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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Indian Health Service: The single-payer system experience</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/14/an-american-government-health-care-system-you-should-know/comment-page-4/#comment-2648057</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Indian Health Service: The single-payer system experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] two months ago, I wrote about the single-payer system of which most Americans have never heard: the Indian Health [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Old Country Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Country Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason that some of the foreigh health systems show any positive results (and some maybe even better than ours) is the the people of the United States are willing to pay a premium for the development of the latest tools and drugs.  The rates paid by the &quot;national health care&quot; countries will not support technical innovation or pharma development.  Dream on, you liberal idiots.  It is your own lives you are shortening just to save a few bucks.

If you want these other countries to help carry the load, then pass a fair trade law that says no drug can be sold in The United States at a price higher than the lowest price for which it will be sold abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason that some of the foreigh health systems show any positive results (and some maybe even better than ours) is the the people of the United States are willing to pay a premium for the development of the latest tools and drugs.  The rates paid by the &#8220;national health care&#8221; countries will not support technical innovation or pharma development.  Dream on, you liberal idiots.  It is your own lives you are shortening just to save a few bucks.</p>
<p>If you want these other countries to help carry the load, then pass a fair trade law that says no drug can be sold in The United States at a price higher than the lowest price for which it will be sold abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Black Sphere&#8221; Site Hacked and Attacked by Statist Thugs &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Black Sphere&#8221; Site Hacked and Attacked by Statist Thugs &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] work and A brief lesson on markets and rationing and Ramirez: The man behind health-care reform and An American government health-care system you should know and CBO: ObamaCare will cost $1T, still leaves 30 million uninsured and Statist health care, by the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rush Limbaugh: Obama on Edge as Magic Fades; DeMint Hits Nerve with &#8220;Waterloo&#8221; &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rush Limbaugh: Obama on Edge as Magic Fades; DeMint Hits Nerve with &#8220;Waterloo&#8221; &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Native American health care: NewsVine: Promises, promises: Indian Health Care Victims Hot Air: An American Government Health Care System You Should Know Indian Country Today: Trahant: The double standard of government-run health care: Indian Health [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Waterloo: ObamaCare Gauntlet Flung&#8230; Jim DeMint, Barack Obama, Charles Krauthammer, &#38; ABBA Weigh In (video) &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/14/an-american-government-health-care-system-you-should-know/comment-page-4/#comment-2461012</link>
		<dc:creator>Waterloo: ObamaCare Gauntlet Flung&#8230; Jim DeMint, Barack Obama, Charles Krauthammer, &#38; ABBA Weigh In (video) &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Promises, promises: Indian Health Care Victims Hot Air: An American Government Health Care System You Should Know Indian Country Today: Trahant: The double standard of government-run health care: Indian Health [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Audience Cracks Up When MO Rep. Carnahan Claims ObamaCare Will Save Money: &#8220;If It&#8217;s So Good, Why Doesn&#8217;t Congress Have to Be on It?&#8221; (video) &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/14/an-american-government-health-care-system-you-should-know/comment-page-4/#comment-2454596</link>
		<dc:creator>Audience Cracks Up When MO Rep. Carnahan Claims ObamaCare Will Save Money: &#8220;If It&#8217;s So Good, Why Doesn&#8217;t Congress Have to Be on It?&#8221; (video) &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] work and A brief lesson on markets and rationing and Ramirez: The man behind health-care reform and An American government health-care system you should know and CBO: ObamaCare will cost $1T, still leaves 30 million uninsured and Statist health care, by the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mags</title>
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		<dc:creator>mags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uncivilized on July 15, 2009 at 10:14 PM

lexhamfox is right to say the N.H.S is being misrepresented.

