now in control are doing, and you need not fear a hundred elections. Give them the cover they seek, and you won’t be able to win a race for dogcatcher in your own hometown. It really is that simple.
Blacksmith on July 15, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Your lack of knowledge about CC laws is astounding. I’m doubting the gun, toting, and libertarian aspects of your moniker.
daesleeper on July 15, 2009 at 1:36 AM
And…from across the pond:
“Elderly people in England could be forced to pay up to £20,000 to guarantee a basic level of social care under long-awaited proposals published by the Government yesterday. A compulsory state insurance scheme is one of three options for funding a new “national care service” designed to end the present system under which some elderly people have to sell their homes and use their life savings to pay for long-term care, while others pay nothing.
Andy Burnham, the Health Secretary, admitted that current provision was a “cruel lottery” and said he wanted to extend the principles of the National Health Service to social care to create a system which was “fair, simple and affordable” for everyone.”
And a source:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-to-end-cruel-lottery-of-elderly-care-1746480.html
I was just over there and could post so much that I would bore everyone to catatonia or death. (Bad Healthcare pun.) All you have to do is get off the bloody plane and take a bus or cab atound the area and talk to people. I saw the recent film from Canada and this is worse. Where is our vaunted media?
IlikedAUH2O on July 15, 2009 at 4:42 AM
P. S. They also had to pump far more money than ever imagined into Healthcare “for everyone”.
IlikedAUH2O on July 15, 2009 at 4:45 AM
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