I work in it,have done for 20yrs, i don&#039;t know whether to laugh or cry when reading  some comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uncivilized on July 15, 2009 at 10:14 PM</p>
<p>lexhamfox is right to say the N.H.S is being misrepresented.</p>
<p>I work in it,have done for 20yrs, i don&#8217;t know whether to laugh or cry when reading  some comments.</p>
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		<title>By: My healthcare Plan &#171; DaTechguy&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>My healthcare Plan &#171; DaTechguy&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I know they will stink but so will anything else. Whatdaya [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Understand the right way to reform health care… with short podcasts! &#171; About Health</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/14/an-american-government-health-care-system-you-should-know/comment-page-4/#comment-2433653</link>
		<dc:creator>Understand the right way to reform health care… with short podcasts! &#171; About Health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ed Morrissey explains in this Hot Air article, the government has a track record running health care programs already, such as the Indian Health [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Understand the right way to reform health care… with short podcasts! &#187; Health blog</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/14/an-american-government-health-care-system-you-should-know/comment-page-4/#comment-2433651</link>
		<dc:creator>Understand the right way to reform health care… with short podcasts! &#187; Health blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ed Morrissey explains in this Hot Air article, the government has a track record running health care programs already, such as the Indian Health [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Mad Tea Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Tea Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Health Care Access vs. Health Care...&lt;/strong&gt;

According to SFGate.com, &quot;House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and top Democrats opened an all-fronts charge Tuesday to pass a $1 trillion, 10-year health care overhaul by August, unveiling legislation that would tax the wealthy to pay for universal coverage, ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Health Care Access vs. Health Care&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>According to SFGate.com, &#8220;House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and top Democrats opened an all-fronts charge Tuesday to pass a $1 trillion, 10-year health care overhaul by August, unveiling legislation that would tax the wealthy to pay for universal coverage, &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: cntrlfrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>cntrlfrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...there is usually little way for Indians to earn money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, this is partially true, but, like the current so-called &#039;Great Recession&#039;, this can be said of many people.  The economy is like a plate spinning circus dude, it needs a small, but constant force to keep it going, otherwise it all comes crashing down.

Outside forces speed up the crash.

So, Indians can&#039;t make money or earn money because other Indians aren&#039;t making money or earning money.

The basic explanation of economics should be taught in Kindergarten: &lt;strong&gt; A dollar is a trade for work done. Period.&lt;/strong&gt;

We will all learn soon enough if Obama keeps on this path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;there is usually little way for Indians to earn money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, this is partially true, but, like the current so-called &#8216;Great Recession&#8217;, this can be said of many people.  The economy is like a plate spinning circus dude, it needs a small, but constant force to keep it going, otherwise it all comes crashing down.</p>
<p>Outside forces speed up the crash.</p>
<p>So, Indians can&#8217;t make money or earn money because other Indians aren&#8217;t making money or earning money.</p>
<p>The basic explanation of economics should be taught in Kindergarten: <strong> A dollar is a trade for work done. Period.</strong></p>
<p>We will all learn soon enough if Obama keeps on this path.</p>
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		<title>By: Understand the right way to reform health care&#8230; with short podcasts! &#171; Wintery Knight Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Understand the right way to reform health care&#8230; with short podcasts! &#171; Wintery Knight Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ed Morrissey explains in this Hot Air article, the government has a track record running health care programs already, such as the Indian Health [...]</description>
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		<title>By: uncivilized</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncivilized</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;lexhamfox on July 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lemme guess - you&#039;re a hypochondriac, aren&#039;t you?  And since the doctors can&#039;t cure your ills - since they don&#039;t actually exist, except in your mind - they&#039;re all quacks, the health system sucks, etc.  
They sell airline tickets to England, you know.  Why not head on over there, let their Fabulous Socialized Medical System take care of you for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>lexhamfox on July 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Lemme guess &#8211; you&#8217;re a hypochondriac, aren&#8217;t you?  And since the doctors can&#8217;t cure your ills &#8211; since they don&#8217;t actually exist, except in your mind &#8211; they&#8217;re all quacks, the health system sucks, etc.<br />
They sell airline tickets to England, you know.  Why not head on over there, let their Fabulous Socialized Medical System take care of you for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: KyMouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>KyMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s late in this thread, but I&#039;ve just started reading it; at the beginning, WashJeff asked why the Indians don&#039;t just leave their reservations. A friend who is part Cherokee told me once that, in addition to inertia and an unwillingness to leave family and friends (and culture), there is usually little way for Indians to earn money.

She told me that, since reservation land belongs to the Indians by law, forever, it can&#039;t be used as collateral for bank loans that would help tribal folks open grocery stores, hardware stores, or other ways to build a nest egg. No collateral, no loans, so little or no way to earn enough money to leave and set up a new life somewhere else. &quot;So we use the land for cemeteries,&quot; she added. I don&#039;t know if she was right about all of that, but I remember her telling it to me.

One thing I heard about IHS doctors has probably made the rounds for years: a boy who broke his arm, and the doctor put the plaster directly on his skin, instead of on top of a &quot;sleeve&quot; buffer. The arm started to itch, then burn, and he went back to the doctor. The plaster had adhered directly to the skin, and the boy&#039;s arm had to be amputated.
So I heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s late in this thread, but I&#8217;ve just started reading it; at the beginning, WashJeff asked why the Indians don&#8217;t just leave their reservations. A friend who is part Cherokee told me once that, in addition to inertia and an unwillingness to leave family and friends (and culture), there is usually little way for Indians to earn money.</p>
<p>She told me that, since reservation land belongs to the Indians by law, forever, it can&#8217;t be used as collateral for bank loans that would help tribal folks open grocery stores, hardware stores, or other ways to build a nest egg. No collateral, no loans, so little or no way to earn enough money to leave and set up a new life somewhere else. &#8220;So we use the land for cemeteries,&#8221; she added. I don&#8217;t know if she was right about all of that, but I remember her telling it to me.</p>
<p>One thing I heard about IHS doctors has probably made the rounds for years: a boy who broke his arm, and the doctor put the plaster directly on his skin, instead of on top of a &#8220;sleeve&#8221; buffer. The arm started to itch, then burn, and he went back to the doctor. The plaster had adhered directly to the skin, and the boy&#8217;s arm had to be amputated.<br />
So I heard.</p>
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		<title>By: bluefox</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluefox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To All Hotair members:

Would any of you let me and others know what response you are getting when you call, fax or email the House members when you contact them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To All Hotair members:</p>
<p>Would any of you let me and others know what response you are getting when you call, fax or email the House members when you contact them?</p>
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		<title>By: cntrlfrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>cntrlfrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ted c on July 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With all due  respect, I think you are confusing &#039;living up to a promise&#039; with &#039;preventing people from running their lives into the ground.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ted c on July 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>With all due  respect, I think you are confusing &#8216;living up to a promise&#8217; with &#8216;preventing people from running their lives into the ground.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: aelhues</title>
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		<dc:creator>aelhues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t believe that the government can deliver on many of the promises that it has made in past years–this is one example of how that is true.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just out of curiosity, I&#039;d like to see what the actual promise was.  I already know that it isn&#039;t based on an alleged 1787 treaty, but some kind of promise seems to have been made.  I suspect it was similar to social security, and welfare.  Not truly a promise, but in reality a service provided, and later assumed to be a right or otherwise necessity.  If I am right, then they are failing to live up to reasonable expectations in the execution of that service.  Which is, unfortunately, expected.  Although not the same as if we have an actual treaty, or law which states that we will provide a certain, measurable, level of healthcare.

My point was that we are failing them by propping them up just enough to enable their sad existence.  I tend to be an enabler myself.  It&#039;s easy to do.  But much of the time the best most loving thing you can do is to let someone be in a situation that forces them to choose their path, and hope they choose the right one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t believe that the government can deliver on many of the promises that it has made in past years–this is one example of how that is true.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just out of curiosity, I&#8217;d like to see what the actual promise was.  I already know that it isn&#8217;t based on an alleged 1787 treaty, but some kind of promise seems to have been made.  I suspect it was similar to social security, and welfare.  Not truly a promise, but in reality a service provided, and later assumed to be a right or otherwise necessity.  If I am right, then they are failing to live up to reasonable expectations in the execution of that service.  Which is, unfortunately, expected.  Although not the same as if we have an actual treaty, or law which states that we will provide a certain, measurable, level of healthcare.</p>
<p>My point was that we are failing them by propping them up just enough to enable their sad existence.  I tend to be an enabler myself.  It&#8217;s easy to do.  But much of the time the best most loving thing you can do is to let someone be in a situation that forces them to choose their path, and hope they choose the right one.</p>
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		<title>By: 24K lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>24K lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I visit Dr. Yeagly&#039;s www.badeagle.com occasionally.  For intelligent discussion by Native Americans - he refers to himself as Indian - it&#039;s a good place to start.  He cuts his own people very little slack, and the ones posting there are not so inclined either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I visit Dr. Yeagly&#8217;s <a href="http://www.badeagle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.badeagle.com</a> occasionally.  For intelligent discussion by Native Americans &#8211; he refers to himself as Indian &#8211; it&#8217;s a good place to start.  He cuts his own people very little slack, and the ones posting there are not so inclined either.</p>
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		<title>By: ted c</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would heartily disagree with ted that we need to pump more public funding in to fix it. It is hurtful to society to be dependent&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was simply stating the obvious. I do not agree that an answer is to pump more public funding in to fix it. I stated the obvious--the government made a promise, and is failing to live up to it. I don&#039;t believe that the government can deliver on many of the promises that it has made in past years--this is one example of how that is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would heartily disagree with ted that we need to pump more public funding in to fix it. It is hurtful to society to be dependent</p></blockquote>
<p>I was simply stating the obvious. I do not agree that an answer is to pump more public funding in to fix it. I stated the obvious&#8211;the government made a promise, and is failing to live up to it. I don&#8217;t believe that the government can deliver on many of the promises that it has made in past years&#8211;this is one example of how that is true.</p>
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		<title>By: aelhues</title>
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		<dc:creator>aelhues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t disagree with the idea that the way the situation has been handled has been a tragedy.  However, like cntrlfrk, I would heartily disagree with ted that we need to pump more public funding in to fix it.  It is hurtful to society to be dependent.  People that move out and stand on their own two feet, generally succeed.  Unfortunately many fail to choose, and by default are relegated to the crappy situation to which they find themselves.  If we were to expand this to a national program, where is the opportunity to choose?  Where do we go if we aren&#039;t happy with what the government hands us?  I see that day coming, and I&#039;m fighting against it now.

&quot;Take my love, take my land; Take me where I cannot stand; I don&#039;t care, I&#039;m still free; You can&#039;t take the sky from me&quot; Firefly title song</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t disagree with the idea that the way the situation has been handled has been a tragedy.  However, like cntrlfrk, I would heartily disagree with ted that we need to pump more public funding in to fix it.  It is hurtful to society to be dependent.  People that move out and stand on their own two feet, generally succeed.  Unfortunately many fail to choose, and by default are relegated to the crappy situation to which they find themselves.  If we were to expand this to a national program, where is the opportunity to choose?  Where do we go if we aren&#8217;t happy with what the government hands us?  I see that day coming, and I&#8217;m fighting against it now.</p>
<p>&#8220;Take my love, take my land; Take me where I cannot stand; I don&#8217;t care, I&#8217;m still free; You can&#8217;t take the sky from me&#8221; Firefly title song</p>
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		<title>By: ted c</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure they are offered many opportunities--except adequate treatment for diabetes, alcoholism, neuropathy, heart disease and obesity. Outside of that, I&#039;m sure the opportunities are pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure they are offered many opportunities&#8211;except adequate treatment for diabetes, alcoholism, neuropathy, heart disease and obesity. Outside of that, I&#8217;m sure the opportunities are pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: cntrlfrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>cntrlfrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ted c on July 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would tend to disagree somewhat.

Natives are offered many opportunities, and many have risen to great stature, you can find African-American &#039;Reservations&#039; in inner city housing projects and elsewhere.

The similarities are that the government is the enabler to help several deadly sins flourish in these communities.

Growing up on an Indian Reservation, and still living near the same one, I see the effects on a regular basis.  It is like watching a miniature communist/socialist society crumble and rebuild only to crumble again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ted c on July 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>I would tend to disagree somewhat.</p>
<p>Natives are offered many opportunities, and many have risen to great stature, you can find African-American &#8216;Reservations&#8217; in inner city housing projects and elsewhere.</p>
<p>The similarities are that the government is the enabler to help several deadly sins flourish in these communities.</p>
<p>Growing up on an Indian Reservation, and still living near the same one, I see the effects on a regular basis.  It is like watching a miniature communist/socialist society crumble and rebuild only to crumble again.</p>
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		<title>By: ted c</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with the use of the IHS as a good example of poor health care, I &lt;strong&gt;fundamentally disagree with the years of silence about it up until the point it becomes a valuable political bludgeon&lt;/strong&gt;. If it is an issue to be raised now, it was an issue to be raised 5-10 or 20 years ago when the results were no different than they are today--terrible. 

The IHS for years is woefully underfunded, understaffed and the &lt;strong&gt;healthcare results are atrocious&lt;/strong&gt;. Native Americans have quietly endured for generations the slow, institutional genocide that has befallen them. It pains me to see that we have marginalized these people, relegated them to &quot;reservations&quot; and then promised them everything--health care, schools, etc. as a manner to placate the past. We have kept the Native Americans &quot;reserved&quot; and drunk for generations and then given them health care that pales in comparison to that &lt;strong&gt;given to federal prisoners&lt;/strong&gt;. The alcoholism rates, drug abuse, obesity, diabetes, heart disease rates in the native American populations are staggering--yet they get the tylenol treatment. 

For slavery, we fought the civil war. We had the civil rights movement. African Americans have risen to the presidency, congress, cabinet, generals/admirals and all other positions in business. The last remaining ingredient in that issue is --forgiveness. 

For the Native Americans-- we fought against them and won. We are still exploiting the spoils of war by slowly attriting the Native American population by willfully allowing the drunkenness to silence their voices, and the diseases to ravage their people. They are Americans and their voices ought to be heard. They ought to be louder than the Sharptons, Obamas, Rangels et al. I am listening--but what do we hear from them except silent reticence to the poor deal we&#039;ve given them. THIS is a national tragedy. Billions for UNRWA to provide HAMAS money to fight Israel, but the Native Americans get the back of the hand---truly sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with the use of the IHS as a good example of poor health care, I <strong>fundamentally disagree with the years of silence about it up until the point it becomes a valuable political bludgeon</strong>. If it is an issue to be raised now, it was an issue to be raised 5-10 or 20 years ago when the results were no different than they are today&#8211;terrible. </p>
<p>The IHS for years is woefully underfunded, understaffed and the <strong>healthcare results are atrocious</strong>. Native Americans have quietly endured for generations the slow, institutional genocide that has befallen them. It pains me to see that we have marginalized these people, relegated them to &#8220;reservations&#8221; and then promised them everything&#8211;health care, schools, etc. as a manner to placate the past. We have kept the Native Americans &#8220;reserved&#8221; and drunk for generations and then given them health care that pales in comparison to that <strong>given to federal prisoners</strong>. The alcoholism rates, drug abuse, obesity, diabetes, heart disease rates in the native American populations are staggering&#8211;yet they get the tylenol treatment. </p>
<p>For slavery, we fought the civil war. We had the civil rights movement. African Americans have risen to the presidency, congress, cabinet, generals/admirals and all other positions in business. The last remaining ingredient in that issue is &#8211;forgiveness. </p>
<p>For the Native Americans&#8211; we fought against them and won. We are still exploiting the spoils of war by slowly attriting the Native American population by willfully allowing the drunkenness to silence their voices, and the diseases to ravage their people. They are Americans and their voices ought to be heard. They ought to be louder than the Sharptons, Obamas, Rangels et al. I am listening&#8211;but what do we hear from them except silent reticence to the poor deal we&#8217;ve given them. THIS is a national tragedy. Billions for UNRWA to provide HAMAS money to fight Israel, but the Native Americans get the back of the hand&#8212;truly sad.</p>
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		<title>By: right2bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>right2bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Has anyone seen this? I am sorry to sound alrmist, but this is scary stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&amp;NR=1

IanTrouble on July 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I watched part of it...the guy has a scary voice, so you know that many nefarious things are being done...and the background has lines ominously moving about depicting confusion and subterfuge....there was even &quot;scary&quot; music, so we know when we should be alarmed.  And the voices were yelling over the announcer, very telling of bad things to come...wow, you had an hour to watch that garbage?</description>
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Has anyone seen this? I am sorry to sound alrmist, but this is scary stuff.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&amp;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&amp;NR=1</a></p>
<p>IanTrouble on July 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>I watched part of it&#8230;the guy has a scary voice, so you know that many nefarious things are being done&#8230;and the background has lines ominously moving about depicting confusion and subterfuge&#8230;.there was even &#8220;scary&#8221; music, so we know when we should be alarmed.  And the voices were yelling over the announcer, very telling of bad things to come&#8230;wow, you had an hour to watch that garbage?</p>
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